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volkangood luck again. so see u next time. i will be waiting for your email :)00:04
volkangood night00:04
ovidiu-florinI'm off to sleep Good night00:13
xnoxRiddell: ScottK: with my bufix qt4-x11 upload http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/boost1.53/ is even nicer looking =)01:40
ScottKBetter.  I thought that would fix kgraphviewer?01:44
ScottKA lot of the ones I see failed are commonly troublesome for boost transition.01:46
xnoxScottK: kgraphviewer's problem is that header got renamed.01:48
xnoxScottK: me & Riddell dig into it earlier.01:48
ScottKOK.01:48
ScottKSounds easy enough for you to fix ...01:48
ScottKSeems OK for KDE to switch then.01:48
ScottKI'd ask sweetshark before deciding for sure.01:49
xnox"should be a one liner" but one would want configury to detect which header to use and do a DEFINE..... unless there is BOOST_VERSION >= already.....01:49
xnoxnight.01:49
ScottKNight.01:49
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smartboyhwRiddell ping03:36
ScottKDo we have a list of all the source packages that make up Qt5?04:26
* ScottK started to review them, but got depressed after the first one.04:49
lordievaderGood morning06:57
soeegood morning07:09
MirvScottK: I think http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5651583/ should reflect the current Qt5 packages07:51
Mirvthere are a couple of more git snapshot modules that are not yet in archives07:52
Mirvthe order there is roughly the dependency order (we build webkit with sensors and location support)07:53
MirvScottK: and don't get depressed!07:55
MirvQt5 rocks. And regarding upstreaming all qtdeclarative and qtwebkit patches should be ongoing. The one 10 line patch in qtbase is something I've also given some shouts about to find the original author (it's not Zoltan).07:56
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kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1160771] Non-existent theme configured after upgrade @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1160771 (by Ludovic Pénet)09:28
Riddellsmartboyhw: you pung?09:56
smartboyhwRiddell, yep. What do you mean by missing ffwm? You mean in the binary dependency or the build?09:56
Riddellsmartboyhw: it's a build-dep that isn't found09:58
smartboyhwRiddell, gua?09:58
smartboyhwI thought I added libfftw3-dev09:58
smartboyhwHmm09:58
smartboyhwOr did I make a spelling mistake?09:59
Riddellsmartboyhw: oh maybe you did10:00
smartboyhw...10:00
Riddellsmartboyhw: ok my mistake, it's all good10:00
smartboyhwAnyways I will upload the fixed version from libqtmultimedia5-dev to qtmobility-dev10:00
smartboyhwRiddell, it isn't exactly *all* good:P10:00
* smartboyhw is downloading the Windows Blue Build10:01
smartboyhwTo play with it in a VM10:01
smartboyhwRiddell, so do you want me to do the fix or?10:02
Riddellsmartboyhw: just remove libqtmultimedia5-dev yes10:03
smartboyhwRiddell, just remove?10:03
smartboyhwNo need to add anything?10:03
Riddellsmartboyhw: nope, also remove debian/docs I tihnk10:04
Riddellthink10:04
smartboyhwRiddell, got cha10:04
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smartboyhwRiddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/nootka_0.8.60%7Ebeta-0ubuntu1.dsc10:13
Riddellsmartboyhw: lovely, uploading10:24
smartboyhwRiddell, \o/10:24
soeeanyone tried to  mount and use mac disc on kubuntu ?10:26
* smartboyhw doesn't have any Mac disc or whatsoever10:27
shadeslayersoee: yes10:27
shadeslayerit's mounted as read only unless you explicitly mount it as RW10:27
shadeslayer( this is for HFS+ only I think )10:28
soeeshadeslayer, how ? if i plug it i see message i cant acess it10:28
shadeslayerwriting to HFS+ partitions is experimental10:28
shadeslayersoee: sudo modprobe hfsplus10:28
shadeslayerrun that in a terminal and try again10:28
soeeshadeslayer, ok one moment ill try10:29
smartboyhwAnyone here want to run for the Ubuntu membership board?10:30
smartboyhwJust asking:P10:30
soeeshadeslayer, ok i can acces it now10:31
shadeslayerRiddell probably :p10:31
smartboyhwshadeslayer, LOL10:32
* smartboyhw is running for it (well they probably won't accept me since I'm new but :P)10:32
soeeshadeslayer, though not all direcotries i can read :)10:33
shadeslayersoee: permission issues10:34
shadeslayeryou need sudo to read / of OS X10:34
shadeslayerafaik you need sudo to read all of the disk10:35
shadeslayeranyway, gtg10:35
soeeshadeslayer, ok thank you for your help10:35
shadeslayernp10:36
smartboyhwHmm if someone can approve the plasma-mediacenter binaries in I will be grateful:)10:42
smartboyhwRiddell, it's now in NEW queue:)11:02
smartboyhwAnd since ScottK ACKed for an FFe, should I go ask the release team guys to approve?11:03
smartboyhwAnd should we add plasma-mediacenter to the Kubuntu seeds? (Just asking:P)11:05
Riddellsmartboyhw: plasma-mediacenter I'm thinking more for kubuntu active11:09
smartboyhwRiddell, oh OK:)11:09
Riddellsmartboyhw: I'll take a look at nookita in new11:09
smartboyhwXD11:09
smartboyhwgood:)11:09
Riddellsmartboyhw: feel free to add to kubuntu active seed, tech preview et all needs no feature freeze11:09
smartboyhwRiddell, OK:)11:10
* smartboyhw needs to learn how to add nootka to the seeds11:10
Riddelllp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active.raring11:11
smartboyhwRiddell, bah I branched the wrong branch (LOL)11:12
Riddellsmartboyhw: actually wait11:13
smartboyhw!11:13
Riddellsmartboyhw: I gave you the wrong one, it's part of the main seed collection now11:14
smartboyhwEh11:14
Riddelllp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring11:14
* smartboyhw feels being faked11:14
smartboyhwRiddell, active-ship or active ? Live or not live? Depends or recommends?11:15
smartboyhwFor nootka I mean:P11:15
Riddellsmartboyhw: active11:15
smartboyhwOK11:15
smartboyhwRiddell, actually for plasma-mediacenter I mean (damn)11:17
Riddellyes, add it to active11:17
Riddellas a recommends11:17
* smartboyhw puts it under == kdemultimedia ==11:18
smartboyhwOr somewhere else?11:18
smartboyhwRiddell, ^11:19
smartboyhwAnd BTW: We have a Kubuntu catchup on 4th April 2013 17:00 UTC with the Ubuntu Community Council11:24
Riddellsmartboyhw: under multimedia is fine11:36
Riddellsmartboyhw: then it needs a meta package update if you know how to do that11:36
Riddellhmm, that kubuntu catchup slightly clashes for me with the clocks changing, oh well I'll have to squeeze it in11:38
Riddellor maybe I can work out how to do irc from this n911:38
ovidiu-florinhello world :D11:46
Riddellhi ovidiu-florin 11:47
ovidiu-florinsince monday every morning I find my computer frozen. This is my work computer and this one usualy is not turned off except for hollydays.11:47
ovidiu-florinwhat logs should I check?11:47
lordievaderovidiu-florin: Syslog would be a good place to start, I'd say.11:48
ovidiu-florinsince I'm not really that much of an expert can I show it to you guys?11:49
Tm_Thmmm11:50
* Tm_T is wondering if this would be more suitable to support channel11:50
lordievaderAgreed, Tm_T 11:50
ovidiu-florinok, I'll ask there11:50
smartboyhwRiddell, teach me11:54
smartboyhwWell this will be a correct step for me to become kubuntu-dev11:54
smartboyhwRiddell, https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring-plasma-mediacenter-addition/+merge/15571211:58
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soeeRSIBbrake maks plasma crash from time to time12:00
soeeusing different window decoration than Oxygen maks it work smoother... :)12:03
smartboyhwScottK, well Riddell told me to add it into the active seed12:06
smartboyhwIf it is we can easily add it to the desktop one:)12:06
Quintasanwell12:09
Quintasanyofel: that was really quick now12:09
smartboyhwQuintasan, well what?:P12:09
Quintasanno timeouts at backlog fetching12:10
QuintasanSplendid.12:10
smartboyhwWeird12:17
smartboyhwI uploaded the nootka uploaded-build to my PPA for building and getting it uploaded by Riddell 12:17
smartboyhwThe i386 was already built 1 hour ago12:17
smartboyhwamd64 is still waiting for the queue12:17
smartboyhwEstimated time: 6 hours12:17
smartboyhw....12:17
QuintasanUhh12:19
QuintasanWhich part of that is weird?12:19
QuintasanWe are nearing release which means builders will be more busy12:19
smartboyhwQuintasan, the weird part is i386 and amd64 can have a 8 hour difference12:20
smartboyhwProbably unweird12:20
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smartboyhwBut just feeling strange12:20
QuintasanNothing weird were12:20
QuintasanYou sometimes get two weeks queue12:20
Quintasanpython rebuilds,12:20
Quintasan*shudder*12:20
smartboyhwWow12:20
smartboyhwNever got that before:P12:20
Quintasansmartboyhw: You know I'm going to reject that merge for pmc being added to active seed?12:21
smartboyhwQuintasan, Ok pleasedo12:21
smartboyhwif you want to12:21
Quintasanwell, maybe Riddell has something to say to make me agree12:22
Quintasannot sure if I'm even in position to protest much12:22
Quintasansmartboyhw: re your nootka packaging, those are not really stupid mistakes, it just happens12:24
smartboyhwQuintasan, it sometimes is stupid12:24
smartboyhwAnd anyway I always call myself stupid12:24
smartboyhwLOL12:24
QuintasanWell, I'm not really convinced not knowing there is runtime dep without any notice is stupid12:25
QuintasanIt's stupid when you push packaging with sid as target release into branch :P12:25
smartboyhwLOL12:27
smartboyhwQuintasan, no the most stupidest thing is to put Maverick as target release (LOL)12:28
QuintasanQuintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652144/12:43
ScottKRiddell: How is mediacenter part of active?  I thought it was it's own separate thing?12:49
ScottKMirv: I looked at qt3d-opensource-src and only half the patches in there are even mentioned in changelog and one of them that is, looks to me like it's papering over a bigger problem rather than being a proper fix.12:51
ScottKsmartboyhw: for the record, I'm on the release team, so when I approve an FFe (or Riddell) it's approved.  You've already talked to the release team.12:52
smartboyhwScottK, sorry:P13:00
ScottKno problem.13:00
BluesKajHiyas all13:05
smartboyhwHello BluesKaj 13:05
BluesKajhi smartboyhw13:05
smartboyhwHmm when will https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users reach 2013 active members?13:08
smartboyhwLOL13:09
MirvScottK: yes, the unreleased git snapshot modules that upstream doesn't support are offered just as a preview13:13
ScottKMirv: That doesn't mean that patches should be undocumented and incorrect.13:14
ScottKOnce a package is in the archive, "preview" doesn't mean anything.13:14
MirvScottK: sure, they should be mentioned in the changelog in addition to bzr commit logs13:14
ScottKPlus there should be some status on upstreaming.13:15
ScottKThe one about using system zlib is a local hack now, but it could be generalized in such a way as to be upstreamable.13:15
MirvI'll mark down an item to see if I could upstream the zlib fixes. upstream seems to be generally happy to merge all fixes regarding these modules no-one is paid to develop.13:24
popeyScottK: /join #ubuntu-release13:24
popeybah!13:24
* popey tries that again13:24
smartboyhwLOL13:25
Mirvqtsensors is most likely going to be part of Qt 5.1. qtlocation more unsure, and qt3d has been mentioned to be in a need of a rewrite...13:27
Mirvqt3d wouldn't have been needed in the archives if qtlocation wouldn't depend on it, but now it's there13:28
MirvI'll keep qtconnectivity, qtpim, qtfeedback and qtsystems in PPAs only until there is some more clarity into future of those13:28
ScottKMirv: What's your opinion on the ABI question for appmenu support?13:41
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Riddellquietly the dates for UDS get released by adding them to the release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SReleaseSchedule13:56
Riddellone week later than expected13:56
RiddellMay 14,15th13:56
lordievaderOhh S release schedule :D13:56
lordievaderWhen will Mark announce the code-name of 13.10?13:57
yofelin about 3 weeks usually13:57
smartboyhwXD13:58
smartboyhwRiddell, what's your judgment on the plasma-mediacenter -> active thing?13:59
smartboyhwQuintasan and ScottK are mystified13:59
shadeslayerI don't think it's a good idea to add it to the active seed13:59
* ScottK decides Riddell and shadeslayer should duke it out.13:59
lordievader3 weeks after the release of Raring, yofel? 13:59
yofellordievader: no, he'll do it before S toolchan is up - otherwise people can't work14:00
shadeslayerheh14:00
shadeslayerPMC is a completely different platform, IMHO it doesn't make sense to have it alongside active14:00
shadeslayerbut I won't argue if Riddell veto's to have it on the image14:01
Riddellshadeslayer: what use case do you see for PMC?14:02
Riddellno need to duke it out, asking upstream for a recommendation would be the best way to go14:02
shadeslayerRiddell: more or less on a Raspberry Pi or a Mac mini14:02
shadeslayerand connected to your TV14:02
Riddellshadeslayer: why not on a tablet?14:03
shadeslayerthen what's PA for?14:03
Riddellshadeslayer: PMC isn't a complete shell14:03
Riddellyou don't log into it as far as I've seen14:04
Riddellyou just run it from whatever workspace you're running, active or desktop or whatever14:04
shadeslayerhm14:04
shadeslayeris there a icon you can click/tap that launches it?14:04
shadeslayer( I haven't tried it out, so I have no idea )14:05
Riddellyep /usr/share/applications/kde4/plasma-mediacenter.desktop14:05
RiddellI can't even work out how to run it full screen14:05
shadeslayerdoes PA have anything usefull for playing media?14:06
MirvScottK: I don't see problems as long as eventually bug #1157213 is fixed/implemented and submitted upstream to replace the forward-port14:06
ubottubug 1157213 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Port appmenu support to Qt5 QPA" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115721314:07
ScottKWhat's to implement in Qt5?14:07
ScottKMy question isn't do we care if it's an ABI break, but is it an ABI break?14:07
Mirvthe appmenu support in QPA similar to mac os x instead of the old way. I haven't seen the new "combined appmenu" from sil2100 that adds Qt5 support to appmenu source instead of separate appmenu-qt5 source, but there shouldn't be anything changed for Qt4 users or the appmenu-qt4 parts.14:10
ScottKI think you still miss my point.14:14
ScottKQt5 is supposed to be ABI stable through it's life.14:14
ScottKIf we add distro specific ABI, then if we remove it, we've broken ABI in Qt5.14:15
ScottKNothing to do with how that ABI is used.14:15
MirvI thought I was missing it as well. A good question, even though appmenu would be the only user of it.14:15
Riddellshadeslayer, Quintasan, smartboyhw: 14:13 < sebas> for now, I'd say touch-friendly mediaplayer app14:16
ScottKFrom a Qt5 perspective, it doesn't matter who we think uses it.14:16
smartboyhwWell well:P14:16
Riddellshadeslayer, Quintasan, smartboyhw: it is on the mer active images, so that is the place for it to go14:17
Riddellshadeslayer, Quintasan, smartboyhw: a full shell from it is a job for later14:17
ScottKGo for it then.14:17
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, I guess since PA doesn't have something touch friendly for playing media14:17
MirvScottK: according to sil2100 and looking at the patch it only changes internal headers14:31
QuintasanRiddell: I see, I have nothing against then14:37
ScottKMirv: How about this: I approve the FFe on the condition it gets reverted out of Qt5 as soon as "S" opens for development and "S" users will just have to eat the regression until a proper port of appmenu and libdbusmenu is done.14:40
MirvScottK: sounds good to me14:41
ScottKMirv: I'll lay out something in the bug that makes sense to me.14:44
Mirvok14:49
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kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1119656] plot-qt demo fails to build with Boost 1.53 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1119656 (by Garth Wells)15:06
Riddellsmartboyhw: merged the seed change, do you want to update the meta (or I can)15:36
Riddell?15:37
smartboyhwRiddell, how to?:P15:40
Riddellsmartboyhw: apt-get source kubuntu-meta15:40
Riddellinside the packgage run   ./update  15:41
Riddelldebuild -S15:41
Riddelland give it to me15:41
Riddellsmartboyhw: nootka rejected I'm afraid, the stuff in src/sound/tartini is GPL 2 and has a different copyright holder15:43
smartboyhwDAMN15:43
RiddellRtMidi.cpp has a diffrerent licence too15:43
smartboyhwI thought I looked into everywhere15:43
RiddellI'm also not sure about the licence for fonts/*15:44
smartboyhwRiddell, I might not be able to do nootka then15:44
Riddellmurthy: fancy taking over?⇈15:44
smartboyhwRiddell, just go to https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa and when you see a package called kubuntu-meta, please dget -x the .dsc file and upload, I need to sleep (NOW)15:53
MamarokOK, I have a weird bug since yesterday: after a while the mous and keyboard become totally unresponsive, only the mouse pointer can be moved16:00
MamarokI check all hardware side settings, conections, changed mous, keyboard, no avail16:01
Mamarokit happens when the power savings start16:01
Mamarokthe screen comes back from dimming but I totally loose the keyboard and mouse buttons in X16:01
Mamarokdoesn't happen if I disable all power savings but the screen engery saving16:02
Mamarokthis behavior started yesterday16:02
yofelplease check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when that happens - or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old after a reboot16:02
Mamarokyofel: I see nothing in particular, but you might: http://paste.kde.org/710612/16:05
Mamarokexcept for this: vdev: Microsoft Microsoft® Nano Transceiver v1.0: ignoring absolute axes.16:07
Mamarokwhich is the m ouse16:07
yofelthat log looks fine. Is every window frozen?16:07
Mamarokwell, both keyboards laptop and external are unresonsive in X, the mouse pointer moves, but that's it16:08
yofel(the only time I saw full UI freezes was with nouveau GPU hangups. But that showed in the log)16:08
Mamarokand I don't have Nvidia, just plain Intel16:08
Mamarokand that damn device notifier keeps poping up every single minute, I hate it16:09
Mamarokhow can I disable it?16:09
MamarokI set it to hidden in the systray, didn't help16:09
Mamarokbut that started several days ago16:09
lordievaderMamarok: Perhaps the pm-powersave log can tell you something.16:09
Mamarokwhere is that, in the logs16:09
lordievader/var/log/pm-powersave.log16:10
lordievaderbbl16:10
Mamarokyofel: http://paste.kde.org/710618/16:11
Mamarokhow can I disable the device notifier, it is driving me totally mad16:16
yofelremoving the checkbox in the system tray settings might work16:18
Mamaroksilly me, I didn't think of that16:19
Riddellyofel: I see user-manager didn't get into the seeds, should be replace userconfig?16:19
yofelRiddell: hm, do we have a fully usable version of user-manager? With pykde "fixed" does at least work16:26
yofel*userconfig does at least work16:26
Riddellyofel: it works, did we have a non-usable version ever?16:28
yofelI don't think it was broken, more like something was missing (IIRC)16:29
yofelbut I forgot what that was16:29
Riddellkubuntu-devel-2013-02-13.txt:[16:15] <afiestas> I only have to implement "change password" and user-manager should be feature completed16:30
Riddell[16:15] <afiestas> aah, that and changing the "face" (avatar)16:31
yofelI don't see a way to manage groups16:31
Riddellno there doesn't seem to be a way for that16:32
Riddelland userconfig does work now indeed so stay with that for beta 216:34
yofel-1 from me for 13.04 in general if we don't get group management. It's on a good way, but that's too big of a regression16:35
Riddellagateau: e-mail random du jour, comment ca va ma francis? http://paste.kde.org/710624/16:39
agateauRiddell: not so bad, could use a few changes, hold on16:41
Riddellagateau: don't worry too much as long as it's understandable :)16:42
agateauRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/710630/16:42
agateauRiddell: yeah, maybe it's not a good idea to sound too fluent, you may end up doing french support :)16:43
Riddellagateau: formidable :)16:51
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