[00:04] <volkan> good luck again. so see u next time. i will be waiting for your email :)
[00:04] <volkan> good night
[00:13] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to sleep Good night
[01:40] <xnox> Riddell: ScottK: with my bufix qt4-x11 upload http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/boost1.53/ is even nicer looking =)
[01:44] <ScottK> Better.  I thought that would fix kgraphviewer?
[01:46] <ScottK> A lot of the ones I see failed are commonly troublesome for boost transition.
[01:48] <xnox> ScottK: kgraphviewer's problem is that header got renamed.
[01:48] <xnox> ScottK: me & Riddell dig into it earlier.
[01:48] <ScottK> OK.
[01:48] <ScottK> Sounds easy enough for you to fix ...
[01:48] <ScottK> Seems OK for KDE to switch then.
[01:49] <ScottK> I'd ask sweetshark before deciding for sure.
[01:49] <xnox> "should be a one liner" but one would want configury to detect which header to use and do a DEFINE..... unless there is BOOST_VERSION >= already.....
[01:49] <xnox> night.
[01:49] <ScottK> Night.
[03:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell ping
[04:26] <ScottK> Do we have a list of all the source packages that make up Qt5?
[04:49]  * ScottK started to review them, but got depressed after the first one.
[06:57] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:09] <soee> good morning
[07:51] <Mirv> ScottK: I think http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5651583/ should reflect the current Qt5 packages
[07:52] <Mirv> there are a couple of more git snapshot modules that are not yet in archives
[07:53] <Mirv> the order there is roughly the dependency order (we build webkit with sensors and location support)
[07:55] <Mirv> ScottK: and don't get depressed!
[07:56] <Mirv> Qt5 rocks. And regarding upstreaming all qtdeclarative and qtwebkit patches should be ongoing. The one 10 line patch in qtbase is something I've also given some shouts about to find the original author (it's not Zoltan).
[09:28] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1160771] Non-existent theme configured after upgrade @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1160771 (by Ludovic Pénet)
[09:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you pung?
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep. What do you mean by missing ffwm? You mean in the binary dependency or the build?
[09:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it's a build-dep that isn't found
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, gua?
[09:58] <smartboyhw> I thought I added libfftw3-dev
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Or did I make a spelling mistake?
[10:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh maybe you did
[10:00] <smartboyhw> ...
[10:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ok my mistake, it's all good
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Anyways I will upload the fixed version from libqtmultimedia5-dev to qtmobility-dev
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it isn't exactly *all* good:P
[10:01]  * smartboyhw is downloading the Windows Blue Build
[10:01] <smartboyhw> To play with it in a VM
[10:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so do you want me to do the fix or?
[10:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just remove libqtmultimedia5-dev yes
[10:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just remove?
[10:03] <smartboyhw> No need to add anything?
[10:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nope, also remove debian/docs I tihnk
[10:04] <Riddell> think
[10:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, got cha
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/nootka_0.8.60%7Ebeta-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: lovely, uploading
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, \o/
[10:26] <soee> anyone tried to  mount and use mac disc on kubuntu ?
[10:27]  * smartboyhw doesn't have any Mac disc or whatsoever
[10:27] <shadeslayer> soee: yes
[10:27] <shadeslayer> it's mounted as read only unless you explicitly mount it as RW
[10:28] <shadeslayer> ( this is for HFS+ only I think )
[10:28] <soee> shadeslayer, how ? if i plug it i see message i cant acess it
[10:28] <shadeslayer> writing to HFS+ partitions is experimental
[10:28] <shadeslayer> soee: sudo modprobe hfsplus
[10:28] <shadeslayer> run that in a terminal and try again
[10:29] <soee> shadeslayer, ok one moment ill try
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Anyone here want to run for the Ubuntu membership board?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Just asking:P
[10:31] <soee> shadeslayer, ok i can acces it now
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell probably :p
[10:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[10:32]  * smartboyhw is running for it (well they probably won't accept me since I'm new but :P)
[10:33] <soee> shadeslayer, though not all direcotries i can read :)
[10:34] <shadeslayer> soee: permission issues
[10:34] <shadeslayer> you need sudo to read / of OS X
[10:35] <shadeslayer> afaik you need sudo to read all of the disk
[10:35] <shadeslayer> anyway, gtg
[10:35] <soee> shadeslayer, ok thank you for your help
[10:36] <shadeslayer> np
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Hmm if someone can approve the plasma-mediacenter binaries in I will be grateful:)
[11:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it's now in NEW queue:)
[11:03] <smartboyhw> And since ScottK ACKed for an FFe, should I go ask the release team guys to approve?
[11:05] <smartboyhw> And should we add plasma-mediacenter to the Kubuntu seeds? (Just asking:P)
[11:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: plasma-mediacenter I'm thinking more for kubuntu active
[11:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh OK:)
[11:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I'll take a look at nookita in new
[11:09] <smartboyhw> XD
[11:09] <smartboyhw> good:)
[11:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: feel free to add to kubuntu active seed, tech preview et all needs no feature freeze
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK:)
[11:10]  * smartboyhw needs to learn how to add nootka to the seeds
[11:11] <Riddell> lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active.raring
[11:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, bah I branched the wrong branch (LOL)
[11:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: actually wait
[11:13] <smartboyhw> !
[11:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I gave you the wrong one, it's part of the main seed collection now
[11:14] <smartboyhw> Eh
[11:14] <Riddell> lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring
[11:14]  * smartboyhw feels being faked
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, active-ship or active ? Live or not live? Depends or recommends?
[11:15] <smartboyhw> For nootka I mean:P
[11:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: active
[11:15] <smartboyhw> OK
[11:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, actually for plasma-mediacenter I mean (damn)
[11:17] <Riddell> yes, add it to active
[11:17] <Riddell> as a recommends
[11:18]  * smartboyhw puts it under == kdemultimedia ==
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Or somewhere else?
[11:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[11:24] <smartboyhw> And BTW: We have a Kubuntu catchup on 4th April 2013 17:00 UTC with the Ubuntu Community Council
[11:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: under multimedia is fine
[11:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: then it needs a meta package update if you know how to do that
[11:38] <Riddell> hmm, that kubuntu catchup slightly clashes for me with the clocks changing, oh well I'll have to squeeze it in
[11:38] <Riddell> or maybe I can work out how to do irc from this n9
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[11:47] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin 
[11:47] <ovidiu-florin> since monday every morning I find my computer frozen. This is my work computer and this one usualy is not turned off except for hollydays.
[11:47] <ovidiu-florin> what logs should I check?
[11:48] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Syslog would be a good place to start, I'd say.
[11:49] <ovidiu-florin> since I'm not really that much of an expert can I show it to you guys?
[11:50] <Tm_T> hmmm
[11:50]  * Tm_T is wondering if this would be more suitable to support channel
[11:50] <lordievader> Agreed, Tm_T 
[11:50] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll ask there
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, teach me
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Well this will be a correct step for me to become kubuntu-dev
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring-plasma-mediacenter-addition/+merge/155712
[12:00] <soee> RSIBbrake maks plasma crash from time to time
[12:03] <soee> using different window decoration than Oxygen maks it work smoother... :)
[12:06] <smartboyhw> ScottK, well Riddell told me to add it into the active seed
[12:06] <smartboyhw> If it is we can easily add it to the desktop one:)
[12:09] <Quintasan> well
[12:09] <Quintasan> yofel: that was really quick now
[12:09] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, well what?:P
[12:10] <Quintasan> no timeouts at backlog fetching
[12:10] <Quintasan> Splendid.
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Weird
[12:17] <smartboyhw> I uploaded the nootka uploaded-build to my PPA for building and getting it uploaded by Riddell 
[12:17] <smartboyhw> The i386 was already built 1 hour ago
[12:17] <smartboyhw> amd64 is still waiting for the queue
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Estimated time: 6 hours
[12:17] <smartboyhw> ....
[12:19] <Quintasan> Uhh
[12:19] <Quintasan> Which part of that is weird?
[12:19] <Quintasan> We are nearing release which means builders will be more busy
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, the weird part is i386 and amd64 can have a 8 hour difference
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Probably unweird
[12:20] <smartboyhw> But just feeling strange
[12:20] <Quintasan> Nothing weird were
[12:20] <Quintasan> You sometimes get two weeks queue
[12:20] <Quintasan> python rebuilds,
[12:20] <Quintasan> *shudder*
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Wow
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Never got that before:P
[12:21] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: You know I'm going to reject that merge for pmc being added to active seed?
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, Ok pleasedo
[12:21] <smartboyhw> if you want to
[12:22] <Quintasan> well, maybe Riddell has something to say to make me agree
[12:22] <Quintasan> not sure if I'm even in position to protest much
[12:24] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: re your nootka packaging, those are not really stupid mistakes, it just happens
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, it sometimes is stupid
[12:24] <smartboyhw> And anyway I always call myself stupid
[12:24] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:25] <Quintasan> Well, I'm not really convinced not knowing there is runtime dep without any notice is stupid
[12:25] <Quintasan> It's stupid when you push packaging with sid as target release into branch :P
[12:27] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, no the most stupidest thing is to put Maverick as target release (LOL)
[12:43] <Quintasan> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652144/
[12:49] <ScottK> Riddell: How is mediacenter part of active?  I thought it was it's own separate thing?
[12:51] <ScottK> Mirv: I looked at qt3d-opensource-src and only half the patches in there are even mentioned in changelog and one of them that is, looks to me like it's papering over a bigger problem rather than being a proper fix.
[12:52] <ScottK> smartboyhw: for the record, I'm on the release team, so when I approve an FFe (or Riddell) it's approved.  You've already talked to the release team.
[13:00] <smartboyhw> ScottK, sorry:P
[13:00] <ScottK> no problem.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Hello BluesKaj 
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Hmm when will https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users reach 2013 active members?
[13:09] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:13] <Mirv> ScottK: yes, the unreleased git snapshot modules that upstream doesn't support are offered just as a preview
[13:14] <ScottK> Mirv: That doesn't mean that patches should be undocumented and incorrect.
[13:14] <ScottK> Once a package is in the archive, "preview" doesn't mean anything.
[13:14] <Mirv> ScottK: sure, they should be mentioned in the changelog in addition to bzr commit logs
[13:15] <ScottK> Plus there should be some status on upstreaming.
[13:15] <ScottK> The one about using system zlib is a local hack now, but it could be generalized in such a way as to be upstreamable.
[13:24] <Mirv> I'll mark down an item to see if I could upstream the zlib fixes. upstream seems to be generally happy to merge all fixes regarding these modules no-one is paid to develop.
[13:24] <popey> ScottK: /join #ubuntu-release
[13:24] <popey> bah!
[13:24]  * popey tries that again
[13:25] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:27] <Mirv> qtsensors is most likely going to be part of Qt 5.1. qtlocation more unsure, and qt3d has been mentioned to be in a need of a rewrite...
[13:28] <Mirv> qt3d wouldn't have been needed in the archives if qtlocation wouldn't depend on it, but now it's there
[13:28] <Mirv> I'll keep qtconnectivity, qtpim, qtfeedback and qtsystems in PPAs only until there is some more clarity into future of those
[13:41] <ScottK> Mirv: What's your opinion on the ABI question for appmenu support?
[13:56] <Riddell> quietly the dates for UDS get released by adding them to the release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SReleaseSchedule
[13:56] <Riddell> one week later than expected
[13:56] <Riddell> May 14,15th
[13:56] <lordievader> Ohh S release schedule :D
[13:57] <lordievader> When will Mark announce the code-name of 13.10?
[13:57] <yofel> in about 3 weeks usually
[13:58] <smartboyhw> XD
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what's your judgment on the plasma-mediacenter -> active thing?
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Quintasan and ScottK are mystified
[13:59] <shadeslayer> I don't think it's a good idea to add it to the active seed
[13:59]  * ScottK decides Riddell and shadeslayer should duke it out.
[13:59] <lordievader> 3 weeks after the release of Raring, yofel? 
[14:00] <yofel> lordievader: no, he'll do it before S toolchan is up - otherwise people can't work
[14:00] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:00] <shadeslayer> PMC is a completely different platform, IMHO it doesn't make sense to have it alongside active
[14:01] <shadeslayer> but I won't argue if Riddell veto's to have it on the image
[14:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what use case do you see for PMC?
[14:02] <Riddell> no need to duke it out, asking upstream for a recommendation would be the best way to go
[14:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: more or less on a Raspberry Pi or a Mac mini
[14:02] <shadeslayer> and connected to your TV
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why not on a tablet?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> then what's PA for?
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: PMC isn't a complete shell
[14:04] <Riddell> you don't log into it as far as I've seen
[14:04] <Riddell> you just run it from whatever workspace you're running, active or desktop or whatever
[14:04] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:04] <shadeslayer> is there a icon you can click/tap that launches it?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> ( I haven't tried it out, so I have no idea )
[14:05] <Riddell> yep /usr/share/applications/kde4/plasma-mediacenter.desktop
[14:05] <Riddell> I can't even work out how to run it full screen
[14:06] <shadeslayer> does PA have anything usefull for playing media?
[14:06] <Mirv> ScottK: I don't see problems as long as eventually bug #1157213 is fixed/implemented and submitted upstream to replace the forward-port
[14:07] <ScottK> What's to implement in Qt5?
[14:07] <ScottK> My question isn't do we care if it's an ABI break, but is it an ABI break?
[14:10] <Mirv> the appmenu support in QPA similar to mac os x instead of the old way. I haven't seen the new "combined appmenu" from sil2100 that adds Qt5 support to appmenu source instead of separate appmenu-qt5 source, but there shouldn't be anything changed for Qt4 users or the appmenu-qt4 parts.
[14:14] <ScottK> I think you still miss my point.
[14:14] <ScottK> Qt5 is supposed to be ABI stable through it's life.
[14:15] <ScottK> If we add distro specific ABI, then if we remove it, we've broken ABI in Qt5.
[14:15] <ScottK> Nothing to do with how that ABI is used.
[14:15] <Mirv> I thought I was missing it as well. A good question, even though appmenu would be the only user of it.
[14:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan, smartboyhw: 14:13 < sebas> for now, I'd say touch-friendly mediaplayer app
[14:16] <ScottK> From a Qt5 perspective, it doesn't matter who we think uses it.
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Well well:P
[14:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan, smartboyhw: it is on the mer active images, so that is the place for it to go
[14:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan, smartboyhw: a full shell from it is a job for later
[14:17] <ScottK> Go for it then.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, I guess since PA doesn't have something touch friendly for playing media
[14:31] <Mirv> ScottK: according to sil2100 and looking at the patch it only changes internal headers
[14:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: I see, I have nothing against then
[14:40] <ScottK> Mirv: How about this: I approve the FFe on the condition it gets reverted out of Qt5 as soon as "S" opens for development and "S" users will just have to eat the regression until a proper port of appmenu and libdbusmenu is done.
[14:41] <Mirv> ScottK: sounds good to me
[14:44] <ScottK> Mirv: I'll lay out something in the bug that makes sense to me.
[14:49] <Mirv> ok
[14:49]  * Mirv -> shopping
[15:06] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1119656] plot-qt demo fails to build with Boost 1.53 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1119656 (by Garth Wells)
[15:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: merged the seed change, do you want to update the meta (or I can)
[15:37] <Riddell> ?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to?:P
[15:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: apt-get source kubuntu-meta
[15:41] <Riddell> inside the packgage run   ./update  
[15:41] <Riddell> debuild -S
[15:41] <Riddell> and give it to me
[15:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nootka rejected I'm afraid, the stuff in src/sound/tartini is GPL 2 and has a different copyright holder
[15:43] <smartboyhw> DAMN
[15:43] <Riddell> RtMidi.cpp has a diffrerent licence too
[15:43] <smartboyhw> I thought I looked into everywhere
[15:44] <Riddell> I'm also not sure about the licence for fonts/*
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I might not be able to do nootka then
[15:44] <Riddell> murthy: fancy taking over?⇈
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just go to https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa and when you see a package called kubuntu-meta, please dget -x the .dsc file and upload, I need to sleep (NOW)
[16:00] <Mamarok> OK, I have a weird bug since yesterday: after a while the mous and keyboard become totally unresponsive, only the mouse pointer can be moved
[16:01] <Mamarok> I check all hardware side settings, conections, changed mous, keyboard, no avail
[16:01] <Mamarok> it happens when the power savings start
[16:01] <Mamarok> the screen comes back from dimming but I totally loose the keyboard and mouse buttons in X
[16:02] <Mamarok> doesn't happen if I disable all power savings but the screen engery saving
[16:02] <Mamarok> this behavior started yesterday
[16:02] <yofel> please check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when that happens - or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old after a reboot
[16:05] <Mamarok> yofel: I see nothing in particular, but you might: http://paste.kde.org/710612/
[16:07] <Mamarok> except for this: vdev: Microsoft Microsoft® Nano Transceiver v1.0: ignoring absolute axes.
[16:07] <Mamarok> which is the m ouse
[16:07] <yofel> that log looks fine. Is every window frozen?
[16:08] <Mamarok> well, both keyboards laptop and external are unresonsive in X, the mouse pointer moves, but that's it
[16:08] <yofel> (the only time I saw full UI freezes was with nouveau GPU hangups. But that showed in the log)
[16:08] <Mamarok> and I don't have Nvidia, just plain Intel
[16:09] <Mamarok> and that damn device notifier keeps poping up every single minute, I hate it
[16:09] <Mamarok> how can I disable it?
[16:09] <Mamarok> I set it to hidden in the systray, didn't help
[16:09] <Mamarok> but that started several days ago
[16:09] <lordievader> Mamarok: Perhaps the pm-powersave log can tell you something.
[16:09] <Mamarok> where is that, in the logs
[16:10] <lordievader> /var/log/pm-powersave.log
[16:10] <lordievader> bbl
[16:11] <Mamarok> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/710618/
[16:16] <Mamarok> how can I disable the device notifier, it is driving me totally mad
[16:18] <yofel> removing the checkbox in the system tray settings might work
[16:19] <Mamarok> silly me, I didn't think of that
[16:19] <Riddell> yofel: I see user-manager didn't get into the seeds, should be replace userconfig?
[16:26] <yofel> Riddell: hm, do we have a fully usable version of user-manager? With pykde "fixed" does at least work
[16:26] <yofel> *userconfig does at least work
[16:28] <Riddell> yofel: it works, did we have a non-usable version ever?
[16:29] <yofel> I don't think it was broken, more like something was missing (IIRC)
[16:29] <yofel> but I forgot what that was
[16:30] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel-2013-02-13.txt:[16:15] <afiestas> I only have to implement "change password" and user-manager should be feature completed
[16:31] <Riddell> [16:15] <afiestas> aah, that and changing the "face" (avatar)
[16:31] <yofel> I don't see a way to manage groups
[16:32] <Riddell> no there doesn't seem to be a way for that
[16:34] <Riddell> and userconfig does work now indeed so stay with that for beta 2
[16:35] <yofel> -1 from me for 13.04 in general if we don't get group management. It's on a good way, but that's too big of a regression
[16:39] <Riddell> agateau: e-mail random du jour, comment ca va ma francis? http://paste.kde.org/710624/
[16:41] <agateau> Riddell: not so bad, could use a few changes, hold on
[16:42] <Riddell> agateau: don't worry too much as long as it's understandable :)
[16:42] <agateau> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/710630/
[16:43] <agateau> Riddell: yeah, maybe it's not a good idea to sound too fluent, you may end up doing french support :)
[16:51] <Riddell> agateau: formidable :)