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| xnox | ScottK: doko: I don't see a reason for that, either. Mind sharing your train of thought here? | 01:33 |
| * ScottK didn't either. | 01:34 | |
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| TheMuso | @pilot out | 03:59 |
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| DigvijayUbuntu | Hello people | 05:17 |
| DigvijayUbuntu | I needed help understanding how the ubuntu-software-center code is layout | 05:17 |
| DigvijayUbuntu | any pointers on where i can start? | 05:17 |
| sarnold | DigvijayUbuntu: I really love ctags, id-utils, and cscope | 05:19 |
| DigvijayUbuntu | sarnold: i am a bit confused | 05:19 |
| DigvijayUbuntu | so you can help me? | 05:19 |
| sarnold | DigvijayUbuntu: I can try :) hehe | 05:19 |
| DigvijayUbuntu | ok greate =) | 05:20 |
| DigvijayUbuntu | wait lemme pm u | 05:20 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:00 |
| tvoss | pitti, good morning :) | 06:08 |
| vibhav | guten morgen | 06:08 |
| tvoss | guten morgen :) | 06:15 |
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| KeithW | Hello folks. We just released mosh 1.2.4 and uploaded 1.2.4-1 to Debian. What is the appropriate way to respectfully request a sync to Ubuntu raring (universe) and a FFe to make the release? | 06:41 |
| infinity | KeithW: Point me at a 1.2.3 -> 1.2.4 changelog? | 06:58 |
| KeithW | infinity: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/mosh-devel/2013-March/000447.html | 06:58 |
| infinity | KeithW: Looks good to me, syncing. | 06:59 |
| infinity | Or... I would if LP knew about the version in unstable yet. :P | 06:59 |
| infinity | I'll sync when it does. | 07:00 |
| infinity | KeithW: FWIW, I would have called the mm:ss disconnect display a bugfix, not a feature. Being offline for eighty bazillion seconds has always annoyed me. :P | 07:00 |
| KeithW | :-) | 07:01 |
| KeithW | Thanks much! | 07:01 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:33 |
| dholbach | can somebody from the desktop people reply to https://twitter.com/larsschuetze/statuses/316652779605225473 maybe? :) | 07:34 |
| mardy | thomi: ping (need some help with autopilot) | 07:42 |
| mardy | dholbach: hi! Do you know how to write autopilot tests? | 07:58 |
| dholbach | mardy, I'm afraid not - I wrote an autopkgtest once though :) | 07:59 |
| mardy | dholbach: do you know anyone who could help me, who is currently online? It's a rather newbie-like question, I presume | 08:00 |
| dholbach | mardy, maybe just best ask the question? | 08:03 |
| dholbach | pitti, Mirv: ^ do you know much about autopilot? | 08:05 |
| mardy | dholbach: let's try :-) How do I wait till an application becomes visible, after calling start_app()? | 08:05 |
| pitti | mardy: perhaps you can pick a particular widget and use Eventually() to wait until its visible property becomes tru? | 08:06 |
| pitti | true | 08:06 |
| * pitti only did some baby steps with autopilot as well, I'm afraid | 08:06 | |
| Mirv | dholbach: I can run the autopilot tests of unity and tweak if something fails, but not that much. I'd take a look at unity autopilot tests for a basis. | 08:07 |
| mardy | pitti: I'll try -- but I guess that I won't be able to get a handle to any widget, until the window is created | 08:07 |
| Mirv | mardy: Eventually seems to be used in Unity.. | 08:08 |
| mardy | Mirv: I tried that, but on what property? "user_visible" doesn't work ("Eventually is only usable with attributes that have a wait_for function or callable objects.") | 08:09 |
| mardy | funny thing is that none of the tests in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/trunk/files/head:/ubuntu_autopilot_tests/ check for the window visibility | 08:11 |
| mardy | maybe start_app() actually waits for the window visibility itself? | 08:11 |
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| dholbach | seb128, salut - do you know who could reply to https://twitter.com/larsschuetze/statuses/316652779605225473? | 08:38 |
| seb128 | dholbach, salut | 08:38 |
| seb128 | looking | 08:38 |
| seb128 | dholbach, you could reply? ;-) | 08:40 |
| dholbach | no | 08:40 |
| dholbach | I don't know the answer | 08:40 |
| seb128 | no reason we can't if there are applications proving good enough | 08:40 |
| seb128 | I don't see qml equivalent/replacements of our desktop core apps atm though | 08:41 |
| seb128 | but I'm pretty sure that will happen in the futur, hard to predict when and what apps though | 08:41 |
| thomi | mardy: Hi | 08:41 |
| dholbach | seb128, ok | 08:42 |
| thomi | mardy: did you get your problem resolved? | 08:42 |
| mardy | thomi: hi! Just trying to write some autopilot tests for Online Accounts, and I've a few questions :-) | 08:43 |
| mardy | thomi: does the start_app() actually wait for the window to be visible, before returning? | 08:43 |
| thomi | mardy: hmmm, let me check | 08:44 |
| mardy | thomi: none of the tests in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/trunk/files/head:/ubuntu_autopilot_tests/ is waiting for that, they all seem to assume the window is already available | 08:44 |
| thomi | mardy: it doesn't check for window visibility inside that method, no. I belive some of the tests have their own way of checking that the application has been initialised | 08:45 |
| thomi | which would be the correct way to do it | 08:45 |
| thomi | since an application window can be visible, but not initialised yet | 08:45 |
| thomi | mardy: so Ideally you'd start the app (via launch_test_application), and then read application state to ensure that it's been set up correctly | 08:46 |
| mardy | thomi: OK, the second question is: are start_app() and launch_test_application() completely separate? or can I get an ApplicationProxyObject froma BamfApplication object? | 08:47 |
| thomi | mardy: they are completely separate, and no, you can't. launch_app just starts the application normally, whereas launch_test_application does the "magic glue" that allows autopilot to introspect the application | 08:48 |
| mardy | thomi: well, I guess that if I use launch_test_application() directly, the question above doesn't even apply | 08:48 |
| mardy | thomi: OK, now it's clear. Thanks! :-) | 08:48 |
| thomi | mardy: lots of people make that mistake, and we're making it clearer in newer versions of autopilot :) | 08:48 |
| thomi | the launch_app methods are there if you want to test how your application interacts with opther apps.... which is really useful if you happen to be testing a desktop shell =) | 08:49 |
| thomi | autopilot is showing it's lineage :) | 08:49 |
| thomi | mardy: It's getting late here, so I'm going AFK. If you run in to any other problems, feel free to dop me an email: thomi.richards@canonical.com | 08:52 |
| * thomi waves | 08:52 | |
| mardy | thomi: mmm... just got one more question :-) Are my "print" statements eaten up somehow? | 08:54 |
| mardy | thomi: actually, it seems that launch_test_application() never returns | 08:58 |
| mardy | thomi: nevermind, I was missing libautopilot-gtk :-) | 09:08 |
| vrodic | why is ubuntu insiting on trying to ship outdated versions of mesa. 13.04 only has 9.0.3, but drivers in 9.2 are much better | 09:12 |
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| cjwatson | seb128: we seem to have a gnome-settings-daemon that breaks the current version of indicator-datetime, and no new indicator-datetime - do you know what's up with the latter? | 09:36 |
| cjwatson | looks like policykit-desktop-privileges and gnome-settings-daemon aren't currently coinstallable so image builds are failing as a result | 09:36 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, yeah, cyphermox was supposed to autoland indicator-datetime to go with the other bits and didn't for some reasons :-( | 09:40 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, I'm looking at it | 09:40 |
| cjwatson | seb128: thanks - can you let me know when it's landed so I can retry image builds, please? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, will do, sorry about the issue | 09:42 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, I overlooked that britney was not checking for installability to migrate stuff, when I uploaded I though it would stay in proposed until the breaks were resolved | 09:43 |
| cjwatson | seb128: it checks for installability, but not coinstallability of arbitrary sets | 09:51 |
| cjwatson | seb128: (which gets into the seriously NP-complete side of things, never mind being exception city :) ) | 09:51 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, was there any discussion about checking for installability of ubuntu-desktop? | 09:51 |
| pitti | isn't that pretty much what daily live fs builds do? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | or (*)ubuntu-desktop | 09:52 |
| pitti | (installing ubuntu-desktop and telling us about failures) | 09:52 |
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| seb128 | pitti, I was talking about plugging the result of that check in britney's migration | 09:52 |
| pitti | tricky; britney would take ages with that, I guess | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | seb128: we do check for installability of ubuntu-desktop | 09:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, we broke daily iso with an uncomplete transition | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | seb128: we don't check for installability of the ubuntu-desktop *task* (i.e. including all Recommends) | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | you've fallen into the crack there | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | You can tell this because http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/raring_probs.html doesn't show ubuntu-desktop as uninstallable | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | It might be worth generating some kind of per-task virtual packages that depend on everything in each task | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | Though we'd have to be careful about when the task changes | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | Or we could get proposed-migration to promote Recommends to Depends selectively or something ... | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | All seems fairly hackish but I suppose possible | 09:56 |
| seb128 | yeah, I'm not sure what is best either... | 09:57 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, I'm going to do a manual upload for indicator-datetime, utah seems to be out of order on the daily builds | 09:57 |
| seb128 | e.g http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/ps-indicators-autopilot-release-testing/183/label=autopilot-nvidia/console | 09:57 |
| cjwatson | seb128: got it, thanks | 10:00 |
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| mardy | pitti: any idea how I can introspect a GtkTreeView contents in autopilot? I don't see the "model" property there... | 10:12 |
| pitti | mardy: no, I don't; unfortunately autopilot-gtk is rather limited right now | 10:12 |
| mardy | pitti: OK, tough luck :-) I'll file a bug in the meantime, let's see how it goes... | 10:13 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, indicator-datetime uploaded/built everywhere, I guess it just need to be published and to be moved to raring proper with gnome-settings-daemon and we should be ok for the iso | 10:18 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, we will need systemd-services/systemd-shim promoted as well (MIR are approved, we just need to promote the binaries) | 10:19 |
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| cjwatson | seb128: ok, cool, I'll keep an eye on the hints | 10:28 |
| cjwatson | and I'll go and poke those MIRs | 10:28 |
| dholbach | pete-woods, AFAICT sphinx-voxforge-en looks good - it might be worth to put your comment (#10) from the bug report into either debian/copyright or debian/watch or maybe both to make it clear where the files are coming from and how they are constructed... also in case somebody else might want to update/fix the package and should not know how to go about it | 10:33 |
| dholbach | pete-woods, if you reupload the source package (or somewhere else) with that fix, you should just have to update the .dsc and .debian.tar.gz file - I can then upload it for you | 10:34 |
| pete-woods | dholbach: thanks for the review. I will put some more information in the debian/watch file - at the moment it doesn't mention the training tool I write | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | seb128: I can't find the MIR for systemd-services - can you point me at it? | 10:35 |
| pete-woods | *wrote | 10:35 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1152187 | 10:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1152187 in systemd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] systemd" [Undecided,Fix released] | 10:35 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, comment #12 has the ack | 10:35 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, and #14 from security | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | seb128: oh, it's closed, ok | 10:48 |
| cjwatson | seb128: moved all those to main now | 10:51 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, thanks a lot | 10:51 |
| cjwatson | seb128: looks like it's been promoted now | 10:56 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, good, I just got the launchpad emails that indicator-datetime and gnome-settings-daemon moved to raring | 10:59 |
| pete-woods | dholbach: did you see my comment on the sphinxtrain package? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1144015) | 11:55 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1144015 in Debian "[needs-packaging] New package sphinxtrain" [Unknown,New] | 11:55 |
| pete-woods | it's not installable in the state in the bug tracker | 11:55 |
| pete-woods | I can't update it myself, as you already have extra changes in there | 11:55 |
| pete-woods | (also have learned by 0ubuntu1 lesson :) ) | 11:56 |
| vibhav | Do we need a FFE for syncing ncpfs? | 12:17 |
| vibhav | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/ncpfs/ncpfs_2.2.6-9/changelog , if anyone wants to read the changelog | 12:19 |
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| vibhav | (the latest release fixes from critical bugs though) | 12:19 |
| tumbleweed | vibhav: the latest release has also been synced | 12:20 |
| tumbleweed | it's from november | 12:21 |
| vibhav | wierd, ubuntuwire still shows it. | 12:22 |
| vibhav | (must be update lag) | 12:22 |
| tumbleweed | probably because it's stuck in -proposed | 12:22 |
| vibhav | ah | 12:23 |
| * vibhav takes a look | 12:23 | |
| vibhav | yes, it is | 12:23 |
| vibhav | tumbleweed: thanks | 12:23 |
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| tumbleweed | vibhav: in fact, IIRC, I even commented about why it's stuck on the rcbugs page on ubuntuwire | 12:24 |
| tumbleweed | it looked non-trivial, but we should unstick it | 12:25 |
| vibhav | tumbleweed: yeah, I saw it | 12:25 |
| mlankhorst | oops | 12:44 |
| mlankhorst | can someone delete the xxv-modesetting upload I did? forgot to fixup distro | 12:44 |
| pitti | mlankhorst: where did you upload it to? | 12:45 |
| mlankhorst | precise-proposed | 12:45 |
| pitti | mlankhorst: seems someone already removed it, or the upload was rejected | 12:46 |
| pitti | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1 | 12:46 |
| mlankhorst | probably in new | 12:47 |
| mlankhorst | yeah | 12:47 |
| mlankhorst | I don't think precise had the modesetting driver :) | 12:54 |
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| cjwatson | mlankhorst: rejected from NEW | 13:15 |
| mlankhorst | ty | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | xnox, for your switch back to metacity, dont we also need to seed it again ? | 13:19 |
| xnox | ogra_: don't think so. compiz uses libmetacity to draw decorators. so 2/3 binary packages from src:metacity was still on the cd anyway. | 13:20 |
| ogra_ | just wanted to make sure ... | 13:21 |
| xnox | ogra_: and today's image wasn't build yet (due to respin with g-s & stuff) so will be testing once it lands. | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 13:22 |
| leagris | Hey, hello | 13:33 |
| leagris | Themuso, I wanted to reach you if you have a little bit time to talk about Ubuntu low sight accessibility | 13:34 |
| cyphermox | seb128: tests failed, the autopilot vms exploded overnight, that's why it didn't land | 13:36 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, ok, would have been nice to do a manual upload to unbreak installability of the desktop/cds | 13:37 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, but no worry, we sorted it out this morning | 13:37 |
| cyphermox | would have been, but you asked and I was no longer around | 13:37 |
| cyphermox | sorted it how? is there something to merge back into indicator-datetime now? | 13:38 |
| leagris | For all, I have strong concerns if Compiz E-Zoom could dissapear in the next ubuntu releases (while dropping Xorg). EZoom is the best suited screen magnifier for my 10% signtness. Comparing to Gnome Orca magnifier or its KDE counterpart or even the closed source world. Ezoom is responsive, smooth, easy and work anywhere even with full screen applications. | 13:38 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, I did a manual upload of lp:indicator-datetime/13.04 to raring | 13:38 |
| cyphermox | seb128: ok! | 13:39 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, so I guess yes, we will need that merged back (or overwritten, I don't care much about the changelog entry) | 13:39 |
| dholbach | pete-woods, I'm not sure what this means......... is the bug fixed already? | 13:39 |
| cyphermox | seb128: yeah, I'll just merge it and it's going to be fine | 13:39 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks | 13:39 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, the utah guys looked at their issue this morning and retried the tests, which failed because systemd-services was not promoted yet, I retried again | 13:40 |
| pete-woods | dholbach: sorry, I got my wires crossed and contacted the wrong person about it :$ | 13:41 |
| dholbach | pete-woods, ok... no worries :) | 13:41 |
| cyphermox | it failed again in this case :) | 13:41 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, indeed :-( | 13:44 |
| seb128 | one day utah will work for more than 2 runs in a row | 13:45 |
| ogra_ | wishful tinking :) | 13:45 |
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| mlankhorst | slangasek: can I reassign bug 982889 to you? | 18:05 |
| ubottu | bug 982889 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/982889 | 18:05 |
| slangasek | mlankhorst: if you wish... but I'd also be happy for you to follow through on it :) | 18:05 |
| mlankhorst | I don't trust myself touching upstart on other computers | 18:07 |
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| slangasek | why is update-manager upgrading packages that it's not showing me in the details list? | 19:16 |
| ScottK | It's an over achiever? | 19:16 |
| slangasek | ... specifically, packages that I'm hacking on locally and want to hold back but have not done a dpkg hold on, expecting update-manager to let me unselect them | 19:16 |
| xnox | slangasek: talk to mpt. It's the new design saying that "technical packages" are lumped together into "Core OS" item. | 19:17 |
| * xnox looks for the wiki / definition page. | 19:17 | |
| slangasek | xnox: there's a "Base OS" pulldown that lets me see lots of packages... but not the ones I care about | 19:17 |
| slangasek | libdbus - listed. libdecoration0 - not listed | 19:17 |
| slangasek | "Ubuntu base", it's called here | 19:18 |
| xnox | slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Expanded_presentation_of_updates | 19:18 |
| * xnox upgrades using cmd-line only =/ | 19:19 | |
| * xnox ponders if I should be using the "normal" updates method | 19:19 | |
| slangasek | xnox: yes; I assert that, even within the context of that design spec which I disagree with, the current behavior is buggy because I have no way at all to see and control the complete list of updates being installed | 19:23 |
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| blitzkrieg3 | does anyone have a good way to test the timezone picker in ubiquity? | 19:43 |
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| xnox | blitzkrieg3: please explain more? to test what? | 22:22 |
| xnox | (it has geoip detection, visuals/timezone highlights, setting correct timezone for the target user, offline geoip-less mode) | 22:23 |
| xnox | it's actually a few things the meat of the timezone picket is libtimezonemap which is also used by gnome-control-center as the time picker. | 22:23 |
| KeithW | I am impressed that you guys synced mosh 1.2.4 and correctly reverted the appropriate commit to fix the FTBFS on armhf with no drama! | 23:00 |
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| coderanger | Anyone know if apt (10.04+) actually still uses the MD5 and SHA1 fields in repos? | 23:01 |
| coderanger | Guessing it is just crufty old stuff and everything hopefully uses the sha256 sums now, but I've not looked into the apt source | 23:01 |
| sarnold | coderanger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1098738 | 23:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1098738 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get source only checks md5 hashes in Sources files" [High,In progress] | 23:01 |
| coderanger | sarnold: I haz a sad now | 23:01 |
| coderanger | Will include all of them then, thanky | 23:02 |
| infinity | KeithW: Oh, I was going to make drama for you, but you weren't online. :P | 23:02 |
| KeithW | infinity: Haha, well, impressive! We just pushed 1.2.4a to Debian to do the same thing. | 23:03 |
| infinity | KeithW: Didn't feel like fixing the broken test code instead? The revert was just the path of least resistance for me. :P | 23:04 |
| KeithW | We already had our own end-to-end test of OCB with the same test vectors in src/tests, so it didn't seem worth it. The real problem was that the built-in ocb.cc test doesn't even give a bad return code on failure, so it wasn't even working for us as an automated test! | 23:04 |
| infinity | KeithW: Hah. Smooth. | 23:05 |
| infinity | KeithW: Alright, I'll resync 1.2.4a-1 over my upload later, then. After I've seen it build on all the Debian buildds. | 23:05 |
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| infinity | KeithW: (Which I should have checked before doing the sync for you before, mea culpa) | 23:05 |
| KeithW | Ok, I think your existing 1.2.4 is fine (the only relevant changes in 1.2.4a warnings on RHEL 5 and ARM/MIPS/s390 that failed the build), but also fine if you want to sync it. | 23:06 |
| KeithW | Er, the only changes in 1.2.4a are to fix build warnings. | 23:07 |
| infinity | Oh, I'm sure mine's fine, I'd just sync it to get it off my plate, so it autosyncs correctly again later. | 23:07 |
| infinity | (We don't autosync packages with Ubuntu changes, for obvious reasons) | 23:08 |
| KeithW | Oh, ok. Sounds good. | 23:08 |
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| xnox | Mirv: when are you planning to upload qt5 again? I really want the Gtk theming fix in, but there are a few more things stagged in the bzr branch. | 23:30 |
| ScottK | xnox: What and is it upstream? | 23:31 |
| xnox | ScottK: don't panic. We missded -gtkstyle & libgtk2.0-dev build-dep in qt5 package vs qt4 package, hence gtk theming support didn't build and right now qt5 hello world app looks like it's from 1987 | 23:32 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:32 |
| ScottK | What are the few more things? | 23:32 |
| sarnold | (can we keep that as an option? :) | 23:32 |
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| xnox | ScottK: see unreleased stanza: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src/view/head:/debian/changelog | 23:34 |
| xnox | ScottK: also do you have highlight on my nick or just on "qt" ? =) | 23:34 |
| ScottK | Just happend to notice. | 23:41 |
| ScottK | OK. Not too scary. | 23:42 |
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