| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Psil0Cybin) | 06:11 |
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| sarnold | hello; please consider +q or +b for plan_1 in #ubuntu-server. Thanks. | 06:55 |
| bazhang | (~one@adsl-108-209-155-138.dsl.stl2mo.sbcglobal.net): one | 06:58 |
| bazhang | sarnold, thanks for the report/tip | 06:58 |
| sarnold | bazhang: hrm. one@... sounds familiar, I think I saw a kick message ~12 hours ago about evading bans. | 06:59 |
| bazhang | seems to be quiet at the moment; hopefully it will stop completely or we'll take action. Thanks again | 07:00 |
| sarnold | thanks bazhang :D | 07:02 |
| bazhang | sarnold, he has quit for the moment; if there's nothing else could you please part the channel so as to keep it free for channel issues, etc.? thanks | 07:17 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Psil0Cybin) | 07:22 |
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| Pici | anyone around? | 12:46 |
| k1l_ | yep | 12:46 |
| Pici | Can you look at what einyx is asking about? Am I confused? | 12:46 |
| Pici | Or rather, I am confused, it looks like they're just ranting. | 12:46 |
| k1l_ | hmm. he talks about a bug. then claims to mount a external drive, the talks about a bug where he knows how to fix it. but that doesnt work or he doesnt want it. | 12:50 |
| k1l_ | well, im confused too | 12:50 |
| k1l_ | i think its a mix of asking for help, ranting that its not working and not native language | 12:53 |
| IdleOne | maybe forward him to -it for help. seems he is Italian | 12:55 |
| bazhang | <DylanCl> The size of the file is over 2 GiB. Files larger than 2 GiB are not supported by the ISO9660 standard in its first and second versions (the most widespread ones). | 16:24 |
| bazhang | deja vu all over again | 16:25 |
| bazhang | it's a windows.iso after all | 16:25 |
| bazhang | bf to #hurd | 16:49 |
| Pici | learning the linux | 16:50 |
| k1l | for learning linux i would recommend linux from scratch :) | 16:51 |
| bazhang | well, either he's going to cry "free speech" or "this is why new users don't like Linux" | 16:51 |
| bazhang | wow fbots really permissive | 16:54 |
| bazhang | it gets better yet. | 17:54 |
| bazhang | not only a windows iso, but pirated! | 17:55 |
| Myrtti | I see Honvai is adding to the confusion. | 17:55 |
| Myrtti | Nice. | 17:55 |
| Tm_T | awww | 17:55 |
| Tm_T | Myrtti: but he's special (: | 17:56 |
| Myrtti | I'm kinda happy I just cut my finger with a knife so my typing is slow enough that I can blame being cripple for not answering him | 17:57 |
| bazhang | tgm4833 is not helping things | 17:58 |
| bazhang | he refuses to move on | 17:59 |
| bazhang | perhaps time for him to move out, if not on | 18:00 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, really? | 18:01 |
| IdleOne | thank you for joining | 18:01 |
| IdleOne | yes, really. | 18:01 |
| tgm4883 | ok, then can we at least discuss this like adults? | 18:01 |
| bazhang | sure | 18:02 |
| tgm4883 | ok then | 18:02 |
| IdleOne | tgm4883: Windows does not allow for sharing of iso's so the fact that he admits he got it from his friend makes it piracy. | 18:02 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, agreed | 18:02 |
| IdleOne | good. lets move on to supporting Ubuntu and drop this off topic discussion in #ubuntu | 18:02 |
| tgm4883 | well now wait a minute | 18:02 |
| tgm4883 | I did tell him to go get an evaluation copy and to try that | 18:03 |
| IdleOne | tgm4883: you did, and that was helpful. | 18:03 |
| IdleOne | and that is the extent of the windows support we can tolerate in #ubuntu | 18:03 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, so we can't assist in helping people burn ISOs? | 18:03 |
| IdleOne | not illegal iso when the user has all but said "This is a pirated iso". | 18:04 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I'm not arguing that point | 18:04 |
| IdleOne | super. | 18:04 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I'm arguing that we should at least attempt to support burning a legal windows ISO in Ubuntu | 18:04 |
| IdleOne | We can and sometimes do, but the instances of people asking about how to burn Windows ISO's are overwhelmingly about pirated iso's | 18:05 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, ok, so we should then assume guilty until proven innocent? | 18:06 |
| IdleOne | So, the user admitted to it. We told him our policies. End of story. | 18:06 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I'm just trying to figure out what the official policies are, even the bass ackwords ones | 18:06 |
| IdleOne | How the truth was discovered is irrelevant, we now know that it is a pirated iso and we will not allow support for illegal activities. | 18:06 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I'm not asking for this particular instance. i'm asking for future reference | 18:07 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, unless of course you want to repeat this with me every time this situation comes up :) | 18:07 |
| IdleOne | In the future if you want to help them with something illegal, do it elsewhere (note I am not condoning this) | 18:08 |
| * tgm4883 sighs | 18:08 | |
| tgm4883 | that isn't what I said | 18:08 |
| tgm4883 | at least, that isn't what I thought I just said | 18:08 |
| IdleOne | when in doubt, come here and ask us. I'm not going to give you a blanket/cover all rule. | 18:09 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, so in the future, if someone comes into #ubuntu looking for help burning a windows ISO, my understanding is that the first we need to ask is "Where did you get the ISO from?" | 18:09 |
| IdleOne | no, direct them to ##windows, surpringly they actually do a lot of linux support in there to get users back on windows. | 18:10 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, ok, absolutely zero windows support in #ubuntu, even if the extent of that windows support is "burning a Windows ISO in ubuntu" | 18:11 |
| IdleOne | I'm not going to give you a blanket/cover all rule. | 18:11 |
| jbroome | it has been a while since i've used ubuntu, but aren't all isos burned the same way? | 18:12 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I'm starting to understand why some people can't follow the non-existant rulebook | 18:12 |
| tgm4883 | jbroome, one would think | 18:12 |
| IdleOne | jbroome: yes, but when a user admits to piracy Ubuntu has a rule of zero support. | 18:12 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, Either you aren't understanding what I am trying to say, or you are purposefully ignoring me | 18:13 |
| bazhang | it's not nonexistent | 18:13 |
| bazhang | the guidelines / coc / and bot factoids have a ton | 18:13 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, zero tolarance rule on piracy in #ubuntu, I am not confused on that, nor am I arguing for that. I completely agree with that rule | 18:14 |
| IdleOne | tgm4883: I am not ignoring you. You want me to give you a catch all for any occurence of windows related questions. I won't do that. | 18:14 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, my question is, if someone has a legal windows iso, and wants to burn it in ubuntu. Is the rule that we will not support that | 18:14 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, what i'm asking for isn't a blanket rule, it's a single situation | 18:15 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, i'd argue that we should support that scenario (and that is precisely what I was arguing in the channel) | 18:15 |
| IdleOne | if you can reasonable believe that the user is not pirating software, sure help them burn the iso. | 18:15 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, thank you | 18:15 |
| IdleOne | but you were arguing a hypothetical situation as the fact was already established that this user was pirating. | 18:16 |
| IdleOne | so, your arguing in the channel was off topic and distracting from the purpose of the channel. | 18:16 |
| bazhang | tgm4883, when asked to move on , one should move on. | 18:17 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I suppose so, I was more unhappy with ActionParsnip being unhelpful and nobody caring. I mean, I almost brought the wrath of ikonia down on my for something similar | 18:17 |
| tgm4883 | me* | 18:17 |
| IdleOne | I'm going to remove the mute. actionparsnip was only applying our guidelines as best he understands them which in this case happened to be the same as any op would have. | 18:18 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I'll agree with that after he found out it was piracy, he did enforce the rules the best he could. I'll disagree with how he found out (which is a moot point) | 18:19 |
| IdleOne | In case I was unclear earlier, if you suspect someone of pirating, don't send them to ##windows. They have very similar rules as Ubuntu does about it. | 18:20 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, ah, you were unclear, that does clarify that point | 18:20 |
| IdleOne | anyway, please make sure to follow the !guidelines when in #ubuntu* channels. | 18:21 |
| IdleOne | !guidelines | in case you haven't read them yet | 18:21 |
| ubottu | in case you haven't read them yet: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 18:21 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, yes, I'll try to stay on topic. I'll expect the same guidelines to be followed by everyone | 18:22 |
| Myrtti | it fits for any channel really | 18:22 |
| Myrtti | if someone is being an ass in #ubuntu, poking them with the offtopic factoid and pointing them to -offtopic is a bit useless | 18:22 |
| IdleOne | tgm4883: All users of ubuntu channels are expected to follow the same guidelines, as an ubuntu member you should already knows this | 18:22 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, I do know this. | 18:23 |
| Myrtti | and non-Ubuntu channels usually by default aren't feeling too happy when the trolls tell people in #ubuntu-* told them to join their channel | 18:23 |
| tgm4883 | Myrtti, I was more upset with the actions of another person in the channel, but my bringing it up in the channel was offtopic. I should have PM'd them instead | 18:23 |
| bazhang | and move on when asked to tgm4883 | 18:24 |
| IdleOne | tgm4883: it is polite to acknowledge when people speak to you. | 18:25 |
| tgm4883 | bazhang, I already said I would follow the channel guidelines (which include staying on topic). | 18:26 |
| bazhang | tgm4883, you point blank refused to move on when I asked you to | 18:26 |
| tgm4883 | IdleOne, yes it is, I had typed a longer response to bazhang, but edited it in order to follow channel guidelines | 18:26 |
| tgm4883 | bazhang, yes I did | 18:27 |
| bazhang | tgm4883, that is not following the channel guidelines | 18:27 |
| tgm4883 | bazhang, If you're looking for an appology for my previous infraction, I don't think it's coming. I have already said that I will try to follow the guidelines (which usually means, from now on, since I cannot timetravel) | 18:28 |
| bazhang | tgm4883, I am looking for reassurance in future cases that when asked to move on/stop/take it offtopic, that you will do so, irrespective of who is asking | 18:29 |
| tgm4883 | bazhang, in the future, I will try to not be off topic. If i get off topic, and someone tells me to move on. I will do so | 18:31 |
| IdleOne | Alright, if we are done here please part this channel and have a good day. | 18:37 |
| bazhang | <Honvai> where i get info for artifical intellicense assintant | 18:41 |
| bazhang | AI? | 18:41 |
| jbroome | i don't think there's a ppa for AI | 18:43 |
| bazhang | hehe | 18:43 |
| bazhang | it became sentient and moved to universe | 18:44 |
| Myrtti | elizabot isn't available anymore | 18:44 |
| Myrtti | apart from pulling it from perl | 18:44 |
| jbroome | and how do you feel about that? | 18:44 |
| Myrtti | it makes me sad | 18:45 |
| Tm_T | would libghc-markov-chain-dev be enogh? | 18:45 |
| Tm_T | enough too | 18:45 |
| tonyyarusso | There are some decent markov chain plugins for supybot too | 18:46 |
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