[06:11] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Psil0Cybin) [06:55] hello; please consider +q or +b for plan_1 in #ubuntu-server. Thanks. [06:58] (~one@adsl-108-209-155-138.dsl.stl2mo.sbcglobal.net): one [06:58] sarnold, thanks for the report/tip [06:59] bazhang: hrm. one@... sounds familiar, I think I saw a kick message ~12 hours ago about evading bans. [07:00] seems to be quiet at the moment; hopefully it will stop completely or we'll take action. Thanks again [07:02] thanks bazhang :D [07:17] sarnold, he has quit for the moment; if there's nothing else could you please part the channel so as to keep it free for channel issues, etc.? thanks [07:22] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Psil0Cybin) === jtrucks_ is now known as jtrucks [12:46] anyone around? [12:46] yep [12:46] Can you look at what einyx is asking about? Am I confused? [12:46] Or rather, I am confused, it looks like they're just ranting. [12:50] hmm. he talks about a bug. then claims to mount a external drive, the talks about a bug where he knows how to fix it. but that doesnt work or he doesnt want it. [12:50] well, im confused too [12:53] i think its a mix of asking for help, ranting that its not working and not native language [12:55] maybe forward him to -it for help. seems he is Italian [16:24] The size of the file is over 2 GiB. Files larger than 2 GiB are not supported by the ISO9660 standard in its first and second versions (the most widespread ones). [16:25] deja vu all over again [16:25] it's a windows.iso after all [16:49] bf to #hurd [16:50] learning the linux [16:51] for learning linux i would recommend linux from scratch :) [16:51] well, either he's going to cry "free speech" or "this is why new users don't like Linux" [16:54] wow fbots really permissive [17:54] it gets better yet. [17:55] not only a windows iso, but pirated! [17:55] I see Honvai is adding to the confusion. [17:55] Nice. [17:55] awww [17:56] Myrtti: but he's special (: [17:57] I'm kinda happy I just cut my finger with a knife so my typing is slow enough that I can blame being cripple for not answering him [17:58] tgm4833 is not helping things [17:59] he refuses to move on [18:00] perhaps time for him to move out, if not on [18:01] IdleOne, really? [18:01] thank you for joining [18:01] yes, really. [18:01] ok, then can we at least discuss this like adults? [18:02] sure [18:02] ok then [18:02] tgm4883: Windows does not allow for sharing of iso's so the fact that he admits he got it from his friend makes it piracy. [18:02] IdleOne, agreed [18:02] good. lets move on to supporting Ubuntu and drop this off topic discussion in #ubuntu [18:02] well now wait a minute [18:03] I did tell him to go get an evaluation copy and to try that [18:03] tgm4883: you did, and that was helpful. [18:03] and that is the extent of the windows support we can tolerate in #ubuntu [18:03] IdleOne, so we can't assist in helping people burn ISOs? [18:04] not illegal iso when the user has all but said "This is a pirated iso". [18:04] IdleOne, I'm not arguing that point [18:04] super. [18:04] IdleOne, I'm arguing that we should at least attempt to support burning a legal windows ISO in Ubuntu [18:05] We can and sometimes do, but the instances of people asking about how to burn Windows ISO's are overwhelmingly about pirated iso's [18:06] IdleOne, ok, so we should then assume guilty until proven innocent? [18:06] So, the user admitted to it. We told him our policies. End of story. [18:06] IdleOne, I'm just trying to figure out what the official policies are, even the bass ackwords ones [18:06] How the truth was discovered is irrelevant, we now know that it is a pirated iso and we will not allow support for illegal activities. [18:07] IdleOne, I'm not asking for this particular instance. i'm asking for future reference [18:07] IdleOne, unless of course you want to repeat this with me every time this situation comes up :) [18:08] In the future if you want to help them with something illegal, do it elsewhere (note I am not condoning this) [18:08] * tgm4883 sighs [18:08] that isn't what I said [18:08] at least, that isn't what I thought I just said [18:09] when in doubt, come here and ask us. I'm not going to give you a blanket/cover all rule. [18:09] IdleOne, so in the future, if someone comes into #ubuntu looking for help burning a windows ISO, my understanding is that the first we need to ask is "Where did you get the ISO from?" [18:10] no, direct them to ##windows, surpringly they actually do a lot of linux support in there to get users back on windows. [18:11] IdleOne, ok, absolutely zero windows support in #ubuntu, even if the extent of that windows support is "burning a Windows ISO in ubuntu" [18:11] I'm not going to give you a blanket/cover all rule. [18:12] it has been a while since i've used ubuntu, but aren't all isos burned the same way? [18:12] IdleOne, I'm starting to understand why some people can't follow the non-existant rulebook [18:12] jbroome, one would think [18:12] jbroome: yes, but when a user admits to piracy Ubuntu has a rule of zero support. [18:13] IdleOne, Either you aren't understanding what I am trying to say, or you are purposefully ignoring me [18:13] it's not nonexistent [18:13] the guidelines / coc / and bot factoids have a ton [18:14] IdleOne, zero tolarance rule on piracy in #ubuntu, I am not confused on that, nor am I arguing for that. I completely agree with that rule [18:14] tgm4883: I am not ignoring you. You want me to give you a catch all for any occurence of windows related questions. I won't do that. [18:14] IdleOne, my question is, if someone has a legal windows iso, and wants to burn it in ubuntu. Is the rule that we will not support that [18:15] IdleOne, what i'm asking for isn't a blanket rule, it's a single situation [18:15] IdleOne, i'd argue that we should support that scenario (and that is precisely what I was arguing in the channel) [18:15] if you can reasonable believe that the user is not pirating software, sure help them burn the iso. [18:15] IdleOne, thank you [18:16] but you were arguing a hypothetical situation as the fact was already established that this user was pirating. [18:16] so, your arguing in the channel was off topic and distracting from the purpose of the channel. [18:17] tgm4883, when asked to move on , one should move on. [18:17] IdleOne, I suppose so, I was more unhappy with ActionParsnip being unhelpful and nobody caring. I mean, I almost brought the wrath of ikonia down on my for something similar [18:17] me* [18:18] I'm going to remove the mute. actionparsnip was only applying our guidelines as best he understands them which in this case happened to be the same as any op would have. [18:19] IdleOne, I'll agree with that after he found out it was piracy, he did enforce the rules the best he could. I'll disagree with how he found out (which is a moot point) [18:20] In case I was unclear earlier, if you suspect someone of pirating, don't send them to ##windows. They have very similar rules as Ubuntu does about it. [18:20] IdleOne, ah, you were unclear, that does clarify that point [18:21] anyway, please make sure to follow the !guidelines when in #ubuntu* channels. [18:21] !guidelines | in case you haven't read them yet [18:21] in case you haven't read them yet: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [18:22] IdleOne, yes, I'll try to stay on topic. I'll expect the same guidelines to be followed by everyone [18:22] it fits for any channel really [18:22] if someone is being an ass in #ubuntu, poking them with the offtopic factoid and pointing them to -offtopic is a bit useless [18:22] tgm4883: All users of ubuntu channels are expected to follow the same guidelines, as an ubuntu member you should already knows this [18:23] IdleOne, I do know this. [18:23] and non-Ubuntu channels usually by default aren't feeling too happy when the trolls tell people in #ubuntu-* told them to join their channel [18:23] Myrtti, I was more upset with the actions of another person in the channel, but my bringing it up in the channel was offtopic. I should have PM'd them instead [18:24] and move on when asked to tgm4883 [18:25] tgm4883: it is polite to acknowledge when people speak to you. [18:26] bazhang, I already said I would follow the channel guidelines (which include staying on topic). [18:26] tgm4883, you point blank refused to move on when I asked you to [18:26] IdleOne, yes it is, I had typed a longer response to bazhang, but edited it in order to follow channel guidelines [18:27] bazhang, yes I did [18:27] tgm4883, that is not following the channel guidelines [18:28] bazhang, If you're looking for an appology for my previous infraction, I don't think it's coming. I have already said that I will try to follow the guidelines (which usually means, from now on, since I cannot timetravel) [18:29] tgm4883, I am looking for reassurance in future cases that when asked to move on/stop/take it offtopic, that you will do so, irrespective of who is asking [18:31] bazhang, in the future, I will try to not be off topic. If i get off topic, and someone tells me to move on. I will do so [18:37] Alright, if we are done here please part this channel and have a good day. [18:41] where i get info for artifical intellicense assintant [18:41] AI? [18:43] i don't think there's a ppa for AI [18:43] hehe [18:44] it became sentient and moved to universe [18:44] elizabot isn't available anymore [18:44] apart from pulling it from perl [18:44] and how do you feel about that? [18:45] it makes me sad [18:45] would libghc-markov-chain-dev be enogh? [18:45] enough too [18:46] There are some decent markov chain plugins for supybot too === h00k is now known as captainhook === captainhook is now known as captainh00k === captainh00k is now known as h00k