[06:55] <sarnold> hello; please consider +q or +b for plan_1 in #ubuntu-server. Thanks.
[06:58] <bazhang> (~one@adsl-108-209-155-138.dsl.stl2mo.sbcglobal.net): one
[06:58] <bazhang> sarnold, thanks for the report/tip
[06:59] <sarnold> bazhang: hrm. one@... sounds familiar, I think I saw a kick message ~12 hours ago about evading bans.
[07:00] <bazhang> seems to be quiet at the moment; hopefully it will stop completely or we'll take action. Thanks again
[07:02] <sarnold> thanks bazhang :D
[07:17] <bazhang> sarnold, he has quit for the moment; if there's nothing else could you please part the channel so as to keep it free for channel issues, etc.? thanks
[12:46] <Pici> anyone around?
[12:46] <k1l_> yep
[12:46] <Pici> Can you look at what einyx is asking about? Am I confused?
[12:46] <Pici> Or rather, I am confused, it looks like they're just ranting.
[12:50] <k1l_> hmm. he talks about a bug. then claims to mount a external drive, the talks about a bug where he knows how to fix it. but that doesnt work or he doesnt want it.
[12:50] <k1l_> well, im confused too
[12:53] <k1l_> i think its a mix of asking for help, ranting that its not working and not native language
[12:55] <IdleOne> maybe forward him to -it for help. seems he is Italian
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[16:25] <bazhang> deja vu all over again
[16:25] <bazhang> it's a windows.iso after all
[16:49] <bazhang> bf to #hurd
[16:50] <Pici> learning the linux
[16:51] <k1l> for learning linux i would recommend linux from scratch :)
[16:51] <bazhang> well, either he's going to cry "free speech" or "this is why new users don't like Linux"
[16:54] <bazhang> wow fbots really permissive
[17:54] <bazhang> it gets better yet.
[17:55] <bazhang> not only a windows iso, but pirated!
[17:55] <Myrtti> I see Honvai is adding to the confusion.
[17:55] <Myrtti> Nice.
[17:55] <Tm_T> awww
[17:56] <Tm_T> Myrtti: but he's special (:
[17:57] <Myrtti> I'm kinda happy I just cut my finger with a knife so my typing is slow enough that I can blame being cripple for not answering him
[17:58] <bazhang> tgm4833 is not helping things
[17:59] <bazhang> he refuses to move on
[18:00] <bazhang> perhaps time for him to move out, if not on
[18:01] <tgm4883> IdleOne, really?
[18:01] <IdleOne> thank you for joining
[18:01] <IdleOne> yes, really.
[18:01] <tgm4883> ok, then can we at least discuss this like adults?
[18:02] <bazhang> sure
[18:02] <tgm4883> ok then
[18:02] <IdleOne> tgm4883: Windows does not allow for sharing of iso's so the fact that he admits he got it from his friend makes it piracy.
[18:02] <tgm4883> IdleOne, agreed
[18:02] <IdleOne> good. lets move on to supporting Ubuntu and drop this off topic discussion in #ubuntu
[18:02] <tgm4883> well now wait a minute
[18:03] <tgm4883> I did tell him to go get an evaluation copy  and to try that
[18:03] <IdleOne> tgm4883: you did, and that was helpful.
[18:03] <IdleOne> and that is the extent of the windows support we can tolerate in #ubuntu
[18:03] <tgm4883> IdleOne, so we can't assist in helping people burn ISOs?
[18:04] <IdleOne> not illegal iso when the user has all but said "This is a pirated iso".
[18:04] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I'm not arguing that point
[18:04] <IdleOne> super.
[18:04] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I'm arguing that we should at least attempt to support burning a legal windows ISO in Ubuntu
[18:05] <IdleOne> We can and sometimes do, but the instances of people asking about how to burn Windows ISO's are overwhelmingly about pirated iso's
[18:06] <tgm4883> IdleOne, ok, so we should then assume guilty until proven innocent?
[18:06] <IdleOne> So, the user admitted to it. We told him our policies. End of story.
[18:06] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I'm just trying to figure out what the official policies are, even the bass ackwords ones
[18:06] <IdleOne> How the truth was discovered is irrelevant, we now know that it is a pirated iso and we will not allow support for illegal activities.
[18:07] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I'm not asking for this particular instance. i'm asking for future reference
[18:07] <tgm4883> IdleOne, unless of course you want to repeat this with me every time this situation comes up :)
[18:08] <IdleOne> In the future if you want to help them with something illegal, do it elsewhere (note I am not condoning this)
[18:08]  * tgm4883 sighs
[18:08] <tgm4883> that isn't what I said
[18:08] <tgm4883> at least, that isn't what I thought I just said
[18:09] <IdleOne> when in doubt, come here and ask us. I'm not going to give you a blanket/cover all rule.
[18:09] <tgm4883> IdleOne, so in the future, if someone comes into #ubuntu looking for help burning a windows ISO, my understanding is that the first we need to ask is "Where did you get the ISO from?"
[18:10] <IdleOne> no, direct them to ##windows, surpringly they actually do a lot of linux support in there to get users back on windows.
[18:11] <tgm4883> IdleOne, ok, absolutely zero windows support in #ubuntu, even if the extent of that windows support is "burning a Windows ISO in ubuntu"
[18:11] <IdleOne>  I'm not going to give you a blanket/cover all rule.
[18:12] <jbroome> it has been a while since i've used ubuntu, but aren't all isos burned the same way?
[18:12] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I'm starting to understand why some people can't follow the non-existant rulebook
[18:12] <tgm4883> jbroome, one would think
[18:12] <IdleOne> jbroome: yes, but when a user admits to piracy Ubuntu has a rule of zero support.
[18:13] <tgm4883> IdleOne, Either you aren't understanding what I am trying to say, or you are purposefully ignoring me
[18:13] <bazhang> it's not nonexistent
[18:13] <bazhang> the guidelines / coc / and bot factoids have a ton
[18:14] <tgm4883> IdleOne, zero tolarance rule on piracy in #ubuntu, I am not confused on that, nor am I arguing for that. I completely agree with that rule
[18:14] <IdleOne> tgm4883: I am not ignoring you. You want me to give you a catch all for any occurence of windows related questions. I won't do that.
[18:14] <tgm4883> IdleOne, my question is, if someone has a legal windows iso, and wants to burn it in ubuntu. Is the rule that we will not support that
[18:15] <tgm4883> IdleOne, what i'm asking for isn't a blanket rule, it's a single situation
[18:15] <tgm4883> IdleOne, i'd argue that we should support that scenario (and that is precisely what I was arguing in the channel)
[18:15] <IdleOne> if you can reasonable believe that the user is not pirating software, sure help them burn the iso.
[18:15] <tgm4883> IdleOne, thank you
[18:16] <IdleOne> but you were arguing a hypothetical situation as the fact was already established that this user was pirating.
[18:16] <IdleOne> so, your arguing in the channel was off topic and distracting from the purpose of the channel.
[18:17] <bazhang> tgm4883, when asked to move on , one should move on.
[18:17] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I suppose so, I was more unhappy with ActionParsnip being unhelpful and nobody caring. I mean, I almost brought the wrath of ikonia down on my for something similar
[18:17] <tgm4883> me*
[18:18] <IdleOne> I'm going to remove the mute. actionparsnip was only applying our guidelines as best he understands them which in this case happened to be the same as any op would have.
[18:19] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I'll agree with that after he found out it was piracy, he did enforce the rules the best he could. I'll disagree with how he found out (which is a moot point)
[18:20] <IdleOne> In case I was unclear earlier, if you suspect someone of pirating, don't send them to ##windows. They have very similar rules as Ubuntu does about it.
[18:20] <tgm4883> IdleOne, ah, you were unclear, that does clarify that point
[18:21] <IdleOne> anyway, please make sure to follow the !guidelines when in #ubuntu* channels.
[18:21] <IdleOne> !guidelines | in case you haven't read them yet
[18:22] <tgm4883> IdleOne, yes, I'll try to stay on topic. I'll expect the same guidelines to be followed by everyone
[18:22] <Myrtti> it fits for any channel really
[18:22] <Myrtti> if someone is being an ass in #ubuntu, poking them with the offtopic factoid and pointing them to -offtopic is a bit useless
[18:22] <IdleOne> tgm4883: All users of ubuntu channels are expected to follow the same guidelines, as an ubuntu member you should already knows this
[18:23] <tgm4883> IdleOne, I do know this.
[18:23] <Myrtti> and non-Ubuntu channels usually by default aren't feeling too happy when the trolls tell people in #ubuntu-* told them to join their channel
[18:23] <tgm4883> Myrtti, I was more upset with the actions of another person in the channel, but my bringing it up in the channel was offtopic. I should have PM'd them instead
[18:24] <bazhang> and move on when asked to tgm4883
[18:25] <IdleOne> tgm4883: it is polite to acknowledge when people speak to you.
[18:26] <tgm4883> bazhang, I already said I would follow the channel guidelines (which include staying on topic).
[18:26] <bazhang> tgm4883, you point blank refused to move on when I asked you to
[18:26] <tgm4883> IdleOne, yes it is, I had typed a longer response to bazhang, but edited it in order to follow channel guidelines
[18:27] <tgm4883> bazhang, yes I did
[18:27] <bazhang> tgm4883, that is not following the channel guidelines
[18:28] <tgm4883> bazhang, If you're looking for an appology for my previous infraction, I don't think it's coming. I have already said that I will try to follow the guidelines (which usually means, from now on, since I cannot timetravel)
[18:29] <bazhang> tgm4883, I am looking for reassurance in future cases that when asked to move on/stop/take it offtopic, that you will do so, irrespective of who is asking
[18:31] <tgm4883> bazhang, in the future, I will try to not be off topic. If i get off topic, and someone tells me to move on. I will do so
[18:37] <IdleOne> Alright, if we are done here please part this channel and have a good day.
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[18:41] <bazhang> AI?
[18:43] <jbroome> i don't think there's a ppa for AI
[18:43] <bazhang> hehe
[18:44] <bazhang> it became sentient and moved to universe
[18:44] <Myrtti> elizabot isn't available anymore
[18:44] <Myrtti> apart from pulling it from perl
[18:44] <jbroome> and how do you feel about that?
[18:45] <Myrtti> it makes me sad
[18:45] <Tm_T> would libghc-markov-chain-dev be enogh?
[18:45] <Tm_T> enough too
[18:46] <tonyyarusso> There are some decent markov chain plugins for supybot too