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MirvQt 5.0.1 now available to all PPA users as well, similar to Ubuntu 13.04 development version users06:13
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dholbachgood morning07:36
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mlankhorstDid anyone try to add a contact? I can't seem to find the way to continue after I filled in the details08:12
mlankhorstoh nm, you have to hide the onscreen keyboard first, then bring out the menu from below08:12
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dank101http://i.imgur.com/gz4N8yg.jpg08:24
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victorpogra_, ping09:23
P3T3Hi folks, I am not able to boot current build on ac100. Stil finishing in black screen09:28
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tvossogra_, ping09:38
oSoMoNcan someone with a Nexus 7 confirm bug #1160630 ?09:50
ubot5bug 1160630 in touch-preview-images "impossible to enter url into web browser on Nexus 7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116063009:50
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rossgbI don't seem to have the problem described in bug #1160630 on my Nexus 7.09:56
ubot5bug 1160630 in touch-preview-images "impossible to enter url into web browser on Nexus 7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116063009:56
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bl4dehi! :)10:08
bl4deanyone can tell me about the progress of ubuntu touch on nexus 7?10:08
bl4deIs there any changelog? :)10:09
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victorpseb128, do you or some in your team have a nexus 10 that you are flashing regularly?10:42
seb128victorp, no, I don't know of anyone in our team who has one, we have nexus7 devices and some got a nexus410:43
victorpseb128, oh ok. I will put it on the shopping list :)10:44
sergiusensbl4de: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled.changelog10:44
seb128victorp, thanks ;-)10:44
ogra_victorp, hey10:52
ogra_tvoss, pong10:52
bl4desergiusens, thanks!!! :)10:52
ogra_seb128, do you know when we added the gvfs mtp backends ? that causes massive havoc when flashing11:00
seb128ogra_, jan 1811:01
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/1.15.2-0ubuntu111:01
* ogra_ wonders about a way to fix that ... you can flash at all while gvfs mtp stuff is running and your desktop gets filled with popups like crazy11:01
ogra_weird, i only see it since a few days11:01
ogra_seb128, any idea what we could do about that ?11:02
seb128what's the issue exactly?11:02
seb128gvfs detecting the device and automounting it as a mtp mount?11:02
ogra_mtp reconnects all the time if phablet-flash tries to flash the device11:02
ogra_that breaks both in the end11:02
seb128does that make the device to be removed and redetected by the kernel/udev?11:03
ogra_seemingly ... i have to test if that happens actually on such a low level ...11:03
seb128I don't see a reason for gvfs to do stuff if it doesn't see a new device11:04
ogra_in recovery mode the device shows up with a different ID, so we can catch that and avoid mtp ... but for flashing it needs to be in "normal" mode11:04
ogra_and phablet-flash then puts it in adb root mode .... which apparently causes mtp to reconnect11:04
ogra_which in turn kills pahblet-flash ...11:04
seb128not sure what changed11:05
ogra_so you end with an endless loop of these two userspace tools trying to claim the device11:05
seb128we had the mtp mounts happening for quite some time11:05
seb128it never broke the install afaik11:05
seb128I guess we would need to add some inhibitor to gvfs11:06
ogra_probably a udev change .... it surely didnt happen to me between jan 18 and ... say a week or two ago11:06
seb128and have the script use those11:06
ogra_but it seems to make flashing impossible11:06
ogra_(and mark seems to have been hit by it this week)11:06
dholbachfor me flashing works just fine11:08
ogra_dholbach, raring userspace on your PC ?11:09
dholbachyes11:09
ogra_funny11:09
seb128ogra_, can you open a bug on launchpad on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+filebug about the "would be nice to have a way to inhibit mtp mounts"11:09
ogra_i get these popups all over my screen as soon as i connect my phone11:09
ogra_yep11:09
seb128I usually get one popup when I plug the device11:10
dholbachme too11:10
seb128but then things are just fine11:10
ogra_as soon as i run adb shell i get a new one11:10
ogra_same for adb root11:10
ogra_seb128, i think it is the fact that the adb server on the desktop claims the device (and auto-respawns as soon as you run adb root)11:12
seb128ogra_, yeah, I'm not sure what to say/do there11:14
ogra_seb128, bug 1160847 (i subscribed sabdfl, since he is hit by it too)11:14
ubot5bug 1160847 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "please add an option to inhibit gvfs mtp mounts " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116084711:14
seb128ogra_, we have a similar issue with rhythmbox/gvfs11:15
ogra_seb128, i'll try to collect some info now11:15
seb128they both conflict11:15
seb128because they both try to access the device, but libmtp doesn't handle that fine11:15
ogra_yep11:15
seb128there is no "easy solution" though11:15
ogra_as i said, for recovery and bootloader mode we can catch it on the udev level11:16
seb128I guess we could11:16
ogra_i guess for the adb case we should make gvfs not spawn if it detects adb-server in the processlist of the user or some such11:16
ogra_no, we cant ... there is no way to distinguish it on the udev level for mtp vs adb ...11:17
ogra_so we need to do it one layer up i fear11:17
* ogra_ gets his raring machine and the phone 11:17
mightypixelHi!11:23
mightypixelAnyone tested ubuntu mobile on galaxy S?11:24
mightypixelany info on galaxysmtd project?11:24
ogra_seb128, soo ... as long as adb-server runs on my host PC i reliably get a new popup after 60 seconds if the phone runs ubuntu touch11:30
seb128ogra_, do you get a new device detected in syslog every minute?11:30
ogra_seb128, i think the cause is that the mtp daemon actually expects an mtp response if it detects an usb device with the android tag11:31
ogra_nothing in the logs at all11:31
ogra_neither xsession-errors, nor dmesg, nor syslog11:31
seb128hum, k11:31
seb128need debugging on the gvfs side I guess11:31
ogra_yeah11:32
ogra_i dont even need to run adb shell or anything11:32
ogra_let me see if it even happens with adb-server off11:32
ogra_yup11:33
seb128can you browse the device in nautilus?11:34
ogra_so i think the reason is simply that gvfs makes assumptions here that an adnroid device definitely is also an mtp device11:34
seb128or is the mount failing?11:34
ogra_the mount is failing11:34
seb128I guess that's the issue11:34
seb128it keeps retrying11:34
ogra_we dont ship anything mtp related on the ubuntu touch images11:34
ogra_yep11:34
ogra_i can trigger a new popup (and a reconnect) when i click the device icon in the launcher11:35
seb128hum11:35
* ogra_ has like 20 popupüs all over his desktop already :)11:35
seb128if I connect my nexus7 (which runs raring atm) I don't see anything in the launcher11:35
seb128I wonder why it's not doing the same11:35
ogra_ubuntu touch or raring desktop ?11:36
seb128raring desktop11:36
seb128but I would expect that both are similar11:36
ogra_yeah, that wont register as android device11:36
ogra_ubuntu touch runs an android core11:36
seb128oh, right11:36
ogra_ubuntu desktop is just ubuntu11:36
seb128so it's android core with mounting failing which is the problematic combinaison11:36
ogra_your dmesg output wont say "Android device" either i guess11:37
ogra_its the fact that we dont ship the mtp stuff but register as android device, yeah11:37
seb128I wonder if we should stop pretending being an android device in some way11:38
seb128or maybe we should just implement mtp support so mounting works ;-)11:38
ogra_my demsg clearly says "Product: Android" and "Manufacturer: Android"11:38
ogra_*dmesg11:38
ogra_i think that will likely make flashing fail11:39
ogra_if we ship mtp stuff ...11:39
ogra_though we will have to do it at some point11:39
ogra_but during development we cant11:39
seb128ogra_, what do you think gvfs should do? never retry if mounting failed?11:40
seb128I also wonder what changed if you said it was not doing that some weeks11:40
seb128ago11:40
ogra_yeah, thats the most intresting bit i think11:41
seb128could be a "fix" on the gvfs side that makes it retry if the mount didn't work11:43
seb128or maybe the ubuntu touch device advertize itself differently11:43
seb128ogra_, want to open another gvfs bug about "shouldn't retry mounting devices that can't be mounted"?11:43
seb128ogra_, the upstream gvfsd-mtp author reads launchpad bugs11:44
seb128he might have useful comments11:44
ogra_ok11:44
seb128thanks11:45
ogra_i also added some comments to the current bug11:47
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ogra_rsalveti, see bug 116084711:47
ubot5bug 1160847 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "please add an option to inhibit gvfs mtp mounts " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116084711:47
ogra_you probably have some useful input :)11:48
kaleo_gusch: in gallery trying to add an album11:48
kaleo_gusch: strange thing happens: tapping the "Add" toolbar action opens a mostly empty popup11:48
ogra_sergiusens, image build failed again ...11:50
kaleo_oSoMoN: on latest touch image launching the browser then tapping on the url bar: the osk goes _over_ the bar11:51
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guschkaleo_: that's the album chooser (you need to have an album before)12:13
guschkaleo_: ckpringle I need a proper design for the album chooser12:14
ckpringlekaleo_: gusch I haven't seen the latest; we certainly used to have a design for it; the visual design for the popup may have been missing12:15
oSoMoNkaleo_: on what device?12:16
guschckpringle we should look at gallery with oren, now that I work on gallery again12:17
ckpringlegusch: gallery is my responsibility, oren was making sure it worked well enough for the demo12:17
ckpringlegusch: we should have a catchup yes12:18
guschckpringle: well, then let's have a chat next week12:18
ckpringlegusch: ok12:18
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kaleo_oSoMoN: nexus 1912:19
kaleo_oSoMoN: nexus 10 :)12:19
kaleo_gusch: oh right!12:20
kaleo_gusch: I had no album so it's confusing12:20
oSoMoNkaleo_: I’ll check on mine then, looks similar to bug #1160630, could be due to a regression in the OSK itself12:21
guschkaleo_: at least a bit better than before ;)12:21
ubot5bug 1160630 in touch-preview-images "impossible to enter url into web browser on Nexus 7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116063012:21
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kaleo_gusch: yep12:27
kaleo_oSoMoN: Saviq has a OSK regression in shell too12:27
kaleo_oSoMoN: taling about it on #ubuntu-unity12:28
Saviqkaleo_, oSoMoN, yeah12:28
Saviqkaleo_, oSoMoN, the OSK doesn't report its size properly\12:28
Saviqkaleo_, so you can't see text entry in browser, and the field gets unfocused in shell12:29
oSoMoNSaviq: ah, thanks for the confirmation12:45
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SaviqoSoMoN, tmoenicke is investigating12:45
sergiusensogra_: looking12:46
sergiusensogra_: seems that it never built at offspring, going to go and talk with the pes guys12:48
ogra_great, yeah, i only tracked it down to the genreal scp error12:48
sergiusensogra_: well apparently it seems to be disabled... I re-triggered with the 1st one... this will take less than yesterday12:50
ogra_good12:50
ogra_nobody complained yet it seems :)12:51
* ogra_ sighs 12:52
zsombirenato: ping12:52
ogra_why is it so hard to find any documantation about the "server" side of mtp12:52
renatozsombi, hi13:00
zsombirenato: the next SDK release will bring major changes in theming so we need to work on the slider delegate you have in the mediaplayer13:01
zsombirenato: and about the removable list item, have you had the chance to talk about with designers?13:03
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renatozsombi, I have some changes on slider theme for indicators too13:10
zsombirenato ok, then we need to check those too13:10
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renatozsombi, what do you want from my side?13:11
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zsombirenato: wherever you use the StyleUtils module, declare properties in their root element with the styled property. For instance where you have StyledUtils.style("thumbSpacing"...), define a property for the root element called as thumbSpacing13:13
ckpringlecheers for setting that up guest1_13:15
ckpringle* gusch^13:16
ckpringlesorry guest1_13:16
zsombirenato: the other one: ComponentUtils is deprecated, so remove the occurrence of those, but check whether you have public properties they are referring to. Example: ComponentUtils.style(obj, "whatever", default) should be translated into property <type> whatever: [default-value]13:17
zsombirenato from now on styling will assign the values for these automatically13:17
renatozsombi, when the sdk will be release?13:30
zsombirenato: hopefully tomorrow, depends when the MR will be approved13:30
renatozsombi, I will try find some time to do this today13:31
renatobut I have some bugs I need to fix first13:31
renatozsombi, but I hope I can get this in the afternoon13:31
zsombirenato: the delegates will work, however the deprecated modules will be removed pretty soon13:32
janimorsalveti, dholbach sergiusens I added a new wikipage, it overlaps with Porting somewhat but useful on its own.13:32
janimohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building13:32
janimoPorting may be trimmed to not have the whole AOSP env setup included13:32
dholbachjanimo, well done13:32
dholbachmaybe we should link it from the header menu too?13:32
janimodholbach, right, I wanted a heads up first though :)13:33
janimoand did not know where the menu is kept :)13:33
dholbachjanimo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Menu - it's included from all the other Porting pages13:34
janimorsalveti, btw sideload did not work for me on grouper or mako, should it work normally? Just connection closed error or something13:34
janimodholbach, thanks, will add13:34
dholbachgreat work!13:34
ogra_janimo, btw, the Porting as well as your Building page should mention that you need openjdk6 installed13:35
ogra_else it wont be able to sign the zips13:35
janimoogra_, indeed they should if they do not already. We should probably add a section on how to install Sun JDK as that is needed13:36
ogra_no13:36
janimothat is an annoying part of AOSP build setup13:36
* sergiusens reads13:36
ogra_it isnt13:36
janimoogra_, really? That is what I read on Google's site13:36
ogra_you only need openjdk613:36
janimoogra_, ah maybe only for full Android builds not our simpler one13:36
sergiusensjanimo: openjdk works fine13:36
ogra_it just needs the java binary to run the final signing script13:36
janimosergiusens, ok, that is a relief13:36
ogra_it would even be great if we could rework that signing process at some point13:37
ogra_i doubt it actually *needs* to be java based13:37
sergiusensjanimo: ogra_ yeah, I believe you can even build full android but the _quality_ is not guaranteed13:37
sergiusensogra_: most likely doesn't13:37
ogra_yeah just a bunch of work ... for the long term plans :)13:38
hopkinskongogra_13:38
ogra_janimo, btw... sudo apt-get install livecd-rootfs; export UBNUTU_TOUCH_ANDROID=true BuildLiveCD ...13:39
hopkinskonglog is changed to alog in the ubuntu's repo13:39
ogra_janimo, that will soon do the whole build for you ;)13:39
hopkinskongbut not the origiaanl13:39
* ogra_ is just working on it 13:39
hopkinskongit said it wants to avoid conflicts with syslogd13:39
ogra_planning to land itr before the weekend13:39
tmoenicke_sergiusens: ping13:39
ogra_oh, SUBARCH=mako is missing above :)13:40
hopkinskongbut, idk how to change my kernel to use alog instead13:40
* ogra_ goes back to work on it 13:40
zsombiSaviq: ping13:41
sergiusensogra_: is that what will replace jenkins and offspring?13:41
Saviqzsombi, hey, otp13:41
sergiusenstmoenicke_: pong :-)13:41
ogra_sergiusens, that is what cdimage will call on the amd64 live builder to trigger a build, yes13:41
zsombiSaviq: ok, lemme know when you have time13:41
ogra_only for the android side yet a,d you have to call it once per subarch13:42
ogra_(and i havent tested it at all yet :) )13:42
boikokaleo_: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/unity/phablet-fix_phone_icon/+merge/15573113:48
kaleo_Saviq: you guys aware that the notepad has an empty entry in the dash (with latest image)?13:49
kaleo_boiko: thank13:49
kaleo_s13:49
Saviqkaleo_, yes, we have a MR13:50
Saviqkaleo_, but we've been blocked13:50
Saviqkaleo_, should be sorted soon13:50
kaleo_Saviq: ok13:50
kaleo_zsombi: I added 3 functional regressions in the latest comment13:57
kaleo_zsombi: test with a freshly flashed device first so that you see what the normal behaviour should be13:57
zsombikaleo_ ok13:58
kaleo_zsombi: https://pastebin.canonical.com/87884/ is a shell script that will help building the toolkit on the device13:59
kaleo_zsombi: ./run_on_device -s the first time will install all the deps14:00
kaleo_zsombi: ./run_on_device will build on the device14:00
kaleo_(run_on_device being the name of the script)14:00
kaleo_zsombi: put the script in your ubuntu-ui-toolkit folder in your computer14:00
kaleo_zsombi: and run in from there14:00
zsombikaleo_ ok, will do that14:02
rickspencer3jppiiroi1en, good morning14:14
rickspencer3bzoltan, good morning14:14
rickspencer3I'm having an issue with ParticleSystem, but I suspect it's due to how I've installed and reinstalled the sdk many times14:15
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rickspencer3good someone please look at bug #1160632 ?14:15
ubot5bug 1160632 in touch-preview-images "ParticleSystem does not work with pure QML Project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116063214:15
pmcgowanjppiiroi1en: ^^?14:19
hikikohello14:21
rickspencer3hi hikiko14:21
hikikocould you please tell me where I can find the latest ubuntu image to set up my phone and if there are any instructions?14:21
hikiko(i haven't upgrade for ages)14:21
pmcgowanhikiko: the topic has info for you14:22
hikikotrue :) sorry!14:23
jppiiroi1enrickspencer3, pmcgowan: i will look that one asap14:30
rickspencer3jppiiroi1en, thanks14:31
rickspencer3jppiiroi1en,  it would be nice to know first off if I am the only one having this problem14:31
dholbachrsalveti, sergiusens: I sent a call for updates on the redistributability front to the mailing list - it looks like a few of them are quite sure about this already14:34
dholbachrsalveti, sergiusens: do we already know how/when we can get new images created?14:34
rickspencer3looks like a lot of food changes in the change log today14:35
* rickspencer3 reflashes to today's daily14:35
dholbachrsalveti, sergiusens: I think  p6800   P760  wingray   were the ones where we had more info about the blob licenses14:37
dholbachthe others might need a bit more investigation14:37
olli_Saviq, kgunn what are the plans to get newly installed apps show up in the launcher? discussing an ETA with pmcgowan atm14:37
Saviqolli_, not in the launcher, in the apps lens - daemon tweaks are in review14:38
Saviqolli_, shell work is ongoing, ETA next week14:39
olli_pmcgowan, ^ that sounds different from what you just said14:40
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pmcgowanolli_: that sounds good14:40
pmcgowanthanks Saviq14:40
sergiusensdholbach: well we need to forward to our lawyers first, right?14:43
jhodapprobru, ping14:44
dholbachsergiusens, really?14:44
dholbachI thought we all had some collective experience with licensing already14:45
sergiusensdholbach: ok, then let me review it :-)14:46
dholbachsergiusens, let's see we get somebody's go-ahead (who has enough authority), where do we go from there?14:46
dholbachs/see/say14:46
ogra_new image is up on cdimage14:46
sergiusensdholbach: well, the android builds are moving to cdimage14:47
dholbachsergiusens, you mean the stuff which is up here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/?14:47
om26eroSoMoN, hey!14:48
sergiusensdholbach: I mean, the location where the build takes place :-)14:48
sergiusensdholbach: also read as: I'm losing control ;-)14:49
ogra_dholbach, non nexus devices dont have approved licenses at all14:50
ogra_we cant just pout that stuff on cdimage14:50
genii-aroundI find "pout" strangely apt.14:51
dholbachogra_, of course we need to look over it carefully - this is what this discussion is about14:51
ogra_dholbach, the plan was to import all source changes into our tree, but for building images we would need approval for binary drivers14:51
dholbachogra_, I don't know if you read the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/wingray for example - it looks encouraging14:51
ogra_which means 80% of the images wont be buildable14:52
ogra_since there simply dont exist licenses for the devices14:52
dholbachogra_, I never said "build all images for all the stuff which is mentioned on the wiki somewhere" :)14:52
oSoMoNom26er: hey14:52
ogra_dholbach, also note that one build for one device takes 20min ...14:52
dholbachyes, you mentioned that the last time14:52
ogra_dholbach, we are already over 2h for the nexus buiulds14:53
om26eroSoMoN, is the chewie-client working on raring ?14:53
sergiusensdholbach: ogra_ if its once a week, we will have that capacity in jenkins at least for a weekly build14:53
ogra_sergiusens, dholbach, iirc rsalveti proposed to build the non nexus images  in jenkins14:53
oSoMoNom26er: no idea, that’s a question for renato14:53
ogra_when we discussed it last time14:53
dholbachogra_, that sounds like a separate problem to me - I'm sure you'd agree that having easily testable images would have lots of benefits for us14:54
sergiusensogra_: ok, any notes or email on that?14:54
ogra_dholbach, sure, if we can distribute them14:54
dholbachif we don't have enough capacities we should talk about that somewhere14:54
dholbachogra_, yes, of course only if we can14:54
ogra_sergiusens, nope, was an IRC discussion about adding the xoom14:54
ogra_dholbach, well talk to legal :) i'm sure they are thrilled to contact samsung :P14:54
ogra_to get licenses for stuff that doesnt even have any licensing (like the mali drivers)14:55
om26errenato, ^^14:55
sergiusensom26er: it's packaged14:56
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cyphermoxsergiusens: hey14:57
sergiusensom26er: working is another thing ;-)14:57
sergiusenscyphermox: hey14:57
om26ersergiusens, yes it is, but is it actually showing some data, to be more specific14:57
cyphermoxsergiusens: I sent three patches on the ML, I haven't heard back about them. any idea if someone has started a review?14:57
om26ersergiusens, i was looking to add autopilot testing to the chewie-client but its pretty empty14:58
sergiusensom26er: haven't tried yet, haven't bootstrapped everything for raring yet14:59
sergiusenscyphermox: to the ubuntu-phone list?14:59
sergiusenscyphermox: and for android/git? I'll take a look14:59
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cyphermoxyes14:59
sergiusenscyphermox: found them, I'll review and test and apply or come back to you15:00
jppiiroi1enrickspencer3: i wrote a comment to the bug report, could you try if that example works for you?15:07
rickspencer3thanks jppiiroi1en15:07
jppiiroi1enrickspencer3: but i did noticed that some highlights were in the qtc15:07
rickspencer3I'll try it out soon15:07
asr33https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/unity/phablet-fix_phone_icon/+merge/15573115:11
asr33sorry15:11
rickspencer3pmcgowan, so, how do I activate the new keyboard?15:16
pmcgowantmoenicke is it possible to use the alternate plugin yet15:16
pmcgowantmoenicke_ ^^15:17
tmoenicke_pmcgowan: i'm working on it15:17
rickspencer3is that a "not yet"?15:18
guschrenato: added some questions here https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/camera-app/fix-1130342/+merge/15563315:18
tmoenicke_rickspencer3: yes15:18
rickspencer3thanks tmoenicke15:19
rickspencer3thanks tmoenicke_15:19
rickspencer3;)15:19
rickspencer3thanks both of you15:19
tmoenickeboth :)15:19
bfillerpmcgowan, tmoenicke : blueprint for osk tracking created here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-apps-osk work items will get filled in today15:26
tmoenickeok great15:26
oSoMoNbfiller: hey, QtWebKit is only built for quantal in the phablet-team PPA, not for raring, is that known/taken care of?15:30
bfilleroSoMoN: we're cutting over to use the 5.0.1 version which should now be in the qt5-proper ppa and built for quantal and raring15:31
oSoMoNbfiller: right, thanks15:31
bfilleroSoMoN: althought don't see the raring version there (:15:32
oSoMoNbfiller: it’s currently building (for armhf): https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta-proper/+build/440469815:33
bfillermaybe because in the raring archive already, check with Mirv15:33
bfillerMirv: will you copy the raring versions of all qt 5.0.1 into qt5-proper as well as we'll be doing raring builds soon. unless the raring version have already landend in the archive then we don't need them in the ppa.15:37
zer0painHi all15:59
zer0paincan anyone help me with one install16:00
zer0paini want to install ubuntu touch on my HTC HD MINI16:00
zer0painIt is possible ?16:00
ogra_zer0pain, if it isnt already on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ... you might need to port it yourself (or find someone to do it for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting)16:02
zer0painok but if i have any problems can you help me a little16:03
ogra_me or one of the other 275 people in here :)16:04
ogra_thjast what this channel is for ;)16:04
ogra_*thats16:04
ogra_there is also the mailing list16:04
zer0painok thanks16:04
sergiusensSaviq: I don't recall where unity-lens-mock lives16:11
sergiusensSaviq: do you?16:11
Saviqsergiusens, branch?16:12
sergiusensSaviq: yeah16:12
Saviqsergiusens, it might only live here lp:~saviq/manhattan/unity-lens-mock still16:12
sergiusensSaviq: hmmm, and we do need it, right?16:12
Saviqsergiusens, we're using it currently16:12
Saviqsergiusens, and it will remain so for some time still16:13
sergiusenskenvandine: can we set this up lp:~saviq/manhattan/unity-lens-mock in lp:phablet-extras/unity-lens-mock ?16:13
sergiusenskenvandine: oh wait, I just noticed I can register series there, I'll do it16:14
sergiusensSaviq: lp:phablet-extras/unity-lens-mock16:18
Saviqsergiusens, cheers16:18
eskimoehello all just wanted to see if anyone knows if there will be a beta release for 13.04 on nexus 7 soon?16:52
eskimoeradiotray isnt bad for streaming radio stations16:57
pmcgowaneskimoe: yes the port to 13.04 is being done now17:07
pmcgowanor rebase17:07
robrujhodapp, pong17:13
jhodapprobru, so we shouldn't be building cameraplugin-aal for anything other than armhf17:15
jhodapprobru: I completely forgot about that...there is no fix for those build issues...it's highly dependent on it being armhf17:15
ajovanov93QML QQuickImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://gicon/gtk-go-back17:15
ajovanov93anyone know why17:15
robrujhodapp, you're sure it has absolutely no application to the desktop?17:15
ajovanov93gtk-go-up works well17:16
jhodapprobru, positive17:16
jhodapprobru: same goes for qtubuntu-media17:16
robrujhodapp, alright then, thanks. not even armel? armhf only?17:16
jhodapprobru, well both arm types, yes17:16
robrujhodapp, alright17:16
jhodapprobru, on the desktop, the apps would use the gstreamer equivalent17:17
robrujhodapp, hmmmm, ok. is there any way to converge these things? or is this just a hardware-ish thing that's just going to be forever incompatible?17:18
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Deathbladhello all !17:29
oakingtonHello all17:50
oakingtonquick question....please don't flame17:50
oakingtontoro supported17:51
oakington?17:51
ogra_see ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net,17:52
ogra_err17:52
ogra_sorry, broken paste17:53
ogra_oakington, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices17:53
oakingtonogra_: Thanks17:53
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jhodapprobru, sorry, the convergence is through the qtmultimedia api18:19
robrujhodapp, ah, ok18:20
robrujhodapp, thanks18:20
jhodapprobru, but yes, in general each type of plugin is specific to where it gets deployed18:20
ogra_jhodapp, note that we will likely usen an x86 android for the emulator (and for entering the ubuntu archive your apps should build on all arches anyway)18:21
ogra_*use18:22
jhodappogra_, the apps definitely build on all arches, but these are more backend plugins18:22
ogra_which you want to be able to run on an x86 android emulator or intel android based tablet ....18:23
jhodappogra_, but if we still want everything to always compile on those 3 mains architectures, then we need to file a bug report because there's some work to be done still...they won't compile successfully today due to OpenGL differences18:23
ogra_jhodapp, right, so there should be a bug open for that ...18:24
* ogra_ finds it funny that he fought for four years to make armhf a first class citizen in ubuntu ... now that it is one it seems like i need to fight for intel to not be fogotten :)18:25
jhodappogra_, lol18:26
ogra_i dont mean you need to make it work, buut such issues need to be noted down in bugs so someone can attack it at some point ...18:27
jhodappogra_, well it just hasn't been clearly defined is what the problem is...we should work to make what archs should be supported clearly known to all developers participating.18:27
ogra_well, x86 and arm ... i think we can ignore PPC for now since its focus is rather on the server ...18:28
jhodappindeed18:28
jhodappogra_, but I've never heard an official word to support i386, arm(hf/el) and amd64 except through people going back trying to enable all of the packages to work on these18:29
ogra_once your package enters the archive it should at least be documented whats missing18:29
jhodappogra_, and I know I'm not the only one18:29
ogra_its a general rule in ubuntu ... packages in the archive should build on all available arches ... if they dont, thats a bug and should be fixed18:30
jhodappogra_, yeah, I'm new to working on Ubuntu in general :)18:30
ogra_yup, i understand :)18:31
jhodappogra_, but it's a valid point still, and we should make sure everyone understands this18:32
ogra_right ...18:32
ogra_as for the GL differences, i guess there is a mesa package you could depend on to at least get it to build18:33
jhodappogra_, probably18:33
ogra_it wont perform great indeed ... but you should get the needed headers and apis18:33
ogra_(thats how most of the hardcoded  x86 OpenGL stuff is built on armhf)18:34
jhodappogra_, ok, good to know18:34
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streulmaI love my Android!18:49
streulmawill Ubuntu run on my s3?18:50
streulmawhere can I get a version18:50
ogra_streulma, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices18:52
streulmayeah no s3 :(18:59
ogra_i see two on progress there19:02
mhall119popey: initial docs for u1db-qt are available at http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/u1db-qt/u1db-qt-cheatsheet.html19:30
mhall119popey: there's a new bzr revision of the package branch, but it's not in the PPA yet19:33
mhall119pmcgowan: ping19:50
pmcgowanhi mhall11919:51
mhall119hi pmcgowan, I'm setting up milestones for the coreapps development, and I was wondering if you had some scheduled for the phablet that we could sync up with19:54
mhall119right now all I have is our alpha-1 target on May 16th, and a general series goal of 13.1019:54
dmj_novaDoes anyone know how to play video using QT5 and QML?19:57
pmcgowanmhall119: we are going to have monthly targets, so would be good to do the same19:57
pmcgowan13-05, 13-06 etc19:57
dmj_novaThere seem to be issues with video decoding with QtMultimedia and QtWebkit on raring19:58
mhall119pmcgowan: ok, but not other major milestones?19:58
mhall119dmj_nova: video decoding, or flash?19:58
dmj_novawebm and h264 videos19:59
dmj_novacould be others as well, but that's what I've tested19:59
mhall119jhodapp: ^^ is this something in your area of expertise?19:59
pmcgowanmhall119: not that I know of, like what?19:59
mhall119pmcgowan: alphas/betas that kind of thing20:00
mhall119pmcgowan: or any event targets where we want some specific functionality to show off20:00
jhodappdmj_nova, mhall119: what kind of issues are you seeing?20:00
pmcgowanmhall119: not at this point20:00
mhall119pmcgowan: ok, I'll setup monthly milestones then, thanks20:01
pmcgowanmhall119: do you want to target ubuntu milestones? I am not sure whats appropriate20:01
mhall119pmcgowan: I'm not either, we can always re-arrange later if we need to20:02
dmj_novaIf I create a Video widget using QML, it gives a codec not found error (video plays fine in both VLC and Totem), and if I play the same in QtWebkit Widget as a <video> tag, it plays as a blank white box with audio but no video20:02
dmj_novajhodapp:20:02
jhodappdmj_nova, first I'd figure out which qtmultimedia plugin it's trying to use...should be gstreamer20:03
sergiusensawe: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-extras/mountall/+merge/15584320:03
awek20:03
dmj_novajhodapp: How does one figure this out?20:03
jhodappdmj_nova, then if you can prove it's gstreamer, trying running your app with "GST_DEBUG=3 ./my_app" and see what you get20:03
jhodappdmj_nova, well it could hurt to try the GST_DEBUG route first...if you get any gstreamer debug output then you know for sure20:04
dmj_novawould qmlscene be doing anything odd here?20:04
jhodappdmj_nova, couldn't, err20:04
jhodappdmj_nova, not sure, I don't have any experience with qmlscene20:04
jhodappdmj_nova, try creating a MediaPlayer widget as another test20:05
dmj_novapaste.ubuntu.com/5653285/20:05
jhodappdmj_nova, how'd you run your app?20:06
dmj_novaqtcreator20:06
jhodappdmj_nova, try the full MediaPlayer widget approach20:07
dmj_novajhodapp: I'll try that and see what happens20:08
dmj_novajhodapp: I get audio, but no video20:10
dmj_novajust a black region20:10
jhodappnow run from the command line with GST_DEBUG=320:10
mhall119popey: blueprints have all been moved and re-targeted20:11
popeymhall119: nice one!20:15
mhall119popey: I've also setup monthly milestones from month-0 (April) to month-6 (October)20:16
mhall119so alpha-1 has become coreapps-13.10-month-120:16
mhall119now we just need cjohnston to set us up on status.u.c20:17
dmj_novajhodapp: okay, so I'm definitely getting output from gstreamer here20:18
jhodappdmj_nova, then my guess is you don't have the right gstreamer plugins20:19
dmj_novajhodapp: huh20:19
dmj_novaIt's strange since both said media plays in totem20:19
popeymhall119: great, thank you!20:19
jhodappdmj_nova, make sure it's not trying to use gstreamer1.0 vs 0.10 (or vice versa)20:19
jhodappdmj_nova, and if you can, paste the entire output with GST_DEBUG to pastebin for me to see20:20
dmj_novaoh...it's using 0.1020:20
dmj_novapaste.ubuntu.com/565332520:21
awesergiusens, did you already overwrite lp:phablet-extras/mountall?20:22
aweI just pulled it, and it looks like the raring tip20:22
jhodappdmj_nova, yeah it looks like it's having trouble demultiplexing the qt container for some reason20:24
jhodappdmj_nova, also look at line 34120:25
jhodappdmj_nova, that's the issue20:25
jhodappdmj_nova, you are missing the h264 decoder element20:26
dmj_novajhodapp: Ah, yeah now I see the problem20:28
dmj_novaqt5 and qtwebkit are both stuck on gstreamer 0.1020:28
jhodappdmj_nova, yes20:28
dmj_novawhich is weird and kinda backwards, since everyone else has moved on20:28
jhodappdmj_nova, I'm not sure if the qgstreamer qtmultimedia plugin supports gstreamer1.0 or not, haven't tried it yet20:29
dmj_novaHopefully that gets fixed soonish20:29
jhodappdmj_nova, well it may work, it might just be using your gstreamer0.10 installation by default20:29
sergiusensawe: yes20:29
sergiusensawe: old one is in lp:phablet-extras/mountall-quantal20:29
aweso where's the quantal branch?20:29
dmj_novajhodapp: Not even sure I *had* a 0.10 installation until this point given I'm on raring20:30
aweah, I tried lp:~phablet-team/phablet-extras/mountall-quantal20:30
aweoops, I used -raring20:30
jhodappdmj_nova, yeah, both are able to be installed in parallel on raring20:30
aweno wonder it didn't work.  duh20:30
jhodappdmj_nova, try a test then, purge the gstreamer0.10 packages20:31
sergiusensawe: scared me for a bit :-p20:31
dmj_novajhodapp: True, was just saying I think all the default apps that depend on gstreamer use 1.0 now20:31
* sergiusens just checked http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-extras/mountall-quantal/files20:31
jhodappdmj_nova, you'll know quickly if it can use gstreamer1.0 then :)20:31
jhodappdmj_nova, I'm not even sure that's true yet20:32
mterryseb128, you available for NEW reviews today/tomorrow?20:32
dmj_novajhodapp: hmm google search reveals that gstreamer 1.0 port isn't ready yet.20:34
seb128mterry, yes20:34
jhodappdmj_nova, got a link to that, I'm also curious about that state given some of the research I'm in the middle of20:34
awesergiusens, mountall happroved20:35
mterryseb128, OK, I have a couple deps of the touch stack I may push in.  (qtpim and some qt-telepathy stuff)  We have a standing FFe for such things, so should just need FFe20:35
seb128"just need NEW" you mean?20:36
mterryseb128, heh, yes20:36
mterryseb128, getting near EOD for me apparently20:36
dmj_novajhodapp: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10666920:36
ubot5bugs.webkit.org bug 106669 in WebKit Qt "[Qt] Switch to GStreamer 1.0" [Normal,New]20:36
seb128mterry, hum, it's near EOD for you and I'm still around, I should maybe call it a day :p20:36
seb128mterry, joke aside just upload, I will do a NEW round tomorrow morning20:36
* ogra_ laughs20:36
mterryseb128, k  :)20:37
seb128ogra_, nothing like the good old times20:37
ogra_hehe, yeah20:37
sergiusensawe: thanks20:37
ogra_when we were young and beautiful20:37
jhodappdmj_nova, that's for qtwebkit...that's not qgstreamer20:37
dmj_novajhodapp: ah right20:38
seb128lol20:38
dmj_novaI was trying both ways last night20:38
jhodappok20:38
slangasekmzanetti: hi20:41
mzanettislangasek: hi20:42
dmj_novajhodapp: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69593420:42
ubot5Gnome bug 695934 in qt-gstreamer "Split QtGLib and QtGStreamer" [Enhancement,Assigned]20:42
slangasekmzanetti: hello!  mterry suggested you might be able to help us get a merge review on https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/platform-api/inline-packaging/+merge/153874 from the phablet-team20:42
slangasekmzanetti: there was a lot of discussion on the merge between didrocks and rsalveti, but IIRC rsalveti is on vacation and didrocks isn't part of the phablet team, so neither helps us actually get it merged at present :)20:43
mterrymzanetti, I think the questions about architecture have been resolved and/or can be dealt with separately from that branch20:43
jhodappthanks dmj_nova20:44
mzanettihmm... jhodapp, who would be best for a review for platform-api?20:44
mzanettislangasek: mterry: I have never touched that package before... so I'm probably not the right one either.20:45
mterrymzanetti, doh, sorry, thought you had20:46
mzanettimterry: no problem... I'm just thinking who could... sergiusens should know20:46
mzanettimterry: I'm checking your greeter MP right now20:47
mterrysergiusens, ^ could you review the platform-api branch20:47
jhodappmzanetti, for an MR?20:48
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mzanettijhodapp: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/platform-api/inline-packaging/+merge/15387420:49
sergiusensmterry: yes20:49
sergiusensmterry: how urgent?20:49
jhodappmzanetti, since it's packaging stuff, I'd run it past sergiusens20:50
mterrysergiusens, this week?20:50
sergiusensmterry: good, I'll do it later tonight or tomorrow in the morning20:50
mterrysergiusens, awesome, thanks!20:50
mterryslangasek, ^20:50
Guest93567how to install ubuntu touch on galaxy nexus without active internet connection?20:50
sergiusensGuest93567: download full contents into a directory, then use the -p option in phablet-flash20:51
slangaseksergiusens: you rock20:51
Guest93567sergiusens: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/  from here? any specific folder name or something like that?20:53
sergiusensGuest93567: no specific folder... so if you want that one use that one, if you want the latest, grab http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ ... you probably do want this one20:55
sergiusensGuest93567: or you can deploy manually if you want20:56
sergiusensslangasek: not sure about that, but thanks :-)20:56
Guest93567sergiusens: thanks a lot. The only internet connection I have is from tethering my Galaxy Nexus. Was in a fix how to use phablet-tools20:57
Guest93567:-)20:57
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RobbyFyeah, raring just around the corner.21:52
achiangsergiusens: ping, about?22:00
aweachiang, haven't seem him in awhile...22:06
achiangawe: cool, thanks. low prio thing. wondering if he would object to me twiddling about in phablet-flash some more and changing the subprocess.check_open() calls to subprocess.Popen() instead ;)22:07
aweachiang, k, sounds like fun22:15
achiangthe sarcasm is palpable ;)22:16
sergiusensawe: will check when I get back22:23
sergiusensachiang: sure, what's your timeframe?22:23
achiangsergiusens: no rush, i'm still experimenting anyway. sorry for the noise. :)22:24
sergiusensachiang: np... I'll bbl, but will check on what you do if anything is done today22:27
achiangsergiusens: probably not, i'm wrestling with Qt5 today :)22:27
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lessenthi all..23:39
RobbyFHi.23:40
lessenti have a question.. pls help me.. how can i develop ubuntu touch with python or can we write with python for ubuntu touch?23:40
RobbyFI personally know nothing about that.23:41
RobbyFsomeone here will know the answer. I assume you've visited the porting site? in topic23:41
netcurlihttp://askubuntu.com/questions/235369/can-i-develop-ubuntu-for-phones-apps-in-python23:43
lessentthanx..23:43
netcurliso: theoretically yes23:44
netcurliif you have qt5 bindings for python23:44
lessenthow do i do it?23:46
lessentqt5 doesnt work stabily..23:48
bef0rdqt5 is stable, and all ubuntu phone stuff is qt523:50
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lessentit doesnt work when i update qt523:51
lessentso i removed qt5 and install again..23:51
lessentno more update..23:51
lessentso how can i get PyQT or PySide23:52

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