[00:35] awe: url? [00:50] lool, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-telephony-stack [01:40] worst [01:40] birthday [01:40] ever [01:48] dank101, Happy Birthday my friend [01:48] thanks [01:48] bad day? [01:49] what wasn't bad [01:50] my brother can't get a TRAIN home till the 11th [01:50] life decided to be a B*tch [01:50] etc etc etc [01:56] gotcha === jono is now known as Guest2834 === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [02:51] hello [02:53] any stable download servers for lg betas === ironhalik_ is now known as ironhalik [05:45] Hi [06:13] Qt 5.0.1 now available to all PPA users as well, similar to Ubuntu 13.04 development version users === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [07:36] good morning === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:12] Did anyone try to add a contact? I can't seem to find the way to continue after I filled in the details [08:12] oh nm, you have to hide the onscreen keyboard first, then bring out the menu from below === liecno_ is now known as liecno [08:24] http://i.imgur.com/gz4N8yg.jpg [08:25] \o/ === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [09:23] ogra_, ping [09:28] Hi folks, I am not able to boot current build on ac100. Stil finishing in black screen === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [09:38] ogra_, ping [09:50] can someone with a Nexus 7 confirm bug #1160630 ? [09:50] bug 1160630 in touch-preview-images "impossible to enter url into web browser on Nexus 7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160630 === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [09:56] I don't seem to have the problem described in bug #1160630 on my Nexus 7. [09:56] bug 1160630 in touch-preview-images "impossible to enter url into web browser on Nexus 7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160630 === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [10:08] hi! :) [10:08] anyone can tell me about the progress of ubuntu touch on nexus 7? [10:09] Is there any changelog? :) === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [10:42] seb128, do you or some in your team have a nexus 10 that you are flashing regularly? [10:43] victorp, no, I don't know of anyone in our team who has one, we have nexus7 devices and some got a nexus4 [10:44] seb128, oh ok. I will put it on the shopping list :) [10:44] bl4de: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled.changelog [10:44] victorp, thanks ;-) [10:52] victorp, hey [10:52] tvoss, pong [10:52] sergiusens, thanks!!! :) [11:00] seb128, do you know when we added the gvfs mtp backends ? that causes massive havoc when flashing [11:01] ogra_, jan 18 [11:01] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/1.15.2-0ubuntu1 [11:01] * ogra_ wonders about a way to fix that ... you can flash at all while gvfs mtp stuff is running and your desktop gets filled with popups like crazy [11:01] weird, i only see it since a few days [11:02] seb128, any idea what we could do about that ? [11:02] what's the issue exactly? [11:02] gvfs detecting the device and automounting it as a mtp mount? [11:02] mtp reconnects all the time if phablet-flash tries to flash the device [11:02] that breaks both in the end [11:03] does that make the device to be removed and redetected by the kernel/udev? [11:03] seemingly ... i have to test if that happens actually on such a low level ... [11:04] I don't see a reason for gvfs to do stuff if it doesn't see a new device [11:04] in recovery mode the device shows up with a different ID, so we can catch that and avoid mtp ... but for flashing it needs to be in "normal" mode [11:04] and phablet-flash then puts it in adb root mode .... which apparently causes mtp to reconnect [11:04] which in turn kills pahblet-flash ... [11:05] not sure what changed [11:05] so you end with an endless loop of these two userspace tools trying to claim the device [11:05] we had the mtp mounts happening for quite some time [11:05] it never broke the install afaik [11:06] I guess we would need to add some inhibitor to gvfs [11:06] probably a udev change .... it surely didnt happen to me between jan 18 and ... say a week or two ago [11:06] and have the script use those [11:06] but it seems to make flashing impossible [11:06] (and mark seems to have been hit by it this week) [11:08] for me flashing works just fine [11:09] dholbach, raring userspace on your PC ? [11:09] yes [11:09] funny [11:09] ogra_, can you open a bug on launchpad on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+filebug about the "would be nice to have a way to inhibit mtp mounts" [11:09] i get these popups all over my screen as soon as i connect my phone [11:09] yep [11:10] I usually get one popup when I plug the device [11:10] me too [11:10] but then things are just fine [11:10] as soon as i run adb shell i get a new one [11:10] same for adb root [11:12] seb128, i think it is the fact that the adb server on the desktop claims the device (and auto-respawns as soon as you run adb root) [11:14] ogra_, yeah, I'm not sure what to say/do there [11:14] seb128, bug 1160847 (i subscribed sabdfl, since he is hit by it too) [11:14] bug 1160847 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "please add an option to inhibit gvfs mtp mounts " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160847 [11:15] ogra_, we have a similar issue with rhythmbox/gvfs [11:15] seb128, i'll try to collect some info now [11:15] they both conflict [11:15] because they both try to access the device, but libmtp doesn't handle that fine [11:15] yep [11:15] there is no "easy solution" though [11:16] as i said, for recovery and bootloader mode we can catch it on the udev level [11:16] I guess we could [11:16] i guess for the adb case we should make gvfs not spawn if it detects adb-server in the processlist of the user or some such [11:17] no, we cant ... there is no way to distinguish it on the udev level for mtp vs adb ... [11:17] so we need to do it one layer up i fear [11:17] * ogra_ gets his raring machine and the phone [11:23] Hi! [11:24] Anyone tested ubuntu mobile on galaxy S? [11:24] any info on galaxysmtd project? [11:30] seb128, soo ... as long as adb-server runs on my host PC i reliably get a new popup after 60 seconds if the phone runs ubuntu touch [11:30] ogra_, do you get a new device detected in syslog every minute? [11:31] seb128, i think the cause is that the mtp daemon actually expects an mtp response if it detects an usb device with the android tag [11:31] nothing in the logs at all [11:31] neither xsession-errors, nor dmesg, nor syslog [11:31] hum, k [11:31] need debugging on the gvfs side I guess [11:32] yeah [11:32] i dont even need to run adb shell or anything [11:32] let me see if it even happens with adb-server off [11:33] yup [11:34] can you browse the device in nautilus? [11:34] so i think the reason is simply that gvfs makes assumptions here that an adnroid device definitely is also an mtp device [11:34] or is the mount failing? [11:34] the mount is failing [11:34] I guess that's the issue [11:34] it keeps retrying [11:34] we dont ship anything mtp related on the ubuntu touch images [11:34] yep [11:35] i can trigger a new popup (and a reconnect) when i click the device icon in the launcher [11:35] hum [11:35] * ogra_ has like 20 popupüs all over his desktop already :) [11:35] if I connect my nexus7 (which runs raring atm) I don't see anything in the launcher [11:35] I wonder why it's not doing the same [11:36] ubuntu touch or raring desktop ? [11:36] raring desktop [11:36] but I would expect that both are similar [11:36] yeah, that wont register as android device [11:36] ubuntu touch runs an android core [11:36] oh, right [11:36] ubuntu desktop is just ubuntu [11:36] so it's android core with mounting failing which is the problematic combinaison [11:37] your dmesg output wont say "Android device" either i guess [11:37] its the fact that we dont ship the mtp stuff but register as android device, yeah [11:38] I wonder if we should stop pretending being an android device in some way [11:38] or maybe we should just implement mtp support so mounting works ;-) [11:38] my demsg clearly says "Product: Android" and "Manufacturer: Android" [11:38] *dmesg [11:39] i think that will likely make flashing fail [11:39] if we ship mtp stuff ... [11:39] though we will have to do it at some point [11:39] but during development we cant [11:40] ogra_, what do you think gvfs should do? never retry if mounting failed? [11:40] I also wonder what changed if you said it was not doing that some weeks [11:40] ago [11:41] yeah, thats the most intresting bit i think [11:43] could be a "fix" on the gvfs side that makes it retry if the mount didn't work [11:43] or maybe the ubuntu touch device advertize itself differently [11:43] ogra_, want to open another gvfs bug about "shouldn't retry mounting devices that can't be mounted"? [11:44] ogra_, the upstream gvfsd-mtp author reads launchpad bugs [11:44] he might have useful comments [11:44] ok [11:45] thanks [11:47] i also added some comments to the current bug === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [11:47] rsalveti, see bug 1160847 [11:47] bug 1160847 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "please add an option to inhibit gvfs mtp mounts " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160847 [11:48] you probably have some useful input :) [11:48] gusch: in gallery trying to add an album [11:48] gusch: strange thing happens: tapping the "Add" toolbar action opens a mostly empty popup [11:50] sergiusens, image build failed again ... [11:51] oSoMoN: on latest touch image launching the browser then tapping on the url bar: the osk goes _over_ the bar === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === jpetersen_ is now known as jpetersen [12:13] kaleo_: that's the album chooser (you need to have an album before) [12:14] kaleo_: ckpringle I need a proper design for the album chooser [12:15] kaleo_: gusch I haven't seen the latest; we certainly used to have a design for it; the visual design for the popup may have been missing [12:16] kaleo_: on what device? [12:17] ckpringle we should look at gallery with oren, now that I work on gallery again [12:17] gusch: gallery is my responsibility, oren was making sure it worked well enough for the demo [12:18] gusch: we should have a catchup yes [12:18] ckpringle: well, then let's have a chat next week [12:18] gusch: ok === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:19] oSoMoN: nexus 19 [12:19] oSoMoN: nexus 10 :) [12:20] gusch: oh right! [12:20] gusch: I had no album so it's confusing [12:21] kaleo_: I’ll check on mine then, looks similar to bug #1160630, could be due to a regression in the OSK itself [12:21] kaleo_: at least a bit better than before ;) [12:21] bug 1160630 in touch-preview-images "impossible to enter url into web browser on Nexus 7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160630 === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [12:27] gusch: yep [12:27] oSoMoN: Saviq has a OSK regression in shell too [12:28] oSoMoN: taling about it on #ubuntu-unity [12:28] kaleo_, oSoMoN, yeah [12:28] kaleo_, oSoMoN, the OSK doesn't report its size properly\ [12:29] kaleo_, so you can't see text entry in browser, and the field gets unfocused in shell [12:45] Saviq: ah, thanks for the confirmation === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader [12:45] oSoMoN, tmoenicke is investigating [12:46] ogra_: looking [12:48] ogra_: seems that it never built at offspring, going to go and talk with the pes guys [12:48] great, yeah, i only tracked it down to the genreal scp error [12:50] ogra_: well apparently it seems to be disabled... I re-triggered with the 1st one... this will take less than yesterday [12:50] good [12:51] nobody complained yet it seems :) [12:52] * ogra_ sighs [12:52] renato: ping [12:52] why is it so hard to find any documantation about the "server" side of mtp [13:00] zsombi, hi [13:01] renato: the next SDK release will bring major changes in theming so we need to work on the slider delegate you have in the mediaplayer [13:03] renato: and about the removable list item, have you had the chance to talk about with designers? === timchen`` is now known as timchen119 [13:10] zsombi, I have some changes on slider theme for indicators too [13:10] renato ok, then we need to check those too === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:11] zsombi, what do you want from my side? === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [13:13] renato: wherever you use the StyleUtils module, declare properties in their root element with the styled property. For instance where you have StyledUtils.style("thumbSpacing"...), define a property for the root element called as thumbSpacing [13:15] cheers for setting that up guest1_ [13:16] * gusch^ [13:16] sorry guest1_ [13:17] renato: the other one: ComponentUtils is deprecated, so remove the occurrence of those, but check whether you have public properties they are referring to. Example: ComponentUtils.style(obj, "whatever", default) should be translated into property whatever: [default-value] [13:17] renato from now on styling will assign the values for these automatically [13:30] zsombi, when the sdk will be release? [13:30] renato: hopefully tomorrow, depends when the MR will be approved [13:31] zsombi, I will try find some time to do this today [13:31] but I have some bugs I need to fix first [13:31] zsombi, but I hope I can get this in the afternoon [13:32] renato: the delegates will work, however the deprecated modules will be removed pretty soon [13:32] rsalveti, dholbach sergiusens I added a new wikipage, it overlaps with Porting somewhat but useful on its own. [13:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building [13:32] Porting may be trimmed to not have the whole AOSP env setup included [13:32] janimo, well done [13:32] maybe we should link it from the header menu too? [13:33] dholbach, right, I wanted a heads up first though :) [13:33] and did not know where the menu is kept :) [13:34] janimo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Menu - it's included from all the other Porting pages [13:34] rsalveti, btw sideload did not work for me on grouper or mako, should it work normally? Just connection closed error or something [13:34] dholbach, thanks, will add [13:34] great work! [13:35] janimo, btw, the Porting as well as your Building page should mention that you need openjdk6 installed [13:35] else it wont be able to sign the zips [13:36] ogra_, indeed they should if they do not already. We should probably add a section on how to install Sun JDK as that is needed [13:36] no [13:36] that is an annoying part of AOSP build setup [13:36] * sergiusens reads [13:36] it isnt [13:36] ogra_, really? That is what I read on Google's site [13:36] you only need openjdk6 [13:36] ogra_, ah maybe only for full Android builds not our simpler one [13:36] janimo: openjdk works fine [13:36] it just needs the java binary to run the final signing script [13:36] sergiusens, ok, that is a relief [13:37] it would even be great if we could rework that signing process at some point [13:37] i doubt it actually *needs* to be java based [13:37] janimo: ogra_ yeah, I believe you can even build full android but the _quality_ is not guaranteed [13:37] ogra_: most likely doesn't [13:38] yeah just a bunch of work ... for the long term plans :) [13:38] ogra_ [13:39] janimo, btw... sudo apt-get install livecd-rootfs; export UBNUTU_TOUCH_ANDROID=true BuildLiveCD ... [13:39] log is changed to alog in the ubuntu's repo [13:39] janimo, that will soon do the whole build for you ;) [13:39] but not the origiaanl [13:39] * ogra_ is just working on it [13:39] it said it wants to avoid conflicts with syslogd [13:39] planning to land itr before the weekend [13:39] sergiusens: ping [13:40] oh, SUBARCH=mako is missing above :) [13:40] but, idk how to change my kernel to use alog instead [13:40] * ogra_ goes back to work on it [13:41] Saviq: ping [13:41] ogra_: is that what will replace jenkins and offspring? [13:41] zsombi, hey, otp [13:41] tmoenicke_: pong :-) [13:41] sergiusens, that is what cdimage will call on the amd64 live builder to trigger a build, yes [13:41] Saviq: ok, lemme know when you have time [13:42] only for the android side yet a,d you have to call it once per subarch [13:42] (and i havent tested it at all yet :) ) [13:48] kaleo_: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/unity/phablet-fix_phone_icon/+merge/155731 [13:49] Saviq: you guys aware that the notepad has an empty entry in the dash (with latest image)? [13:49] boiko: thank [13:49] s [13:50] kaleo_, yes, we have a MR [13:50] kaleo_, but we've been blocked [13:50] kaleo_, should be sorted soon [13:50] Saviq: ok [13:57] zsombi: I added 3 functional regressions in the latest comment [13:57] zsombi: test with a freshly flashed device first so that you see what the normal behaviour should be [13:58] kaleo_ ok [13:59] zsombi: https://pastebin.canonical.com/87884/ is a shell script that will help building the toolkit on the device [14:00] zsombi: ./run_on_device -s the first time will install all the deps [14:00] zsombi: ./run_on_device will build on the device [14:00] (run_on_device being the name of the script) [14:00] zsombi: put the script in your ubuntu-ui-toolkit folder in your computer [14:00] zsombi: and run in from there [14:02] kaleo_ ok, will do that [14:14] jppiiroi1en, good morning [14:14] bzoltan, good morning [14:15] I'm having an issue with ParticleSystem, but I suspect it's due to how I've installed and reinstalled the sdk many times === lubuntu is now known as Guest57917 [14:15] good someone please look at bug #1160632 ? [14:15] bug 1160632 in touch-preview-images "ParticleSystem does not work with pure QML Project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1160632 [14:19] jppiiroi1en: ^^? [14:21] hello [14:21] hi hikiko [14:21] could you please tell me where I can find the latest ubuntu image to set up my phone and if there are any instructions? [14:21] (i haven't upgrade for ages) [14:22] hikiko: the topic has info for you [14:23] true :) sorry! [14:30] rickspencer3, pmcgowan: i will look that one asap [14:31] jppiiroi1en, thanks [14:31] jppiiroi1en, it would be nice to know first off if I am the only one having this problem [14:34] rsalveti, sergiusens: I sent a call for updates on the redistributability front to the mailing list - it looks like a few of them are quite sure about this already [14:34] rsalveti, sergiusens: do we already know how/when we can get new images created? [14:35] looks like a lot of food changes in the change log today [14:35] * rickspencer3 reflashes to today's daily [14:37] rsalveti, sergiusens: I think p6800 P760 wingray were the ones where we had more info about the blob licenses [14:37] the others might need a bit more investigation [14:37] Saviq, kgunn what are the plans to get newly installed apps show up in the launcher? discussing an ETA with pmcgowan atm [14:38] olli_, not in the launcher, in the apps lens - daemon tweaks are in review [14:39] olli_, shell work is ongoing, ETA next week [14:40] pmcgowan, ^ that sounds different from what you just said === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:40] olli_: that sounds good [14:40] thanks Saviq [14:43] dholbach: well we need to forward to our lawyers first, right? [14:44] robru, ping [14:44] sergiusens, really? [14:45] I thought we all had some collective experience with licensing already [14:46] dholbach: ok, then let me review it :-) [14:46] sergiusens, let's see we get somebody's go-ahead (who has enough authority), where do we go from there? [14:46] s/see/say [14:46] new image is up on cdimage [14:47] dholbach: well, the android builds are moving to cdimage [14:47] sergiusens, you mean the stuff which is up here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/? [14:48] oSoMoN, hey! [14:48] dholbach: I mean, the location where the build takes place :-) [14:49] dholbach: also read as: I'm losing control ;-) [14:50] dholbach, non nexus devices dont have approved licenses at all [14:50] we cant just pout that stuff on cdimage [14:51] I find "pout" strangely apt. [14:51] ogra_, of course we need to look over it carefully - this is what this discussion is about [14:51] dholbach, the plan was to import all source changes into our tree, but for building images we would need approval for binary drivers [14:51] ogra_, I don't know if you read the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/wingray for example - it looks encouraging [14:52] which means 80% of the images wont be buildable [14:52] since there simply dont exist licenses for the devices [14:52] ogra_, I never said "build all images for all the stuff which is mentioned on the wiki somewhere" :) [14:52] om26er: hey [14:52] dholbach, also note that one build for one device takes 20min ... [14:52] yes, you mentioned that the last time [14:53] dholbach, we are already over 2h for the nexus buiulds [14:53] oSoMoN, is the chewie-client working on raring ? [14:53] dholbach: ogra_ if its once a week, we will have that capacity in jenkins at least for a weekly build [14:53] sergiusens, dholbach, iirc rsalveti proposed to build the non nexus images in jenkins [14:53] om26er: no idea, that’s a question for renato [14:53] when we discussed it last time [14:54] ogra_, that sounds like a separate problem to me - I'm sure you'd agree that having easily testable images would have lots of benefits for us [14:54] ogra_: ok, any notes or email on that? [14:54] dholbach, sure, if we can distribute them [14:54] if we don't have enough capacities we should talk about that somewhere [14:54] ogra_, yes, of course only if we can [14:54] sergiusens, nope, was an IRC discussion about adding the xoom [14:54] dholbach, well talk to legal :) i'm sure they are thrilled to contact samsung :P [14:55] to get licenses for stuff that doesnt even have any licensing (like the mali drivers) [14:55] renato, ^^ [14:56] om26er: it's packaged === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [14:57] sergiusens: hey [14:57] om26er: working is another thing ;-) [14:57] cyphermox: hey [14:57] sergiusens, yes it is, but is it actually showing some data, to be more specific [14:57] sergiusens: I sent three patches on the ML, I haven't heard back about them. any idea if someone has started a review? [14:58] sergiusens, i was looking to add autopilot testing to the chewie-client but its pretty empty [14:59] om26er: haven't tried yet, haven't bootstrapped everything for raring yet [14:59] cyphermox: to the ubuntu-phone list? [14:59] cyphermox: and for android/git? I'll take a look === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:59] yes [15:00] cyphermox: found them, I'll review and test and apply or come back to you [15:07] rickspencer3: i wrote a comment to the bug report, could you try if that example works for you? [15:07] thanks jppiiroi1en [15:07] rickspencer3: but i did noticed that some highlights were in the qtc [15:07] I'll try it out soon [15:11] https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/unity/phablet-fix_phone_icon/+merge/155731 [15:11] sorry [15:16] pmcgowan, so, how do I activate the new keyboard? [15:16] tmoenicke is it possible to use the alternate plugin yet [15:17] tmoenicke_ ^^ [15:17] pmcgowan: i'm working on it [15:18] is that a "not yet"? [15:18] renato: added some questions here https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/camera-app/fix-1130342/+merge/155633 [15:18] rickspencer3: yes [15:19] thanks tmoenicke [15:19] thanks tmoenicke_ [15:19] ;) [15:19] thanks both of you [15:19] both :) [15:26] pmcgowan, tmoenicke : blueprint for osk tracking created here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1303-apps-osk work items will get filled in today [15:26] ok great [15:30] bfiller: hey, QtWebKit is only built for quantal in the phablet-team PPA, not for raring, is that known/taken care of? [15:31] oSoMoN: we're cutting over to use the 5.0.1 version which should now be in the qt5-proper ppa and built for quantal and raring [15:31] bfiller: right, thanks [15:32] oSoMoN: althought don't see the raring version there (: [15:33] bfiller: it’s currently building (for armhf): https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta-proper/+build/4404698 [15:33] maybe because in the raring archive already, check with Mirv [15:37] Mirv: will you copy the raring versions of all qt 5.0.1 into qt5-proper as well as we'll be doing raring builds soon. unless the raring version have already landend in the archive then we don't need them in the ppa. [15:59] Hi all [16:00] can anyone help me with one install [16:00] i want to install ubuntu touch on my HTC HD MINI [16:00] It is possible ? [16:02] zer0pain, if it isnt already on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ... you might need to port it yourself (or find someone to do it for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting) [16:03] ok but if i have any problems can you help me a little [16:04] me or one of the other 275 people in here :) [16:04] thjast what this channel is for ;) [16:04] *thats [16:04] there is also the mailing list [16:04] ok thanks [16:11] Saviq: I don't recall where unity-lens-mock lives [16:11] Saviq: do you? [16:12] sergiusens, branch? [16:12] Saviq: yeah [16:12] sergiusens, it might only live here lp:~saviq/manhattan/unity-lens-mock still [16:12] Saviq: hmmm, and we do need it, right? [16:12] sergiusens, we're using it currently [16:13] sergiusens, and it will remain so for some time still [16:13] kenvandine: can we set this up lp:~saviq/manhattan/unity-lens-mock in lp:phablet-extras/unity-lens-mock ? [16:14] kenvandine: oh wait, I just noticed I can register series there, I'll do it [16:18] Saviq: lp:phablet-extras/unity-lens-mock [16:18] sergiusens, cheers [16:52] hello all just wanted to see if anyone knows if there will be a beta release for 13.04 on nexus 7 soon? [16:57] radiotray isnt bad for streaming radio stations [17:07] eskimoe: yes the port to 13.04 is being done now [17:07]