[00:50] <rick_h_97> hehe, now that I've got a case for this thing that will stand it up it's much nicer to use with a keyboard
[00:50] <rick_h_97> for a portable travel keyboard it's actually not that bad for feel either.
[00:50] <rick_h_droid> there we go, party party
[12:07] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:08] <brousch> yes
[12:21] <snap-l> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qH7mfGrjbHI/UVLeSk-tDUI/AAAAAAAAVoU/vTnY3ICY4zM/s500/8396_523275451048451_1871257821_n.jpg
[12:24]  * brousch groans
[12:27] <brousch> https://github.com/aaugustin/django-c10k-demo
[12:34] <rick_h_> morn
[12:36] <snap-l> http://statelaws.net/Michigan-Felony.php <- I find it somewhat unsettling that "accessing a computer" is a Class D felony in MI, but forging vehicle documents, assisting suicide, etc. are class E
[12:37] <snap-l> (And that link is because joDee and I were wondering if Kwame could run for office)
[13:13] <snap-l> You have not lived until you've tried to throw a cat into a bathtub
[13:14] <snap-l> she managed to lodge some crap in her back paw
[13:14] <rick_h_> lol, why would you do that?
[13:14] <snap-l> Tried to get it off of her paw
[13:14] <snap-l> she wasn't having any of it
[13:14] <snap-l> Picking her up to get it off was not happening
[13:16] <rick_h_> hmm, what's the vote on viewing pycon videos while at CHC tonight?
[13:16] <snap-l> Not opposed to it
[13:16] <snap-l> You bringing the bandwidth?
[13:16] <rick_h_> yea
[13:17] <rick_h_> I've got the mifi, the portable router that'll allow for more than 10 connections
[13:17] <rick_h_> from now on I supply CHC bandwidth
[13:17] <rick_h_> at least when I'm there.
[13:17] <snap-l> oh, cool
[13:17] <snap-l> Thank you.
[13:19] <widox> fancy
[13:20] <widox> rick_h_: are you talking projecting vidoes on the wall?
[13:20] <rick_h_> widox: yea, I can bring the portable projector and speaker and stream videos if there's interest
[13:21] <widox> that could work
[13:21] <widox> oh, and its early edition today
[13:22] <rick_h_> right
[13:22] <rick_h_> we could in theory get in a bunch of them as they're about 35min each
[13:22] <rick_h_> something for everyone kind of thing
[13:46] <snap-l> Anyone else trying pump.io?
[13:46] <snap-l> It's interesting
[13:47] <snap-l> Evan is really trying to sell folks on the notion that there's no concept of just one server
[13:47] <snap-l> I think he sees that as a failing of idenit.cs
[13:47] <snap-l> identi.ca
[13:49] <rick_h_> no, I give up
[13:49] <snap-l> rick_h_: Why's that?
[13:49] <snap-l> https://pumpity.net/snapl
[13:49] <rick_h_> just no sense trying pump.io. I'd given up on identica and such
[13:50] <snap-l> I think this iteration is more your speed.
[13:50] <snap-l> http://pump.io/
[13:52] <brousch> federation is for star fleet?
[14:01] <snap-l> Well, I think we're finally out of the "not twitter / not facebook" era
[14:01] <snap-l> and now we can have decent conversation of what it is we really want from federation
[14:01] <snap-l> which is "not G+". ;)
[14:03] <snap-l> Seriously, though, it's more "disconnected servers talking the same protocol set and following the good stuff and ignoring the rest"
[14:18] <jrwren> snap-l: find anyone for ldap?
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: We're still looking, though ColonelPanic001 pointed us in the direction of someone who might be able to help
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: but we're still looking
[14:18] <jrwren> i'm a sucker for sharing information people want. if you are still in need, tap me.
[14:19] <snap-l> jrwren: Awesome. I thought you weren't entering Oakland County any time soon? :)
[14:19] <jrwren> oh, good point.
[14:19] <jrwren> damn.
[14:19] <snap-l> I should have mentined that after we roped you in. :)
[14:19] <jrwren> now that I live in AA, I'm 20min closer. Mug still meets at Farmington Library, right?
[14:20] <snap-l> Yep
[14:20] <snap-l> Directions are on the front page.
[14:20] <snap-l> We changed it last night
[14:20] <jrwren> 29mi, 29minutes says bing maps
[14:20] <jrwren> so that isn't too bad.
[14:20] <jrwren> when it was 45min it was a real drag.
[15:46] <brousch> rick_h_ , jcastro_ : Cory Doctrow is complaining about these instructions. Make it easier for him ;) http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[15:48] <jrwren> they do suck.
[15:49] <jrwren> the lesson is: don't use a mac.
[15:50] <greg-g> jrwren: says the mac user?
[15:51] <brousch> It seems like a simple utility you download that gets the LTS or current ISO, convets it for you, then writes it to USB would help convert mac users
[16:17] <jrwren> I hate my mac.
[16:17] <greg-g> jrwren: but also love it?
[16:17] <greg-g> ;)
[16:17] <jrwren> I mean, I love the hardware and when it works, it is nice, but OSX is too limiting and it crashes :(
[16:17] <greg-g> it.... crashes?! that's unpossible for Apples, right?
[16:18] <jrwren> I think it may have been a parallel's kernel module
[16:18] <jrwren> i removed parallels yesterday. I shall see if it is more stable.
[17:25] <rick_h_> brousch: sudo dd if=livecd-fedora-livecd-colorhug-201209041147.iso of=/dev/sdd
[17:25] <rick_h_> done
[17:25] <rick_h_> Blazeix: taught me the one true way that never fails
[17:27] <brousch> rick_h_: On OSX?
[17:27] <rick_h_> ugh, looking at those instructinos the answer is 'just use linux'
[17:27] <brousch> And WTF are you doing with Fedora?
[17:27] <rick_h_> brousch: colorhug livecd is fedora. It's worked on by a guy that works for RH
[17:34] <rick_h_> jcastro_: what you up to tonight? CHC?
[17:36] <brousch> wrt to "just use linus", someone trying to create an Ubuntu boot disk on OSX is probably thinking about using Linux, but an overly complicated experience just creating the boot media is likely to make them think it's all like that. First impressions, you know
[17:37] <rick_h_> brousch: right, but the fact that you want to create something using crappy tools so you can get access to other tools...
[17:37] <greg-g> hah
[17:37] <greg-g> you guys
[17:37] <rick_h_> brousch: but yea, would be cool is there was a better way to iso -> usb on all platforms
[17:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: :P
[17:38] <brousch> I shouldn't even have to think about iso. I should download a boot drive creator that does it for me
[17:38] <greg-g> good lord, those are shitty instructions
[17:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I +1 that it's bad
[17:39] <greg-g> but, why can't we at least remove one of the steps by providing a dmg?
[17:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: not sure, can you use hdiutil on linux?
[17:40] <greg-g> dunno, but shouldn't matter, someone could set up a mac build box for it
[17:40] <greg-g> I mean, joeyh does it for his haskell project... and he's a debian guy
[17:43] <brousch> Doesn't half of Canonical use OSX? Or is that not the case any more?
[17:43] <greg-g> brousch: zing, muther-effer
[17:43] <rick_h_> well I know some of the design folks. In the guys I work with there's a bunch of macs, but running ubuntu
[17:43] <greg-g> in a vm or on the metal?
[17:44] <rick_h_> on the metal
[17:45] <rick_h_> admittingly that's limited. The last sprint was 25 folks. There were probably 10 macs with ubuntu on the metal
[17:45] <rick_h_> my old boss used to run ubuntu in a vm, but changed with his machine. Got tired of fighting the vm
[17:46] <rick_h_> not saying it doesn't happen, but ime it's not a 10-20% thing among my circles.
[17:46] <greg-g> right
[17:46] <brousch> I think the 50% was a rumor started when Unity first came out
[17:46] <rick_h_> lol
[17:46] <rick_h_> I don't know it was every 50%
[17:46] <rick_h_> maybe 50% of the design folks
[17:47] <rick_h_> but not among engineering
[17:47] <greg-g> Unity is all made within the Design Team, right? without any community involvement, that's what a little birdy told me at least
[17:48] <greg-g> sorry...
[17:48]  * rick_h_ goes back to getting work done :P
[17:49] <greg-g> :)
[17:50] <brousch> Wow, greg-g the troll is vicious
[17:50] <brousch> I'm glad I'm usually on his side
[17:50] <greg-g> :)
[17:51] <rick_h_> how did I get stuck trying to defend a tool I don't use?
[17:52] <brousch> Employer loyalty
[17:52] <brousch> You're The Man now. Get used to it
[17:52] <rick_h_> hah, does that mean I get a key to "The Man" washroom?
[17:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Right, but it's a family bathroom now
[17:53] <snap-l> Has a diaper changing station, and a giant "no smoking" sign
[18:24] <Blazeix> it is also a rip-off of the Apple washroom.
[18:24] <greg-g> Blazeix: thanks for going there for me
[18:24] <snap-l> hah
[18:29] <Blazeix> I have no problem taking cheap, uninformed shots :)
[18:45] <snap-l> TIL: uwsgi doesn't let the Pylons debugger through (or at least it has additional config to prevent it outside of the normal development.ini file)
[18:45] <rick_h_> snap-l: it needs to only have one worker. pdb can't work in multi-worker
[18:45] <rick_h_> snap-l: and of course you've got to run uwsgi manually in the terminal. It doesn't break when run in daemon mode
[18:46] <snap-l> Ah, that's good to know.
[18:46] <snap-l> workers can only be > 1 when debug mode is disabled/turned off
[18:47] <snap-l> Hm, that seems like a useful comment that someone must've put in this INI file
[18:47] <rick_h_> yea, same with gunicorn/etc.
[19:19] <snap-l> http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1976
[19:33] <snap-l> I'm really starting to hate uwsgi for debugging
[19:34] <jrwren> you've got a time machine, i've got a gun, what the hell, lets go kill hitler.
[20:10] <snap-l> " If in 2013 you’re still using Microsoft Office, you’re either in an organization/industry with extreme lock-in through custom business automation or similar that is built exclusively on Microsoft tools, or you’re actively contributing to the destruction of freedom and equality in the world. "
[20:11] <snap-l> greg-g: Apparently every time I get a .xlsx file, I'm destroying freedom.
[20:11] <snap-l> "If you can’t be bothered, make up for it with a large donation to The Document Foundation, LibreOffice’s nonprofit organization.
[20:12] <snap-l> Can we get some DFD indulgences?
[20:12] <snap-l> I want to buy my way into freedom-heaven
[20:12] <greg-g> snap-l: I don't think he's referring to people *receiving* them
[20:14] <snap-l> well, as part of my work, I use OSS to generate them
[20:14] <snap-l> because we're in an age where CSV files aren't cutting it
[20:14] <greg-g> so.... you're in the first part
[20:15] <greg-g> or, if you don't need all the shit that Exel has, then yeah, you didn't lobby enough to get the use of LO :)
[20:15] <greg-g> full disclosure, CC uses Word for some shit, and GDocs for others. I complained ALL THE TIME about it
[20:15] <snap-l> If you're not part of the machinery, you're part of the problem. Yeah, that works.
[20:15] <greg-g> but, fuck CC
[20:16] <greg-g> oh, did I say that outloud, my bad
[20:16] <brousch> ohmy
[20:16] <brousch> Troubles there?
[20:16] <greg-g> if one was good at reading tea leaves, one could figure out the problems easily
[20:16] <greg-g> I could simply link about 2 or maybe 3 blog posts here and you'd figure it out
[20:17] <greg-g> CC blog posts
[20:17] <snap-l> Not sure what they want to be when they grow up?
[20:17] <greg-g> the one that isn't a blog post is "hey, we're going to move the office to MV from downtown SF!"
[20:17] <greg-g> snap-l: that's the current incarnation of the problem
[20:17] <snap-l> Oh jeez
[20:17] <greg-g> but it goes deeper
[20:18] <greg-g> don't worry, the licenses are fine
[20:18] <snap-l> yeah, I figured the licenses are OK
[20:18] <greg-g> seriously, the GC, Diane Peters, is amazing, and won't let anything bad happen to them
[20:18] <snap-l> but I get the sense that the org has to justify itself
[20:19] <snap-l> and somehow stay hip cool and current
[20:20] <snap-l> Biggest problem I'm seeing is the "copyleft" brigade trying to steer the ship of CC
[20:21] <greg-g> that's all org's problem, of course
[20:21] <greg-g> not the copyleft part ;)
[20:21] <snap-l> Honestly, I don't understand one whit of the whole coyleft nonsense
[20:21] <snap-l> (not to be confused with the GNU license)
[20:22] <jrwren> copyleft is gnu
[20:22] <snap-l> jrwren: Not that copyleft, some other not-a-lawyer trying to fix the world's problems by yelling at people that everything should be free
[20:23] <snap-l> https://github.com/richardfontana/copyleft-next
[20:23] <snap-l> sorry, copyleft-next
[20:23] <jrwren> oh
[20:23] <greg-g> that's a terrible mischaracterization of that project
[20:23] <greg-g> seriously
[20:23] <greg-g> you just conflated two things that are unrelated
[20:23] <greg-g> fontana is creating a new license, mostly as an art project to troll Bradley Kuhn
[20:23] <snap-l> Oh, sorry
[20:24] <greg-g> there is another thing which is the vocal aspect of the cc-community list that advocates everything being free
[20:24] <snap-l> It's a lover's quarrel.
[20:24] <greg-g> unrelated
[20:25] <greg-g> there's also good parts of copyleft-next, as a license, unequivocally
[20:25] <snap-l> greg-g: Right, or requiring everything essentially be PD
[20:25] <greg-g> as in, it addresses many issues people have seen in (A)GPL
[20:25] <greg-g> snap-l: so... you're referring there to the vocal minority on cc-community, right?
[20:25] <snap-l> I stopped following it months ago, but yes
[20:25] <greg-g> right
[20:26] <snap-l> I thought fontana was a part of that group
[20:26] <greg-g> he hasn't posted on cc-community in a very long time, though I'm sure he's given feedback on CC 4.0, as he's a really good lawyer who works for RH
[20:27] <greg-g> I don't understand why there's animosity towards copyleft-next, though
[20:27] <snap-l> I think I've mistakenly mixed fontana with fabsh
[20:28] <snap-l> as fabsh was an ass, and fontana was trolling. :)
[20:28] <greg-g> oh god
[20:28] <greg-g> yeah, effing fabsh
[20:28] <greg-g> single handedly may have killed identi.ca
[20:28] <greg-g> the community
[20:28] <snap-l> I don't think he can claim credit
[20:28] <greg-g> he sure tried
[20:28] <snap-l> just happened to hand out the pitchforks
[20:28] <greg-g> (to kill it)
[20:28] <greg-g> heh
[20:29] <snap-l> there were plenty of assholes that trolled pretty hard in the name of freedom
[20:29] <snap-l> "Anybody heard about X" "YOU SHOULD USE Y BECAUSE Y IS BETTER"
[20:31] <snap-l> "Taking my kids to school" "DOES YOUR CAR USE GNU SOFTWARE? PROPRIETARY CARS ARE EVIL. I RIDE MY BIKE TO WORK BECAUSE MY BIKE IS POWERED BY MY FAT ASS"
[20:31] <snap-l> etc, ad nauseum
[20:31] <greg-g> I actually never saw much of that, but, to each their own
[20:32] <jcastro_> lol, you guys still on about identica?
[20:32] <snap-l> Some of us still use it
[20:32] <greg-g> snap-l: brought it up!
[20:32] <snap-l> and are moving to pump.io. :)
[20:32] <snap-l> greg-g: ofh fine, blame me
[20:32] <greg-g> :)
[20:33] <greg-g> "but mooooom! Johnny's the one who started it!"
[20:34] <snap-l> yeah, I had that only kid thing going. Nobody to blame
[20:34] <jrwren> free, for a certain definition of freedom
[20:34] <jrwren> free, for my definition of freedom
[20:34] <jrwren> free, for your definition of freedom
[20:34] <jrwren> all different.
[20:36] <jcastro_> my favorite kind of freedom. If you're not using this software then you are not-free.
[20:36] <jcastro_> "You should use identica instead of twitter" seems more like coercion to freedom to me.
[20:39] <jcastro_> rick_h_: this intel ssd is sick
[20:39] <jcastro_> I mean, I've had SSDs before
[20:39] <jcastro_> but this one makes them all look like a joe
[20:39] <jcastro_> joke even
[20:39] <jcastro_> When I install packages it's like, as fast as an "ls" was on my old PC, lol.
[20:40] <brousch> Good sick or bad sick?
[20:40] <jcastro_> good sick
[20:41] <jcastro_> it's insanely fast
[22:55] <rick_h_> jcastro_: yea, I've got a 520 in my x230 and my test runs are 4-5x as fast as others
[22:55] <rick_h_> crazy <3
[23:10] <rick_h_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2604809224.png vs http://www.speedtest.net/result/2604806899.png take your pick
[23:30] <rick_h_> start of CHC 1.177GB used...remind me to check at the end lol
[23:33] <snap-l> howdy.