[13:51]  * xnox just saw commits by "Arch Librarian <arch@canonical.com>"
[13:52]  * xnox slowly backs away
[13:53] <mgz> if you cross the arch librarian, he will set is sub librarians on you
[13:53] <xnox>  /o\
[15:08] <Sebboh> So, here's what I've done so far (approximately).  apt-get install bzr; bzr checkout bzr+ssh://blah-blah foo; cd foo; bzr --help; bzr status  ...And then it told me that like, all the files were modified.  So then I immediately joined here to complain about this, rather than like, google it.  What exactly should I google here?  "bzr doesn't act as I expect"? :/
[15:09] <Sebboh> Do we have some local definition of 'modified'
[15:10] <beuno> Sebboh, so
[15:10] <beuno> what is modified in them?
[15:12] <Sebboh> I *just* checked them out.  omg, maybe it's permissions.  I checked out into a filesystem that doesn't support permissions.  Does bzr consider permissions changes to be modifications?
[15:12] <beuno> yes
[15:12] <beuno> that's why I ask
[15:12] <LeoNerd> Ooh.
[15:12] <galaxyAbstractor> Hey, I am trying to push something to launchpad, but all I get is "bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified". Anyone knows what's up? How is that missing file related to not being able to connect to the host?
[15:12] <beuno> bzr diff will tell you
[15:12] <galaxyAbstractor> (I can ping the host just fine and connect to it trough putty)
[15:12] <LeoNerd> If the permissions of the files on disk don't match what bzr thinks they should be, then yes.. that will count as a difference
[15:13] <Sebboh> I'm reading back over my messages in here, and I'd like to apologize for my tone.  I'm trying to quit cigarettes... :(
[15:15] <fullermd> I have a friend who had a plan for that.
[15:15] <fullermd> His theory was that you shouldn't fight it.  Anytime you want a cigarette, just go ahead and eat one.
[15:20] <Sebboh> lol
[15:20] <mgz> galaxyAbstractor: so`ssh -vv YOURLPUSERNAME@bazaar.launchpad.net` gets you through to the now shells message? then look in your log for the full traceback and pastebin it, `bzr version` tells you where to find the log
[15:25] <galaxyAbstractor> mgz http://pastebin.com/J5xm3Kra
[15:27] <mgz> pants
[15:28] <mgz> galaxyAbstractor: run the same command again with BZR_PDB=1 set in the environment,
[15:29] <mgz> then when you're dropped into the debugger,
[15:31] <galaxyAbstractor> and then?
[15:32] <mgz> hit 'u', then 'p orig_error', then 'p argv' and double check that the first item in argv actually exists on disk
[15:34] <galaxyAbstractor> oh, where is plink.exe supposed to go? I have it in my downloads folder but maybe I had to put it somewhere else? The guide didn't really say anything about that
[15:34] <galaxyAbstractor> I would assume that's the issue?
[15:35] <galaxyAbstractor> This is what I get http://i.imgur.com/xldx8DM.png
[15:35] <mgz> I set the full path to plink in BZR_SSH
[15:35] <mgz> so, C:
[15:35] <mgz> er...
[15:36] <mgz> BZR_SSH=C:/Program Files/putty/plink.exe or whatever
[15:38] <galaxyAbstractor> oh, the Create ssh key said that value should be only "plink" so that's what I put https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[15:39] <galaxyAbstractor> I feel quite stupid about that
[15:40] <mgz> it can be only plink, but then it must be on your path
[15:40] <mgz> I can edit that page to be clearer
[15:42] <galaxyAbstractor> yeah, it works now, thanks
[15:43] <mgz> ace
[15:43] <galaxyAbstractor> is plink optional tho? Seems like I'm the only one in class that used plink, and it works fine for everyone else without it
[15:45] <mgz> ...that page is so confusing...
[15:46] <mgz> I use plink, various other people use paramiko (a python ssh library) that we bundle with the all-in-one installer
[15:49] <galaxyAbstractor> Most only did the pageant step tho
[21:26] <greggypoo> hi - I'm a long-time rcs user who recently learned git and I love git, and I am forced to use bazaar for a certain project, and I am finding it awkward, I am always running into "surely this is easy and will sort itself out like it does in git," but it always turns out to be clunky and slow and difficult instead.  but i'm super ignorant of bazaar (and pretty ignorant of git if it comes down to it)
[21:26] <greggypoo> so what i'm looking for is a flame war between a seasoned git user and a seasoned bzr user, i think if i could read such a thing it would honestly help me understand bzr better
[21:26] <greggypoo> any ideas :)
[21:54] <mgz> just read the user docs, from core concepts onwards?
[23:18] <maxb> greggypoo: I'd suggest just asking about specific issues here. There are plenty of people who can help you find equivalent bzr concepts to git ones