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| * Snark is pondering... N7 or chromebook? | 06:42 | |
| Snark | two questions on the chromebook : is there somewhere documentation on how to get ubuntu *on* the device (not on a usb key)? Is it possible to let an SD card in it the whole time (like I do with the AC100)? | 08:25 |
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| Snark | I have never seen documented how to put ubuntu on the mmc, and I have read (can't remember where) that the SD card was really sticking out when put in, so can't really be left there | 08:26 |
| xnox | Snark: ac100 uses sdcard or usb stick for _intallation_ afterwards ubuntu is installed on to normal partitions..... | 10:24 |
| xnox | some devices do limit one which places it can boot from, so a panda can only do usb on the go boot or boot from sd card. | 10:25 |
| gildean | xnox: you can also install to external on the ac100 | 10:27 |
| gildean | from usb to sd or vice versa | 10:27 |
| ogra_ | no, there is a bug :) | 10:35 |
| ogra_ | you can install to usb from SD, but not the other way round | 10:35 |
| ogra_ | Snark, look for the chrubuntu scripts, i have ubuntu on the internal MMC on my chromebook ... they resized the system partition to make room for it so i have a parallel install | 10:36 |
| ogra_ | (i think hrw did the same initially on his) | 10:37 |
| hrw | yes | 10:37 |
| ogra_ | i'm pondering to get http://eu.apacer.com/products/AH152 for a re-install though | 10:38 |
| ogra_ | doesnt stick out to much and should be faster than the MMC | 10:38 |
| ogra_ | (or any SD card) | 10:38 |
| hrw | ogra_: price? | 10:39 |
| ogra_ | dunno, i still havent found a european shop that sells it ... should be below $30 | 10:39 |
| ogra_ | its not as fast as it could be, but stilll gets you around 60MB/s for reading and around 80 for writing | 10:40 |
| ogra_ | err, other way rouond | 10:41 |
| ogra_ | 80 for readfing, 60 for writing | 10:41 |
| ogra_ | (write speed doesnt concern me to much with 2G of ram though ... i just want fast reads) | 10:41 |
| hrw | I use external hdd on usb3 port | 10:52 |
| ogra_ | i dont like to have something hanging off the device .... and long USB sticks are to dangerous ... they easily turn into levers that open your case | 10:53 |
| hrw | ogra_: I use that hdd only at home | 10:54 |
| hrw | ogra_: chromebook -> usb3 hub -> {usb3 hdd, usb2 eth} | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | yeah, not really a good idea if you want to put the OS on it :) | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | and still take the laptop with you | 10:54 |
| hrw | 10.5GB on internal is enough | 10:55 |
| ogra_ | yeah, its not the size, its the speed :) | 10:56 |
| ogra_ | i'm fine with carrying data on SD ... but i want the OS to be snappy | 10:57 |
| hrw | ogra_: wasn't emmc 50-60MB/s? | 10:57 |
| ogra_ | or snappier ... | 10:57 |
| Snark | ogra_, I need more room -- I have about 10G which I need to have quite accessible (slow isn't a problem) | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | hrw, 34MB/s according to hdparm | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | (and according to dd tests) | 11:00 |
| Snark | add to that the system and the sage installation on a reasonably fast "disk" (mmc) | 11:00 |
| hrw | ogra_: enough for me | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | Snark, well, add a 32G SD card then | 11:00 |
| Snark | ogra_, it must not stick out too much | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | or get such a tiny USB key ... 2.0 ones are easy to get | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | if you dont care about speed, 2.0 ones are all around | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/08/12/worlds-smallest-micro-sdhc-usb-card-reader/ | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | get one of these :) | 11:02 |
| hrw | ogra_: usb2.0 card readers are fine with today's 'fast' sd cards | 11:03 |
| hrw | my 32GB samsung microsd does just 19MB/s | 11:03 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:03 |
| hrw | nevermind sd slot or usb2 port | 11:03 |
| Snark | I don't need very fast on that part of the data | 11:03 |
| ogra_ | if you dont care about speed thats definitelty fine | 11:03 |
| Snark | ogra_, ok, that leaves the question on kicking chromeos out of the device and have only ubuntu | 11:05 |
| Snark | (and a solution where hitting space at the wrong moment won't destroy the system) | 11:05 |
| ogra_ | hitting space ? | 11:05 |
| hrw | ogra_: instead of ctrl-d | 11:05 |
| ogra_ | ah | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | i doubt thats easily fixable | 11:06 |
| hrw | ogra_: press space and devmode will be off | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i remember | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | never happened to me | 11:06 |
| hrw | Snark: are you brave enough and have 249$ spare? | 11:06 |
| hrw | u-boot can be reflashed | 11:07 |
| ogra_ | that bright white bootscreen is so heavily in your face, i doubt you will hit space accidentially | 11:07 |
| hrw | you know... I feel that I should finally update chromebook packages in ubuntu... | 11:22 |
| hrw | but laziness wins | 11:22 |
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| ogra_ | hrw, well, i feel like i finally should make flas-kernel work ... but laziness wins too here | 11:24 |
| ogra_ | (though the oopses on boot wi5th the std kernel actually annoy me) | 11:24 |
| hrw | ogra_: flash-kernel for chromebook? | 11:24 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | to just install a packaged kernel without hassle | 11:25 |
| hrw | ogra_: I think we need first to switch to chainloaded uboot | 11:25 |
| hrw | so no signing of kernels etc | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | why ? | 11:25 |
| ogra_ | you packaged the signing tools, didnt you ? | 11:25 |
| hrw | ogra_: now you need /etc/default/chromebook-cmdline file | 11:25 |
| hrw | ogra_: and they are stuck in Debian NEW for >month | 11:26 |
| ogra_ | thats fine | 11:26 |
| ogra_ | f-k can ship a default | 11:26 |
| hrw | ogra_: there is no such thing as default | 11:26 |
| ogra_ | well, nothing blocks us of going ahead and pulling them into ubuntu first | 11:26 |
| hrw | default is p2 on sd? p2 on usb? p7 on emmc/sd/usb? | 11:26 |
| ogra_ | there is a default in /proc/cmdline, no ? | 11:27 |
| hrw | no | 11:27 |
| hrw | ach, that way | 11:27 |
| hrw | check how you booted and reuse? | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | ogra@chromebook:~$ cat /proc/cmdline | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | cros_secure console= console=tty1 debug verbose root=/dev/mmcblk0p7 rootwait rw | 11:27 |
| ogra_ | just adjust if needed ... else just dump it into the default | 11:28 |
| ogra_ | so why does my SD card not mount anymore ... hmm | 11:32 |
| * ogra_ wonders why these global notices never go into the channel i'm current;y in | 11:36 | |
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| Snark | hrw, 249$ translates to 299€, don't you know? But yes, I'm brave enough: if I buy remote, I have seven days to change my mind ;-) | 12:28 |
| hrw | Snark: or to 229GBP | 12:28 |
| hrw | Snark: you can flash own u-boot. but no instructions from me. | 12:29 |
| Snark | eh, if I have no instructions from anyone, I can't do that | 12:31 |
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| Snark | hrw, is there some documentation somewhere of a similar... uh... hack on another type of computer | 12:41 |
| Snark | ? | 12:41 |
| Snark | eh... the space bar problem is not on each suspend+resume but only on bootup, right? | 12:47 |
| hrw | right | 12:52 |
| angs | ogra_: does your omap3 ubuntu-server 12.04 image for beagleboard-xm include firewall/firewall setting? | 13:13 |
| angs | how can I check it? | 13:13 |
| angs | if it has or not | 13:13 |
| * Snark really wonders what he should buy | 13:16 | |
| Snark | :-/ | 13:16 |
| ogra_ | angs, ubuntu doesn not use any firewalls by default | 13:17 |
| angs | ogra_, thank you | 13:17 |
| ogra_ | angs, but ufw is available (and iptables (which is the backenmd for ufw) shoudl eb enabled in the kernel) in case you are paranoid ... | 13:18 |
| ogra_ | usually you dont need any firefalling since there are no ports open by default, they only get opened once you install the respective package (i.e. a webserver to open port 80) | 13:19 |
| angs | no I am having a network problem, I was wondering if there is any firewall setting or so that causes problem. | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | nope | 13:19 |
| angs | thank you | 13:19 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1 | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | infinity, ^^^ landa replacements ? | 13:25 |
| ogra_ | *panda | 13:25 |
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| infinity | ogra_: No. We're getting real server kit. | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | ah, good | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | in 2020 ? | 15:16 |
| infinity | Soon, if all goes well. :/ | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | heh ... soon ... | 15:17 |
| angs | is the ath9k_htc driver on ubuntu-server released by Atheros or developed by open source committee? | 15:43 |
| infinity | angs: It's in the upstream kernel source. | 15:51 |
| angs | infinity, I don't know much about kernels, do you know if the source is developed by Atheros? | 15:52 |
| angs | source of ath9k_htc | 15:52 |
| infinity | angs: Atheros participates, but you asked if it was "by open source committee", and it being upstream means "yes". | 15:54 |
| infinity | angs: Atheros donated the original source, and continues to contribute, but they're not the only contributors. | 15:54 |
| angs | infinity, I got it now, thank you | 15:55 |
| angs | I have a usb dongle that has atheros chipset, is the driver version as same as kernel version? | 15:56 |
| xnox | s/committee/community/ makes more sense =) | 16:09 |
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| ogra_ | communitee | 16:35 |
| hrw | have a nice Easter/weekend guys | 17:25 |
| ogra_ | hrw, you too ... and i wish you big eggs and all ... | 17:26 |
| ogra_ | (or so ... ) | 17:26 |
| hrw | ogra_: I go to Saarbrucken, DE for demoscene party | 17:26 |
| ogra_ | oh, with your daughter ? | 17:27 |
| hrw | alone | 17:27 |
| ogra_ | poor girl ... | 17:27 |
| hrw | we stays with Ania | 17:27 |
| hrw | by | 17:27 |
| hrw | e | 17:27 |
| ogra_ | ciao | 17:27 |
| ogra_ | and enjoy :) | 17:27 |
| siretart | hi. I would like to run an Ubuntu ARM server inside qemu on my amd64 laptop. I wonder if there was any way to get the ubuntu-installer from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/raring/main/installer-armhf/current/images/ started in a similar way to the installer on i386 | 17:40 |
| siretart | in my experiments, I always ended up with a black screen. is there some documentation what kernel parameters I need to pass, so that I get something on the serial console? | 17:40 |
| jimerickson | was having issues with bug #1159890. but now ubuiquity freezes solid at "Installing libdvdnav4". no mouse no keyboard. pandaboard ES todays image. | 18:50 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1159890 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "omapdss SPI error: could not enable display: no manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1159890 | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | now the question would be why do we install libdvdnav4 at all :) | 18:51 |
| ogra_ | sounds a bit like a kernel issue with USB though | 18:52 |
| jimerickson | ok i will try again tomorrow i guess, crosses fingers. thanks ogra_ | 18:53 |
| ogra_ | well, we dont touch these images for raring (in fact we were about to drop that flavour completely ...) i'll do a test myself after easter ... | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | theroetically the kernel and setup is identical to quantal | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | just with updated package versions ... | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | (for the desktop) | 18:55 |
| jimerickson | do you mean omap4-armhf will be dropped? sad panda is sad. | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | panda has been killed by TI | 18:55 |
| jimerickson | oh i see | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | like ... they fired ~500 ppl | 18:55 |
| jimerickson | yikes! | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | everyone working on panda and mobile OMAP | 18:55 |
| infinity | We'll probably drop the desktop images, we won't drop Panda kernel support (the new -generic kernel supports Panda as well) | 18:56 |
| ogra_ | infinity, nope, we wont | 18:56 |
| infinity | But without PVR GLES drivers, we can't support the desktop. | 18:56 |
| infinity | ogra_: We won't what? | 18:56 |
| ogra_ | after much back and forth we will keep desktop with quantal kernel as unsupported images | 18:56 |
| infinity | ogra_: I meant "in the future", not this release. | 18:56 |
| ogra_ | ah, yeah | 18:57 |
| infinity | ogra_: I know what the plan is for this release. | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | they will go away first thing in S | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | ok, i wasnt sure | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | because the plan changed every hour for the last weeks | 18:57 |
| infinity | But even in S, Panda will still have kernel support, just no desktop support, due to the pvr-omap mess. | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | right, it should be -generic and server images | 18:57 |
| infinity | Also, the rumours of the death of OMAP are greatly exaggerated, according to every TI person I talked to at Connect. | 18:58 |
| infinity | So, try not to spread too much misinformation. | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | heh, OMAP in mobile is dead | 18:58 |
| infinity | They switched OMAP focus away from mobile, yes. | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | and all mobile engineers are gone | 18:58 |
| infinity | But it's still very much alive. Just not for phones, tablets, etc. | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | right | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | well, i'm just echoing theoir press releases | 18:59 |
| jimerickson | so should i keep panda and run android or just retire it? | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | if their marketing makes a mess dont make me responsible :) | 18:59 |
| infinity | jimerickson: Android will have the same issues. | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | right | 18:59 |
| jimerickson | oh ok | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | jimerickson, you can still test server | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | and use it if you ever plan to build arm packages | 19:00 |
| jimerickson | alright | 19:00 |
| infinity | They're fine little headless machines still. But 3D acceleration on desktop Linux and Android will be harder to come by. | 19:00 |
| jimerickson | indeed they are. still sad though. | 19:01 |
| jimerickson | alright i suppose i will switch to a raspberrypi and run raspian. thats a topic for a different channel though ;) | 19:04 |
| ogra_ | well, you coudl use ubuntu touch on some old phone :) | 19:05 |
| ogra_ | (or on a nexus7) | 19:05 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu-touch is becoming the new ubuntu-arm-desktop | 19:06 |
| doomlord | does ubuntu on n7 use the gpu/ opengl | 19:07 |
| doomlord | ubuntu-arm desktop that is | 19:07 |
| ogra_ | yes | 19:07 |
| ogra_ | it uses the binary tegra3 Xorg driver | 19:08 |
| doomlord | has anyone here had dual-boot working? | 19:08 |
| doomlord | (android/ubuntu) | 19:08 |
| ogra_ | some people do, we dont encourage it though | 19:08 |
| ogra_ | since we dont really test with it and might just wipe your android accidentially | 19:09 |
| * tassadar_ raises his hand | 19:09 | |
| ogra_ | right, talk to tassadar_, he'S the dual boot guru :) | 19:09 |
| doomlord | i'm using my n7 as an android development target, however one reason i bought an n7 was seeing the ubuntu support | 19:09 |
| ogra_ | well, long term the ubuntu-desktop image for it will turn into ubuntu-touch .... | 19:10 |
| ogra_ | which means it will run an android/ubuntu hybrid core | 19:10 |
| doomlord | will you still be able to enable the desktop on a touch device (like in win8) | 19:10 |
| doomlord | i know it wont be optimal | 19:11 |
| ogra_ | we will definitely have the convergence stuff some point after 13.10 | 19:11 |
| ogra_ | so that it runs the desktop once you dock it | 19:11 |
| tassadar_ | it's soo unfortunate that n7 does not have hdmi :/ | 19:11 |
| ogra_ | but i doubt that you will be able to for example dual boot ... | 19:11 |
| ogra_ | since the partitioning will be changed etc etc | 19:12 |
| doomlord | i guess when everything is inplace you'll less want to | 19:12 |
| ogra_ | yeah :) | 19:12 |
| doomlord | but i would definitely want to be able to bring up the desktop even without docking | 19:12 |
| tassadar_ | I still wonder how do you plan to repartition n7 Oo | 19:12 |
| ogra_ | that might work once the desktop was moved to QML | 19:12 |
| doomlord | one thing i'm after is a Synergy client on tablet devices - to extend 'workspace' from my laptop.. | 19:13 |
| ogra_ | the next big change on touch will be the switch to Mir ... with that you will have to have Mir compatible toolkits | 19:13 |
| ogra_ | (and will lose Xorg support until XMir exists ... which is a target for the desktop but not for touch atm ... so it wont be there immediately) | 19:14 |
| doomlord | is there a website / wiki describing all this | 19:15 |
| doomlord | some roadmap plans.. | 19:15 |
| ogra_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec?action=show&redirect=MirSpec#Mir_Today | 19:15 |
| doomlord | mir is like wayland? | 19:17 |
| ogra_ | kind of ... but totally different :) | 19:17 |
| ogra_ | they will be able to use the same drivers in the end ... and have a similar but slightly different protocol ... but for example the input layer will be a totally different thing in Mir ... | 19:18 |
| ogra_ | and Mir is currently using android drivers, Wayland completely dropped android support plans | 19:19 |
| doomlord | mir is for androiid AND x86 pcs? | 19:19 |
| ogra_ | for more details ask in #ubuntu-mir :) | 19:19 |
| ogra_ | yes | 19:19 |
| doomlord | is this somethiing that has partial implementations now that you can experiment with | 19:20 |
| ogra_ | well it is for ubuntu touch and PCs :) | 19:20 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu touch just happens to use android drivers | 19:20 |
| ogra_ | ask in #ubuntu-mir ... i think they are working on N7 support right now | 19:21 |
| ogra_ | since N7 and N4 will be the first devices using it | 19:21 |
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| xnox | it can show pretty 3D cats now =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjb8a8ISKWY | 23:40 |
| geoffmcc | is there an older.dist that will work on arm v6? | 23:46 |
| geoffmcc | ´ | 23:48 |
| k1l | Limited support for earlier instruction sets (ARMv5t, ARMv6) was available in early releases of the ARM port (jaunty, karmic). | 23:49 |
| k1l | from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM | 23:49 |
| angs | I have configurations on /etc/network/interfaces, on each boot I get this outputs Waiting for network configuration... Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration... that causes 2 min delay on each boot. how can I skip this message on the boot without deleting /etc/network/interface settings? | 23:58 |
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