[06:42]  * Snark is pondering... N7 or chromebook?
[08:25] <Snark> two questions on the chromebook : is there somewhere documentation on how to get ubuntu *on* the device (not on a usb key)? Is it possible to let an SD card in it the whole time (like I do with the AC100)?
[08:26] <Snark> I have never seen documented how to put ubuntu on the mmc, and I have read (can't remember where) that the SD card was really sticking out when put in, so can't really be left there
[10:24] <xnox> Snark: ac100 uses sdcard or usb stick for _intallation_ afterwards ubuntu is installed on to normal partitions.....
[10:25] <xnox> some devices do limit one which places it can boot from, so a panda can only do usb on the go boot or boot from sd card.
[10:27] <gildean> xnox: you can also install to external on the ac100
[10:27] <gildean> from usb to sd or vice versa
[10:35] <ogra_> no, there is a bug :)
[10:35] <ogra_> you can install to usb from SD, but not the other way round
[10:36] <ogra_> Snark, look for the chrubuntu scripts, i have ubuntu on the internal MMC on my chromebook ... they resized the system partition to make room for it so i have a parallel install
[10:37] <ogra_> (i think hrw did the same initially on his)
[10:37] <hrw> yes
[10:38] <ogra_> i'm pondering to get http://eu.apacer.com/products/AH152 for a re-install though
[10:38] <ogra_> doesnt stick out to much and should be faster than the MMC
[10:38] <ogra_> (or any SD card)
[10:39] <hrw> ogra_: price?
[10:39] <ogra_> dunno, i still havent found a european shop that sells it ... should be below $30
[10:40] <ogra_> its not as fast as it could be,  but stilll gets you around 60MB/s for reading and around 80 for writing
[10:41] <ogra_> err, other way rouond
[10:41] <ogra_> 80 for readfing, 60 for writing
[10:41] <ogra_> (write speed doesnt concern me to much with 2G of ram though ... i just want fast reads)
[10:52] <hrw> I use external hdd on usb3 port
[10:53] <ogra_> i dont like to have something hanging off the device .... and long USB sticks are to dangerous ... they easily turn into levers that open your case
[10:54] <hrw> ogra_: I use that hdd only at home
[10:54] <hrw> ogra_: chromebook -> usb3 hub -> {usb3 hdd, usb2 eth}
[10:54] <ogra_> yeah, not really a good idea if you want to put the OS on it :)
[10:54] <ogra_> and still take the laptop with you
[10:55] <hrw> 10.5GB on internal is enough
[10:56] <ogra_> yeah, its not the size, its the speed :)
[10:57] <ogra_> i'm fine with carrying data on SD ... but i want the OS to be snappy
[10:57] <hrw> ogra_: wasn't emmc 50-60MB/s?
[10:57] <ogra_> or snappier ...
[10:59] <Snark> ogra_, I need more room -- I have about 10G which I need to have quite accessible (slow isn't a problem)
[11:00] <ogra_> hrw, 34MB/s according to hdparm
[11:00] <ogra_> (and according to dd tests)
[11:00] <Snark> add to that the system and the sage installation on a reasonably fast "disk" (mmc)
[11:00] <hrw> ogra_: enough for me
[11:00] <ogra_> Snark, well, add a 32G SD card then
[11:01] <Snark> ogra_, it must not stick out too much
[11:01] <ogra_> or get such a tiny USB key ... 2.0 ones are easy to get
[11:01] <ogra_> if you dont care about speed, 2.0 ones are all around
[11:02] <ogra_> http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/08/12/worlds-smallest-micro-sdhc-usb-card-reader/
[11:02] <ogra_> get one of these :)
[11:03] <hrw> ogra_: usb2.0 card readers are fine with today's 'fast' sd cards
[11:03] <hrw> my 32GB samsung microsd does just 19MB/s
[11:03] <ogra_> yeah
[11:03] <hrw> nevermind sd slot or usb2 port
[11:03] <Snark> I don't need very fast on that part of the data
[11:03] <ogra_> if you dont care about speed thats definitelty fine
[11:05] <Snark> ogra_, ok, that leaves the question on kicking chromeos out of the device and have only ubuntu
[11:05] <Snark> (and a solution where hitting space at the wrong moment won't destroy the system)
[11:05] <ogra_> hitting space ?
[11:05] <hrw> ogra_: instead of ctrl-d
[11:06] <ogra_> ah
[11:06] <ogra_> i doubt thats easily fixable
[11:06] <hrw> ogra_: press space and devmode will be off
[11:06] <ogra_> yeah, i remember
[11:06] <ogra_> never happened to me
[11:06] <hrw> Snark: are you brave enough and have 249$ spare?
[11:07] <hrw> u-boot can be reflashed
[11:07] <ogra_> that bright white bootscreen is so heavily in your face, i doubt you will hit space accidentially
[11:22] <hrw> you know... I feel that I should finally update chromebook packages in ubuntu...
[11:22] <hrw> but laziness wins
[11:24] <ogra_> hrw, well, i feel like i finally should make flas-kernel work ... but laziness wins too here
[11:24] <ogra_> (though the oopses on boot wi5th the std kernel actually annoy me)
[11:24] <hrw> ogra_: flash-kernel for chromebook?
[11:25] <ogra_> indeed
[11:25] <ogra_> to just install a packaged kernel without hassle
[11:25] <hrw> ogra_: I think we need first to switch to chainloaded uboot
[11:25] <hrw> so no signing of kernels etc
[11:25] <ogra_> why ?
[11:25] <ogra_> you packaged the signing tools, didnt you ?
[11:25] <hrw> ogra_: now you need /etc/default/chromebook-cmdline file
[11:26] <hrw> ogra_: and they are stuck in Debian NEW for >month
[11:26] <ogra_> thats fine
[11:26] <ogra_> f-k can ship a default
[11:26] <hrw> ogra_: there is no such thing as default
[11:26] <ogra_> well, nothing blocks us of going ahead and pulling them into ubuntu first
[11:26] <hrw> default is p2 on sd? p2 on usb? p7 on emmc/sd/usb?
[11:27] <ogra_> there is a default in /proc/cmdline, no ?
[11:27] <hrw> no
[11:27] <hrw> ach, that way
[11:27] <hrw> check how you booted and reuse?
[11:27] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:~$ cat /proc/cmdline
[11:27] <ogra_> cros_secure console= console=tty1 debug verbose root=/dev/mmcblk0p7 rootwait rw
[11:28] <ogra_> just adjust if needed ... else just dump it into the default
[11:32] <ogra_> so why does my SD card not mount anymore ... hmm
[11:36]  * ogra_ wonders why these global notices never go into the channel i'm current;y in
[12:28] <Snark> hrw, 249$ translates to 299€, don't you know? But yes, I'm brave enough: if I buy remote, I have seven days to change my mind ;-)
[12:28] <hrw> Snark: or to 229GBP
[12:29] <hrw> Snark: you can flash own u-boot. but no instructions from me.
[12:31] <Snark> eh, if I have no instructions from anyone, I can't do that
[12:41] <Snark> hrw, is there some documentation somewhere of a similar... uh... hack on another type of computer
[12:41] <Snark> ?
[12:47] <Snark> eh... the space bar problem is not on each suspend+resume but only on bootup, right?
[12:52] <hrw> right
[13:13] <angs> ogra_: does your omap3 ubuntu-server 12.04  image for beagleboard-xm include firewall/firewall setting?
[13:13] <angs> how can I check it?
[13:13] <angs> if it has or not
[13:16]  * Snark really wonders what he should buy
[13:16] <Snark> :-/
[13:17] <ogra_> angs, ubuntu doesn not use any firewalls by default
[13:17] <angs> ogra_, thank you
[13:18] <ogra_> angs, but ufw is available (and iptables (which is the backenmd for ufw) shoudl eb enabled in the kernel) in case you are paranoid ...
[13:19] <ogra_> usually you dont need any firefalling since there are no ports open by default, they only get opened once you install the respective package (i.e. a webserver to open port 80)
[13:19] <angs> no I am having a network problem, I was wondering if there is any firewall setting or so that causes problem.
[13:19] <ogra_> nope
[13:19] <angs> thank you
[13:24] <ogra_> hmm
[13:24] <ogra_> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1
[13:25] <ogra_> infinity, ^^^ landa replacements ?
[13:25] <ogra_> *panda
[15:16] <infinity> ogra_: No.  We're getting real server kit.
[15:16] <ogra_> ah, good
[15:16] <ogra_> in 2020 ?
[15:17] <infinity> Soon, if all goes well. :/
[15:17] <ogra_> heh ... soon ...
[15:43] <angs> is the ath9k_htc driver on ubuntu-server released by Atheros or developed by open source committee?
[15:51] <infinity> angs: It's in the upstream kernel source.
[15:52] <angs> infinity, I don't know much about kernels, do you know if the source is developed by Atheros?
[15:52] <angs> source of ath9k_htc
[15:54] <infinity> angs: Atheros participates, but you asked if it was "by open source committee", and it being upstream means "yes".
[15:54] <infinity> angs: Atheros donated the original source, and continues to contribute, but they're not the only contributors.
[15:55] <angs> infinity, I got it now, thank you
[15:56] <angs> I have a usb dongle that has atheros chipset, is the driver version as same as kernel version?
[16:09] <xnox> s/committee/community/ makes more sense =)
[16:35] <ogra_> communitee
[17:25] <hrw> have a nice Easter/weekend guys
[17:26] <ogra_> hrw, you too ... and i wish you big eggs and all ...
[17:26] <ogra_> (or so ... )
[17:26] <hrw> ogra_: I go to Saarbrucken, DE for demoscene party
[17:27] <ogra_> oh, with your daughter ?
[17:27] <hrw> alone
[17:27] <ogra_> poor girl ...
[17:27] <hrw> we stays with Ania
[17:27] <hrw> by
[17:27] <hrw> e
[17:27] <ogra_> ciao
[17:27] <ogra_> and enjoy :)
[17:40] <siretart> hi. I would like to run an Ubuntu ARM server inside qemu on my amd64 laptop. I wonder if there was any way to get the ubuntu-installer from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/raring/main/installer-armhf/current/images/ started in a similar way to the installer on i386
[17:40] <siretart> in my experiments, I always ended up with a black screen. is there some documentation what kernel parameters I need to pass, so that I get something on the serial console?
[18:50] <jimerickson> was having issues with bug #1159890. but now ubuiquity freezes solid at "Installing libdvdnav4". no mouse no keyboard.  pandaboard ES todays image.
[18:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1159890 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "omapdss SPI error: could not enable display: no manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1159890
[18:51] <ogra_> now the question would be why do we install libdvdnav4 at all :)
[18:52] <ogra_> sounds a bit like a kernel issue with USB though
[18:53] <jimerickson> ok i will try again tomorrow i guess, crosses fingers. thanks ogra_
[18:54] <ogra_> well, we dont touch these images for raring (in fact we were about to drop that flavour completely ...) i'll do a test myself after easter ...
[18:54] <ogra_> theroetically the kernel and setup is identical to quantal
[18:55] <ogra_> just with updated package versions ...
[18:55] <ogra_> (for the desktop)
[18:55] <jimerickson> do you mean omap4-armhf will be dropped? sad panda is sad.
[18:55] <ogra_> panda has been killed by TI
[18:55] <jimerickson> oh i see
[18:55] <ogra_> like ... they fired ~500 ppl
[18:55] <jimerickson> yikes!
[18:55] <ogra_> everyone working on panda and mobile OMAP
[18:56] <infinity> We'll probably drop the desktop images, we won't drop Panda kernel support (the new -generic kernel supports Panda as well)
[18:56] <ogra_> infinity, nope, we wont
[18:56] <infinity> But without PVR GLES drivers, we can't support the desktop.
[18:56] <infinity> ogra_: We won't what?
[18:56] <ogra_> after much back and forth we will keep desktop with quantal kernel as unsupported images
[18:56] <infinity> ogra_: I meant "in the future", not this release.
[18:57] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[18:57] <infinity> ogra_: I know what the plan is for this release.
[18:57] <ogra_> they will go away first thing in S
[18:57] <ogra_> ok, i wasnt sure
[18:57] <ogra_> because the plan changed every hour for the last weeks
[18:57] <infinity> But even in S, Panda will still have kernel support, just no desktop support, due to the pvr-omap mess.
[18:57] <ogra_> right, it should be -generic and server images
[18:58] <infinity> Also, the rumours of the death of OMAP are greatly exaggerated, according to every TI person I talked to at Connect.
[18:58] <infinity> So, try not to spread too much misinformation.
[18:58] <ogra_> heh, OMAP in mobile is dead
[18:58] <infinity> They switched OMAP focus away from mobile, yes.
[18:58] <ogra_> and all mobile engineers are gone
[18:58] <infinity> But it's still very much alive.  Just not for phones, tablets, etc.
[18:58] <ogra_> right
[18:59] <ogra_> well, i'm just echoing theoir press releases
[18:59] <jimerickson> so should i keep panda and run android or just retire it?
[18:59] <ogra_> if their marketing makes a mess dont make me responsible :)
[18:59] <infinity> jimerickson: Android will have the same issues.
[18:59] <ogra_> right
[18:59] <jimerickson> oh ok
[18:59] <ogra_> jimerickson, you can still test server
[19:00] <ogra_> and use it if you ever plan to build arm packages
[19:00] <jimerickson> alright
[19:00] <infinity> They're fine little headless machines still.  But 3D acceleration on desktop Linux and Android will be harder to come by.
[19:01] <jimerickson> indeed they are. still sad though.
[19:04] <jimerickson> alright i suppose i will switch to a raspberrypi and run raspian. thats a topic for a different channel though ;)
[19:05] <ogra_> well, you coudl use ubuntu touch on some old phone :)
[19:05] <ogra_> (or on a nexus7)
[19:06] <ogra_> ubuntu-touch is becoming the new ubuntu-arm-desktop
[19:07] <doomlord> does ubuntu on n7 use the gpu/ opengl
[19:07] <doomlord> ubuntu-arm desktop that is
[19:07] <ogra_> yes
[19:08] <ogra_> it uses the binary tegra3 Xorg driver
[19:08] <doomlord> has anyone here had dual-boot working?
[19:08] <doomlord> (android/ubuntu)
[19:08] <ogra_> some people do, we dont encourage it though
[19:09] <ogra_> since we dont really test with it and might just wipe your android accidentially
[19:09]  * tassadar_ raises his hand
[19:09] <ogra_> right, talk to tassadar_, he'S the dual boot guru :)
[19:09] <doomlord> i'm using my n7 as an android development target, however one reason i bought an n7 was seeing the ubuntu support
[19:10] <ogra_> well, long term the ubuntu-desktop image for it will turn into ubuntu-touch ....
[19:10] <ogra_> which means it will run an android/ubuntu hybrid core
[19:10] <doomlord> will you still be able to enable the desktop on a touch device (like in win8)
[19:11] <doomlord> i know it wont be optimal
[19:11] <ogra_> we will definitely have the convergence stuff some point after 13.10
[19:11] <ogra_> so that it runs the desktop once you dock it
[19:11] <tassadar_> it's soo unfortunate that n7 does not have hdmi :/
[19:11] <ogra_> but i doubt that you will be able to for example dual boot ...
[19:12] <ogra_> since the partitioning will be changed etc etc
[19:12] <doomlord> i guess when everything is inplace you'll less want to
[19:12] <ogra_> yeah :)
[19:12] <doomlord> but i would definitely want to be able to bring up the desktop even without docking
[19:12] <tassadar_> I still wonder how do you plan to repartition n7 Oo
[19:12] <ogra_> that might work once the desktop was moved to QML
[19:13] <doomlord> one thing i'm after is a Synergy client on tablet devices - to extend 'workspace' from my laptop..
[19:13] <ogra_> the next big change on touch will be the switch to Mir ... with that you will have to have Mir compatible toolkits
[19:14] <ogra_> (and will lose Xorg support until XMir exists ... which is a target for the desktop but not for touch atm ... so it wont be there immediately)
[19:15] <doomlord> is there a website / wiki describing all this
[19:15] <doomlord> some roadmap plans..
[19:15] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec?action=show&redirect=MirSpec#Mir_Today
[19:17] <doomlord> mir is like wayland?
[19:17] <ogra_> kind of ... but totally different :)
[19:18] <ogra_> they will be able to use the same drivers in the end ... and have a similar but slightly different protocol ... but for example the input layer will be a totally different thing in Mir ...
[19:19] <ogra_> and Mir is currently using android drivers, Wayland completely dropped android support plans
[19:19] <doomlord> mir is for androiid AND x86 pcs?
[19:19] <ogra_> for more details ask in #ubuntu-mir :)
[19:19] <ogra_> yes
[19:20] <doomlord> is this somethiing that has partial implementations now that you can experiment with
[19:20] <ogra_> well it is for ubuntu touch and PCs :)
[19:20] <ogra_> ubuntu touch just happens to use android drivers
[19:21] <ogra_> ask in #ubuntu-mir ... i think they are working on N7 support right now
[19:21] <ogra_> since N7 and N4 will be the first devices using it
[23:40] <xnox> it can show pretty 3D cats now =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjb8a8ISKWY
[23:46] <geoffmcc> is there an older.dist that will work on arm v6?
[23:48] <geoffmcc> ´
[23:49] <k1l> Limited support for earlier instruction sets (ARMv5t, ARMv6) was available in early releases of the ARM port (jaunty, karmic).
[23:49] <k1l> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[23:58] <angs> I have configurations on /etc/network/interfaces, on each boot I get this outputs Waiting for network configuration... Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration... that causes 2 min delay on each boot. how can I skip this message on the boot without deleting /etc/network/interface settings?