=== doko_ is now known as doko === prp^2 is now known as prpplague === chihchun is now known as zz_chihchun === zz_chihchun is now known as chihchun [06:42] * Snark is pondering... N7 or chromebook? [08:25] two questions on the chromebook : is there somewhere documentation on how to get ubuntu *on* the device (not on a usb key)? Is it possible to let an SD card in it the whole time (like I do with the AC100)? [08:26] I have never seen documented how to put ubuntu on the mmc, and I have read (can't remember where) that the SD card was really sticking out when put in, so can't really be left there [10:24] Snark: ac100 uses sdcard or usb stick for _intallation_ afterwards ubuntu is installed on to normal partitions..... [10:25] some devices do limit one which places it can boot from, so a panda can only do usb on the go boot or boot from sd card. [10:27] xnox: you can also install to external on the ac100 [10:27] from usb to sd or vice versa [10:35] no, there is a bug :) [10:35] you can install to usb from SD, but not the other way round [10:36] Snark, look for the chrubuntu scripts, i have ubuntu on the internal MMC on my chromebook ... they resized the system partition to make room for it so i have a parallel install [10:37] (i think hrw did the same initially on his) [10:37] yes [10:38] i'm pondering to get http://eu.apacer.com/products/AH152 for a re-install though [10:38] doesnt stick out to much and should be faster than the MMC [10:38] (or any SD card) [10:39] ogra_: price? [10:39] dunno, i still havent found a european shop that sells it ... should be below $30 [10:40] its not as fast as it could be, but stilll gets you around 60MB/s for reading and around 80 for writing [10:41] err, other way rouond [10:41] 80 for readfing, 60 for writing [10:41] (write speed doesnt concern me to much with 2G of ram though ... i just want fast reads) [10:52] I use external hdd on usb3 port [10:53] i dont like to have something hanging off the device .... and long USB sticks are to dangerous ... they easily turn into levers that open your case [10:54] ogra_: I use that hdd only at home [10:54] ogra_: chromebook -> usb3 hub -> {usb3 hdd, usb2 eth} [10:54] yeah, not really a good idea if you want to put the OS on it :) [10:54] and still take the laptop with you [10:55] 10.5GB on internal is enough [10:56] yeah, its not the size, its the speed :) [10:57] i'm fine with carrying data on SD ... but i want the OS to be snappy [10:57] ogra_: wasn't emmc 50-60MB/s? [10:57] or snappier ... [10:59] ogra_, I need more room -- I have about 10G which I need to have quite accessible (slow isn't a problem) [11:00] hrw, 34MB/s according to hdparm [11:00] (and according to dd tests) [11:00] add to that the system and the sage installation on a reasonably fast "disk" (mmc) [11:00] ogra_: enough for me [11:00] Snark, well, add a 32G SD card then [11:01] ogra_, it must not stick out too much [11:01] or get such a tiny USB key ... 2.0 ones are easy to get [11:01] if you dont care about speed, 2.0 ones are all around [11:02] http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/08/12/worlds-smallest-micro-sdhc-usb-card-reader/ [11:02] get one of these :) [11:03] ogra_: usb2.0 card readers are fine with today's 'fast' sd cards [11:03] my 32GB samsung microsd does just 19MB/s [11:03] yeah [11:03] nevermind sd slot or usb2 port [11:03] I don't need very fast on that part of the data [11:03] if you dont care about speed thats definitelty fine [11:05] ogra_, ok, that leaves the question on kicking chromeos out of the device and have only ubuntu [11:05] (and a solution where hitting space at the wrong moment won't destroy the system) [11:05] hitting space ? [11:05] ogra_: instead of ctrl-d [11:06] ah [11:06] i doubt thats easily fixable [11:06] ogra_: press space and devmode will be off [11:06] yeah, i remember [11:06] never happened to me [11:06] Snark: are you brave enough and have 249$ spare? [11:07] u-boot can be reflashed [11:07] that bright white bootscreen is so heavily in your face, i doubt you will hit space accidentially [11:22] you know... I feel that I should finally update chromebook packages in ubuntu... [11:22] but laziness wins === nslu2-log_ is now known as nslu2-log [11:24] hrw, well, i feel like i finally should make flas-kernel work ... but laziness wins too here [11:24] (though the oopses on boot wi5th the std kernel actually annoy me) [11:24] ogra_: flash-kernel for chromebook? [11:25] indeed [11:25] to just install a packaged kernel without hassle [11:25] ogra_: I think we need first to switch to chainloaded uboot [11:25] so no signing of kernels etc [11:25] why ? [11:25] you packaged the signing tools, didnt you ? [11:25] ogra_: now you need /etc/default/chromebook-cmdline file [11:26] ogra_: and they are stuck in Debian NEW for >month [11:26] thats fine [11:26] f-k can ship a default [11:26] ogra_: there is no such thing as default [11:26] well, nothing blocks us of going ahead and pulling them into ubuntu first [11:26] default is p2 on sd? p2 on usb? p7 on emmc/sd/usb? [11:27] there is a default in /proc/cmdline, no ? [11:27] no [11:27] ach, that way [11:27] check how you booted and reuse? [11:27] ogra@chromebook:~$ cat /proc/cmdline [11:27] cros_secure console= console=tty1 debug verbose root=/dev/mmcblk0p7 rootwait rw [11:28] just adjust if needed ... else just dump it into the default [11:32] so why does my SD card not mount anymore ... hmm [11:36] * ogra_ wonders why these global notices never go into the channel i'm current;y in === PaulePan1er is now known as PaulePanter === alf_ is now known as alf|lunch [12:28] hrw, 249$ translates to 299€, don't you know? But yes, I'm brave enough: if I buy remote, I have seven days to change my mind ;-) [12:28] Snark: or to 229GBP [12:29] Snark: you can flash own u-boot. but no instructions from me. [12:31] eh, if I have no instructions from anyone, I can't do that === chihchun is now known as zz_chihchun [12:41] hrw, is there some documentation somewhere of a similar... uh... hack on another type of computer [12:41] ? [12:47] eh... the space bar problem is not on each suspend+resume but only on bootup, right? [12:52] right [13:13] ogra_: does your omap3 ubuntu-server 12.04 image for beagleboard-xm include firewall/firewall setting? [13:13] how can I check it? [13:13] if it has or not [13:16] * Snark really wonders what he should buy [13:16] :-/ [13:17] angs, ubuntu doesn not use any firewalls by default [13:17] ogra_, thank you [13:18] angs, but ufw is available (and iptables (which is the backenmd for ufw) shoudl eb enabled in the kernel) in case you are paranoid ... [13:19] usually you dont need any firefalling since there are no ports open by default, they only get opened once you install the respective package (i.e. a webserver to open port 80) [13:19] no I am having a network problem, I was wondering if there is any firewall setting or so that causes problem. [13:19] nope [13:19] thank you [13:24] hmm [13:24] http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1 [13:25] infinity, ^^^ landa replacements ? [13:25] *panda === alf|lunch is now known as alf_ [15:16] ogra_: No. We're getting real server kit. [15:16] ah, good [15:16] in 2020 ? [15:17] Soon, if all goes well. :/ [15:17] heh ... soon ... [15:43] is the ath9k_htc driver on ubuntu-server released by Atheros or developed by open source committee? [15:51] angs: It's in the upstream kernel source. [15:52] infinity, I don't know much about kernels, do you know if the source is developed by Atheros? [15:52] source of ath9k_htc [15:54] angs: Atheros participates, but you asked if it was "by open source committee", and it being upstream means "yes". [15:54] angs: Atheros donated the original source, and continues to contribute, but they're not the only contributors. [15:55] infinity, I got it now, thank you [15:56] I have a usb dongle that has atheros chipset, is the driver version as same as kernel version? [16:09] s/committee/community/ makes more sense =) === calculu5 is now known as calculus [16:35] communitee [17:25] have a nice Easter/weekend guys [17:26] hrw, you too ... and i wish you big eggs and all ... [17:26] (or so ... ) [17:26] ogra_: I go to Saarbrucken, DE for demoscene party [17:27] oh, with your daughter ? [17:27] alone [17:27] poor girl ... [17:27] we stays with Ania [17:27] by [17:27] e [17:27] ciao [17:27] and enjoy :) [17:40] hi. I would like to run an Ubuntu ARM server inside qemu on my amd64 laptop. I wonder if there was any way to get the ubuntu-installer from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/raring/main/installer-armhf/current/images/ started in a similar way to the installer on i386 [17:40] in my experiments, I always ended up with a black screen. is there some documentation what kernel parameters I need to pass, so that I get something on the serial console? [18:50] was having issues with bug #1159890. but now ubuiquity freezes solid at "Installing libdvdnav4". no mouse no keyboard. pandaboard ES todays image. [18:50] Launchpad bug 1159890 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "omapdss SPI error: could not enable display: no manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1159890 [18:51] now the question would be why do we install libdvdnav4 at all :) [18:52] sounds a bit like a kernel issue with USB though [18:53] ok i will try again tomorrow i guess, crosses fingers. thanks ogra_ [18:54] well, we dont touch these images for raring (in fact we were about to drop that flavour completely ...) i'll do a test myself after easter ... [18:54] theroetically the kernel and setup is identical to quantal [18:55] just with updated package versions ... [18:55] (for the desktop) [18:55] do you mean omap4-armhf will be dropped? sad panda is sad. [18:55] panda has been killed by TI [18:55] oh i see [18:55] like ... they fired ~500 ppl [18:55] yikes! [18:55] everyone working on panda and mobile OMAP [18:56] We'll probably drop the desktop images, we won't drop Panda kernel support (the new -generic kernel supports Panda as well) [18:56] infinity, nope, we wont [18:56] But without PVR GLES drivers, we can't support the desktop. [18:56] ogra_: We won't what? [18:56] after much back and forth we will keep desktop with quantal kernel as unsupported images [18:56] ogra_: I meant "in the future", not this release. [18:57] ah, yeah [18:57] ogra_: I know what the plan is for this release. [18:57] they will go away first thing in S [18:57] ok, i wasnt sure [18:57] because the plan changed every hour for the last weeks [18:57] But even in S, Panda will still have kernel support, just no desktop support, due to the pvr-omap mess. [18:57] right, it should be -generic and server images [18:58] Also, the rumours of the death of OMAP are greatly exaggerated, according to every TI person I talked to at Connect. [18:58] So, try not to spread too much misinformation. [18:58] heh, OMAP in mobile is dead [18:58] They switched OMAP focus away from mobile, yes. [18:58] and all mobile engineers are gone [18:58] But it's still very much alive. Just not for phones, tablets, etc. [18:58] right [18:59] well, i'm just echoing theoir press releases [18:59] so should i keep panda and run android or just retire it? [18:59] if their marketing makes a mess dont make me responsible :) [18:59] jimerickson: Android will have the same issues. [18:59] right [18:59] oh ok [18:59] jimerickson, you can still test server [19:00] and use it if you ever plan to build arm packages [19:00] alright [19:00] They're fine little headless machines still. But 3D acceleration on desktop Linux and Android will be harder to come by. [19:01] indeed they are. still sad though. [19:04] alright i suppose i will switch to a raspberrypi and run raspian. thats a topic for a different channel though ;) [19:05] well, you coudl use ubuntu touch on some old phone :) [19:05] (or on a nexus7) [19:06] ubuntu-touch is becoming the new ubuntu-arm-desktop [19:07] does ubuntu on n7 use the gpu/ opengl [19:07] ubuntu-arm desktop that is [19:07] yes [19:08] it uses the binary tegra3 Xorg driver [19:08] has anyone here had dual-boot working? [19:08] (android/ubuntu) [19:08] some people do, we dont encourage it though [19:09] since we dont really test with it and might just wipe your android accidentially [19:09] * tassadar_ raises his hand [19:09] right, talk to tassadar_, he'S the dual boot guru :) [19:09] i'm using my n7 as an android development target, however one reason i bought an n7 was seeing the ubuntu support [19:10] well, long term the ubuntu-desktop image for it will turn into ubuntu-touch .... [19:10] which means it will run an android/ubuntu hybrid core [19:10] will you still be able to enable the desktop on a touch device (like in win8) [19:11] i know it wont be optimal [19:11] we will definitely have the convergence stuff some point after 13.10 [19:11] so that it runs the desktop once you dock it [19:11] it's soo unfortunate that n7 does not have hdmi :/ [19:11] but i doubt that you will be able to for example dual boot ... [19:12] since the partitioning will be changed etc etc [19:12] i guess when everything is inplace you'll less want to [19:12] yeah :) [19:12] but i would definitely want to be able to bring up the desktop even without docking [19:12] I still wonder how do you plan to repartition n7 Oo [19:12] that might work once the desktop was moved to QML [19:13] one thing i'm after is a Synergy client on tablet devices - to extend 'workspace' from my laptop.. [19:13] the next big change on touch will be the switch to Mir ... with that you will have to have Mir compatible toolkits [19:14] (and will lose Xorg support until XMir exists ... which is a target for the desktop but not for touch atm ... so it wont be there immediately) [19:15] is there a website / wiki describing all this [19:15] some roadmap plans.. [19:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec?action=show&redirect=MirSpec#Mir_Today [19:17] mir is like wayland? [19:17] kind of ... but totally different :) [19:18] they will be able to use the same drivers in the end ... and have a similar but slightly different protocol ... but for example the input layer will be a totally different thing in Mir ... [19:19] and Mir is currently using android drivers, Wayland completely dropped android support plans [19:19] mir is for androiid AND x86 pcs? [19:19] for more details ask in #ubuntu-mir :) [19:19] yes [19:20] is this somethiing that has partial implementations now that you can experiment with [19:20] well it is for ubuntu touch and PCs :) [19:20] ubuntu touch just happens to use android drivers [19:21] ask in #ubuntu-mir ... i think they are working on N7 support right now [19:21] since N7 and N4 will be the first devices using it === ndec_ is now known as ndec [23:40] it can show pretty 3D cats now =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjb8a8ISKWY [23:46] is there an older.dist that will work on arm v6? [23:48] ´ [23:49] Limited support for earlier instruction sets (ARMv5t, ARMv6) was available in early releases of the ARM port (jaunty, karmic). [23:49] from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM [23:58] I have configurations on /etc/network/interfaces, on each boot I get this outputs Waiting for network configuration... Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration... that causes 2 min delay on each boot. how can I skip this message on the boot without deleting /etc/network/interface settings?