[00:11] i hear crickets chirping... === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [00:21] lessent: afaik there are no python bindings, and btw. qt5 feels very stable [00:21] hey, anyone started already building easter eggs? [00:21] or april jokes [00:22] thanx.. [00:26] hey ubuntu-touch devs, what do you think abount the possibility of zsync daily images? [00:29] sadly you cant zsync zipped files [00:29] i mean, you can ... but it wont gain you anything over a fill download [00:29] *full [00:30] oh, yes... i don't know how zsync works... [00:30] has nothing to do with zsync, rsync has the same issue (or any sunying mechanism) ... its due to the nature of file compression [00:31] *syncing [00:32] ogra_, some zsync tool like would be great to gain time [00:32] the only compression tool that produces syncable files is gzip to my knowledge ... and only due to a hack [00:32] sadly we cant use gzip since android expects zips [00:33] (someone could port the rsync hack from gzip to zip indeed ... ) [00:38] then only source sync ... :) === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [02:15] hello? [02:15] How can I install tablet with X86 platform [02:21] !tablet | onborad pretty sure its ARM, as-is === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [02:21] onborad pretty sure its ARM, as-is: Information about the Ubuntu Touch platform for Phone and Tablet is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch support and discussion in #ubuntu-touch [02:23] ubot5: oh I see, I want to know release 13.04 version support multitouch ? [02:23] onborad: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:24] !13.04 | onborad [02:24] onborad: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) will be the 18th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1 [02:24] maybe you just want to install normal ubuntu or ligher on your tablet [02:25] yes holstein [02:26] holstein: I want to about tec multitouch ,is unity feature? [02:28] 12.10 is well? [02:29] onborad: i would just load it up live [02:50] unity supports multitouch [02:50] but there are a lot of programs that don't [03:13] lilstevie, I don't know you means ,a lot of programs don't support multitouch ? [03:59] anybody on? [04:18] me [04:19] watching doctor who [04:19] hey [04:19] wassup? [04:19] :-) [04:20] can't wait for the 30th [04:22] whats then? [04:25] is there a build of touch that runs as a virtual machine? i.e. on vmware/kvm etc? [04:25] would like to install on my ESXi box then access using an iPad over vnc or teamviewer [04:26] TRiAGE: none that I know of [04:26] TRiAGE, i can probably make a Android 86x port [04:27] except it may not work [04:27] dank101: interesting - so ubuntu touch running on top of an android kernel? [04:28] if the rootfs is based on Ubuntu ARM [04:28] then were F**ked [04:28] ahh [04:29] not just [04:29] it needs sys components [04:29] yeah - thinking more about it, i see that it would be driver hell [04:29] Still [04:29] i got this [04:30] maybe [04:30] ajor issue [04:30] *Major issue [04:30] it would only work as a life USB [04:31] *live [04:31] and you would need to DD it [04:59] Hey folks. I'm flashing my Nexus 7 with the dev preview, and it seems to be hanging at the Pushing /home/tony/Downloads/phablet-flash/48/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip to /sdcard/autodeploy.zip [05:00] how long should this process take? [05:01] 10 secs to 30 mins [05:02] thanks! Android OS is still operational on my tablet so I was concerned that nothing was happening. Any way to know whether there is a problem or if things are working normally? [05:03] nope [05:03] infact thats good [05:03] join the doc [05:03] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Eb_7CJaYJe4UMDCrOz_BQQyRg2Loe9d9NzE-S94Cc7E/edit?usp=sharing [05:06] hai === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === cm is now known as Guest48167 [06:30] worlds biggest botnet [06:31] attacking [06:31] #WhyIUseLinux === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === speakman_ is now known as speakman [08:03] good morning [08:14] Hi all [08:14] Has anyone flashed the UoS on N4 ? [08:15] i was wondering if its possible to install the Ubuntu OS on N4 , using CWM or TWRP ? === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === tvoss is now known as tvoss|lunch === jpetersen_ is now known as jpetersen [11:53] kaleo_: bzoltan seems something has changed in the ui toolkit recently which has broken the facebook app we're developing.. https://code.launchpad.net/~hmiguellima/ubuntu-facebook-app/hlima-initial this branch... [11:54] kaleo_: bzoltan it used a hidden tab so the view either shows the tab where you can see the list of accounts pulled from online-accounts, or your facebook stream.. but something has changed which broke hidden tabs.. [11:56] kaleo_: bzoltan should we file a bug in the ui toolkit? [11:56] popey: yes, please [11:57] popey: please assign it to tpeeters [11:58] ok === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:33] renato: ping [12:33] gusch, hi [12:34] renato: are you open for a MP (or 2?) [12:34] gusch, sure I can take a look [12:34] I just need to finish one bug fix here :D [12:34] renato: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-move-unittests/+merge/155948 and https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/autopilot-tests-refactoring/+merge/155926 [12:35] renato: both "only" refactorings [12:40] gusch, ok [12:45] popey: the upcoming clock app design meeting..is it in the ubuntu-touch-meeting room or in g+ hangout? === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:54] nik90: hangout === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [13:01] popey: Is the doc viewer meeting this evening in ubuntu-touch-meeting ? [13:06] popey, ping [13:06] renato: thx - I updated and commented === lubuntu is now known as Guest3643 [13:20] Robin_Watts: yes [13:20] jhodapp: pong [13:21] popey, did give any more thought on whether you want the YouTube app to call the media player, or for there to be a component that you can embed? [13:21] ogra_: any idea why the links on cdimage are busted? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/ [13:21] except for current [13:21] jhodapp: ideally both ☺ [13:21] popey, ha! :) [13:21] jhodapp: in vertical orientation you'd want the video embedded with ratings / comments below === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:22] in horizontal, it makes more sense to go full screen [13:22] pmcgowan, they arent here [13:22] if both can be done via a component, then fine [13:22] but it seemed like the landscape view would be more appropriate to be launched in the external player [13:22] popey, I think we can do both, and actually the component should be close to working today [13:22] oh awesome [13:23] ogra_: works for you? [13:23] yes, as supposed [13:23] if you have anything the youtube guys can play with, do let them know via the mailing list [13:23] hmm [13:23] popey, if you have a moment, we can hangout or mumble about it if you want [13:23] sure [13:23] 26 gets me to the image from 26th ... and for the others its alike [13:23] now? [13:23] ogra_: sorry my bad, works for me too [13:23] popey, yes [13:23] stale page [13:23] jhodapp: http://popey.com/hangout [13:23] cool [13:23] phew [13:27] do i really need an launchpad account to join the mailinglist? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install (at the very bottom) sounds like i do :( [13:29] hikiko: what's the status here? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-max-texture-size/+merge/155675 [13:33] oSoMoN: would your fix for the checkboxes in the browser be in the current build yet? [13:33] oSoMoN: I don't know what the delay between fix released and in an image is [13:36] gusch, sorry I didn't see the highlight [13:41] h01ger: I believe so, since that mailing lists is handled by LP infrastructure [13:41] LP also gets one eg. the PPA:s to build apps in, so it has probably been thought LP account is useful anyhow [13:42] but obviously it's one more account among the interweb's accounts [13:46] gusch, works fine on the desktop, I just approved it [13:47] jcastro_: it should be, let me check [13:48] hikiko: \o/ [13:48] hikiko: please top approve it as well [13:48] jcastro_, check the .manifest file [13:49] gusch, done :) [13:49] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.manifest [13:49] webbrowser-app 0.17 [13:49] jcastro_: confirmed, the fix is in the latest build [13:49] hikiko: thx [13:49] welcome :) [13:51] oSoMoN: thanks! [13:53] jcastro_: note that because of https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112933, the survey is not usable in the browser yet, but there’s some progress, and yesterday someone on the webkit team picked up the bug, so there’s hope we’ll have a fix soon [13:53] bugs.webkit.org bug 112933 in WebKit Qt "[Qt] The web process crashes when selecting an option off a dropdown at http://juju.ubuntu.com/survey" [Normal,Assigned] [13:55] oSoMoN: ack, I'll follow along with the bug upstream [13:55] renato: pushed another update [13:56] * asr33 summation: ubuntu-touch will be amazon's netflix! I just bought this n7 hardware and I'm not going to run android on it... and I'm not going to run ubuntu-netflix either... so another useless bit of hardware for the basement! [13:58] asr33, how do you mean ? [13:59] it is just going to be an amazon shop front. [14:00] I understand that financing must be found somewhere [14:00] asr33, i dont get you [14:00] there is no amazon stuff in ubuntu touch at all [14:01] this is so fare from Linux it is pointless proceeding any further [14:01] ?? [14:01] asr33, are you here for just pointless and unfundes trolling or do you have anything constructive to say [14:01] *unfunded [14:01] anyway I'm chucking my n7 in the rubbish bin [14:02] with the trash [14:02] ...silly rich people wasting n7s! [14:02] heh, yeah === tvoss|lunch is now known as tvoss [14:18] renato: can you approve it? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-move-unittests/+merge/155948 [14:19] gusch, approved [14:19] renato: thanks === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === Guest59908 is now known as tal === tal is now known as Guest46076 === Guest46076 is now known as tal === Kyle_ is now known as Kyle [15:57] hey, for the ubuntu components, how do I make one of those menu bar things that pop up from the bottom? [15:57] kaleo_, ? === [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] [16:01] Hi guys [16:01] Someone can help me with installing ubuntu-sdk? [16:03] I already used it, but after migrating on Qt 5.0.1 it is disappeared... [16:05] QtRoS: did you do apt-get install ubuntu-sdk? [16:06] matge: says that "ubuntu-sdk is already the newest version." [16:06] But where is it? [16:06] QtRoS: then what do you mean by "disappeared" ? [16:06] Qt creator haven't Ubuntu welcome page [16:06] Now haven't [16:06] btw. dpkg -L ubuntu-sdk shows you where it is [16:07] but ubuntu-sdk is mostly a meta package pulling in many dependencies [16:07] did you do apt-get dist-upgrade? [16:08] yep! [16:08] After dpkg -L ubuntu-sdk I see [16:08] "/. [16:08] /usr [16:08] /usr/share [16:08] /usr/share/doc [16:08] /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-sdk [16:09] /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-sdk/copyright [16:09] /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-sdk/changelog.gz" [16:09] I see that, too [16:09] May be problem in Qt creator? Mb I use incorrect version? [16:10] the ubuntu-sdk-qt-creator integration is a different package. I don't know which, but it's an depedency of ubuntu-sdk [16:10] my qt-creator is 2.6.84 [16:11] 2.6.2 .... [16:11] Old ... [16:11] Hmm... Where I should get your version? [16:12] QtRoS: try running sudo apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-sdk [16:12] yep, I think ubuntu plugins for 2.7 [16:13] "ubuntu-sdk is already the newest version." :( [16:13] remove and re-install? [16:15] Ok, trying ... [16:16] sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-sdk? [16:16] how I can remove all dependent packages too? [16:18] Sorry for this questions, I am not strong ubuntu user :( [16:24] Anyone home? [16:25] Guys? [16:25] Hi QtRoS [16:25] QtRoS: Just use sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-sdk -- then re-install [16:25] Hi agcalmitaITA. [16:26] moocow1452: Hello! [16:26] Just you guys? [16:26] seems like ubuntu-sdk is tiny 26 kb package ... [16:26] Us and the other 274... [16:26] QtRoS: Hmmmm... [16:27] QtRoS, could you ppa-purge? [16:28] QtRoS: hi! it sounds like you're not having sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa as instructed there: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [16:29] that's why you don't have the new qtcreator nor the ubuntu plugin (nor the newest ubuntu-sdk metapackage version) [16:29] Mirv: I entered full command from "Go mobile" sheet [16:30] I have ... [16:31] How I can remove them and then append again? [16:31] Mb it will help? [16:31] QtRoS, do that again, but break up the commands by the &&, so they don't trample on each other. [16:31] That's weird, did you get my entire message or did it just send the last half or so. [16:32] QtRoS: if you first run: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [16:32] QtRoS: I mean: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ === Lloir_ is now known as Lloir [16:33] QtRoS: :) 3rd time sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa [16:33] QtRoS: then sudo apt-get update [16:33] QtRoS: you should be able to run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:33] QtRoS: and: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk [16:34] wait minute - where I can find QtCreator from Ubuntu SDK? [16:34] QtRoS: if do the four commands above ^, Qt Creator and the Ubuntu plugin get installed for you [16:35] And how I can launch? [16:35] It? [16:36] QtRoS: if you're using normal Ubuntu (Unity desktop), search for "Qt Creator" in Dash [16:36] it should probably appear already after writing Qt [16:36] Both "Qt Creators" in dash results are not correct :( [16:37] One from QtSDK, v2.4.1 [16:37] QtRoS: after the commands mentioned you should have qtcreator 2.7rc [16:37] Another from ... from my own Qt5.0.1, v 2.6 [16:37] ah, right, QtSDK is something that gets installed in your home directory [16:38] No, they both installed in /home/Qt/ [16:38] but if you install the system Qt Creator from the SDK PPA:s, it will be at /usr/bin/qtcreator (and 2.7rc) [16:38] Lol, I found it [16:39] Why I can't see him in dash before? [16:39] :) good. maybe you just have so many of them.. [16:39] Because of my another Qt creator from Qt5.0.1 [16:39] not sure why Dash wouldn't show three of them [16:39] ? [16:40] Anyway, I'm trying to port Ubuntu Touch to my Nook Color, because I promised someone on XDA I'd try, but I'm stuck modifying to Repo, as neither the Cyanogen nor the NookieDevs fork of device and kernel want to play nice. Any ideas, or could I do it locally? [16:40] sergiusens, looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1303-cdimage-android-builds i assume your open WI is for next month (i'm just moving the open ones to the right spots here) [16:41] QtRoS: anyway, as mentioned on the mailing list I'm off now, but glad that you at least found it some way now :) [16:41] But it's version again 2.6.8 :D [16:41] Mirv: big thanks) I can continue development on this version too :) [16:41] or not the mailing list but e-mail [16:42] you're welcome [16:45] One issue - I can run ubuntu sdk QtCreator only from /usr/bin/, can't lock to launcher :( [16:45] But it is not big deal to correct :) [16:49] Not the right place for porting advice I guess? [17:20] robru, did I hear you had some question on modernizing packaging for touch apps? I recently did a couple, may be able to help === io is now known as IdleOne [17:35] mterry, ehhh? just the ones that didrocks assigned to me in that blueprint. I was pestering jhodapp about some build failures... [17:36] pestering for sure! ;p [17:37] robru, oh, OK. well, ask away if you do have problems, as always :) [17:37] robru, did the build failures get squared away? === lubuntu is now known as Guest4645 [17:37] mterry, unfortunately no... jhodapp says that particular package is arm-only, so I don't think there's much we can do with that. [17:38] mterry, at least, he said it woudl require "a lot of work" to make it build on amd64. lots of arch-specific code in it [17:38] robru, were you able to file a bug against it though? [17:38] robru, for an app? I didn't think we had any arm-only apps, just the lower level stuff like qtubuntu [17:38] mterry, yeah, it was a lower level thing. qtubuntu-camera [17:39] jhodapp, no, I didn't file a bug... didn't realize you were expecting me to [17:39] robru, if you wouldn't mind, that should be fixed and I'd greatly appreciate a bug filed against it [17:39] jhodapp, oh, ok. [17:40] robru, thanks much! [17:40] robru, you can assign it to me [17:40] jhodapp, oh, we didn't enable the bug tracker on the individual projects... where should I file this bug to? [17:41] mterry, ^^ [17:41] robru, bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images should work [18:00] gusch, ping [18:00] robru: pong [18:01] gusch, struggling with https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/qtubuntu-cameraplugin-fake/packaging/+merge/153652 still... do you have any idea how qmake creates this /usr/tests thing? I can't see how to get it to stop creating that file [18:02] robru: well the last error seem to be pure jenkins error [18:03] robru: what happens if we just rebuild it? [18:03] gusch, oh yeah, no, not talking about jenkins error. What I mean is, the solution that I put in was to delete the file from the packaging data, but I'm told that's not acceptable, it needs to be fixed directly in the source. [18:04] so if I delete the 'rm -rf' line that I added to the packaging, it gets all kinds of warnings about nonstandard files ;-) [18:05] gusch, just pretend that https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/qtubuntu-cameraplugin-fake/packaging/+merge/153652/comments/335422 is the current error message ;-) [18:06] jhodapp, maybe you know a thing or two about qmake? ^^ [18:07] robru: I can take a look at how to install the tests on a proper place [18:07] robru: but I need to go in a minute [18:07] robru: are you around tomorrow? [18:07] gusch, probably not, good friday over here [18:07] robru, I know only a little bit from my trials with it doing the media stuff :) [18:08] robru: or if you like, you can convert to cmake ;) [18:08] jhodapp, ok, no worries [18:08] robru, convert it to cmake! :) [18:08] gusch, hah, never used either [18:10] robru: you could try something like "target.path = /usr/share/gallery-app-unittests" [18:10] robru: and then "INSTALLS += target" [18:11] anybody around for the calculator app meeting? [18:11] gusch where would I put that? [18:12] robru: in the .pro file of every test (or better include from a common .pri file) [18:12] robru: but for a first test just adding that in every test .pro is ok [18:12] gusch, ok I'll give it a shot [18:13] gusch, I'll probably be around tomorrow "unofficially" ;-) [18:13] gusch, thanks [18:14] robru: guarante that this works ... === Guest95400 is now known as IanWizard-Cloud === mibofra is now known as mibofra_AWAY === mibofra_AWAY is now known as mibofra === lpotter-bris is now known as lpotter [19:48] popey: see my email to the YouTube devs? [19:51] awesome ! [19:51] * ogra_ just read it [19:51] ogra_, oh thanks [20:06] anybody around for the rss reader app meeting? [20:30] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Eb_7CJaYJe4UMDCrOz_BQQyRg2Loe9d9NzE-S94Cc7E/edit [20:32] anybody from the doc viewer team available for today's meeting? === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [20:43] is it po [20:45] is it possible to use AOSP code to make Ubuntu Touch instead of CM code? [20:47] dank101: yes it is. [20:47] dank101: we used CM since it had more device support than AOSP [20:47] wait [20:47] YOUR on the dev team? [20:47] (assuming) [20:47] dank101: yes I am [20:47] :D thanks [20:48] that make eerything better [20:48] and also [20:48] must the processer be ARM [20:48] yes [20:48] darn [20:48] bye bye 86x idea [20:49] dank101: well you could run in on x86 assuming you had all the binary drivers [20:49] android 86x? [20:49] right [20:50] well [20:50] There we GO [20:50] now i can get this on VMWare and VirtualBox [20:50] maybe even [20:50] Oh my what has happened to todays daily [20:51] its broken a lot of the main apps [20:51] x86 ubuntu touch tablets :DD [20:52] thought id reinstall it to see how far along it had come and how stable it should be now and the GNEX camera app just gives me a white screen [20:52] there is a lot more lag than before as well [20:53] I know its a dev preview still but this is taking a step in the wrong direction [20:54] shaneo1: hey no one had mentioned problems today, but I have yesterdays image installed [20:54] i guess this is what happens when everyone and there android phones steps in and starts tinkering :( [20:54] should have concentrated on a select phew phones [20:54] few [20:55] I didnt see anything in today that would do that [20:55] we do === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [20:55] tere are only 4 official references [20:55] well I just installed it twice and its junk [20:55] on what device? [20:55] G Nexus [20:55] hmm [20:55] I know [20:56] let me try it, an updated qt5multimedia went in [20:56] if I try to send an sms the sms window is hidden behind the keyboard === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursula [20:57] the camera app is dead [20:57] there is lag on the screen shots in the video play back [20:57] the gallery app images take a very long time to load in [20:58] the phone-app conversation list of contacts is very laggy [20:58] whats going on [20:58] the mwc preview was the best [20:58] lol [20:59] shaneo1: try the tues build, it was lovely [20:59] it must be the easter bunny :-) [20:59] ok I will check it out [20:59] thanks [21:02] [Continuing from #ubuntu-touch-meeting] Good ways to get pdf test files include 1) downloading the 100 most popular PDF files from google. 2) Downloading the Ghent PDF test suite. 3) Taking our free ones. [21:03] or, if you have money, you can buy in test files from e.g. Quality Logic [21:03] We run the QL test suites internally. [21:07] rickspencer3: sorry about not seeing your ping earlier: use the http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-mainview.html#tools-prop [21:07] rickspencer3: doc is horrendous in this one so use the same syntax as in the example in http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-page.html [21:16] thanks pmcgowan tues build is ok [21:17] oh good, sorry about the regression will get folks on it [21:17] when are we likely to see a more active experience I heard there was talk of it just after the mwc [21:18] looking for something specific? lots is in process [21:18] no worries, I know there was an issue with the daily build server over the last couple of days may have caused and issue [21:18] im keen to see the music app and have a mess around with it [21:19] but I know this is not a core app, but an inhouse canonical r=one [21:19] one * [21:19] that one probably not anything for another month unfortunately [21:20] no worries, I know its gonna be great with all the hooking up to the U-one store :-) [21:21] one thing I will say is that Ubuntu on the G Nex has improved the speaker output compaired to android much louder === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [21:36] guise [21:36] ubuntu touch is really great [21:36] please keep up the good work [21:37] hi [21:37] hi bughead [21:37] i'd like to view the code of ubuntu phone, to learn and contribute [21:37] hello [21:38] but i'm a newbie and i cant find it :( [21:38] even I am curious [21:38] and would like to examine the source if I can [21:38] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps i thought it must be there [21:38] its on the phone in the Ubuntu folder [21:40] so i first have to install the preview before i can see the code itself? [21:40] have a read though the wiki [21:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [21:43] making some changes to the wiki guys [21:43] basically so that newbies have an easier time installing this [21:49] just wondering [21:50] i cant find anything like "phone or sms"-app in core-apps [21:50] will android apps be used for this or will i not be able to call someone? [21:55] telephone-app [21:55] telephony-app [21:56] but i think its changing to phone-app [21:56]