[00:02] <ali1234> see the thing is i only do two things: run the IT, and provide startup capital
[00:04] <AlanBell> is it going to be a success?
[00:04] <ali1234> probably not
[00:04] <AlanBell> then don't be a director (but have a share)
[00:05] <AlanBell> directors are responsible for winding it up correctly if it doesn't go anywhere. If it isn't your role to make the project a success then you don't need to be a director
[00:08] <popey> AlanBell: sooo.. fancy a visitor some time over the next few weeks for a day here or there? ☺
[00:08] <AlanBell> sure
[00:28] <ali1234> AlanBell: if i'm only a share holder, can the other two guys decide to issue themselves 1 million new shares, thus making my shares worthless?
[00:29] <ali1234> not that i think they'd do that, but you know
[00:35] <popey> ali1234: i think you need to document the process for issuing shares, and each year you need to report how many have been issued to companies house
[00:36] <popey> most of this is documented surprisingly well (without wishing to "RTFM" you) hmrc and companies house websites have data
[01:05] <AlanBell> http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/ownership-and-management/shares-and-shareholders/issuing-and-transferring-private-company-shares-26-faqs#1
[01:05] <AlanBell> generally if shares are being issued they have to be offered to shareholders first
[01:05] <AlanBell> in proportion to the existing holding
[01:05] <AlanBell> so no, you can't get screwed that way easily
[01:06] <AlanBell> this is one reason it is a PITA to not get it right in the first place
[01:07] <ali1234> cool
[01:11] <ali1234> ah, but if the board also holds 66% of the shares they can just out vote me, change the articles of association, and do whatever they want...
[01:13] <ali1234> in fact they could do that whether i'm a director or not
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:24] <kvarley> Morning
[08:27] <kvarley> How is the data provided on packages.ubuntu.com generated? is there an API for accessing the repositories? Or will it be some sort of python web wrapper that queries the lists on the server?
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I'm assuming it's the same as Debian uses for packages.debian.org
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> http://packages.debian.org/about/
[08:28] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Looks the same. :) thanks
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: ^ that's the source for it
[08:29] <kvarley> Ah, perl
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> ♥ Perl
[08:34] <kvarley> As far as I can tell it uses Perl to get results from a real Debian system and it then stores them
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> oh, I'd guess it parses Packages files for each architecture
[08:35] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Is it possible to add different architecture sources on a system? I know you won't be able to install any of the different architecture packages, but can you add the lists and search them?
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: what problem are you trying to solve?
[08:37] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Building a large project, this is part of it. I need access to a list of packages available in the repositories.
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: if the packages.debian.org code is too hard, I'd just write something to download Packages files and parse those
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> oh that's what that code does already
[08:38] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: You are right though
[08:38] <kvarley> The legacy code isn't ideal
[08:38] <kvarley> I'd have to host my own copy
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> yes.. or part of it
[08:38] <kvarley> So I may as well write my own which will respond in the formats I want
[08:39] <kvarley> Yeah, that's another option. Just make a wrapper that converts the results into a suitable format
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> don't forget to donate it back to debian/ubuntu if possible :)
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> A proper REST API on top of packages.* would be great :)
[08:39] <kvarley> The whole project is going to be open source when it's ready
[08:39] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: That's my plan :)
[08:39] <kvarley> It'll be MIT licensed most likely when I'm done
[08:50] <kvarley> Anybody know if Ubiquity has hooks for running a custom bash script after installation?
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityAutomation
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there's are ways to run commands when an install succeeds or fails
[08:52] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: \0/ thank you
[08:54] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:55] <kvarley> czajkowski:  \0
[08:55] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Any ideas whether the commands run as root or not?
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: as it's the installer, I assume it can be run as anyone :)
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: but I haven't done preseed scripts before, so I don't really know
[08:55] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ok, I'll find out shortly hehe
[09:15] <jacobw> Boo
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> 😨
[09:26] <kvarley> What tool is best for searching text? I want to search for "Package: " and grab whatever comes after it until a newline is reached
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> perl ;)
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> or grep
[09:29] <directhex> Packages is in a specific format, you want to use a lib for parsing it
[09:29] <andylockran> moning
[09:30] <directhex> http://search.cpan.org/~rclamp/Parse-Debian-Packages-0.03/lib/Parse/Debian/Packages.pm :)
[09:34] <JamesTait> Happy Weed Appreciation Day, everyone! :-D
[09:34] <SuperMatt> happy fake friday \o/
[09:35] <SuperMatt> also happy gnome 3.8
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: lovely dandelions, milk thistles, and other weeds?
[09:35] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, yes, those. Apparently. :)
[09:39] <kvarley> How can I match "Package: " until the end of a new line in sed?
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: http://search.cpan.org/~rclamp/Parse-Debian-Packages-0.03/lib/Parse/Debian/Packages.pm :)
[09:40] <SuperMatt> does anyone have an spf enabled domain I can drop an email to?
[09:41] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: What's that?
[09:41] <redtape-renegade> morning all ! o/
[09:44] <popey> kvarley: seen http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build  ?
[09:44] <popey> also
[09:44] <popey> !info live-build
[09:45] <kvarley> popey: Nice :)
[09:46] <popey> you may be re-creating a wheel that already exists
[09:46] <kvarley> It's odd because tools exist but they aren't doing what I envisaged
[09:47] <kvarley> I think it may be a case of building several things together
[09:55] <popey> kvarley: what are you envisaging?
[10:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:14] <xnox> kvarley: there is success & fail_commands. There is also a hooks dir, but that is only for pre-starting the installation.
[10:15] <xnox> kvarley: it's run as root, and "in the live system", so to fiddle with installed system one does something like "in-target add-apt-ppa -y paa:xnox/awesome" (the in-target will do the correct chroot with networking et al)
[10:16] <xnox> kvarley: there is also dctrl-grep to search Packages/dpkg/control fields etc.
[10:16] <kvarley> xnox: Nice. Do you know an easy way to go about adding my preseed to the iso? Or is it a case of re-packing?
[10:18] <directhex> kvarley, that sorta depends
[10:18] <xnox> kvarley: option (1): unpack iso add preseed.cfg, repack iso (there is default preseed location, no need to fiddle with squashfs etc). option (2): boot wiith url=http://192.168.122.1/preseed.cfg param option (3) netboot desktop cd with a preseed.
[10:18] <directhex> ... seems like xnox knows all the details, you're in good hands
[10:22] <kvarley> Thanks xnox :)
[10:22] <kvarley> Ty directhex
[10:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:34] <SuperMatt> morning
[10:34] <bigcalm> Is it not good?
[10:45] <directhex> blarg
[10:47] <bigcalm> It's Fridayish!
[10:50] <SuperMatt> :D
[10:51] <SuperMatt> cripes, I shouldn't have to rely on stardock to provide me with functionality that microsoft forgot
[10:58] <bigcalm> I rely upon Ubuntu for functionality that microsoft forgot ;)
[11:01] <SuperMatt> true, but there are a few exciting new games that I own, so I still have the old windows setup available
[11:05] <bigcalm> What's stardock?
[11:08] <popey> bigcalm: it implements some compiz/awn/docky like stuff on windows
[11:09]  * MartijnVdS justed opened the box for an intel "NUC"
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> and the "intel sound" played
[11:10] <popey> haha, that's awesome, we should put those inside Ubuntu CDs, have the ubuntu drums play when you open it
[11:13] <AlanBell> like those greeting cards, that would be cool :)
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> The thing also plays that sound through an on-board speaker at boot-time
[11:13] <BigRedS> haha, my nuc box is in my flat for that. Whenever anyone wins an argument they open the box
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> *disable*
[11:13] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ooh. Mine doesn't seem to have an onboard speaker. Which model have you got?
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: well it claims it does, I haven't heard it play the sound because I disabled it when browsing the bios :)
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: DCP847SKE is what I ahve
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> It looks like it's a very cool machine
[11:14] <BigRedS> ah! I've ended up with a USB sound card in mine since my monitor seems to have audio in but no form of audio out
[11:15] <BigRedS> I have the catchier-named D33217GKE
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's a much better name!
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: is that just the board, or the box+board?
[11:16] <BigRedS> ah, both
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> because mine came in its own VESA-mount sized box
[11:16] <BigRedS> yeah
[11:16] <BigRedS> mine, too. And the disk is smaller physically than the ram, but bigger logically by an order of magnitude...
[11:17] <BigRedS> this is the most involved I've been in buying a computer for a few years and everything's changed!
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> :)
[11:23] <BigRedS> though I'm still not really sure what I'm supposed to do with that vesa mount since my montior's being held up by it already. Is it to go between monitor and stand? Or hold the PC off to one side? But there's no spacers for the bolts on the other side...
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: nah you mount it on the back of the screen, and put the screen on the stand it came with
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> though not all screens have their VESA mounts available for that when the stand is attached
[11:23] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:24] <BigRedS> ah, right. I figure that if I really want to get it off my desk I can just hang it by the cat5 cable :)
[11:24] <bigcalm> hUMF
[11:24] <bigcalm> Humf
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ?
[11:25] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: net split threw me off freenode
[11:26] <bigcalm> BigRedS: might be better hanging it by the kingston lock
[11:27] <bigcalm> s/the/a
[11:32] <BigRedS> I don't have a kingston lock
[11:32] <BigRedS> but this is why cat5 cables clip in, isn't it?
[11:32] <BigRedS> so you can hang devices by them
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> must be
[11:37] <DJones> Azelphur: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21964881 Might be of interest re bitcoins
[11:38] <popey> it hit 90 USD earlier
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> Oops:
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> http://ark.intel.com/products/66886/Intel-Centrino-Wireless-N-105-Single-Band
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> Weight (in grams): Saturday, February 09, 2013
[11:45] <bigcalm> Amusing
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how heavy Saturday, February 09, 2013 is, in grams
[11:48]  * bigcalm avoids making a drug reference
[11:48] <popey> Dimensions: 12.3 kg × 35 mV × 8 bits/pixel
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: in raring how do you refresh a nautilus view of a folder?
[11:51] <popey> F5
[11:51] <popey> same as always
[11:51] <popey> cue AlanBell "lol always"
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: but.. gnome hate!
[11:53] <davmor2> popey: yeah but nautilus have removed any link to the option it's not in either of files menus
[11:55] <kvarley> xnox: Is this ok for a line in my preseed file? "ubiquity        ubiquity/early_command=/root/myscript"
[11:56] <xnox> early_command is executed from casper.
[11:57] <kvarley> xnox: I want to run something as soon as the live session loads or as the user starts the install. Is that possible?
[11:57] <xnox> and isn't suppose to be: "d-i text preseed/early_command=path/to/foo"
[11:58] <xnox> kvarley: define "live session"
[11:59] <xnox> kvarley: we have ubiquity-dm session (aka install now) and live session (aka try ubuntu) and one can launch ubiquity to install from the live session.
[11:59] <kvarley> xnox: The live session where the installer doesn't load straight away
[12:00] <xnox> kvarley: your early_command then should drop xdg autostart file to execute something, or have an upstart job which start on started lightdm.
[12:11] <kvarley> xnox: Is it possible to add startup items to the live session? The home directory isn't in the squashfs by default, if I created it would it be overriden?
[12:11] <xnox> /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[12:12] <kvarley> xnox: Thanks
[12:13] <AlanBell> popey: did F5 break?
[12:13]  * popey shrugs
[12:13] <AlanBell> alt-prtscr turned into a kernel reboot magic key for a while which was what I was referring to
[12:14] <davmor2> AlanBell: no but there is no menu reference to it so how would a new user know
[12:14] <popey> i know, i was taking the mick
[12:15] <popey> why would a user need to know F5?
[12:15] <popey> surely the window refreshes automagically?
[12:16] <AlanBell> it does it by magic anyhow
[12:16] <AlanBell> for local disks
[12:16] <davmor2> popey: NOPE  it does if you are working locally but if you delete a file on a file share it is still there you need to refresh it to make it go away
[12:16] <AlanBell> open folder in nautilus, open a terminal, touch a file, magic happens
[12:17] <AlanBell> click in another directory, click back again I guess
[12:17] <popey> how did you delete the file davmor2 ?
[12:17] <davmor2> AlanBell: now do the same thing on a samba share on another machine
[12:18] <popey> surely if you're in nautilus and you click on a file and press delete, it disappears?
[12:18] <davmor2> popey: I had to delete via the terminal the folder wasn't created by the user
[12:19] <popey> the terminal
[12:19] <popey> gosh
[12:19] <popey> retro
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[12:19] <popey> etc
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: I seem to spend half my life in a terminal and I'm not a hacker
[12:20]  * popey might dig out his VT101 over easter
[12:20] <popey> or maybe not
[12:23] <davmor2> popey: I'm assuming if it is a shared document in an office and one user deletes a file that wouldn't show either so would need a manual refresh
[12:56] <andylockran> is this me, or does this internet provider seem to have superflous routing rules: http://dpaste.com/1037621/
[13:09] <czajkowski> anyone in London or can be in London on the 5th April for 1hrs User testing with the nice folks in CAnonical please contact me ASAP.
[13:10] <czajkowski> we need TWO people
[13:13] <SuperMatt> I'm already doing the 2nd /o\
[13:18] <czajkowski> well then you don't count in this call :)
[13:20]  * redtape-renegade looks at the latest with google glass...
[13:21] <redtape-renegade> I'm not sure it's good for what they envisioner ( a traveller), but the oppourtunity for Sports applications i.e. Snow-boarding etc is off the chart !
[13:22]  * redtape-renegade plugs his brainfart.. | leaves.
[13:51] <andylockran> redtape-renegade: I agree; I've love to wear them cycling/snow-boarding - but not for personal interaction.
[13:52] <andylockran> I don't like the idea of being recorded.
[13:52] <andylockran> but I understand the necessity for a camera
[14:01] <andylockran> what's everyone up to over the easter weekend?
[14:01] <BigRedS> sitting in a DC waiting for stuff to break
[14:04] <popey> spending time with family
[14:06] <brobostigon> beer festival at my local,
[14:08] <popey> \o/ beer
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/
[14:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did someone mention beer?
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ^
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[14:16] <brobostigon> :)
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> my brothers are starting their own (tiny) brewery
[14:17] <brobostigon> is there anything like top, but does network interface monitoring insted ?
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: iptraf does that
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> there are some others as well
[14:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, thank you, let me look at that one,
[14:20] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAn0wqfzNxE  "Like"
[14:20] <popey> looks like it was filmed near here
[14:20] <popey> can't quite figure out where
[14:20] <popey> but looks familiar
[14:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that look like it will do the job nicely, :)
[14:21] <brobostigon> very bright, :)
[14:23] <popey> bah, whats the name of the road at 1:57
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's just a grey sign?
[14:24] <popey> chesterwick close
[14:24] <popey> maybe
[14:24] <popey> deffo *** wick close
[14:30]  * popey wonders if ali1234  has the skills ㋛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAn0wqfzNxE can you read the road name at 1m57s?
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: I think it's "*gwick close"
[14:33] <ali1234> cheswick close
[14:34] <popey> dont think so, seems longer
[14:34] <popey> looks like it was filmed around these parts, and I cant find that road name on gmaps
[14:37] <ali1234> it has been intentionally blurred
[14:37] <ali1234> but the blur disappears one frame early
[14:37] <ali1234> it is defnitely "-wick close"
[14:37] <popey> agreed
[14:38] <popey> I'd put it somewhere in crowthorne, sandhurst or bracknell direction
[14:39] <ali1234> why?
[14:39] <popey> it looks familiar
[14:42] <popey> ooh, there's another road off to the side at 1:53
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> time to download an OSM dump :)
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> \o/ fibre
[14:50] <popey> good call
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: OSM dump for all of the UK is 900M compressed.. it might take a while to grep that ;)
[14:50] <popey> url?
[14:50] <ali1234> the other road is also something close
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/british-isles.html
[14:51] <popey> wheee
[14:51] <popey>  8% [==>                                    ] 68,164,721  7.40MB/s  eta 2m 15s
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: 7?!
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> 51% [[14:52] <popey> ya
[14:52] <popey> 60Mb/s i think
[14:52] <popey> or thereabouts
[14:52] <Azelphur> phoned up VAT advice line to talk about whether bitcoins are subject to VAT or not, this should be an interesting one
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: of course they are. They're just another currency..
[14:52]  * bigcalm drums his fingers waiting for VirginMedia to increase his speed
[14:52] <Azelphur> currencies are not subject to VAT
[14:52] <popey> you may be asking the wrong question
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no, transactions are
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: currency doesn't matter
[14:53] <Azelphur> I mean like you go to an exchange shop and exchange your £ to $ to go on holiday, they ain't chargin you 20%
[14:53] <Azelphur> and it'd be financially impossible to do so
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no, but some stores in London accept euros.. and you have to pay VAT whether you pay with € or £
[14:54] <Azelphur> yep, that's for goods or services though
[14:54] <Azelphur> not exchange
[14:55] <ali1234> popey http://ubuntuone.com/35cgLB9wxvnH6GTE4if7Xh
[14:56] <ali1234> c?eswick close
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> Sedgwick ?
[14:56] <ali1234> no
[14:57] <popey> crestwick?
[14:57] <ali1234> maybe but ulikely as it wouldnt fit
[15:01] <ali1234> HA
[15:01] <ali1234> cheswick close is the road she's running out of, look at the road markings
[15:01] <ali1234> but in previous shot it's clearly not a cul de sac
[15:01] <ali1234> continuity errors :P
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> maybe there's a hint on the "SOLD" sign at 1:48?
[15:07] <kaushal> Hi
[15:08] <SuperMatt> hullo
[15:09] <kaushal> I am using google chrome browser Version 26.0.1410.43 on Ubuntu 11.10 Desktop. is there a way to open bookmarks located just below the address bar in a new tab?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> middle click them
[15:09] <ali1234> need to rip the video at 1080 so i can frame step it
[15:10] <popey> thats what i did ali1234
[15:10] <popey> using youtube-dl
[15:10] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: i mean on a touch panel?
[15:10] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: any chrome extension?
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: ctrl+click?
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: right click + open in new tab?
[15:12] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: thanks a lot
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: found it, I think
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://goo.gl/maps/3ss3F
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: based on the estate agent's name :)
[15:26] <bigcalm> Super sluthing
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> background doesn't match though
[15:27] <bigcalm> Now contact the video editor and complain that they didn't obscure enough things to stop this from happening
[15:28] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it's the same place
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> ah yes it is :)
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: what do I win? :)
[15:29]  * popey hasn't reviewed the prize entries yet
[15:29] <popey> on a call
[15:30] <bigcalm> http://youtu.be/OAn0wqfzNxE?t=1m57s matches
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> now for the house she runs out of.. :) which seems to be in a different place
[15:32] <ali1234> yes that is definitely it
[15:33] <popey> yay!
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> the house she runs out of is on Hillside Drive
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> http://goo.gl/maps/vQiZQ == the "SOLD" sign, still FOR SALE
[15:37] <bigcalm> I just finished The Room :(
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://goo.gl/maps/oL0F4 = home @ 1:45
[15:39] <bigcalm> Very pretty
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> the plants could use a trimming though
[15:40] <bigcalm> Anybody concerned by how much information has been gained here?
[15:41] <ali1234> the other road sign it blyth road off hillside drive
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: we don't know her name yet ;)
[15:41] <bigcalm> haha
[15:41] <bigcalm> Ok, that would be creepy
[15:41] <bigcalm> Is she not credited in the video?
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, she's probably credited somewhere
[15:42] <ali1234> http://goo.gl/maps/Q91S8
[15:43] <bigcalm> 2 and a bit hours until 4 day weekend. Woop!
[15:43]  * bigcalm gives these unit tests the evil eye
[15:45] <ali1234> does the live cd have left/right channel test sound files on it?
[15:46] <bigcalm> I really should stop variety from using food themed images. Makes me want to snack too much
[15:46] <ali1234> mr snacktoomuch?
[15:47]  * bigcalm chews gum instead
[15:48] <bigcalm> And drinks a lot of water
[15:50] <penguin42> snacking on dry cereal works, you just can't eat it fast
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beschuitje.jpg
[15:53] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ?
[16:21] <popey> MartijnVdS: doesnt look for sale anymore
[16:21] <popey> not on palmersnell website
[16:22] <mungbean> have a new theory on my broken tablet. if the battery on the tp gets too low, it cant charge :S
[16:23] <bigcalm> That happened a lot with Apple products
[16:23] <mungbean> some people had suvccess diosmantling and charge with a rc lipo vharger
[16:23] <mungbean> warns directhex
[16:24] <mungbean> i found  a cheap original battery and will try to revive. although mrs mungbean is saying i should buy nex10
[16:24] <bigcalm> SO telling you to buy new tech? She's a keeper
[16:25] <mungbean> and i'm refusing :P
[16:25] <mungbean> i think its cos she wants a nexus7
[16:26] <mungbean> so will cost me lots = n10+n7
[16:26] <mungbean> instead of £15 on a battery
[16:27] <mungbean> dont wanna risk doing the jumpostart with lipo charger
[16:29] <popey> 16:23:10 < bigcalm> That happened a lot with Apple products
[16:29] <popey> known issue with nexus 7 and nexus 4
[16:31] <mungbean> oh really?
[16:32] <popey> yup
[16:32] <mungbean> i think the problem was that the cable became fauly
[16:32] <mungbean> then ran too low on charge by display the "replace the charger" message
[16:32] <mungbean> because i had an app installed to stop running too low
[16:32] <davmor2> mungbean: did you get a new charger first just to rule that out
[16:33] <mungbean> yes, althoughi got rippped off on the charger :(
[16:33] <mungbean> bought from amazon as an hp touchpad charger
[16:33] <mungbean> but was a palm charger
[16:33] <mungbean> but the cable was indeed faulty
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: the one on the other side of the road is "For sale" in google maps, and "Sold" in the music video
[16:45] <popey> heh
[16:45] <popey> i looked up the road on nethouseprices
[16:45] <popey> nosy ☺
[16:48]  * TheOpenSourcerer forgot next week was only 4 days :-( 
[16:48] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: did you remember that this week is only 4 days?
[16:48] <bigcalm> I forgot both and so did my boss
[16:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will be rather tight to deliver a new project now.
[16:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Yes. I did remember about tomorrow
[16:49] <bigcalm> Did better than me :)
[16:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can see myself slaving over a hot server during the long weekend somehow.
[16:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Still could be worse... Might have to go shopping with the wife and kids or something.
[16:54] <kvarley> Where are the results of "apt-cache dump" pulled from?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> /var/cache/apt/ I guess :)
[16:54] <kvarley> MartijnVdS:/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ?
[16:56] <kvarley> Can I view the contents of the bin file without apt?
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: it's just a binary cache of what's in archives/
[17:04] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Is it not the file that contains a list of packages on the mirrors?
[17:04] <redtape-renegade> OT | Troo !! ::  https://twitter.com/NettyIOM/status/317253276330508288
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: /var/cache/apt/archives contain those too.. the .bin is just a quicker way for apt to search all that :)
[17:05] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I think /var/cache/apt/archives only contains cached deb packages of what you have recently installed on the system. Not all packages available in the repos
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: ah wait
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there's /var/LIB/apt/lists
[17:07] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Thanks, that was what I was looking for :)
[18:20] <bigcalm> Humm, nobody told me that it had gone 6pm
[18:20]  * bigcalm continues working anyway
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFk6NIqHK0
[18:23] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: and I am instantly 13 all over again
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[18:23]  * bigcalm goes on a 2 unlimited binge
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> sorry ;)
[18:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: No, no no, no no no no........
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: there's no limit!
[18:30] <bigcalm> :)
[18:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: You Got The Power to say no :)
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> and A Magic Friend
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/1g55QqilucQ0qr1x4Sv5fw
[18:36] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you seem to be missing Good Life, pump up the jam, ride on time, the bomb, 4 O'clock in the morning :)
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: "The Bomb!" is in there
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> as is PutJ
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: isn't "Good Life" a very recent song?
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> ah, Inner City had one as well :)
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> and the does sound very very 90s
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you're welcome to subscribe to any of my public playlists :)
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: also.. put the playlist name through Google Translate ;)
[19:05] <ali1234> where is beats international?
[19:06] <redtape-renegade> Meanwhile in Farbridge       | http://mayorsblog.guelph.ca/2013/03/22/earth-hour-830-p-m-and-930-p-m-on-saturday-march-23/#comments
[19:06] <redtape-renegade> OT ^ |
[19:07] <ali1234> that guy is right but he's also a complete nob
[19:08] <ali1234> i mean how does he know that people aren't doing those things as well?
[19:08] <ali1234> he doesn't, and is just using it as an excuse to do nothing at all
[19:17] <directhex> he's right. but bacon is delicious
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fio1NUxszhY
[20:24] <mungbean> geary at 10% of goal, will they make it i wonder?
[20:45] <mungbean> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/mar/28/amazon-fees-hike-third-party hmm
[22:03] <brobostigon> adnams at my local, nice beer, :)
[22:07] <mungbean> is everyone out drinking tonight? v quiet
[22:10] <ali1234> everyone is watching mtgox implode spectacularly
[22:11] <mungbean> mtgox?
[22:11] <daftykins> :D
[22:11] <mungbean> i was finally watching dune after plannig all week
[22:11] <daftykins> i'm playing with my brand new TV
[22:12] <daftykins> Samsung 55" 6800 series, £900 delivered
[22:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: and I have 0.002 BTC
[22:12] <daftykins> mmmm lovely
[22:12]  * Azelphur sits back, puts feet up, laughs at everyone who isn't me
[22:12] <mungbean> oh that fake money scheme
[22:12]  * Azelphur is the bitcoin master
[22:13] <daftykins> ;)
[22:13] <Azelphur> got a big buy planned for tomorrow, this should hit the pit before then, perfect time for me to jump back in :P
[22:13]  * Azelphur has it all schemed out
[22:13] <AlanBell> sell high, buy low
[22:14] <Azelphur> yup
[22:14] <AlanBell> lots of interest in bitcoin in the mainstream media at the moment
[22:14] <mungbean> reminds me of the dot.com gubbins which was also built on fluff
[22:14] <ali1234> buy high sell low
[22:15] <ali1234> oh wait sorry i thought this was btc-e trollbox :P
[22:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:16] <Azelphur> mungbean: that reminds me of this web design shop that was near where I used to live
[22:16] <Azelphur> they were called www.dot.com, the name amused me.
[22:16] <Azelphur> good marketing too, considering I remember it a decade later xD
[22:16] <mungbean> lucky to get the name
[22:17] <Azelphur> indeed, was back in the early 2000's.
[22:17] <mungbean> i remember sun had a slogan "we're the dot in .com"
[22:17] <Azelphur> lol
[22:17] <mungbean> wanted to slap them for that
[22:17] <mungbean> but i was busy adminning their servers
[22:17] <Azelphur> haha
[22:18] <mungbean> i remember when work was fun
[22:18] <mungbean> 3 colleagues left my place this week
[22:19] <mungbean> 2 other good ones a few weeks previous
[22:19] <mungbean> more to come
[22:19] <Azelphur> \o/
[22:20] <mungbean> keep forgetting i haven't ;eft but just on paternirty leave
[22:21] <daftykins> why are they all leaving?
[22:21] <mungbean> restructuring performed terribly
[22:22] <mungbean> and salary not in keeping with directly comparable competitors
[22:22] <mungbean> hence, why bother?
[22:22] <mungbean> if u have to interview for a new role, just do it somewhere else
[22:26] <mungbean> seen some nice redhat roles, shame they are in farnbo*
[22:27] <daftykins> what are you in?
[22:27] <mungbean> what kind of work?
[22:27] <daftykins> yep
[22:28] <mungbean> linux/unix admin 15+ yrs, vmware vsphere , everything in between
[22:28] <mungbean> used to have a great role looking after linux desktop + servers - best job ever!
[22:29] <daftykins> oooh
[22:29] <daftykins> would you per chance have lengthy experience with rsync? small question honest :)
[22:29] <mungbean> used it in a variety of ways
[22:30] <mungbean> go ahead
[22:30] <daftykins> in the past i did backups from a fast RAID6 array to USB attached storage
[22:30] <daftykins> but it'd take absolutely AGES when just a few extra folders of say a few gig would be added
[22:31] <daftykins> my usage was 'rsync -r /path/ /dest/'
[22:31] <daftykins> with verbosity i saw it iterated over every single image in this situation's photo collection
[22:31] <daftykins> i don't understand why it's unable to be a lot more efficient than that
[22:31] <daftykins> it was honestly taking overnight across a ~450GB folder
[22:31] <daftykins> (of which the changes were minimal)
[22:31] <daftykins> sound like something i'm doing wrong?
[22:31] <mungbean> loads of small files?
[22:32] <mungbean> was it a filesystem issue?
[22:32] <daftykins> jpegs and RAW files
[22:32] <daftykins> source FS is XFS
[22:32] <daftykins> to EXT4 on the external HDDs
[22:32] <mungbean> i'd try -av and -avz and check if there's difference
[22:32] <daftykins> could one of those factor in?
[22:32] <mungbean> only been an issue on a massive backup i do with >millions of files
[22:33] <mungbean> takes days to delete files from the disks too, so not rsync issue
[22:34] <daftykins> hmm
[22:34] <daftykins> what does z change? looks like compression based on man page reading
[22:34] <mungbean> yes
[22:35] <mungbean> shouldn't be an issue locally, but worth trying as reduces the bandwidth over the usb
[22:35] <daftykins> surely that wouldn't apply well to jpeg and RAW images?
[22:35] <mungbean> no, i typed that before i noticed you said the data type
[22:35] <daftykins> ah
[22:35] <daftykins> ah well, gonna be backing up to NAS soon instead so maybe things'll change :D
[22:36] <mungbean> worth checking vmstat and iotop etc while performing it
[22:36] <mungbean> to see if it's cpu or io bound
[22:37] <daftykins> ooh i love learning of all these top variants :)
[22:37] <daftykins> thanks for the input, i'll give it a go soon!
[22:38] <shauno> -z won't do much over usb, it's decompressed before the OS writes it
[22:39] <mungbean> did a straight cp -r perform as badly?
[22:39] <daftykins> hmm that might be hard to test given i'd have to use a sample set of data
[22:40] <daftykins> since most of the time seems to be it skipping over the already-present files
[22:40] <mungbean> using -n does a dry run too
[22:40] <daftykins> with verbosity it'd slowly chug through every image file
[22:40] <daftykins> i'd expect a very fast stream of files
[22:41] <daftykins> but nope, it'd slowly trudge down
[22:41] <daftykins> back shortly
[22:44] <shauno> I think I'd expect rsync to be slower locally because it does comparisons?  unless the results of those comparisons saves you writes.  otherwise it's spending a lot more time reading/deciding where cp just cares "can I write this, can I overwrite this"
[22:45] <shauno> so rsync would be slower the first time, but much quicker on subsequent runs
[22:49] <daftykins> it's something i'd done several times
[22:50] <daftykins> still sucked every time
[22:50] <mungbean> there's a bug in oplder rsync too that i came up against
[22:50] <mungbean> on rhel5
[22:50] <daftykins> oh?
[22:50] <mungbean> made things super slow, but i think that was loads of files again
[22:51] <daftykins> ah
[22:51] <daftykins> this guy does take a lot of pics :)
[22:51] <mungbean> prob a red herring
[22:53] <daftykins> it's a toughie!
[22:54] <daftykins> FWIW it's 10.04 LTS server on the system i'm performing this on
[22:54] <Azelphur> AlanBell: where'd you get your pizza from?
[23:04] <AlanBell> heh, not my pizza
[23:04] <AlanBell> rory cellan jones
[23:05] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21427505
[23:07] <Azelphur> is that UK or US? :P
[23:07] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/316868099074830336
[23:08] <Azelphur> lol
[23:09] <AlanBell> I should think there will be a BBC article about it soon
[23:09] <AlanBell> especially if he managed to order it using a raspberry pi
[23:13] <Azelphur> haha aww, they do UK but the nearest store is like 50 miles away
[23:13] <Azelphur> :<
[23:13] <mungbean> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uvYxXBMqEOM
[23:14] <mungbean> lolz remy gaillard
[23:14] <daftykins> http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2013/3/27/f4942741-eb7b-40ad-b33f-29a993d2cc54.jpg
[23:22] <daftykins> http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/old90/18951.html
[23:36] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/7SjOO2H.jpg
[23:36] <daftykins> here's my lovely new TV and current setup in my new places' lounge
[23:39] <ali1234> what's that website that you go to and it makes a log all about your computer?
[23:40] <ali1234> like what browser, what OS, what plugins, etc etc
[23:40] <ali1234> and then you can send a link
[23:41] <ali1234> http://supportdetails.com/
[23:48] <brobostigon> adnams rocks, :)