/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/28/#ubuntu-za.txt

Wraz123 floor03:54
Symmetriaheh04:49
Symmetriaso, the egyptian military busted 3 guys attempting to cut more cables 04:49
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Kiloscremora minora05:53
jrgnsit's not inside, it's on top?05:56
jrgnsmorning all05:56
Symmetriaheh kilos05:56
Symmetriathe egyptian navy05:56
Symmetriaarrested 3 guys attempting to cut more cables05:57
Kilosgreat news that Symmetria  05:57
Symmetriaand add to the fact that the largest ddos attempt in history is currently going on in a war between spamhaus and someone else thats screwing crap up 05:57
Symmetriathe internet is basically a mess right now05:57
Kilosyou got more info on where they are from05:57
Symmetriaapparently egyptians 05:57
Symmetriadetails are a little sketchy05:57
Symmetriamy question is, how the hell were they attempting to cut it in scuba gear, because they musta had a death wish unless they were using underwater welding gear 05:58
Kilosthats basically worldwide sabotage05:58
Symmetriayou cant saw through a cable like that, you'd electrocute yourself 05:58
Symmetriathose cables are carrying a *LOT* of power 05:58
Kilosunderwater cutting torches?05:58
Symmetriakilos thats what Im thinking05:58
Kiloswould be nice to know the reason they do it05:59
Kilosto stop the evil internet from them or everywhere else06:00
Kilosdont the cables just bypass them?06:00
Symmetria*hrm* I dont know06:25
Kiloshi henkj  jrgns  superfly  07:11
superflyhi Kilos07:11
jrgnsmorning Kilos. A bit distracted, are we? :P07:12
Kilosya07:12
henkjhi Kilos 07:13
Kiloshi Vince-0  07:19
Vince-0Hi!07:21
superflyKilos: what was that telkom mobile URL?07:27
superflyMaaz: 8ta07:27
Maazsuperfly: 8ta is http://telkommobile.mobi/about-us/07:27
superflythere we go07:27
Symmetriahrm07:29
Symmetriafor anyone who has to buy IP transit services, ever07:29
SymmetriaI strongly suggest not buying anything from seacom07:29
Kiloslotsa info there superfly  07:29
Symmetriafor reasons I cant go into on here, but take it from me, no one wants to do that07:30
Kilosi looked at the wireless stuff and could be good if you can get it07:30
Kilostoo much work and cost to setup external aerial and radio transmitter here07:30
Vince-0Symmetria, for reasons like recurring cable breaks07:32
Vince-0Kilos, its not too bad once you have the bracket in the wall07:32
Symmetriavince no, cable breaks are the least of it07:32
Kilosmainly here would be the cost Vince-0  07:33
Kilosi chatted to the ptawug guys quite a while back. even have my co-ords 07:35
Kilosthey are actually a nice bunch07:35
Vince-0Kilos, so it's still cheaper to connect via 8ta 3G over a long period of time?07:36
Kiloswell its 1g a month which i can manage07:36
Kiloswith the odd extra07:36
Kiloswireless would be cheaper in the long run07:37
Kilosthere are quite a few ubuntu users in ptawug that offered to get repos and share over wireless07:38
Vince-0yes! although I don't think you can get Internet break out on a WUG - it's against the rules07:39
Vince-0PTAWUG is like one of the biggest WUGS in the world07:39
ThatGraemeGuyi think some of the ctwug guys run apt mirrors, i'm sure ptawug do the same07:40
ThatGraemeGuyoh, and good morning :)07:41
Kilosyip largest in the southern hemisphere07:42
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy  07:42
Kilosthey dont supply internet Vince-0  but once you have their equipment in im sure you can then connect wwith one of the telkom hotspots07:43
superflymorning ThatGraemeGuy07:44
Vince-0ah, then you're radio needs to be able to do more than 1 concurrent connection07:45
Squirm"It's 'before', not 'b4'. You speak English, not Bingo."07:46
Squirm:D07:46
Kilosyip they show how to do that in the getting started section07:46
Kilosbut using xp\sigh07:46
Kilosall about ip addies07:46
Kiloslol @ Squirm  07:47
Kilosand you gotta download the os for the router which i think is ms because its winsomething07:48
Vince-0oh? I thought Mikrotik uses an open OS07:49
ThatGraemeGuyits linux-based, but i'm not sure if it's "open"07:50
ThatGraemeGuyyou need different levels of licensing depending on what functionality you want07:50
ThatGraemeGuyalthough the WUG kits come with all the right stuff07:51
ThatGraemeGuyand Kilos i think you might be referring to the management tool, winbox.exe07:51
ThatGraemeGuyalthough the web interface is pretty capable nowadays07:51
ThatGraemeGuyat least on the ones i've worked with, haven't worked with the RBs they use on the WUGs07:52
Kilosya i skrik with anything that says win07:52
superflyactually, we just bought an RB for work, and I'm trying to set it up07:52
ThatGraemeGuyif you get stuck, Lance can help you out when he gets here07:54
ThatGraemeGuyhe's heavily involved in ctwug, done all our RB configs07:54
ThatGraemeGuyhe even got Mikrotik certified last year sometime07:54
Kilosi think the whole setup thing is in here superfly  07:55
Kiloshttp://ptawug.co.za/site/gettingstarted/07:55
superflyKilos: probably not what I'm looking for, but worth a gander anyways ;-)07:55
Squirm.:Vince-0:. oh? I thought Mikrotik uses an open OS <<---  Definitely not open07:55
Kilosi read myself sick yesterday07:55
SquirmThatGraemeGuy: winbox should control all RouterOS's07:56
Squirmif you want easy to setup though. you may be able to connect using some Ubiquiti equipment07:57
Squirmbut you'd have to confirm that with them07:57
Squirmit does point to point and point to multipoint really easily07:57
ThatGraemeGuySquirm, yup, what i meant was i'm not sure how the web interface compares on the RB433 which the WUG guys mostly use07:58
SquirmThatGraemeGuy: I think the OS is all the same across devices07:59
ThatGraemeGuyah ok07:59
SquirmI think we use RB41107:59
Squirm(not for wug, but at work)07:59
ThatGraemeGuywe have RB750, RB1100, RB1200. but i'm not the networks guy so that's pretty much the limit of what i know :D08:00
Vince-0Squirm, gotcha08:42
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Kiloshi Trix[a]r_za  08:45
Squirmwell10:11
Squirmcheers guys10:11
Squirmsee you all Monday sometime10:11
* Squirm wanders off to Splashyfen10:11
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Kilosmaaz where are you10:26
Kiloscooweee10:27
Kilosinetpro: you broke him??10:27
Kilosoh my crashkid gone too10:29
Kiloswbb need to steal graphics card for a while10:36
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theblazehenhi Kilos 11:53
Kiloshi theblazehen  11:54
Kiloswow we are min here today12:02
theblazehenyea12:02
Kilosyou missed the news here. the egyptians caught guys trying to cut more undersea cables12:03
theblazehenI know12:03
theblazehensaw on hackernews12:03
Kilosah12:03
Kilosdid they give any particulars12:04
theblazehendidn't really read much12:04
Kilosok12:04
theblazehenhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/27/net-us-egypt-internet-idUSBRE92Q1AQ2013032712:04
Kilosty12:04
theblazehennp12:05
Symmetriaheh12:19
Symmetriathere is more to do it than that12:19
Symmetriathis whole thing is a complete mess12:19
superflycable cuts + largest DDoS ever = quite a mess on the internet right now12:22
Symmetrialargest ddos ever is proving to be a bit of an internet myth12:23
Symmetriarather than factual reality12:23
superflySymmetria: in what way?12:23
Symmetriamore like cloudflare and spamhaus overhyping and generating publicity for themselves12:23
Symmetriasuperfly meaning that a lot of the tier-1s are saying its b.s 12:23
superflyah, OK12:23
Symmetriathat they aint seeing anywhere near the traffic they would be seeing if it was reality12:23
inetproKilos: I broke no nothing13:02
Kiloshehe sorry inetpro  no coffee today13:02
psyatwhi Kilos 13:03
psyatwhi inetpro 13:03
psyatwhi Symmetria 13:03
Kiloshi psyatw  13:03
psyatwI had an interview yesterday, which went well and tomorrow I'll have another one13:04
psyatwand if I pass that one too, I'll probably be moving to Poland soon13:04
inetprogood morning everyone :-)13:04
psyatwgood afternoon :)13:07
inetprooh shucks you're right, where did the time go?13:09
psyatwwe lost it somehwere on our way13:10
Kilosthats good psyatw  with internet we hope14:17
psyatwthanks Kilos 14:23
psyatwyes, with internet once I move into my home there14:23
Kilosyay. no internet sucks hey14:23
psyatwit does14:24
psyatwbut in a way it doesn't14:24
psyatwit gave me a bit of a taste of my pre-internet lifestyle14:24
psyatwso I've been reading a lot lately and not just about computer stuff14:24
Kiloslol and tv14:31
psyatwI don't watch much tv in the first place :D14:32
psyatwhi QA 14:32
psyatwhi Mezenir 14:32
KilosQA: coffee on14:33
* QA starts grinding coffee14:33
psyatwhi tonberry352_ 14:33
psyatwoh14:33
psyatwit's one of those :D14:33
Kiloshehe14:33
Kilosyip my one14:33
psyatwcool14:33
Kiloslater version than maaz14:33
Kilosand the weeds pet project14:34
psyatwah, I see14:34
psyatwso this is the new maaz14:34
psyatwif she doesn't prove to be a defective clone14:34
Kilosmaaz seems to be one of those cut off with the undersea cable probs14:34
Kilosno she is better14:35
Kilosbut not as learned yet14:35
Kiloseducation takes time14:35
KilosQA: wb14:35
QAYa ya man I'm not the one disconnecting or crashing the pc14:35
psyatwaha14:36
psyatwQA: whatcha doin'?14:36
QApsyatw: *blink*14:36
psyatw:D14:36
psyatwQA: don't keep blinking all the time or we'll all get dizzy!14:36
QApsyatw: *blink*14:36
QACoffee's ready for Kilos!14:37
KilosQA: ty14:37
QAYou're welcome Kilos14:37
Symmetriawheeeeeeeeeeee14:54
Symmetriaeast africa now accessible via jinx14:54
magespawnafternoon all15:05
psyatwhello magespawn 15:07
psyatwafternoon15:07
magespawnhow things? i see you might be going to poland soon15:08
magespawnKilos: ping15:11
Symmetriaheh15:15
Symmetriawho wants to see something awesome15:15
Symmetria--- graphs.kdn.co.ke ping statistics ---15:15
Symmetria3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss15:15
Symmetriaround-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 63.114/63.181/63.220/0.047 ms15:15
Symmetrialook at the latency to kenya ;p15:15
Symmetriaftw15:15
Kiloshi magespawn  15:17
Kilospong sorry15:17
psyatwmagespawn, yeah, I'm doing fine, thanks. and if everything goes well, I may be leaving very soon indeed. how are you?15:18
magespawngood just a bit tired been on the road today15:24
magespawnHye Kilos where is Maaz? I see QA has taken over duty15:25
Kilossomething happened to maaz and the crashkid magespawn  15:25
magespawnmaybe something to do with sea cables15:25
Kilosmaybe we cut off from that part of the states15:26
Cantidekzn release party?15:38
* Cantide is keen!15:38
magespawnsounds like an idea, but where?15:39
Cantideidk15:39
Cantidesomeone on the mailing list suggested it15:39
magespawnokay will have a look15:40
Cantideah15:40
Cantidethe release  is on the 25th of May15:40
Cantidei mean 25th of April15:41
Cantide=_=15:41
magespawnso we have some time to organise things then15:41
Cantideyeah :)15:45
Kilosyou a long way from ballito or umhlanga magespawn  15:45
Kiloswill have to travel15:46
magespawnindeed Kilos, but i might be able to make it15:46
Cantidei am quite far from Ballito15:46
Kilosthat will be good15:46
CantideUmhlanga, too, but it's not too bad15:46
Cantidei think Umhlanga would be more centralised for us15:46
Kilosi forget which one is more north15:47
magespawnBallito15:47
magespawnbrb15:48
magespawnback16:02
magespawnwould be nice to attend a release party16:03
magespawnsee you all later, home time16:04
Kiloshi aquarat  16:13
aquaratlol16:13
aquarathi Kilos16:13
aquarathowzit going ?16:13
Kilosok ty and you?16:13
aquarati am oraait16:13
aquarat:P16:13
Kilosgood16:15
Kiloswb cocooncrash  16:20
Kilosthe jippos got you16:28
Kiloshehe aquarat_  you the yoyo tonight16:30
Kiloshi zeref  16:48
magespawnhey Kilos16:48
Kiloshey magespawn  16:48
* magespawn is home alone watching the matrix and eating steers16:49
Kiloswhere is the family?16:49
magespawnvisiting her parents16:50
Kilosthe matrix was really good16:50
Kilosah16:50
magespawnindeed16:50
Kilosthe net sick, but not for everyone16:50
magespawntime to ignore joins/parts i see17:00
Kilosbut weird that its only some17:12
Kilosmobile maybe with timeout if you quiet17:12
Kilosaquarat_: ping17:13
Kiloswhat you using17:13
Kiloshe be away looks like17:15
aquarat__wow17:15
aquarat__somewhat unstable17:15
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Kiloswhat are you using aquarat  17:15
aquaratECMP with two dsl line and 8ta 3g via a wifi router17:15
Kilosecmp?17:16
aquaratI think this particular link is going through the 8ta link17:16
aquaratequal cost multi path17:16
aquaratit's a way of distributing data over various links without bonding them17:16
Kilostry setting it so you dont go away17:16
aquaratit's an experiment17:16
aquaratlol17:16
Kilosyou miss what i mean17:16
Kilosum17:16
aquaratoh17:17
aquaratI see it's now on axxess17:17
aquaratso via dsl17:17
Kiloslike in pidgin you can set away as available all the time17:17
aquarathopefully it'll be stabler17:17
aquaratoh right17:17
aquaratI've been marked as away17:17
Kilosim just guessing17:17
aquaratohhhh17:18
Kilostry setting the away time to hours if you cant make it available all the time17:18
aquaratwhat client I'm using17:18
aquaratxchat17:18
Kilosya that too17:18
Kilosi think in xchat you can also lengthen the time17:18
Kilosim on konversation now17:19
Kilosno more unity17:19
aquaratlol kde17:19
aquaratergh17:19
aquaratunity17:19
aquarat:P17:19
Kilosi actually like kubuntu17:19
aquaratit looks like a copy of mac osx17:19
Kilosnever seen mac17:19
aquaratwell17:19
aquaratit's very similar17:19
aquaratokay not that similar17:20
aquaratthere are common attributes17:20
Kilosi tried xubuntu ans lubuntu but kde is better17:20
aquaratI always found kde to look great17:20
aquaratbut to be very bloated17:20
aquaratmaybe it's changed ?17:20
Kilosgot lots more that you can do if you get help to work it out17:20
Kiloshehe17:21
Kilosit is a bit slower than unity but installs apps faster17:21
Kilosmore efficient once going17:21
aquaratI just use apt-get for app installs17:21
Kilosi have over 5g of the packages so its 1 click on them and it opens the installer17:22
aquaratmmm17:22
Kilosbut even muon is faster than synaptic17:22
aquaratk17:22
aquaratso17:22
aquaratyou have all the packages already downloaded ?17:23
aquaratand when you want one you manually navigate to it and execute it ?17:23
Kilosyeah i dont delete anything17:23
aquaratlol17:23
aquaratso you don't use repos ?17:23
Kilosi rsync them to archives17:23
aquaratah ok17:23
aquaratthank goodness17:23
aquarat:P17:23
Kiloslol17:23
aquaratI rsynced all the raspberry pi raspbian repos17:24
Kilossudo clean install and update upgrade is under 30mB17:24
aquaratbut I download everything else on demand17:24
Kilosive installed so many times i woulda needed mega data 17:25
Kilosrsync to storage from the beginning17:25
Kilosi even have mate packages17:26
aquarathehe17:26
aquaratcos of unity probably...17:26
Kiloslol im a miser17:26
Kilosyeah and also on lubuntu. works better there17:26
Kilossee while you chatting you dont part/join17:27
Kiloson some clients you can set away to never17:28
aquaratI part and rejoin regularly ?17:29
aquaratI think you mean timeout and reconnect?17:29
aquaratit's not dying now because it's randomly selected a dsl link rather than a 3g link17:29
aquarat... it was my hope that 3g would be fast for browsing17:29
Kilosah17:30
Kiloswhen you part join it shows here but when you chat no more part join17:30
Kilossome kinda timeout thing17:31
aquaratk17:31
aquaratthat's weird17:31
aquaratauto-away isn't set17:31
aquaratI never have it set17:31
Kilosi will need to get xchat to see what i did17:31
aquaratwell17:32
Kilosalso dont set idle after "time" either17:32
aquaratlooking at my server logs17:32
aquaratit clearly states that I disconnected and then reconnected a couple of times17:33
aquaratand that's why my nick changed17:33
Kiloscouple??17:33
Kilos8 times looks like17:34
Kilossomeone a coupla weeks ago filled pages of part/joins17:34
aquaratwell17:34
aquaratoops :/17:34
Kilosnp its just interesting to me to find the cause17:35
aquaratcool17:35
aquaratproblem solver :)17:35
aquaratit's due to the funky 8ta 3g link :P17:36
Kiloswe try17:36
Kilosaw i got a good one17:36
aquaratand it's not doing it now because when the client reconnected it was handed a different route17:36
Kilosah17:36
aquarat:)17:36
aquaratthe alternative is bonding17:36
aquaratwhich17:36
aquarathas turned out to be... okay17:37
aquaratpros and cons17:37
magespawnwell at least itnis sorted17:38
magespawnaquarat: have tried quassel17:39
aquaratnope17:39
aquaratI only know xchat and mirc :P)17:39
aquaratI gotta go though17:39
aquaratI'll disconnect to keep the peace ;)17:40
aquaratchat soon17:40
magespawncool np17:40
Kilosai17:40
magespawnai?17:41
Kiloshe just left. im trying to pinpoint a cause17:42
magespawnhe said it was his 8ta 3g17:42
Kiloshow do you see that17:42
magespawnthat is what he said17:43
* Cantide is on 8ta 3G17:44
Kilosya but how do you see it17:44
magespawni don't17:44
Kilosmy nm says disconnected17:44
Kilosi mean him17:44
magespawndepends on his setup17:44
Kiloshow does he see it17:45
magespawnloks like he was distributing his system over multiple connections, his system will tell him which connection each program is using17:47
magespawns/loks/looks17:47
Kilosyou peeps too clever17:47
psyatwyou are clever too17:47
Kilosslim vang sy baas17:47
psyatwbut you have a way not to show it to people, that's the cleverest thing someone can do17:48
Kilosnope psyatw  i come here for clever things17:48
Kilosai17:48
magespawnindeed it is a very rare talent that one17:49
Kilosim so angry magespawn  17:49
magespawnwhy Kilos?17:49
Kilosbuilt up the courage to flash ians bios and the flooppies wont boot17:49
Kilosand his pc has not power plug for floppy17:50
magespawnany indication why?17:50
Kilosso gotta use an external psu17:50
magespawnmore work17:50
Kilosnope screen just goes blank with a flashing -17:50
Kilosnow ive made another floppy on my other pc and checked first that it boots from there17:51
magespawnprogress is made17:53
Kiloslol17:54
magespawnwhy do you need to flash the bios again?18:04
Kilosbecause it has a bug in it. can boot from cd half install any os then cdrom disappears18:07
Kiloslotsa error messages on bios boot as well18:07
Kilosand often forgets bios settings and does its own thing18:07
Kiloseither a bug or the bios chip is sick18:08
Kilosmethinks18:08
magespawnbios flash sounds like a good option then18:09
Kilosthats the only way out if it has a bug in. googled much and the symptoms say there is a virus in bios18:10
Kilosbut you make a mistake and scrap m/b18:10
psyatwbye Kilos magespawn Cantide and the rest of the gang18:10
Kilosthats why i needed to build up courage first18:10
Cantidebye psyatw 'o'18:10
Kiloscheers psyatw  18:11
psyatwI will be back here tomorrow and soon more permanently hopefully18:11
Kilossleep tight18:11
psyatwthanks18:11
Kilosinetpro: why so quiet?18:11
Kiloshmm... acting busy again18:14
magespawnor maybe really busy18:23
Kiloshmm...18:24
magespawndoes happen from time to time18:24
Kilosmaybe he went away for the weekend18:25
Kilosits easter hey?18:25
Kiloswent to family to get easter eggs18:25
magespawnmaybe18:28
KilosQA: coffee on18:37
* QA puts the kettle on18:37
magespawni am off for now, battery needs to be charged18:37
Kilosnight magespawn  18:37
Kilossleep tight18:37
magespawngood night18:37
Kilosinetpro: coffee time18:37
QACoffee's ready for Kilos!18:41
KilosQA: thanks love18:41
QAno probs, Kilos18:41
Kilosnight all19:16
KilosQA: die19:16
QAKilos: Just do it yourself19:16
Kilosai19:16
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:17
zerefhmmmm20:40

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