[00:01] <drfish> hi all.
[00:01] <drfish> anyone know why I would get "An error occurred while restoring previously-installed applications.  The installation will continue, but you may have to manually reinstall some applications after the computer reboots." on a freshinstall of u-studio12.04?
[00:01] <drfish> I do have another partition with another os, but dont see how that should cause u-studio install any issue..
[00:02] <prompt32> error after ... what ?
[00:03] <prompt32> during install ?
[00:04] <drfish> yes.. at end of install
[00:04] <drfish> before restart
[00:06] <drfish> was just reading a bug report for Quantal that looks like same issue so perhaps it is a known issue. will restart and see what happens, I suppose :)
[00:06] <prompt32> actually the install process unmount everything except your installation partition
[00:06] <prompt32> so dont think of this. what else ?
[00:09] <drfish> possibly it failed to dl something? the bugreport mentions flash dl failing.. I did have 3rd party and download udates selected
[00:10] <drfish> let me restart and see if anything obvious is missing
[00:10] <drfish> brb..
[00:10] <prompt32> that's not ok. make a offline installation, and u can add what u want after
[01:09] <laekrits> anyone awake?
[01:10] <drfish> sure!
[01:11] <laekrits> heya (o:
[01:11] <laekrits> was just contemplating a HP Compaq 2710p / Ubuntu Studio combo..
[01:12] <laekrits> wondering what cool combinations people were coming up with for older hardware..
[01:12] <drfish> hehe.. I am not the right one for that.. since I just put together a shiny new machine primarily for u-studio :)
[01:12] <laekrits> rocks
[01:13] <laekrits> is your primary work machine?
[01:13] <laekrits> i do print stuff mostly but audio / video too..
[01:13] <drfish> prompt32: for some reason that first install didnt set up grub right.. so started over.. no warning this time.
[01:14] <drfish> laekrits:I am a wannabe producer/edm artist and software engineer, so my machine plays dual role, software dev and music dev.
[01:14] <laekrits> cool cool.. low enough latency for filtered pass through?
[01:15] <laekrits> like a guitar cab simulator or something back into your headphones
[01:15] <drfish> been using u-studio+kxstudio for some time on two machines, core-i7 lappy and Phenom X4 desktop for some time, never noticed latency at all :)
[01:15] <laekrits> lots to google there (o:
[01:15] <drfish> played a little running guitar through rakarack and guitarix.. both pretty latency free..
[01:16] <laekrits> i only got jacks a few weeks ago.. long ways to go, hehe.. i like the u-studio / bundled approach
[01:16] <laekrits> hopefully save a lot of installation headaches
[01:17] <drfish> new machine was basically becuase I got bored and hadnt built a 'puter in about 5 years, so got an AMD FX-8320 and built a machine around it.. just now (still in installer) put u-studio on it.
[01:17] <drfish> gonna see if I can get Ardour3 + a bazillion effects cranking all 8 cores :)
[01:18] <laekrits> if you can, why not? i'm trying to work my way toward being able to endure any catastrophe :oP am adobe-dependent
[01:19] <drfish> I am actually contemplating a gentoo+kxstudio build, I really want to try to optimize for that fx proc.. but u-studio+kxstudio just works (tm) so getting that up first as my primary distro, while I try to build out a gentoo.
[01:19] <laekrits> you're trying stuff all the time?
[01:20] <len-1304> Paying attention to your HW is the key, at least with older systems, but new oses can be effected too.
[01:20] <drfish> I played with mint for a couple of days - have some reservations about ubuntu and its direction - but as nice and slick as mint is, i think getting it "right" for audio will take a bit of tweaking, and if I am going to go that far, I am going to do a gentoo and tune it to the n-th
[01:21] <laekrits> hw = hardware?
[01:21] <len-1304> Yes.
[01:21] <len-1304> shared irqs can effect even fast machines
[01:21] <drfish> lakrits: I have actually been pretty stable on ubuntu for the past 5ish years - used many diffferent before that.. got tired of trying to keep my distro working rather than working on my own stuff.. thus the ubuntu switch.
[01:22] <len-1304> hyperthreading and be hard on latency
[01:22] <drfish> but now ubuntu's direction dosnt jive with me.. so looking around.
[01:22] <drfish> and like I said, I want to see what this fx proc can do with properly optimized (not intellized) builds.
[01:23] <drfish> len-1304: good points. you got any good pointers on hand for the irq issues? I understand them, but dont know much about dealing with them.
[01:23] <len-1304> I use cat /proc/interrupts just like anyone else.
[01:24] <len-1304> I find the audio cards(s) and make sure they have their own irq.
[01:24] <drfish> lol. i meant docs on what the issues can be and what to look for to fix :)
[01:24] <drfish> ic
[01:24] <len-1304> This may mean moving internal cards to a new slot
[01:24] <len-1304> or plugging a USB IF into a different port.
[01:25] <len-1304> I would turn hyperthreading off in bios
[01:25] <drfish> well, my audio is external firewire, and only cards in my box are 2 vid (one will come out momentarily, cant geth them to play nice) on pcie, and one pci wirelss card.
[01:25] <len-1304> with multi processors it doesn't help much anyway.
[01:25] <drfish> no hyperthreading here.. true 8 cores :)
[01:26] <drfish> though I may try axing the ht on my lappy.. hadnt thought of that.
[01:26] <len-1304> Then you need to make sure your FW port has it's own irq, same thing.
[01:26] <drfish> right got it.. thanks for that pointer!
[01:27] <drfish> brb - assuming this install went right :)
[01:27] <len-1304> It depends on the machine,I have to turn the wireless off in my netbook to get good audio
[01:30] <drfish_> ok.. who has a pointer to good grub docs? u-studio didnt set up grub to launch it, so stuck in my mint install!
[01:31] <len-1304> Do you have more than one disk drive?
[01:32] <len-1304> I have not had ubuntu fail to install grub, but where it has installed it has not always been where I want it
[01:34] <drfish_> one drive
[01:34] <len-1304> Which install option did you use?
[01:34] <drfish_> had mint installed in first(primary) partition. installed u-studio in second (primary). have one more primary and an extended part as well.
[01:35] <len-1304> ok
[01:35] <drfish_> straigt from grub to install
[01:35] <len-1304>  so used the "something else" option?
[01:35] <len-1304> (for partitioning?)
[01:35] <drfish_> oh, right yes..
[01:36] <drfish_> which has never failed on me before.. I almost always do "sometihg else" for partitioning..
[01:36] <len-1304> Yup same here.
[01:36] <len-1304> there is a bar on the bottom for selecting where you want grub.
[01:38] <len-1304> With one drive it can be set to /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 etc.
[01:38] <drfish_> yeah.. and I set it for /sda
[01:39] <len-1304> I have been saying "I don't know" too often today :P
[01:39] <drfish_> lol
[01:39] <len-1304> I wonder if Mint locks it somehow.
[01:39] <drfish_> used to be I either knew, or knew where to look.. but ubuntu has spoilt me a bit, with its "just works" approach
[01:40] <drfish_> eh.. i'll wipe the whole gd machine if I have to.. 4 days without a fully working machine is making me grumpy
[01:40] <len-1304> I used to run slackware from version .8* to 11.*
[01:41] <drfish_> gentoo for a few years myself.
[01:41] <len-1304> Can you get a mint boot to rebuid grub?
[01:41] <drfish_> mint is booted
[01:41] <drfish_> that was what i was looking for, remembering how to config/build grub
[01:41] <len-1304> so if mint rebuilds grub it should grab other OS as well... I hope :)
[01:42] <len-1304> Did you have any other partitions mounted while you were installing?
[01:43] <drfish_> shouldnt have
[01:43] <drfish_> ok, did update-grub, i see some /sda2 entries in grub.cfg
[01:46] <drfish_> i see what it did.. wrote grub config to /sda2/boot instead of /sda1/boot
[01:48] <drfish_> brb.. see if this worked .. btw thanks for the input
[02:02] <yahbah> howdy
[05:54] <prompt32> re
[07:02] <jeff_> i need some help with my mic inputs
[07:04] <Guest13339> can anyone spare a sec to help me out
[07:14] <minist3r> Can anyone help with a Mic not showing up issue I'm having
[07:15] <zequence> minist3r: Are we talking about jack or pulseaudio?
[07:16] <zequence> And where is the mic connected?
[07:16] <minist3r> Qjackctl
[07:16] <minist3r> Its actually the Mic input on my laptop it won't show up as an input in anything but the system settings
[07:17] <zequence> minist3r: Usually, the mic input and line input are one and the same. The mic becomes active when you stick something in it. Did you try that?
[07:18] <zequence> Oh, right..
[07:18] <zequence> That mic
[07:18] <zequence> Or, are you talking about a builtin mic?
[07:19] <minist3r> I did and even though it shows audio going in in ardour none of the inputs are the Mic input and no its not the built in Mic that works just fine but obviously sounds terrible
[07:20] <minist3r> I guess what I'm asking is there a way to force add an input in ardour and jack
[07:20] <zequence> jack will only show what your audio device has, physically
[07:20] <minist3r> And actually if I just use jack it gives me an error of no inputs but not with qjackctl
[07:21] <zequence> qjackctl controls jack
[07:21] <zequence> jack is jack
[07:22] <minist3r> I guess ill just have to go buy an interface I was hoping to lay down some song ideas
[07:22] <zequence> If you get sound from your mic, then it works
[07:22] <zequence> otherwise, as you said, might be a good idea to get an audio device
[07:22] <minist3r> Only sounf settings shows its working
[07:23] <zequence> sound settings?
[07:23] <minist3r> Ubuntu studio sound settings
[07:23] <zequence> There's no Ubuntu Studio sound setting. I guess you are talking about the pulseaudio mixer
[07:23] <zequence> The desktop sound
[07:23] <zequence> Or, the desktop sound server
[07:24] <minist3r> The little icon in the top right that shows volume
[07:24] <zequence> When using jack, try using a alsa mixer to control your card
[07:24] <zequence> Yeah, the volume icon belongs to the desktop sound system - pulseaudio
[07:24] <zequence> pulseaudio uses alsa drivers, just like jack, but is more focused on consumer audio
[07:24] <zequence> !poraudio
[07:25] <zequence> !proaudio
[07:25] <minist3r> I've read pulseaudio doesn't get along with jack sometimes
[07:25] <zequence> Don't believe everything you read
[07:25] <minist3r> That was on ubuntu forum
[07:25] <zequence> There's a bug in pulseaudio, previous to version 3, which makes it not let go of the card, when jack requests it - for some people
[07:26] <minist3r> Ahh
[07:26] <zequence> minist3r: When using jack, use a alsa mixer to control your HW levels
[07:27] <zequence> Either from the terminal, with alsamixer
[07:27] <zequence> Or, using the gui mixer - I forget its name
[07:27] <minist3r> The frustrating thing is it all works on my nettop but it can't handle realtime
[07:28] <zequence> alsamixer is pretty simple. You start it with the command "alsamixer", choose audio device with "F6", and quit it with "ESC"
[07:28] <zequence> Gotta run. good luck
[07:28] <minist3r> Thanks
[15:34] <mmw> Hello! Anybody know how to import video from JVC Everio camcorder in Ubuntu Studio?
[15:34] <holstein> mmw: depends
[15:34] <mmw> :)
[15:35] <mmw> If I say please? ;)
[15:35] <holstein> mmw: i would just try using one of the video editors with an import function
[15:35] <len-1304> That is not what he meant
[15:35] <holstein> it will depend a lot of hardware support
[15:35] <holstein> a lot on*
[15:35] <mmw> @len, I understand :) It was a joke.
[15:36] <len-1304> If your video is stored on an sd then plug the sd into the computer and drag and drop
[15:36] <mmw> Well, Ubuntu sees the SD card in the camera when I plug in the USB.
[15:36] <holstein> i like it when the camera's show up as a mass storage device and just let me pull the vid's over, but if thats not an option, try just opening something that imports video and see
[15:36] <holstein> the SD card thing would be the way to go ^^
[15:36] <mmw> But the files are not recognized by Openshot. I tried Kino, but that doesn't work either.
[15:36] <holstein> mmw: just take the sd card out of the camera, and put it in the actual machine
[15:37] <len-1304> ffmpeg may be able to convert
[15:37] <len-1304> or linav these days
[15:37] <mmw> thanks len
[15:37] <len-1304> libav*
[15:37] <mmw> what else does it do, lenav?
[15:37] <len-1304> libav is a fork of ffmpeg
[15:38] <len-1304> it happens to be what ubuntu comes with
[15:38] <len-1304> So if you use a ffmpeg command, that is what will run
[15:39] <mmw> hmm ok so ffmpeg is a dependency?
[15:39] <len-1304> different program
[15:39] <mmw> of libav just the gui for ffmpeg?
[15:39] <mmw> ok
[15:39] <len-1304> it is a replacemnt for ffmpeg
[15:39] <holstein> !infor ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:39] <len-1304> The real ffmpeg may have better support for more formats
[15:39] <holstein> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:40] <holstein> i usually just install that ^^
[15:40] <mmw> thank you!
[15:43] <mmw> problem is that i am looking for an intuitive way to import video, as it is meant to use by people who have not much technical knowledge, let alone ubuntu
[15:45] <mmw> gui would be nice
[15:45] <holstein> mmw: just drag it over in the file manager
[15:45] <holstein> mmw: i put my sd card in.. i open the filemanager of my choice.. i drag it over
[15:46] <mmw> but it is a .DAT file, OpenShot cannot read those
[15:47] <holstein> mmw: i would look on the camera and see if i could save or export as friendlier file types
[15:47] <holstein> what you are having an issue with is *not* the user friendliness of importing videos
[15:47] <holstein> this could be *any* file that linux is not allowed access to
[15:48] <holstein> mmw: i would search "ubuntu convert .dat to *whatever*" or search "linux convert .dat to *whatever*"
[15:49] <holstein> substitute *whatever* for avi, or mp4 or ogg... or whatever
[15:49] <holstein> http://convert.software.informer.com/download-convert-dat-to-avi-in-linux/ for example
[15:49] <mmw> hey thanks
[15:49] <holstein> then, you can import the proprietary files that device makes
[15:49] <mmw> i see no option in the camera for saving in other format
[15:51] <holstein> mmw: let the vendor know you dont appreciate the issues you are having with the proprietary format they are forcing you to use
[15:51] <mmw> i would hate to have to go back to windows for this
[15:51] <holstein> ?
[15:51] <holstein> the OS is irrelevant
[15:51] <holstein> the vendor can provide you tools for linux if they want.. but they might not
[15:52] <holstein> that is why you might "need" windows for that device
[15:52] <mmw> well, i don't have problems with the pre installed iMovie in os x
[15:52] <mmw> true, the cd does have windows programs
[15:52] <holstein> mmw: that is still a file type support issue
[15:52] <holstein> mmw: that is not a linux problem
[15:52] <holstein> there is no "linux" making sure that vendor supports it
[15:52] <mmw> i had hoped that studio had built in support
[15:52] <holstein> just you and me, and the stuff we have that we are trying to use
[15:53] <holstein> mmw: we are not allowed to
[15:54] <holstein> this is not tech support.. this is a volunteer, community based effort to supply support
[15:54] <holstein> we are not allowed to know anything about that proprietary format
[15:54] <holstein> even if we were official paid tech support.. if you called apple or microsoft, they would tell you to contact the vendor for support
[15:55] <holstein> and you can contact the vendor.. or, just convert the files to something friendlier
[15:55] <mmw> thank you all for your help
[15:55] <mmw> i am going to look for a way
[15:56] <holstein> mmw: be sure you are asking the proper question
[15:56] <holstein> you are asking "how do i import my video from this specific camera"
[15:56] <holstein> that is far from the actual issue
[15:56] <holstein> you can pull the file over off the sd card.. doesnt matter what the device is
[15:56] <holstein> then, you have a file type issue.. a proprietary format
[15:57] <holstein> you need a converter for that format, to make it useable.. the device is irrelevant and never needs to be attached to linux at all
[15:59] <mmw> well, in Final Cut Pro or iMovie, there is simply a menu option that allows you to "capture"/transfer video from the camera
[16:00] <mmw> Kino has this option too, but doesn't support the file type it seems
[16:01] <holstein> mmw: final cut pro and/or imovie could be made for linux
[16:01] <holstein> mmw: i could give you a filetype that you could take from my linux box that wouldnt easily open on the windows or mac machines
[16:02] <holstein> but, they are open formats that are easily supported
[16:02] <holstein> you have a proprietary format
[16:02] <holstein> mmw: i would convert the .dat to something kino can, and more definitively, is *allowed* to use
[16:03] <holstein> https://answers.launchpad.net/openshot/+question/173501
[16:04] <mmw> thanks
[16:05] <mmw> I will let you know if i find a solution
[16:06] <mmw> thanks a lot for your help
[16:06] <mmw> bye
[18:52] <SunStar> having a problem with resuming from suspend on 13.   didnt look at the tech details when aport gave me the chance. how do i see them so i know whether this KernelOops report already on launchpad currently reported is actually related to my crash?
[19:35] <len-1304> SunStar, the log files are all in /var/log/
[19:35] <SunStar> i didnt see anything there
[19:35] <len-1304> there is one that says kernel.* and one called syslog
[19:35] <len-1304> That is the best I know.