[00:29] <hyprvx> Hello, how can I force an update through the 12.10 update manager to 13.04?
[00:29] <k1l> update-manager -d
[00:29] <k1l> d for developer version
[00:30] <hyprvx> Thank you k1l
[02:51] <ryaxnb> i like ubuntu 13.04!
[03:19] <ryaxnb> why are my window icons on the right side?
[03:19] <ryaxnb> i just installed gdm, gnome 3 and icewm is on display:1
[03:19] <ryaxnb> any of those cause it?
[03:19] <ryaxnb> i expect them to be on the left in unity
[03:23] <ryaxnb> HALP LOL!
[03:50] <ryaxnb15> any ideas?
[03:50] <ryaxnb15> what really bothers me about linux these days
[03:50] <ryaxnb15> is how incompatible GNOME 3 and Unity are
[03:51] <ryaxnb15> the tender harmony of freedesktop has been disturbed
[03:52] <IdleOne> not sure how they are incompatible when Unity runs on top of gnome 3
[03:53] <ryaxnb15> i mean, running both at once is very difficult precisely because of A)
[03:53] <ryaxnb15> er, precisely because of that.
[03:53] <ryaxnb15> i just installed GNOME 3, set my theme back to Ambiance
[03:53] <ryaxnb15> and i still can't get unity to function right.
[03:53] <IdleOne> you mean snome shell
[03:53] <ryaxnb15> yeah.
[03:53] <IdleOne> gnome*
[03:53] <ryaxnb15> used to be you could change DE easily through freedesktop
[03:54] <ryaxnb15> and there were standard DE-agnostic DMs
[03:54] <ryaxnb15> now each DE requires its DM
[03:54] <ryaxnb15> and each DE seems stupidly tied to it's own themes and stuff
[03:54] <ryaxnb15> i've gotten used to changing themes everytime i run Gnome DE
[03:54] <ryaxnb15> now it seems i have install the overlay scrollbars when i want Unity DE and uninstall them for GNOME DE
[03:55] <ryaxnb15> we need some standardization here.
[03:55] <ryaxnb15> so that all the processes necessary to change DEs happen when you choose a session in a DM that should ideally be agnostic. Failing that, make choosing DMs not require a reboot and make lightdm stop sucking.
[03:56] <ryaxnb15> right now i have to coax Ubuntu into becoming GNOME 3/Shellified in several steps, and then coax it back into being a Unity box every time i switch
[03:57] <ryaxnb15>  the problem with lightdm is that it doesn't support more than ~8 session types and you can't choose which ones appear
[03:57] <ryaxnb15> so it's too buggy for me to use once i've installed MATE, GNOME 3, Unity, Xubuntu, Cinnamon, Icewm, and Lubuntu
[04:11] <elky> hrm, anyone else having the unity dash not revealing sometimes? as in not even the shadow appears?
[04:12] <elky> not sure if the silly elantech mouse or unity
[04:12] <elky> s/mouse/trackpad/
[04:27] <bjsnider> ryaxnb15, the split between gnome and ubuntu is only likely to increase
[04:27] <bjsnider> as it has been increasing so far, i don't see why it shouldn't continue to increase
[07:46] <Valtam> is there a mini cd for 13.04?
[07:48] <doodah> DEBUG:duplicity:Giving up on request after 5 attempts, last status 400 Bad Request
[07:51] <wilee-nilee> Valtam, I am not seeing one I believe the mini's are on releases. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[07:52] <Valtam> thanks
[07:52] <Valtam> so what is 'raring core' ?
[07:53] <wilee-nilee> Valtam, Not sure, how is it referenced?
[07:56] <Valtam> wilee-nilee, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[07:58] <wilee-nilee> Valtam, Not sure to be honest. ;)
[07:58] <Valtam> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core
[08:03] <wilee-nilee> Valtam, Thanks that gives somewhat of an explanation, it is a tiny download in a tar, so as a guess it seems to be similiar to a mini as in a net install, I would wonder if it is exactly live the mini in choice of installs of servers or desktops...etc
[08:03] <wilee-nilee> s/live/like
[08:04] <Valtam> there is a procedure to install it but tbh I can't be bothered :)
[08:05] <wilee-nilee> Valtam, Seems for specific use not sure what though as a regular user, the net installs though I believe are how you get the non pae kernels or at least has been.
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> or server installs
[10:47] <supertough> anyone running ubuntu 13.04?
[10:47] <supertough> i'm having problem with amd hd 7850 card
[10:47] <bekks> In this channel, pretty much everyone runs it.
[10:47] <supertough> after installed the proprietary driver i get a message saying failed to loaded session gnome
[10:48] <bekks> How do you install which driver exactly?
[10:48] <supertough> sudo sh *.sh --force
[10:48] <supertough> sudo ./*.sh to remove watermark
[10:48] <steveire> Can anyone help me come up with some workaround/more info for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1161655 ?
[10:49] <bekks> supertough: Whatever that might broke.
[10:49] <supertough> it seems like the amd driver i download is not compatible with 13.04 yet
[10:50] <supertough> right now i'm back to 12.10
[10:50] <bekks> Did you check the logs?
[10:51] <supertough> on my HP desktop i also got a amd 5450 card
[10:51] <supertough> no problem with that one
[10:51] <bekks> Did you check the logs?
[10:51] <supertough> i did
[10:51] <supertough> but have no idea how to fix the error
[10:51] <bekks> So whats the probloem in the logs? module not found, etc.?
[10:52] <supertough> i can't recalled it i just reinstalled with 12.10 on my desktop
[10:53] <bekks> So you dont even have a support issue then, now?
[10:53] <supertough> sh: 1: inxi: not found
[10:53] <bekks> I bet that not an error fro the X logs.
[10:55] <supertough> trying to show my video card
[10:56] <supertough> sh: 1: inxi: not found
[10:56] <supertough> sh: 1: inxi: not found
[10:57] <bekks> How do you try to show your video card?
[10:57] <bekks> lspci | grep VGA
[11:05] <supertough> CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-3770 CPU (-HT-MCP-) cache 8192 KB flags (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips 27138.2
[11:05] <supertough>            Clock Speeds: 1: 1600.00 MHz 2: 1600.00 MHz 3: 1600.00 MHz 4: 1600.00 MHz 5: 1600.00 MHz 6: 1600.00 MHz 7: 3401.00 MHz 8: 1600.00 MHz
[11:05] <supertough> Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI PITCAIRN PRO [Radeon HD 7800 Series] bus-ID 01:00.0
[11:05] <supertough>            X.Org 1.13.0 driver fglrx Resolution 1680x1050@59.9hz
[11:05] <supertough>            GLX Renderer AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series GLX Version 4.2.12172 - CPC 12.10.17 Direct Rendering Yes
[11:05] <bekks> STOP
[11:05] <bekks> This is not a pastebin!
[11:06] <bekks> And that wasnt the output of lspci | VGA either.
[11:08] <supertough> i just want to know if someone manage to get ubuntu 13.04 working on amd hd 7850 card
[11:08] <supertough> if you did can you tell how?
[12:17] <steveire> Is there some way to find out what configs I've changed from the default configuration?
[12:18] <steveire> powertop seems to have changed a few things for me, and I wonder what else is non-default by now
[12:18] <steveire> Relating to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1161655
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Happy Easter all
[13:42] <steveire> yofel: fyi my networking issues are now solved. I have wired and wireless again, but there's certainly still bugs somewhere: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1161655 Thanks for the help
[13:44] <yofel> interesting. Good that you at least got it to work though
[13:49] <steveire> Yep. Interesting journey of discovery.
[13:52] <penguin42> hmm I didn't no powertop would do persistent
[13:54]  * penguin42 would probably check /etc/sysctl.d to see if it put anything in there
[13:54] <yofel> he didn't say whether "before" was in the same session or before a reboot
[13:54] <yofel> and this looks like it would fail the moment you enable runtime PM
[13:54] <yofel> guess I can test it later
[13:57] <ritz> hi, wallpaper aint loading up on raring as of today
[13:57] <ritz> with unity
[13:57] <penguin42> yofel: That stuff is very hardware specific
[13:58] <yofel> probably. I do at least e1000e, so might as well give it a try
[13:58] <yofel> *at least use
[13:58] <chunkyhead> did ubuntu 13.04 final beta freeze release yesterday?
[13:58] <yofel> chunkyhead: freeze yes, release no
[13:59] <yofel> beta release is april 4th
[13:59] <chunkyhead> wait what is freeze?
[14:00] <yofel> chunkyhead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaFreeze
[14:00] <chunkyhead> can anyone help me out with the 13.04's torrent download link?
[14:01] <yofel> which image are you looking for?
[14:02] <chunkyhead> i386 yofel
[14:02] <yofel> chunkyhead: if you're looking for a current install image you'll find it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[14:02] <yofel> torrents aren't available until beta release
[14:03] <chunkyhead> oh i didnt know that, you mean beta final release? yofel
[14:03] <yofel> yes
[14:03] <yofel> there will be torrents for the beta images
[14:05] <chunkyhead> alright thanks a ton mate :D
[14:06] <chunkyhead> btw whats the difference between beta 1 release and beta final? just less bug prone right?
[14:06] <yofel> yes, they're just at different points in time
[14:06] <yofel> ubuntu had on beta1 btw.
[14:07] <yofel> *no
[14:07] <chunkyhead> and one more thing, the link you sent me, i386 one is giving me a 404 -____- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/daily-live/20130328/raring-desktop-i386.iso
[14:08] <yofel> weird, click on the image below, that has the correct link
[14:09] <chunkyhead> 404 again
[14:09] <chunkyhead> for amd
[14:09] <chunkyhead> server crashed?
[14:12] <bekks> dont you have a 64bit computer?
[14:12] <yofel> chunkyhead:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.iso gives you a 404?
[14:13] <chunkyhead> I LOVE YOU. thanks a tone
[14:13] <chunkyhead> tonne*
[15:08] <harrisr> link to be emailed when final version comes out
[16:13] <hyprvx> Hello, I upgraded to Raring and now the computer no longer boots
[16:13] <hyprvx> It's just a plain black screen
[16:14] <hyprvx> The screen goes off, and moving the mouse brings it back on, but it's still a plain black screen
[16:14] <hyprvx> Attempting to go into commandline mode does not work
[16:16] <hyprvx> Okay, some of you would be good at #IdleRPG, but I seriously need help
[16:18] <IdleOne> hyprvx: answer may be slow to come, long holiday weekend for many people
[16:19] <k1l> hmm, dont know. but your videocard and the used driver could help
[16:21] <hyprvx> I just upgraded from Quantal last night, and it was doing this after the upgrade
[16:21] <hyprvx> after rebooting
[16:22] <hyprvx> if it's of any help, the computer is a CR-48 modified to run the InsydeH2O BIOS
[16:25] <IdleOne> what GPU?
[16:29] <hyprvx> Intel Atom
[16:30] <hyprvx> wait, that's a G
[16:30] <hyprvx> it's some integrated Intel GPU
[16:31] <hyprvx> sorry, my monitor makes C's and G's look almost the same
[16:32] <IdleOne> lspci | grep VGA
[16:32] <IdleOne> that is a G not a C
[16:33] <hyprvx> again, this monitor and font makes me confuse Cs and Gs
[19:45] <bazhang> info linux
[19:45] <bazhang> !info linux
[20:39] <rymate1234> yo
[20:39] <rymate1234> just installed gnome 3.8
[20:39] <rymate1234> man is it siiiiiick
[20:40] <rymate1234> apart from this one annoying error with gnome tweak tool http://pastebin.com/fWuaMkVd
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> rymate1234, Got it instaled cool. ;)
[20:40] <rymate1234> lol
[20:45] <rymate1234> error only occurs in classic mode
[20:49] <bjsnider> gnome 3.8 isn't available in ubuntu yet
[20:49] <bjsnider> not until the next cycle
[20:57] <rymate1234> ok
[21:14] <supertough> how do you check version of gnome?
[21:15] <bazhang> !info gnome-common
[21:15] <bazhang> supertough, ^
[21:16] <wilee-nilee> gnome-shell --version
[21:17] <supertough_> thats mine GNOME-Shell 3.6.2
[21:17] <supertough_> check out my distro
[21:17] <supertough_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kq_I52oteQ
[21:18] <bazhang> supertough_, thats not on topic here
[21:19] <supertough_> okay is there a way to make my system run ubuntu 13.04
[21:20] <supertough_> after i installed amd hd 7850 driver it said failed to loaded session gnome
[21:20] <supertough_> i'm stuck at the login screen
[21:21] <supertough_> and when I sudo apt-get purge lens* alt+f2 become useless
[21:21] <bjsnider> a lot of people have been talking about login issues the past couple of days
[21:22] <supertough_> i also love to get rid of that overlay-scrollbar
[21:22] <bjsnider> given the holidays i don't know if a fix will be forthcoming very soon
[21:22] <supertough_> and is there a way to keep the global menu from disappearing?
[21:23] <supertough_> will there be settings to make unity on the left move to the bottom?
[21:23] <supertough_> i really dislike left left left
[21:23] <wilee-nilee> supertough_, There was but it is a hck so no.
[21:24] <supertough_> wilee thats what i dont want a hack to get everything working the way i like.
[21:24] <supertough_> i mean a simple settings would be nice
[21:41] <supertough_> will there be more reliable support for google android on ubuntu 13.04?
[21:42] <supertough_> kinda of tricky to get my stuff off this lame android phone with mtp connection
[21:43] <supertough_> on windows 7 it just work
[21:43] <supertough_> no need for me to turn on the usb developer debugging
[21:44] <supertough_> any updates to get flawless MTP support?
[21:44] <wilee-nilee> supertough_, My droid shows right up, what is the rom on the android?
[21:45] <supertough_> i think mine is ics when i updated this thing it starts to use the MTP instead of usb connection
[21:45] <supertough_> 4.1.1
[21:48] <wilee-nilee> supertough_, What release are you running this is the 13.04 channel?
[21:48] <supertough_> ubuntu 12.10
[21:48] <supertough_> gnome-shell --version
[21:48] <wilee-nilee> supertough_, You need #ubuntu for that release.
[21:49] <supertough_> its ubuntu
[21:49] <wilee-nilee> supertough_, Correct but this is the development channel for 13.04 specifically. ;)
[21:50] <supertough_> suggestion MTP support more settings for Unity
[21:50] <wilee-nilee> supertough, I'm surprised the android device does not just mount with a plugin, it may be theOEM version
[21:50] <supertough_> more options to disable useless Lens
[21:50] <supertough_> i had no problem hooking this up to windows 7
[21:52] <wilee-nilee> supertough_, Do you have in androids developer option usb debuging ticked?
[21:52] <supertough_> did that trick
[21:52] <supertough_> nothing still.
[21:53] <wilee-nilee> supertough_, Well anyway this is the wrong channel so I can't resond anymore, nor do I know the answer, lol. ;)
[21:53] <supertough_> i know just want to let the devs know my problem that's all
[21:53] <supertough_> hopefully this get some work around on the next release
[21:53] <wilee-nilee> Cool
[21:55] <supertough_> ubuntu 13.04 refused to work with my amd hd 7850 so I can't test any farther
[22:04] <ironhalik> Hello
[22:04] <ironhalik> I've got a small problem with eclipse
[22:05] <ironhalik> in the package explorer, item that is selected has white font on grey background, when the explorer is not the active window
[22:05] <ironhalik> AFAIK, the settings regarding fonts and colors there are controlled by gnome, not by eclipse
[22:06] <ironhalik> on light grey background*
[22:21] <AndChat237204> hello
[22:21] <AndChat237204> 13.04 is here!
[23:42] <r0OOt> i discover a new exploit in ubuntu   http://rooot.dyndns-server.com/
[23:42] <bekks> r0OOt: Stop it.
[23:42] <bekks> You've been banned seconds ago for posting that nonsense already.
[23:59] <ironhalik> !danger