=== juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [03:13] is it possible to push applications from Qt Creator to the Ubuntu Touch Device for testing? I'm trying to find information on how to do that, if it's possible that is. Thanks! [03:20] nevermind.. found the information in Qt Creator under Devices :-) [03:25] the problem now is that i don't see it on the phone... that is until i close an application and then i see it for a brief moment only for the main navigation app loads up === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [05:04] ogra [05:04] grga_ [05:05] ogra_ [05:05] Got logcat === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [05:09] ogra_: Pastebinn: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5657145/ [05:16] ogra_: Trying to run it manually, it says: /usr/bin/ubuntu-session: 53: /usr/bin/ubuntu-session: cannot create /proc/272/oom_adj: Directory nonexistent === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === hopkinskong_ is now known as hopkinskong [05:28] ogra_ what about now? === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [06:31] ogra_ are u still here [06:41] Did a port ever get written for the ATT Galaxy S3? [06:48] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39156949 That one? :) === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [07:58] ogra_? [08:14] ok but so if i cant run the available software for linux, why would i use ubuntu touch on the nexus instead of android? [08:31] Yeah that was the right release [08:32] Im tempted to sell my S3 and get a nexus [08:32] Ive been using my Z10 as my main phone lately now that i got instagram working on it [08:32] Could ubuntu get a runtime environment like Blackberry 10 for running native Android apps? [08:33] That would be a holy grail for the success of Ubuntu Phone [09:35] ogra_? === Lloir|zZzZzZz is now known as Lloir [09:59] from where i shoud download ubuntu touch [10:00] sidhu: doesnt https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install list a proper way for you? [10:00] no...their is not a single link regarding this...or it is hidden somewhere else [10:02] is there anyone....having info about the download link of ubuntu touch [10:03] there is the stuff in the regular cdimage folders, iirc: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ [10:35] hi all! [10:48] hi [11:00] ah i see [11:00] well i'm sorry, but then this is by far not documented enough [11:00] one might think that ubuntu touch is a fully fledged ubuntu for the nexus 10 [11:01] and it turns out it cant run any linux software?? at least write it somewhere that is easy to see === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch [11:04] pa, it can run any linux software but does not use Xorg, so any apps using X libraries will not work until you port it [11:05] (there are people running apache on ubuntu touch i heard) [11:05] ouch [11:05] will it get X? [11:05] no [11:05] it will get Mir [11:06] hm.. dont know it, but is it X compatible? [11:06] eventually it will get XMir that will allow you ro run X apps ... [11:06] but thats rather for when Mir enters the desktop [11:06] i see.. but what's wrong with X? [11:06] bloat [11:06] i mean, maemo runs X without any problem [11:06] and is fast as hell [11:07] in fact faster than android [11:07] right, but you cant run it on 50 devices, can you ? [11:08] ubuntu touch has been ported to that many in just a few weeks [11:08] right, but i said it meaning that X can go fast [11:08] the prob with X is that there are not many arm drivers [11:08] ah right [11:08] and it has massive protocol overheard [11:08] Mir works directly on the GL libs [11:08] no layers inbetween [11:09] well, lets hope this XMir lands on the touch soon then :) [11:09] (for more detail there is the #ubuntu-mir channel) [11:09] ah thanks [11:09] XMir will land on the desktop first, so that will still take a while [11:10] then it would have been nice to have the option of having X, for now [11:10] i mean [11:10] if one wants, one can get it, slow, but working [11:10] that doesnt make much sense ... [11:10] since the target of ubuntu touch is to develop a mobile system [11:11] (and later a converged device ) [11:11] desktop apps dont really make any sense in that context [11:11] hm.. but the only edge such system would have is to provide the same software on desktop and mobile [11:11] otherwise there are tons of other mobile systems that dont [11:11] thoough if you own a nexus7 tablet, we actually offer a desktop system for it [11:11] you know, iOS, android, bb10, jolla, etc [11:12] oh.. [11:12] not for the n10?? [11:12] nope [11:12] i mean nexus 10 [11:12] shit.. [11:12] no xorg drivers [11:12] will it get one? [11:12] ouch [11:12] not unless someone offers licensed mali drivers [11:12] pa: i think you should take alook out if there is a ubuntu-arm port for your device. if you want regular X apps on your tablet, like on xda-developers [11:12] i can check [11:13] thanks for the tip [11:13] the only official arm ports we have are for pandaboard, n7 and (semi officially) the ac100 netbook [11:14] at least for the desktop side ... there are some additionally for servers [11:14] but provided that mali drivers will be available, would canonical release also for N10? [11:14] probably ... but it is unlikely you will see properly licensed xorg drivers for mali [11:14] i see.. i need to check.. i might have a connection with the mali team :) [11:15] so at least i'll ask [11:15] there is the armsoc driver (i'm using it currently on this chromebook with ubuntu) .... but it requires the GL libs for which there is no license at all [11:15] pa: but i have tested a regular linux desktop on an arm tablet. dont overestimate the handling with touch. its really not that easy [11:15] so they cant be legally distributed [11:16] pa: so a touch-oriented version from ubuntu for phones and tablets makes alot of sense [11:16] thanks [11:18] yes i can imagine that it's not easy [11:19] i tried some desktop apps on maemo, it's difficult [11:19] but sometimes it's the only way, if you need that app [11:20] pa: dont mix up: you need the app vs you need the task, imho [11:21] yes, well, for example you need to open a .djvu document, and there's nothing that does not need X [11:21] write an app ;) [11:22] you can use all available backends from the archive ... just needs an UI [11:23] i think there is a demand for an ebook and djvu reader app [11:23] besides, one might not want to rewrite the thousands apps already available for linux, right? [11:24] i'm not saying it wouldnt be good to have a touch-friendly version of these apps, but it is a huge work, and so having a X server might be a temporary solution [11:25] no. it wont ... it wont blend in with the usability and UI concept [11:25] once we have the convergens stuff in place you will be able to connect your phone to a monitor/mouse/kbd and just run these apps though [11:26] i see [11:26] running them on the touchscreen will just give you a bad experience [11:26] well, not that unity gives such a great experience, no offense :) [11:27] did you try ir on a phone yet ? [11:27] (or tablet) [11:27] have you considered something more touch friendly? like the swipe ui in bb10 or maemo or sailfish [11:27] not yet, only on desktop [11:28] well ... try out ubuntu touch and then come back :) [11:28] i will as soon as i get the nexus :) [11:28] unity on ubuntu touch is quite different to unity on the desktop [11:28] i hope so :) [11:28] pa: at least you should try it yourself if you judge about it and compare it to other systems [11:29] k1l_, well i thought it was the same as the desktop one, as canonical always sold it as "the same ui everywhere" [11:29] but if you say it's not, i will check it out, first [11:29] pa: no. [11:30] the same look doesnt mean the same control. again, dont underestimate to have a touch only device [11:30] it is (or eventually will be) the same UI .... but adjusted for the use case [11:30] hi all ! [11:31] ogra_: on that topic, [11:31] the current touch unity (also called unity next) will enter the desktop during the 13.10 development cycle (which starts in may) [11:33] ogra_: In a hurry the other day wanting to show an up-to-date version of utouch on the nexus7... I found the nexus7-installer and used it. Err, that's not uthouch ;) But nice to look at nevertheless. After an upgrade I lost the ability to use the on-screen keyboard during the install. Which means no way to type a username and as such to finish the install. [11:34] ogra_: Now, it doesn't matter that much. But I can't wind the way to install utouch again as 'adb devices' is always empty no matter what way I reboot the nexus7. [11:34] vila, that should be fixed with the most recent image, the installer was using compiz which was constantly crashing and killing the focus of input fields [11:34] we switched back to metacity a few days ago [11:34] ogra_: I'm using the most recent image according to nexus7-installer. [11:35] let me check when the actual change happened [11:37] ubiquity 2.13.18has the change ... [11:38] hmm, but the latest image doesnt have that ubiquity version [11:38] vila, i guess you found a bug :) [11:39] * ogra_ checks why there is no newer build than from the 15th [11:39] ogra_: great, I'll report it. [11:39] dont bother, i'm looking already ... [11:39] ogra_: Ha, great, let me know the bug # so I can subscribe. [11:39] seems there were no image builds since the 15th ... though i should have gotten mails about that, not sure what went wrong === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [11:40] ogra_: any work around in the mean time to get a tablet usage back welcome ;) [11:40] well, the installer works even with compiz if you repeat the install over and over ... it doesnt always crash ... [11:41] ogra_: but that's less important than a proper fix, don't lose time on it and thanks for the hard work ! [11:41] ogra_: It's not a crash, I'm still able to navigate back. [11:41] ogra_: there is still no exit though ;) [11:42] HA ! [11:42] vila, its just the /current link thats wrong ... apparently there were newer builds ... [11:43] hmm, but they werent published [11:43] ogra_: so re-trying nexus7-installer right now is enough ? [11:43] nope === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik [11:43] ogra_: in a few hours ? [11:43] something is wrong with the image publisher ... [11:44] ogra_, Is there any special in the logcat? [11:44] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/ has the right dirs ... but no images were published [11:44] ogra_: ha, tomorrow ? next week ? [11:44] hopkinskong, your android build is completely screwed, no idea why but the modules dont match the kernel and the like [11:45] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5657145/ [11:45] just leave the modules [11:45] i know why./ [11:45] vila, not sure, everyone is on easter holiday atm [11:45] ogra_: yup, me included ;) [11:45] Because the name is different, my kernel is dirty now, but my modules don't. [11:45] * ogra_ should be too [11:45] just leave it, it should run without those modules. [11:45] hopkinskong, well, that doesnt look like you did a proper image build [11:46] ogra_: so no pressure really ;) I can just cancel the demo and wait for the fix. [11:46] it wont run that way [11:46] do u mean i should download another daily image? [11:46] vila, well, thanks for the pointer ... given i got no failure mails i didnt keven think abotu checking [11:47] hopkinskong, there is no issue with the daily image, your android is completely broken [11:47] find out why, make a new image and try again [11:47] There is no clue in the logcat. [11:48] Idk which part is broken [11:48] everything. it cant execute the libs and it misses the needed modules [11:49] i have no idea about your device, you need to find out yourself [11:50] it can execute the libs? Where do u noticed that? In the logcat? [11:50] can't* [11:50] it definitely is not able to execute stuff from /system [11:50] How do u know that? [11:50] looks like things are differently compiled [11:51] and it didnt mount /proc properly either [11:51] it mounted [11:51] i have output on "ls -l /proc" [11:53] the startup scripts didnt ... your busybox cant be executed ... sorry i really cant help ... do a proper and complete image build, make sure all bits in place come from the same build [11:53] btw [11:53] it looks like you have only rebuilt some bits but not others [11:53] and replaced only pieces [11:53] Is EGL included in the cm10.1? [11:53] i mean the .zip file [11:54] Should be "libegl" included? [11:54] i fyou properly added it by using the android scripts [11:54] like described on the porting page ... [11:55] without libEGL/libGLES you will nevefr get the gui to work [11:55] Because i can't find "libegl" in /system/lib, i need compile it standalone. [11:55] What i mean is "libhybris" [11:55] it seems that it won't compile into the .zip [11:55] libhybris is the translation layer that makes the ubuntu userspace talk to the underlying android layer [11:56] How do i know if libhybris is compiled properly? [11:56] one part needs to come from the android side, the other half is shipped in the phablet zip file [11:56] chekc your build log from the brunch run [11:57] do you mean: "brunch leo | tee > ~/Desktop/build_log.log" [11:57] and check build_log? [11:57] right [11:57] or just use the scrollback in your terminal if you ran brunch [11:58] i found some entry of "hybris" [11:58] Export includes file: ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/Android.mk -- /media/ubuntudev/android/out/target/product/leo/obj/EXECUTABLES/ubuntuappmanager_intermediates/export_includes [11:58] is it compiling properly? [11:58] i have no idea [11:59] target thumb C++: libsf_compat_layer <= ubuntu/hybris/compat/surface_flinger/surface_flinger_compatibility_layer.cpp [11:59] * ogra_ goes to check the issue with the nexus7 desktop images [11:59] ah, a quick way, what ".so" would be generated if "libhybris" is compiled properly? [12:07] chewie-client build failing on raring: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5657856/ help ? [12:17] popey: do you think me email to the YouTube devs was clear enough? [12:56] vila, code fixed ... there should be a new build soon [12:56] ogra_: you rock ! I let you know asap (but casus belly with gf to try it now :-}) [12:59] and there is is :) [12:59] ogra_: whadya fix? [12:59] pmcgowan, nexus7 desktop image publication was broken [13:00] ah [13:00] nothing touch related [13:00] dont worry :) [13:00] I think there may have been a regression yesterday but I did not load it yet [13:00] someone complaned of the camera not working and graphics performance [13:00] yeah, its weird that so many ports users seem to have issues recently [13:01] yup saw it in the backlog [13:01] there was a new qtmultimedia [13:01] I am loading now [13:01] we may need to revise our sync strategy [13:01] someone needs to test prior to sync [13:02] i thought jenkins did .... or is that just buildability ? [13:02] I need to check on what tests are run but clearly not enough [13:02] not at system level [13:03] for cdimage there is a concept in place but not finished [13:03] but until thats improved maybe we make a manual step [13:03] right, thats the current plan [13:03] so we wont sync until someone blesses it? [13:03] QA works on automation but they havet it ready yet [13:04] we have new subdirs in place on cdimage [13:04] there is a /pending dir now ... once QA pulled the trigger the content of it gets moved to /current [13:04] just got another wrong number ;) [13:04] sounds good [13:05] the infrastructure is largely in place ... but the testing side isnt yet afaik [13:05] it should be read once we build raring touch on cdimage though [13:05] *ready [13:05] ok [13:07] * ogra_ goes back into easter vacation ... [13:07] (fri and mon are holidays in germany) === Kurlon_ is now known as Kurlon === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [13:50] hi all [13:52] if i use ubuntu touch instead of android on my nexus 4 what am going to lose? [13:52] datas, apps, etc [13:53] so i can non longer use apps like facebook whatsapp and viber? [13:56] pmcgowan, jhodapp : verified camera app is busted in latest image, appears to be a dependency issue. looking into it [13:56] bfiller: thanks, am still downloading [13:56] pmcgowan: media player works fine though [13:58] blindman82: its just for development right now, we are working on those apps [13:59] just one last question there is no way to dual boot android and ubuntu on nexus 4 right now? [14:00] I think thats possible but not sure [14:00] our images do not support that [14:00] thx :) [14:02] привет, Русские есть ? [14:05] Hi, would ubuntu touch for samsung p7500 [14:06] ? [14:07] Hi, are there any secrets to running a QT Quick 2.0 application on an Ubuntu Touch device through QT Creator (Ctrl+F12)? I see the code being copied to the target device and run but I don't see it on the device :-( [14:08] namo_: check wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [14:08] mbender71: it should appear if it uses the approach in the docs [14:09] mbender71: is it in the apps lens? [14:10] i'm afraid I'm just starting out with Qt & Ubuntu Touch.. very green.. I've been searching and reading as much as I can but I haven't found a reference/resource/example on application details to run on Ubuntu Touch (i.e. settings, methods, etc) === jono is now known as Guest21379 [14:11] Thanks [14:11] I'm coming from the iOS world where pushing ANY template over (no matter how simple) to an iOS device via Xcode just runs.. period. [14:12] I was expecting specific templates in QT Creator and "Run On Device" to just work. I don't see specific templates.. [14:12] you should see ubuntu templates [14:15] bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-release-0-0-64/+merge/156164 [14:15] gusch: approved [14:18] pmcgowan: you are correct. I was using templates under "Application" since the tutorial on Ubuntu's Mobile web site actually doesn't use templates under "Ubuntu" in QT Creator [14:19] in all honesty, information on Ubuntu's web site (for mobile/touch) is buggy.. it's either outdated or just not enough. perhaps it's due to rapid development pace.. i dunno. [14:20] bfiller, thanks [14:21] mbender71: feedback noted [14:27] mbender71: some better examples here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps [14:27] like clock and claculator [14:28] pmcgowan: fantastic! thank you for the link. I will grab an example and just to push it to my Ubuntu Touch device :-) [14:34] mbender71: how were you trying to "Run on device"? [14:35] bzoltan: in QT Creator you can CTRL+F12... or Build -> Ubuntu -> Run in Ubuntu Device [14:36] bzoltan: this is displayed on the top of the "Devices" page within QT Creator when it detects a device [14:36] mbender71: That is the correct way. All Ubuntu templates from the application wizzard runs on the device if the development mode is enabled on the device. [14:37] bzoltan: i used templates under Application, and not under Ubuntu as per the Currency Calculator example on the ubuntu touch web site [14:37] bzoltan: perhaps that is my problem [14:38] mbender71: The CtrlF12 support only qml projects with pure QML/JS applications. === trouto is now known as tcrouto [14:39] mbender71: at this moment on the Ubuntu Phone you can remote deploy only Ubuntu apps [14:39] bzoltan: again, i'm a newbie to Qt and very green. So Qt Quick UI will *not* run through CtrlF12, only Qt Quick Applications right? [14:41] mbender71: No worries :) both the Ubuntu Phone and the Qt5 Quick2 technology are so new that nobody is expected to be guru yet :) [14:41] bzoltan: I'm starting fresh here and not trying to force anything to the Ubuntu Phone. Just trying to learn the proper steps and configuration to make an app for ubuntu touch [14:42] mbender71, I'm blogging my experiences as I go [14:42] mbender71: At this moment Ubuntu Phone supports only Ubuntu applications. Both the vanilla Qt Quick Applications and Qt Quick UI project templates will miss essential files and configuration. [14:43] http://theravingrick.blogspot.com [14:44] pmcgowan: just grabbed the ubuntu-calculator-app. i'm able to run it on my ubuntu desktop, but no luck at all with CtrlF12. Should i do something special on the Ubuntu Phone first before trying to run it? Perhaps be at a special screen/menu? [14:44] mbender71: if I remember that key shortcut needs to be set in qt creator [14:45] mbender71: try from the menu Build > Ubuntu > run on device [14:46] mbender71: Did you enable the development mode on the device? [14:47] here's what I do ... [14:47] click the devices button at the bottom of the left channel [14:47] click "Detect Devices" in the top right [14:47] click "Enable Developer Mode" if necessary [14:47] then I can interact with it through QtCreator :) [14:51] rickspencer3: good stuff there, but I managed to figure that out yesterday and have no problems with QT Creator connecting to the device (and set to Developer mode). [14:51] :) [14:52] *bingo* goodness.. i just decided to pull the battery, reboot, reconnect to network, and reconnect to phone to my desktop and then did Build -> ubuntu -> run on device and the calculator came up! [14:52] woot [14:52] mbender71: did you try to open an Ubuntu app template and deploy on the device? [14:52] THANK YOU ALL (for putting up with me). [14:53] mbender71: Good job! :) [14:53] Now i know I have an environment/setup that I can begin learning with! Again, thank you! [14:54] have fun mbender71 [14:55] for clarification : I must use/start with the Ubuntu templates in Qt Creator? I noticed they are all UI and not Application [14:56] mbender71: we are encouraging folks to stay within QML as much as possible [14:59] is the ubuntu tablet out yet or can i put it on my smaung galaxy tab 2 10.1 [14:59] mbender71: the support for Qt C++/QML hybrid apps will come later, but as pmcgowan said, right now the focus is on pure QML/JS apps. [14:59] it wont be "out" before october .... its mainly for preview and development currently [15:00] harrisr, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [15:00] bzoltan: hence the absence of Qt Quick Application templates, on the UI templates right now :-) [15:01] mbender71: Exactly [15:02] Work in progress [15:02] Please try to keep the tables sorted. 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