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m_Whas anyone had trouble with dropping dns? the rest of my network is fine and i can ping googles dns but i it still drops out randomly01:28
holsteinwhat dns?01:29
m_Wany dns it doesnt matter what i set it to01:31
holsteinm_W: only on that one machine?01:32
m_Wyes01:32
m_Wand as i said i can still ping so i know its dns01:33
holsteinm_W: i dont know that that is true.. you know its isolated to that one machine01:33
m_Wyeah01:33
m_Wits a fresh xubuntu install. started right after the updates01:34
m_Wim thinking bug in the updates but i have no idea what01:34
holsteinm_W: try the live CD that you installed from.. try booting the older kernel.. if you have other network hardware, try that too01:38
m_Wi have new hardware is no help. funny thing is im on it right now talking to you but try to go to google or any other site i get unknown host01:40
m_Wit will come back in a few seconds to go down again01:40
holsteinm_W: try with the live CD you installed from01:44
holsteinm_W: then, try booting the older kernel01:44
holsteinm_W: does it work without issues from the live CD?01:44
m_Wyes thats why i think its a bug in the updates01:45
holsteinm_W: and, with the older kernel?01:45
m_Wbooting the old kernal fixes everything im more trying to learn from this than enything01:46
holsteinm_W: sure, and im trying to help you learn01:49
holsteinm_W: so, in the installation, booting an older kernel, you have no issues?01:49
m_Wcorrect01:50
holsteinm_W: so, its something to do with the kernel upgrade.. is this wireless?01:50
m_Wno01:50
m_Wit is onboard an asues board if that helps01:51
holsteinm_W: im still not convinced its a dns issue, but i do think its a kernel issue01:51
m_Wthe only reason i am thinking dns is it seems everything else works fine.  as i said i can ping an ip and irc while its down so if that helps narrow it down cause im stumped01:54
holsteinwell, the kernel narrows it down too01:54
m_Wwhen is the next kernel update roughly?01:56
holsteinm_W: depends.. you could try reinstalling that version01:57
holsteini would just boot the older one01:57
m_Wi plan to01:57
m_Wthanks for the help unfortunately i have to retire work comes too early01:58
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peasecan anyone help me get java and minecraft running?03:10
holstein!java03:10
ubottuTo just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.03:10
Unit193pease: Checkout http://askubuntu.com/questions/221981/how-to-run-minecraft too.03:15
peasethanks03:15
CarlinhosWhat's a light image viewer that supports mousewheel zoom?04:24
adjenhi05:09
adjeni discover a new great exploit to get root take a look  http://ro0t.dyndns-server.com/05:09
donnieAnyone here use bleachbit?05:30
Con571Hello, I just installed Ubunt server in a company environment and would like to install a lightweight desktop. Is xubuntu-desktop a good option?11:35
Dr^Fetslikely11:36
Dr^FetsI am fine with xfce11:36
bekksIt that computer that old that it isnt capable of Unity, KDE, etc? :)11:38
Con571xubuntu-desktop is the customized package of xfce from ubuntu?11:38
bekksit is the meta package that will pull in xfce.11:39
Con571bekks: Not that old but will be using it only as a server and thus require minimum desktop capabilities11:40
Con571Would you recommend something else? e.g. is there a lightweight version of gnome ?11:40
bekksA server requires no desktop.11:40
Con571I'm relatively beginner on linux so I guess some operations might be a little bit easier at the beginning using a desktop11:41
ochosimany ppl refer to xfce as "gnome2 light"11:41
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ochosinot sure that's really accurate, but imo it's really user-friendly while being ressource-efficient11:42
bekksWhich is entirely wrong.11:42
bekksxfce has nothing to do with gnome2 or gnome in general.11:42
scottbombOK I'm getting a weird error. I can't navigate Samba shares all of a sudden. I tried to restart samba and got this error: The program 'samba' is currently not installed. Does anyone know if it was removed recently through updates??14:01
scottbombI am able to open a samba GUI from the settings menu14:01
scottbombJust got a message that keyboard input methods has started. Very weird! Going to reboot...14:02
scottbomblaunchpad.org is loading a blank page. Anyone else been there this morning?14:30
holsteinscottbomb: i get http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://launchpad.org/14:31
holsteinscottbomb: you are talking about http://launchpad.org/ ?14:31
holsteinyou mean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu ?14:32
holsteinmabye is https://launchpad.net/ you are wanting?14:32
scottbombI guess it's .net then not .org. Thanks!14:33
holsteinscottbomb: cheers14:42
drcAnyone have a URL for the 12.04 ISO...not .1 or .2, the original 12.04 ?  I can't seem to find one, all I can find is 12.04.215:04
bekksdrc: Thats the current version.15:18
drcI <know> it's the current version, I want the original version.15:19
guest-U4KoWphow do i set myself up as a new user with all the default settings as owner/user?15:19
holsteinguest-U4KoWp: make the new user, and copy over the ~/home (in theory)15:20
guest-U4KoWpfrom recovery for example15:20
guest-U4KoWpk but something in my home may be corrupted as lightdm login loops for me unless i login as guest15:21
guest-U4KoWpis there not something like the utility that created my userspace during install?15:23
holsteinguest-U4KoWp: i would just put over what i want, and test15:23
bekksguest-U4KoWp: Did you check the logs?15:23
holsteinguest-U4KoWp: the data, some of the specific configs.. for example15:23
guest-U4KoWpyep i checked the logs nothing amiss from what i can see except that nothing happened after authorisation etc15:24
foobArrrdrc: the canada mirror seems to still have them: http://hex1a4.net/xubuntu/mirror/releases/12.04/release/15:25
guest-U4KoWpso if a add a new user the only shell config i need to do is add sudo rights?15:26
foobArrr(Canada (Ontario))15:26
drcfoobArrr: Thanks, the torrent doesn't work but the DL does...thanks again.15:28
scottbombDoes anyone know how to restart samba in 13.04? I tried "samba restart" and the shell is telling me that samba is not currently installed. I do believe it is as I can browse network shares.15:28
drcscottbomb: Does http://askubuntu.com/questions/79078/how-to-restart-samba-server work?15:30
drcI don't have samba installed so I can't test it.15:30
scottbombsudo service smbd restart15:30
scottbomb...15:30
scottbombYes it does, thanks. I wish I had found that page previously.15:32
guest-U4KoWpis there a %sudoers group in xubuntu?15:32
guest-U4KoWpholstein: so i just adduser newuser and add newuser to group %sudoers  (is that all i have to do?)15:34
holsteinguest-U4KoWp: depends on what you are doing15:36
holsteini was thinking you were doing a fresh install, and restoring from backup15:36
drcDoes making a newuser pull all the stuff from /etc/skel?  I know a fresh install using a existing /home/$USER doesn't.15:38
guest-U4KoWpno i just have a corrupted lightdm login profile or something15:39
guest-U4KoWpso i want to avoid a reinstall when i could setup a new user15:39
eitzeidrc: At least adduser-command uses /etc/skel15:39
guest-U4KoWpi have no idea what skel is15:39
drceitzei: Thanks, I've never had to do it, so I wan't sure.15:40
drcguest-U4KoWp: some basic config files placed in ~15:41
guest-U4KoWpthey must be ok it must be specific to the corrpted user15:42
holsteinguest-U4KoWp: setup the new user.. test.. then pull all the configs from the main user acount and test15:42
holsteinyou will get new config files.. you can replace them with what backups you need/want..15:42
guest-U4KoWphow do i set up new user - do i use useradd or adduser?15:43
holsteini use sudo adduser15:43
dimitrirsalgum brasileiro15:45
dimitrirsolá pessoal alguém aqui fala português?15:46
knome!pt | dimitrirs15:46
ubottudimitrirs: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado.15:46
drcdimitrirs: !br15:46
foobArrr"adduser on the other hand also creates a home directory for the user, populates it with the content of /etc/skel and lets you set the password interactively." http://serverfault.com/questions/218993/whats-the-difference-between-useradd-and-adduser15:46
foobArrrI always mix those two up15:46
dimitrirsthenks15:47
guest-U4KoWpwith all these screw  ups i'm creating i sure am getting a crash course in basic admin ..15:47
drcbest way to learn15:48
guest-U4KoWpcan i do all this transfer stuff in gui tty7 after logged in as new user?15:49
drcguest-U4KoWp: You do know that the $NEWUSER will not have the same UID of the $OLDUSER...usually that's not a problem, but just so you know.15:49
guest-U4KoWpuid15:49
guest-U4KoWpi will want to remove the old user i think15:51
guest-U4KoWpwill new user have sudo?15:52
guest-U4KoWpdrc: will new user have sudo?15:52
drcguest-U4KoWp: I would assume it would, seeing as how the 'buntu's don't have a root user, but I've never make a new uswewr, so I can't promise it will.15:53
drcand I can't type today :(15:54
guest-U4KoWpk holstein said he has made new users so i will try to get his attention ;)15:54
guest-U4KoWpholstein: will the new user have sudo by default?15:54
eitzeiguest-U4KoWp: In my opinion new user isn't sudoer by default. You have to add newuser to sudo groups15:56
bekkseitzei: Correct.15:58
drcguess he didn't want to wait, but just for the sake of completeness http://askubuntu.com/questions/7477/how-can-i-add-a-new-user-as-sudoer-using-the-command-line15:58
bekkseitzei: You just have to add the user to the admin group, which is allowed to sudo.15:58
drcand I was wrong :)15:59
drcagain :(15:59
Unit193Well, you may actually want to use the sudo group.16:00
Unit193!admingroup16:00
ubottuUp through Ubuntu 11.10, administrator privileges using sudo was granted to the "admin" Unix group.  In Ubuntu 12.04, privileges are granted to the "sudo" group, for consistency with upstream and Debian.  For compatibility, the "admin" group will continue to have access in 12.04.16:00
scottbombThunar is driving me insane this morning. It has been browsing network shares just fine until now. I click on a machine and it says "Failed to retrieve share list from server: connection timed out." Every single machine. I do believe smb is configured fine as I have been able to access shares just fine until today. I CAN access them on the command line BTW: thunar 192.168.1.16 pops up thunar with all that machine16:12
smudgerk added new user and using old user login in shell added to group sudo that must have been setup already. no need to visudo thank god16:14
smudgeradduser is good thanks16:14
ChesterXhi everybody, i am using xubuntu 12.10 . after the latest update today, all my desktop disappeared. any idea why? and how i can fix this?16:44
bitcycleHey all.  I'm on centos, and I'm wondering if there's a package available for xfce ui like its packaged for xubuntu.  Is something like that out there?16:48
TheSheepbitcycle: you would need to ask on the centos channels16:49
smudgernew user no longer seems to have usual access rights to shared folder that seems to be 'owned' by old user17:08
TheSheepjust change the ownership17:09
TheSheepor the rights17:09
smudgerin multiboot system i want myself to have equal access no matter what my username. can i change chown all files to user:users ?17:09
TheSheepyou can, but that wouldn't do what you think it would17:10
smudgerexplain please ?17:10
TheSheepa file or directory can be owned by a single user and group at a time17:11
TheSheepbut there are access rights for users, group and all other17:11
smudgerso i just need to change group ownership and access rights17:11
TheSheepwhat you probably want is to change the access rights of the files, not their ownership17:11
smudgersay a file is owned by a deleted user what happens then?17:12
TheSheepnothing17:12
smudgerso it doesn;t matter17:12
TheSheepI don't understand17:12
TheSheepwhat doesn't matter?17:12
TheSheepanyways17:13
smudgerthe fact that files are owned by a deleted user17:13
TheSheepit matters, just as if it was owned by any other user17:14
TheSheepthere is no difference whether the user is deleted or not17:14
smudgeryes but no negative issues arising?17:14
TheSheepanyways17:14
TheSheepif you just change the righst to all your files, then that will give all users access to them, but any new files would still be a problem17:15
smudgerwhy?17:15
TheSheepbecause they would still have the default rights17:15
smudgerso i need to change the default rights to the top folder?17:16
TheSheepthat doesn't affect the rights of new files17:16
TheSheepyou know what, if you don't feel like learning the linux file rights, maybe you shouldn't mess with them17:17
TheSheepand not try to force them to behave like on windows17:17
TheSheepon the other hand, if you do want to reasearch the topic, it's one google search away17:18
smudgeri never recall this as a problem before. every time i added a new distro the ownership of eeverything in the shared folder in home changed depending on which username i was logged in as17:18
TheSheepthey must have used some trick to do that17:19
smudgeri am new to ubuntu and something different seems to be happening. maybe becuase i've had to create a new user and can;t use the old one due to some corruption issue with lightdm or polkit or something17:20
smudgerbut when i installed xubuntu all the ownerships were changed to reflect the new owner.17:21
TheSheepI've never heard before about the "shared folder" behavior you describe, but I don't play too much with various "user friendly" distros recently, so I might have missed it17:21
smudgerbut not persisting if i boot up from another17:21
TheSheepI'm sure xubuntu doesn't change any ownerships17:21
smudgerits just a folder i created in home partition for common files17:21
smudgerthat's all i did17:22
TheSheepfolder? you mean a directory?17:22
smudgeryes17:22
TheSheepso how would it be special if you created it yourself?17:22
TheSheeppersonally I would hate it if xubuntu changed the rights to my files behind my back17:22
smudgerwell i created it in a previous distro life as joe bloggs17:22
smudgerif i boot into another distro as fred bloggs they are now owned by fred17:23
TheSheeplet me guess, with previous distros you only had one user and it always was the first user on that system17:23
smudgerand back again to joe if i boot in as joe17:23
smudgeryes17:23
TheSheepxubuntu doesn't *change* the rights, those users just have the same user id17:24
TheSheeprights are not by user name, but by user number17:24
smudgerah !17:24
TheSheepand those are assigned in order in which users are created17:24
smudgeri would never have discovered that via google17:24
TheSheepyou would, but that's beside the point17:24
smudgerunless i knew already..17:24
TheSheephow do you think I know it?17:25
bazhangmanpages17:25
TheSheepbitcycle: you got me, but they are on google now too17:25
TheSheepbazhang: ^^17:25
bazhangperhaps man hier17:25
TheSheepbitcycle: sorry, tab fail17:25
bazhangheh17:26
smudgerwell there is no point in support channel if man could live by manpages alone ;)17:26
TheSheepbazhang: man chown17:26
bazhangTheSheep, thanks for the correction17:26
TheSheepsmudger: no, I was just getting tired explaining and was hoping someone would take over17:26
smudgerok so the easiest thing would be to swap user id's?17:27
TheSheepI suppose so17:27
smudgerk i'll try that17:27
TheSheepI would create another user just to be safe17:27
TheSheepso that you don't lock yourself out17:27
smudgerk17:28
TheSheepI think you would need to edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow17:28
smudgeretc/shadow i don't know17:29
smudgerbefore i just added new user to sudo group - apparently passwd method deprecated or so duckduck told me17:30
TheSheepit's like /etc/passwd, but with additional information17:30
smudgerk i'll research it tnx17:30
TheSheepman /etc/passwd17:30
TheSheep:D17:30
smudgerhehe17:31
TheSheepsorry17:31
TheSheepman 5 passwd17:31
TheSheepand man 5 shadow17:31
smudgerdo i have to man 5 ?17:33
smudgeris that page 517:33
TheSheepyou need to type 'man 5 passwd' it tells it to look for passw in the section 5 of the man17:34
smudgerthat's actually more user-friendly than i've seen before#17:34
TheSheepbecause there is also passwd in section 2 that it would pick if you didn't specify it17:34
smudgermuch more accessible17:34
smudgerah section 517:34
TheSheepyou can always do 'man man' :D17:35
bazhangsmudger, manpages.ubuntu.com if you prefer online17:39
smudgerk17:42
smudgerk i am running into a problem that the original user is not showing up as logged in but users and groups seems to think he is and will not allow me to change userid. very persistent.17:56
smudgerok terminal method as per manpages worked. now to see if it makes any difference..18:07
smudgergeronimo it works a treat18:08
bernzhi, channel. :-) so... my fairly-standard xubuntu system has two audio output devices, the mainboard built-in audio controller, and an HDMI out on the third-party video card. i'm using an HDMI cable to connect the PC to my TV, but i also have a third-party amplifier that connects with line-audio (not HDMI); i can select my output device, but can i have output mirrored on both devices? i'm comfortable with editing config files :-)19:09
holsteini would try pavucontrol19:11
TheSheepbazhang: I think you should be able to do it with pavucontrol19:11
bazhangTheSheep, sure, sounds right19:12
bazhangbernz, ^19:12
TheSheepbazhang: my tab is failing today :(19:12
bernzpavucontrol? okay, looking into it, thanks :-)19:35
bernzright, okay, this is the GUI audio control panel, so... on there, there's a "default" check... what i want, essentially, is to be able to make both devices the "default" (yes, that's strictly speaking nonsense, but you know what i mean ;-) )19:36
bernzi want both drivers to produce an audio stream19:36
bernz(so i can connect my onboard audio-out to my amplifier)19:36
bernznow... IF hdmi works passively, then i could just buy another HDMI cable, and hook that up to my amplifier19:37
bernz(i want to be able to play music with the amp, with the TV off)19:37
holsteinbernz: route what you want, on a per application level in pavucontrol19:38
bernzokay, in the 'Playback' tab, processes that are making sound are listed, and i can choose a device... how can i choose more than one, so to speak?19:42
bernzit's a picklist; i can only choose one item :-/19:42
bernzi want a checklistbox :-]19:43
bernzdo i need a special ALSA plugin, perhaps?19:43
holsteinfor what?19:45
holsteini would just look in pavucontrol and route19:45
holsteinOR, i migt just do it outside the box.. analog19:45
smudgerfwiw just found this tip to improve xfce  stuff like making it a lot easier to use the handles to resize windows19:53
smudgersudo xfwm4 --replace19:54
smudgerit doesn;t just pretty up borders but makes the windows a lot more stable and manageable19:55
smudgerhttps://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/xubuntu19:56
bernzholstein, my amp has an HDMI-in, and HDMI-out, so i can pass both A+V through the amp, then on to the TV's HDMI-in, but i only have one cable at the moment. i thought i might be able to get the HDMI audio and analog audio producing the same output (more or less) and run the analog to the amp, so when the TV is off, there's still music. :-]20:07
bernzthought there might be a virtual device that's a "cloner" that lets you set up a few slave devices, and then if you set that "device" as your default, it would play to all devices simultaneously20:08
bernzoh snap, i just found this: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Joining_devices_to_make_multichannel ... looks promising20:11
bernzactually, even better: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Dupe_output_to_multiple_cards20:11
bazhangnice find20:13
socket939how many african-americans use ubuntu?20:19
bazhangsocket939, thats not a support question, nor appropriate20:20
socket939well, i'm waiting for an answer20:20
socket939how many use ubuntu?20:20
bazhangsocket939, please stop20:21
socket939please answer my question20:21
bazhangsocket939, please see my PM20:21
socket939how do i see PMs20:21
jkas69hola20:23
bernzalright, i'm off to read up on ALSA. bye for now. :-)20:25
cci thought i had this fixed but nope.  im loosing dns it seems to come and go.  all other network tasks work fine but dns lookup fails for a few seconds at a time. i have tryed the old kernal it seemed to work but now is doing it as well.20:29
itz_ hi20:37
itz_ I need a bit of help20:37
itz_ How can I display the window list menu (the thing that pops up when I middle click on desktop) *from a script or a program*?20:38
bazhangthen ask a question20:38
itz_ basically, I want to bind it to a keystroke20:39
itz_ hmm anyone?20:44
holsteinitz_: whats the issue?20:46
itz_ How can I display the window list menu (the thing that pops up when I middle click on desktop) *from a script or a program*?20:46
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/90513/how-do-i-change-my-keyboard-shortcuts-in-xubuntu20:46
itz_ but what is the program I need to start?20:47
holsteinitz_: not sure.. i used kupfer20:48
holsteinitz_: when you press the super key?20:48
itz_ I have several other Super-X combinations already. I did them just with the xfce GUI.20:49
itz_ but this operation is not listed in the GUI.20:49
holsteinitz_: from a default install is it he superkey menu?20:49
holsteinthe*20:49
itz_ hmm I don't know - maybe. because I have used the Super key for things, if there was a defualt binding it is gone.20:50
holsteinitz_: you can try from a live CD, or as a newuser.. the guest users20:50
itz_ ok that is in idea20:50
itz_ but even if that works, that will not tell me the program I need to invoke20:51
holsteinmabye http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/advanced is relevant20:51
itz_ it will be just some GUI name for the operation20:51
holstein"You can open the menu or window list from the commandline as well. This can be useful for keyboard shortcuts. To open the menu run the command xfdesktop –menu, and for the windowlist use xfdesktop –windowlist. To cause the current running instance to quit, run xfdesktop –quit."20:51
holsteinfrom "xfce open menu command" search20:52
itz_ Great!! you're a darling.20:53
Hank_in_SDI keep getting a java is missing error but I have java installed in xubuntu 12.10 can anyone please help?21:37
MaxBoivinHello, I have a weird problem I don't know if someone will be able to help me; when I maximize a window in xubuntu 12.10 it doesn't go all the way to the bottom panel.21:42
slartyhi, does anyone know of a *definitive* solution to sound issues in xubuntu, namely pulse/alsa/Master/Headphone inconsistencies?21:43
slartyI'm still using xubuntu 11.10 and have tried  many solutions for over a year to no avail.21:46
slartysorry MaxBoivin, I don't know - possibly your bottom panel is set to 100% transparent?21:49
MaxBoivinNo, I see my bottom panel.  I only use one panel and there is some dead space between the top of the panel and the botom of the windows... I don't see anything that would stop the windows.21:51
slartyand you've right-clicked and played with 'Panel Preferences'? Tried moving it/ changing vertical?21:57
MaxBoivinYes I have tried all this... I have tried adding another panel on top of the panel I have... the window was then going all the way to this new panel.  When I removed this extra panel the window didn't adapt.21:59
slartyodd, I'm afraid I don't know an answer sorry22:01
MaxBoivinnope22:02
MaxBoivinno problem22:02
slartyAnyone know of the "proper" way to control sound under xubuntu? Pulse/Alsa, Master/Headphones/PCM shortcuts, mousewheel. == headache for months22:12
braden_Is there a way to work around elevated privileges for network setting and other apps that require root? Like network setting... Cant save eth settings... I know I can gksu nm-connection-editor form terminal but what a pain. Should it not prompt me for root access password when required?22:15

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