=== cha5on is now known as cha5on_ === cha5on_ is now known as cha5on === SonikkuAmerica[a is now known as SonikkuAmerica [02:38] Hi! I have no idea how the Eagle circuit board design program, and some other program I forgot the name of, got installed on my kubuntu 12.04. Had no problems removing both, but am a bit confused. Does anyone know what might cause such a mysterious installation? I mean, I -guess- it could have been a dependency, but I was able to uninstall them without pulling anything else along. [02:41] @Fuzzy_Wuzzy no idea how that could have happened by accident. Maybe past you did it and forgot? [02:41] how is everyone this evening? [02:41] nah, never even heard of those programs. [02:42] that is very strange [02:42] besides, my install is very fresh - less than 24 hours :) [02:42] @larry_ not bad, how're you doing? [02:43] hmm... maybe I missed them on my initial purge? hmm :/ [02:43] don't s'pose anyone knows off-hand if the Eagle circuit board design prog is included by default in 12.04? :) [02:44] almost certainly not [02:44] I guess that'll remain a mystery then. Oh, while I'm here - is it safe to remove Menu Editor (described as XDG menu editor)? [02:45] or like, if I should [02:56] mao__: ll === kubuntu is now known as Guest78362 [04:07] Hello people [04:08] hi does kubuntu use gnome 2? does it have the optionn for top and bottom panels ie 2 panels if you so desire? reason i need to know is because 10.04 is being placed into the trash by the ubuntu powers. is kubuntu my alternative? [04:09] amigamia: KDE has the power to have that setup [04:10] what about gnome though, is that an opion with kubuntu? i dont like kde. i dont have anythign against one or the other i just have a preference for gnome [04:10] let me check the website brb === stephen is now known as Guest44687 [04:11] amigamia: Well you can install the new Ubuntu 12.10 release or 12.04 if you like long term and install xfce and set it up like GNOME 2, or install Cinnamon or MATE [04:11] MATE is the original GNOME 2 code [04:11] ok [04:12] amigamia: what system are you running? Ubuntu 10.04? [04:12] yes [04:12] it's the best ever. only like commodore vision better but that's another story. but yes i love this expereince completely. [04:13] well the best option is to update to the next LTS of 12.04 and install MATE which is GNOME 2 [04:13] I think anyway [04:13] ubuntu messed up with the unity and then all these esoteric desktop enviornments. i lost it after 11.x came out. and it still stinks to this date with 12/13. [04:14] so i dont have to live with that dreadful desktop environment? [04:14] just update to 12.04 as by default it will jump the the next LTS and install MATE http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download [04:15] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Mate_Desktop_de.png [04:15] amigamia: thats the wonder of GNU/Linux you can choice :) [04:16] yes your absolutely correct ahoneybun i agree completely [04:16] i am looking at it now [04:17] right now I am using Kubuntu 12.04.2 [04:17] ohi [04:17] mamemame187: hello! [04:17] I use 13.04 o.o [04:18] mamemame187: I have Ubuntu 13.04 in a VM with the newest GNOME 3 I can get to try it out [04:18] its like 3.7.5 [04:18] I like kubuntu 13.04 [04:19] mamemame187: I hear its very stable for a beta [04:19] Very [04:19] amigamia: how are you doing ? [04:19] Only thing that hates me is rekonq [04:19] I just use Firefox now [04:19] mamemame187: same here I see progress in it and I like a qt webkit browser [04:19] just that Firefox does everything I need [04:20] do you like it ahoneybun? [04:20] amigamia: what MATE? [04:21] oh i see yyou do have the panels ahoneybun [04:22] amigamia: on MATE? yes it looks just like GNOME 2 as it is, now GNOME 3.8 has a classic mode that has the gnome 2 look with the new technologies [04:29] test [04:29] wow it is still connected [04:29] strange [04:29] amigamia: what happened? [04:32] ikeep losing wifi with this clear hot spot here [04:34] oh ok [04:34] what is the signiifcance difference of kubuntu and ubuntu? [04:35] amigamia: Kubuntu tries to use a pure KDE stack while Ubuntu uses their own tools with a mix with GNOME stack [05:56] http://xteensx.info/hot-blonde-fucked-by-big-black-cock-in-tight-ass-hot-anal-scene === thelionroars is now known as AdmiralAckbar === AdmiralAckbar is now known as thelionroars [07:08] I've forgotten where to find the setting for ogg quality for ripping in Dolphin, and googling did not help me either, could one of you? === gary is now known as Guest65096 === lordieva1er is now known as lordievader [09:49] Good morning [10:15] hey [10:16] I've got an SD card that's acting funny. Are there any disk checking tools included in Kubuntu? [10:16] surfn_: fsck is allways available. [10:16] thanks lordievader, will try it now [10:17] surfn_: Do you know how to use fsck? [10:18] not really, its a fat32 located at /dev/sbd [10:18] sorry sdb [10:18] surfn_: /dev/sdb1? /dev/sdb is the entire card. /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on it. Is the sd-card mounted? [10:19] sudo fsck /dev/sdb1 [10:19] ran it, no files (which I knew) but it didn't do a deep scan (which is what I need [10:21] I need a scan that will check every bit of data [10:22] With acting funny do you mean things get corrupted or something completely different? [10:22] I'm using it in my raspberry pi, and it seems to corrupt. I have an exact same SD card, which works. [10:22] This one doesn't [10:23] and I want to see if there's something faulty in it. [10:23] it has a lifetime warranty. And i know something is wrong, I just want to know WHAT. [10:23] If it seems corrupt fsck.vfat should report it so. [10:24] surfn_: Is your RPi overclocked, setting Turbo? [10:24] surfn_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/147228/how-to-repair-a-corrupted-fat32-file-system [10:24] it only seems to do a really quick scan even with vfat [10:24] no, its not overclocked. Like on first boot, there's a problem. [10:25] You are sure the problem is the sd-card, not the RPi image? [10:26] like I say, I have another card, used the same image... it worked. [10:27] This one failed. So I reinstalled the image. Failed again. [10:27] So I reinstalled and tried in a second pi, failed again. [10:27] it does this weird thing, where it says an IRQ has fialed waiting for command 13 [10:28] Hmm, I have to agree this does point to the sd-card. [10:29] actually the error is: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12 [10:29] That might mean it is broken on a hardware level instead of the partition level. But don't take my word for it. [10:31] I have to go, good luck with your problem. I hope you find a way to fix it. [10:35] lordievader: no errors found [10:37] any other tools you think I might be able to use? [10:54] bbl [10:54] cheers for your help lordievader === FabianB is now known as Guest5795 === Ruben is now known as Guest1427 [12:13] Hiyas all [12:17] Hi, BluesKaj . [12:18] hi Graf_Westerholt [12:22] Where does one set ogg encoding quality in the System Settings? [12:27] Lynoure: system settings > multimedia> audio cds >ogg vorbis tab [12:28] BluesKaj: thank you. [12:30] BluesKaj: do you happen to know what's the scale for the slider though, in "quality" mode? [12:31] Lynoure: you're welcome , but I have no idea about ogg vorbis or the quality , I imagine it's the sampling rate [12:32] for recording / conversion [12:32] everything I've ripped recently comes out ~ 50K :( [12:32] and the slider is still about half-way [12:32] raising the sampling rate on existing mp3 ot other codecs doesn't make the sound any better quality [12:33] BluesKaj: I'd use quality level 7 on command line [12:34] usually makes one song about 4M [12:34] the slider has not been changed by me for a while, so this size drop caught me by surprise [12:35] I don't bother with those codecs , I just use regular wav files , similar to cd quality and compress with flac if I have to [12:35] lossless codecs have never appealed to me [12:36] or lossy rather :) [12:36] * BluesKaj drinks more coffee to wake up [12:36] BluesKaj: ogg is not lossless [12:36] ah. [12:37] yes it's lossy as I corrected myself just now [12:37] Would someone else know? [12:39] what bitrate do you choose in the bitrate based dropdown, Lynoure [12:41] BluesKaj: slider, not a dropdown [12:41] and there was bitrate and quality as options, I went by quality [12:41] and the slider is 8 notches from the left [12:42] whynot just max it out [12:42] Because they are then HUGE [12:42] and I cannot hear any difference after ql7, ever [12:43] these oggs do not even play [12:45] Lynoure > iirc the wikipedia page bout ogg is a good source of information on quality settings [12:45] Lynoure: suggest you search around for a #music chat or some such [12:45] AciD`: but I want to know what the slider scale is [12:45] AciD`: and how come it broke after November. [12:46] Lynoure > have you searched bugs.kde.org about that problem ? [12:46] These seem like kubuntu specific questions to me. [12:47] not yet, will now. [12:50] There does not seem to be anything relevant [12:51] Lynoure > then if you think it's a bug, it surely is worth reporting it [12:54] Lynoure: kubuntu specific maybe, but rather narrow in scope ..I was merely suggesting that amore specialized chat might have more experienced oggvorbis users on kubuntu [12:56] BluesKaj: thanks [12:57] even if I switch to bitrate, 256, still get tiny useless files :( [13:00] Does any of you use Dolphin to rip to oggs? [13:00] I prefer to verify bugs before reporting them. === ville is now known as biasko === denisboyun is now known as 66MAAGWU9 [15:27] Hsudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lockI === king is now known as Guest78206 [15:27] HI [15:28] 有人吗 [15:28] 菜鸟 [15:28] !chinese | Guest78206 [15:28] Guest78206: 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw === Graefin_Westerho is now known as Graf_Westerholt === Guest78206 is now known as chikie === Unit193 is now known as TheMaster [16:19] Riddell: I have updated my nootka branch with a patch fix arm ftbfs https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/nootka [16:19] Riddell: Haven't tested it yet [16:20] me off to bed, good night all [16:22] i have a computer under kubuntu that i can't use anymore: on booting, the loading screen keeps loading and nothing happens, i was able to boot on the console in recovery mode (one thing to note is that the console starts in read-only mode and that i have to remount the disk to be able to write), but i don't know what to look for :( i booted on a live cd and ran fsck /dev/sda1 but it returned "clean"; [16:22] dahz: A 'full' root partition? [16:23] Snowhog: full? yes there's only one partition [16:24] dahz: No. Full as in at or over 98% used (as in the amount of space). [16:24] Snowhog: no, half-flul [16:24] full [16:24] HI [16:25] dahz: You have only a single partition? Everthing is installed on that single partition -- no separate /home partition? [16:27] dahz: In the recovery mode open a root console and run the command "df -h" and see if /dev/sda1 is full (or nearly full) === FabianB is now known as Guest80341 [16:27] Snowhog: yes i think so: http://pastebin.com/CqENkzw9 [16:27] lordievader: ^ [16:29] dahz: Run the command: df -hT and pastebin the output. [16:30] dahz: You might also want to boot without the "splash" kernel option, then you can see where it goes wrong. [16:32] Snowhog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5661817 [16:32] dahz: Are you currently running off of a LiveCD?? [16:33] dahz: i'm talking from another computer [16:33] i'm in the grub menu, should i just delete "quiet splash"? [16:33] dahz: Well, that isn't helpful, as we need to see the space/usage stats on the affected PC. [16:34] Snowhog: this is from the affected pc, from the live cd [16:34] dahz: Yes remove it and boot. [16:36] Starting K Display Manager [fail] [16:36] last line is "Stopping Mount network filesystems [ OK ]" [16:36] dahz: Do you end up at a command prompt? [16:36] "Stopping Read required files in advance [ OK ]" [16:37] Snowhog: no, unless i go to "ctrl + alt + F1" [16:37] dahz: That will be okay. [16:37] dahz: Did you try to install a video driver? [16:37] lordievader: no i didn't [16:38] Snowhog: i'm logged in as root [16:38] dahz: As root? Did you activate the root account? It's disabled by default in *buntus [16:39] Snowhog: i don't remember, maybe i did, it's an old computer that i didn't use in a while [16:39] Do you see a # at the end of the prompt, or a $ sign? [16:40] it's a # [16:40] i didn't use the regular account because i don't have the password right now (i just have the root password) [16:40] dahz: Hmm. What is show when you type pwd and press enter? [16:40] /root [16:41] dahz: Okay. Change into your users home directory: cd /home/yourusername [16:41] Snowhog: i have access to my files [16:42] dahz: Yes, but we need to check on the ownership of the files within your users home directory [16:43] most files are owned by "user" and some files by "root" [16:43] dahz: All the files in a users /home directory should be owned by the user, not root. [16:43] (looks like these are linux-image / headers files of an old version that i may have played with a while ago) [16:44] dahz: I need you to actually be in your /home/username directory. Are you? [16:44] ok so i'll delete the root-owned files/folders [16:44] Snowhog: yes [16:44] dahz: NOOO!! [16:45] there's just linux-image deb files that i installed a while ago [16:45] they're* [16:45] i'm in /home/user [16:45] dahz: What is your logon user name? I'm sure it isn't 'user' [16:45] manon [16:46] dahz: Then change directory into /home/manon [16:46] /home/manon [16:46] i'm there [16:46] dahz: Okay, do a ls -la | grep root and tell me if anything is reported [16:47] Snowhog: first there is the parent directory "..", then a few files/folders of linux-image/headers sources and debs [16:47] You can reset the password on the o0ther account. Id use that accpount if possible, especially if it's i nthe sudoers file. Much safer than running as root. [16:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5661865 [16:48] passwd username password [16:48] ok i'm logged it as "manon" now [16:48] :) [16:49] Snowhog: i can safely remove these files, i don't need them anymore [16:49] dahz: But still in the console? [16:49] much safer because if you'rei n as root, then everything like X, Firefox, etc has root privledges, which is unsafe. [16:49] Snowhog: yes, i'm still in /home/manon in the console [16:49] ctrl+alt+F7 is still stuck [16:50] dahz: Type startx in the consle [16:50] i get a white bar in the middle of a black screen, loading in black, stuck at the beginning for now [16:51] still loading === king is now known as Guest14010 [16:51] oh! i got my desktop === Guest14010 is now known as chikit [16:52] that's a good sign right? :) [16:52] dahz: Yes. :) [16:52] May I interject something? [16:53] The best thing to do at this point is to grab your important data and then just do a new install to make sure everything is 100% clean. [16:54] You could always try to reset things via sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename, but that's less than ideal if multiple things are jacked up. [16:54] thanks for the suggestion [16:54] Obsidian1723: Not necessary (yet). dahz: Do a normal shutdown/reboot and make sure that you log in as manon. Make sure that you can get to the desktop normally. [16:54] and I would use Kubuntu 12.04 since it's LTS and 10 is not. [16:54] Snowhog: but we didn't change anything? it will still fail right? [16:54] Snowhog: Well, it's theo nly way to guarentee the system is 100% clean. [16:55] dahz: Shouldn't if you login as manon [16:55] Snowhog: but i don't even get the login screen [16:55] Snowhog: (just in ctrl+alt+F1) [16:55] Obsidian1723: Not really. His /home/manon directory doesn't have root owned 'critical' files. [16:56] Snowhog: I guess, to each their own. If I have a system that is beyond jacked up, I just nuke and pave, restore my /home from a known good backup and life is well again. [16:56] dahz: If you are not presented with the KDM logon screen, then you do have a video driver conflict with the current login manager. [16:57] luckily Ive only had that once. [16:57] Snowhog: when i boot, kubuntu is stuck on its loading screen, and the logon screen never shows up; however i can go in ctrl+alt+F1 and go in the console [16:57] Obsidian1723: Sure, and if it were my system, I might go that route, but only after I had exhausted all other approaches at resolving the issue. ;) [16:58] yes, i'm not tired yet :) [16:58] dahz: Yes, then it is a video driver issue -- at the point that the login manager is trying to load. [16:58] Snowhog: I guess it depends. I don't do it in all cases, if I can fix something quickly, of course I do.... but my days of geeking and tweaking for hours on end or days on end to fix something? Nah. I'll just push out an image and be done with it or do like I said earlier. [16:59] Snowhog: which drivers should i install? [16:59] I'm jaded after almost 4 decades of computing. [16:59] Obsidian1723: :) hehe. Yes, to each their own tolerance limits. :) [16:59] What can I say? [16:59] should i try "startx" again to see if there are any errors? [16:59] dahz: Yes. [16:59] dahz: wait a sec [17:00] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org [17:00] then do startx === Guest80341 is now known as FabianBu [17:00] that will set it back to default settings [17:00] If that doesn't work, you can alweays force a reinstall [17:01] ok one sec i need to reboot it [17:01] how can i show you the stdout/stderr outputs of startx? [17:01] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [17:01] my bad before [17:01] Obsidian1723: It could be that his system has LightDM as the login manager, instead of KDM. On one of my laptops, LightDM got installed as an 'upgrade' and I couldn't login -- was never presented with the login manager screen. That laptop with it's GPU wouldn't support LightDM; had to reinstall KDM and switch back to it, then all was fine. [17:01] gotcha [17:02] I have both on mine actually. [17:02] Obsidian1723: My [17:02] Obsidian1723: My other laptop; older; supports both. Go figure. [17:02] heheh gotta love computers [17:02] Obsidian1723: Snowhog: no output for sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [17:02] Obsidian1723: Of course! Just don't LOVE them!! (illegal in most jurisdictions) [17:03] now, doing startx, how can i show out the stderr/stdout outputs? [17:04] for instance by redirecting stderr/stdout in a file? [17:04] dahz: From the console, type: sudo apt-get install kdm and tell me what it wants to do? [17:04] Snowhog: it didn't ask me for anything, and started the install on its own, now it's asking me what i want as a default, kdm or lightdm [17:05] (blue screen of choice) [17:05] dahz: Select kdm [17:05] Snowhog: One of my old PCs met my .45ACP pistol the other day. [17:05] ok, then reboot? [17:05] dahz: Yes. [17:05] Obsidian1723: Cool!! [17:05] heh yeah it was fun [17:05] I got picts [17:05] if this is the issue, how can i avoid it switching to lightdm during next upgrade? 13.04 is coming soon [17:05] Obsidian1723: Way cool! [17:06] :D [17:06] dahz: It won't. [17:06] dahz: Or, if it does, then just install kdm again. [17:08] workiiing! [17:08] thanks a lot :) [17:08] dahz: :) See, no reinstall of the os was required. [17:08] Snowhog: http://i.imgur.com/F28W2Sn.jpg [17:08] sure :) [17:08] Snowhog: all in your tolerance level as you say... heh [17:08] Obsidian1723: heh. Nice pic. [17:09] got another in a sec here [17:09] http://i.imgur.com/zYalXOL.jpg [17:10] http://i.imgur.com/Hh2p8cv.jpg [17:10] Obsidian1723: Should request a RMA from the manufacturer. Tell them 'something is wrong, and my PC don't work anymore' !! :) [17:10] hahahaha [17:11] http://i.imgur.com/NZ3iUH8.jpg <-- my target I used to get my permit to carry. [17:11] Obsidian1723: Just to funny!! :) [17:11] Obsidian1723: From what distance? [17:11] 21 feet, which is what's required in order to get it. Most interactions, most gun figghts, less less than 4 seconds are in within 4 feet. [17:12] Normally you'rem uch closer, but I'm decent at longer distances. [17:12] !ot [17:12] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [17:12] this is way offtopic [17:12] The box ran Kubuntu :) [17:12] Obsidian1723: Nice. Here, in Alaska, we aren't required to have a CCP - state law allows all residents to carry concealed. [17:13] Snowhog, take this to the offtopic channel, Please [17:13] bazhang: Yes. Thank you. I know better. [17:14] Snowhog: Im over there [17:19] pls help am using an android phone cellion mi a300 locked to a network is there anyway i can unlock for free [17:20] kmon, hows this connected to kubuntu support [17:25] anyboady? [17:26] chikit, did you have a support question? [17:26] no,just talk [17:27] chikit, #kubuntu-offtopic for chit chat [17:27] !ot > chikit, just so you know... [17:27] chikit: See !ot for more info [17:27] !ot [17:27] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [17:28] !commands [17:28] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [17:28] whats the list of commands for the bot? [17:28] Obsidian1723: Are you looking for factoids? See http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi! [17:28] bazhang: i am freshman [17:28] Obsidian1723, please /msg ubottu when practicing commands [17:29] poor English [17:29] chikit, this channel #kubuntu is for support only ; #kubuntu-offtopic is for chit chat [17:29] chikit: What language do you normally speak? There's usually a channel for ubuntu in your langauge [17:29] *language [17:30] chinese [17:30] !cn | chikit, check this out [17:30] chikit, check this out: 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw === PasNox_ is now known as PasNox === crash is now known as Guest60749 [19:34] Is there a setting somewhere in Kontact to turn off flash/java plugins the way you can in a web browser? [19:59] can any tell me if is possilbe to play a video as screensaver? Thanks [20:08] i think you can athlon1 [20:08] ill look further into that [20:10] ok athlon1 [20:11] go to the repo and dl the app record my desktop and it should be in the media section [20:11] you might be able to do it with that athlon1 [20:12] idk though [20:12] Sorry, I was out... [20:13] goodtime: Hello. But that allows me to record my desktop. What I try is to play a video (loop video) when I don't use the computer [20:14] its a start [20:15] i dont realy know what eles their is sorry [20:19] ok, thanks [20:24] hello :) i was using ubuntu up until the whole Dash/Amazon "feature" was added to Unity...would Kubuntu be a safe alternative for anyone looking to avoid it, or are there plans for kubuntu to integrate it as well? [20:30] arthurfiggis: The shopping lens is specific to Unity desktop, it doesn't exist in Kubuntu. [20:32] genii-around: ahh i see! i don't know much about it so i thought i'd ask the experts :) that's great then, my pc has an odd uefi implementation apparently so i've been having trouble getting other distro's to boot properly...sounds like kubuntu will work fine [20:33] arthurfiggis: If you already have Ubuntu booting and running there, you can just install kubuntu-desktop and then the login screen will have Kubuntu as an option for your desktop choice [20:39] genii-around: ahh okay, so you can install the meta-package and switch it out :) that's even better, i already have an ubuntu 12.10 dvd burned off (my connection is better sometimes than others, i haven't been home for the "sometimes" yet) [20:40] genii-around: you can install unity then the kubuntu desktop [20:41] its apt-get install kde-full genii-around [20:41] might work [20:42] goodtime: the kubuntu-desktop package contains a suite of applications which have been selected as the default supported applications under KDE [20:43] yes i know but think about it [20:43] unity has what you need [20:44] so install the other desktop and all the unity apps are there [20:44] i wish i had known about uefi before i had bought my current pc, otherwise i would have bought something based on how well it booted anything -other- than windows :( what a pain...ubuntu is good because it still installs and boots fine on this system, but the dash/shopping lens issue was a big detractor [20:44] belive me thats what i do [20:44] goodtime: They already seem to have a working Unity desktop, etc etc [20:44] then i get bolth benifits of bolth desktops at once [20:45] so open up a terminal [20:45] sudo bash [20:45] password [20:45] apt-get install kde-full [20:45] or sudo apt-get install kde-full [20:46] yeah sudo [20:46] should work [20:46] plus that way you dont have to install virtualbox either ha! [20:47] saves a huge amout of time and resourses [20:49] if you do this remember to chose the plasma desktop to boot off with [20:49] therew is a little symbol next to were you type your password click it and chose witch desktop you want [20:50] theres* [20:50] choose* [20:50] lol [20:53] great, sorry for the delay...was just cutting/pasting some of the suggestions here to a text file and printing it off (in case my wireless is borked for any reason after i install 12.10 :P)... thanks very much for the advise and the answers everyone! i'm going to try to get kubuntu installed shortly, hopefully i'll be back later with good news :) [20:57] brb [21:08] hi [21:12] Is the main dif that kubuntu uses kde by default than ubuntu? [21:13] thats one [21:13] the suite of packages differs widely [21:13] I heard mate will allow gnome2 to be installed? [21:14] Oh really [21:14] there's no need for that, in the near term [21:14] I prefer gnome see. [21:14] What do u mean? [21:14] you should read up on what is coming for gnome3.8 [21:15] "classic mode" [21:15] Wil it allow for an upper nlower panel? [21:15] thats hardly on topic here though [21:15] Ok [21:15] slashdot has an article today [21:16] Ok brb [21:16] or google search gnome 3.8 features [21:16] Thanks === SonikkuAmerica[a is now known as SonikkuAmerica === Pici` is now known as Pici [22:11] Good evening [22:11] Saluton [22:17] Is there a setting somewhere in Kontact to turn off flash/java plugins the way you can in a web browser? === gst is now known as seekr === amdahlia is now known as dahlia === [] is now known as Guest35075 === Guest35075 is now known as ][ [22:42] Hello, does somebody knows how to setup wine to get age of empires 2 to work? [22:49] !appde | Condenado might be something about it here [22:49] !appdd | Condenado might be something about it here [22:49] damn my fat fingers [22:49] !appdb [22:49]