[00:00] <phillw1> tweakster: for sudo, it's most likely to get faster response using #ubuntu-beginners
[00:01] <tweakster> thanks, phillw1
[00:01] <phillw1> tweakster: for what gets installed on the different ways to 'fine tune' lubuntu, the list of everything is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[00:04] <phillw1> tweakster: lubuntu still has synaptic package manager, which will tell you what it is going to install so as to support what you have just asked to be added, if that is your question.
[00:17] <pvl1> im confused. is lightdm just the log in manager
[04:14] <poee> hi. how does lubuntu compare against ubuntu?
[04:14] <poee> I ve been using ubuntu for over six years, and I have an old system 2gbram dualcore and i want it really fast
[04:16] <holstein> !lubuntu
[04:16] <holstein> poee: try it live and see
[04:17] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu (bascially).. same repository sources
[04:17] <poee> and same apps?
[04:17] <poee> I presume
[04:17] <holstein> poee: no
[04:17] <poee> not out of the box, but installable
[04:17] <holstein> poee: mabye a few of the core applicaions
[04:17] <holstein> same kernel for example
[04:17] <poee> can i install all the ubuntu apps on lubuntu?
[04:18] <holstein> sure. kde ones too
[04:18] <holstein> but, the kde ones will pull in dependencies
[04:18] <holstein> lxde is lighter.. is it faster? might seem faster..
[04:19] <poee> I want something fast
[04:19] <poee> what about the space requirements
[04:20] <holstein> poee: well, your machine is as fast as it is
[04:20] <holstein> poee: will anything modern seem faster on that hardware than LXDE? not likely
[04:20] <holstein> try it live.. i mean, puppy linux is faster, but there are trade offs
[04:21] <holstein> lubuntu is ubuntu.. same backbone of support and repose.. puppy is different.. it is what it is, and is good at what its good at
[04:21] <poee> is puppy linux debian based?
[04:21] <holstein> i dont use puppy as an everyday OS.. but, lubuntu is a nice balance.. its still a full os.. installable, and full featured.. but light
[04:22] <holstein> poee: puppy is puppy. there are different ones based on different things.. but you dont really "install" it
[04:22] <holstein> poee: try it live to..
[04:22] <poee> okay well i guess its best to just download everything and try live
[04:23] <holstein> you could run xfce no issues with that hardware
[04:23] <holstein> really comes down to preference
[04:24] <poee> I also want something that occupies less hdd space
[04:24] <poee> I ve dual boot so my linux partition runs on 15 gb space
[04:25] <poee> that has been one of my concerns
[04:25] <holstein> poee: if you are going to install all the apps you had, it'll likely take up the same amount of space
[04:25] <holstein> hard drives are cheap these days
[04:25] <poee> yeah I should just buy a new hdd
[04:25] <holstein> 15gb's is plenty for most things
[04:26] <poee> i ve managed to keep it running okay
[04:26] <poee> but overtime things just add up, you know
[04:26] <poee> so yeah
[04:27] <mysteriousdarren> even this old netbook has 60 gb hd and 40 is free.
[04:28] <holstein> yeah, i have peppermintOS, which is a lubuntu spinoff, on a 16bg hard drive with no isues
[04:28] <holstein> issues*
[04:28] <poee> i have only 400mb free on my linux partition for over a year now
[04:28] <poee> lol
[04:28] <holstein> its not cramped
[04:28] <poee> peppermint related to linuxmint?
[04:29] <holstein> right.. a few of the mint devs.. they live nearby
[04:30] <poee> ah. right.
[04:30] <poee> linux mint is heavy though
[04:30] <poee> so I dont want to go there
[04:30] <poee> I ll just try and see xubuntu or lubuntu
[04:30] <poee> on a livedisk
[04:30] <holstein> well, im not suggesting you do, but peppermint is not heavy
[04:31] <poee> hmm okay
[04:31] <mysteriousdarren> +1 lubuntu
[04:32] <poee> i ll hit lubuntu
[04:32] <poee> I am more familiar with the ubuntu platform
[04:33] <poee> although if i thought of familiarity I d never have moved out of windows and into linux
[04:33] <mysteriousdarren> its the community that got me hooked
[04:33] <poee> ah yes. the help on ubuntu irc is never a minute away
[04:34] <poee> which one is the LTS verion
[04:34] <poee> ?
[04:34] <poee> version*
[04:34] <holstein> poee: there is no lts for lubuntu
[04:34] <poee> o_O
[04:35] <holstein> poee: though, the 12.04 repos will be maintained..kernel and all that for example
[04:35] <poee> what!
[04:35] <holstein> not lubuntu specifically.. the documentation is on the site
[04:35] <poee> okay i ll check
[04:35] <poee> I like lts versions
[04:35] <holstein> if youare not happy with that, install ubuntu 12.04 minimal, and install lxde
[04:35] <holstein> !minimal
[04:35] <poee> ohhh
[04:35] <poee> interesting
[04:36] <holstein> poee: im using the 12.04 lts.. i run openbox and tint2
[04:36] <mysteriousdarren> ive had great success with minimal to lxde
[04:36] <poee> thanks for this idea. I like the minimal more and more
[04:36] <holstein> mysteriousdarren: you just add what you want? not the lubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[04:36] <holstein> i would add either lxde or the lubuntu-desktop metapackage
[04:37] <poee> what gui does the minimal have
[04:37] <mysteriousdarren> holstein: you knw me, depends on the mood
[04:38] <holstein> mysteriousdarren: :)
[04:38] <holstein> poee: none
[04:38] <holstein> poee: its minimal. you add what you want
[04:38] <poee> ohhh you gotta use sudoaptget?
[04:38] <poee> i mean apt
[04:38] <holstein> poee: you *get* to sudo apt-get what you like..
[04:38] <mysteriousdarren> I love the choices
[04:39] <poee> ahhh okay
[04:39] <poee> time to try , me thinks
[04:39] <poee> so
[04:39] <poee> lubuntu-desktop or lxde?
[04:39] <holstein> right.. whatever you want
[04:39] <holstein> is lubuntu LTS? no
[04:39] <holstein> what does that mean?
[04:40] <holstein> no one from this team is going to support lubuntu after 18 monhts
[04:40] <poee> which package should i install,
[04:40] <holstein> months*
[04:40] <poee> oh why
[04:40] <poee> ?
[04:40] <poee> its outdated?
[04:40] <holstein> poee: im giving you the facts, and you can decide
[04:40] <holstein> "should" is a matter of opinion
[04:40] <poee> ah right
[04:40] <holstein> *if* you want the 12.04 lts with lxde.. install that
[04:40] <poee> so lubuntu is going to be outdated?
[04:41] <holstein> if you want the lubuntu-desktop.. install that.. what does it mean that there is no lubuntu lts? no one from this team will be testing the lubuntu specific stuff
[04:41] <holstein> poee: it will be "no longer offically supported"
[04:41] <poee> ok :(
[04:41] <poee> how about xfce
[04:41] <holstein> poee: "outdated" too, can be a matter of opinion
[04:41] <poee> will it be supported
[04:41] <holstein> poee: lxde is in the repos
[04:42] <holstein> poee: to get 12.04 lts and lxde.. install that
[04:42] <holstein> !xubuntu
[04:42] <poee> I can always rip off lxde and get xfce if lxde runs out of support
[04:42] <holstein> xubuntu follows the regular ubuntu scenario.. also, you can add only xfce there
[04:43] <poee> I ve run multiple desktops before
[04:43] <poee> gnome + xfce
[04:43] <holstein> poee: lxde will not "run out of support".. the lubuntu team will no longer officially support lubuntu
[04:43] <poee> ah okay
[04:44] <poee> okay i ll get minimal and work from there
[04:49] <poee> umm holstein
[04:49] <poee> how would i configure wifi on a minimal
[04:49] <poee> ?
[04:50] <poee> I dont want to install minimal and get stuck on it
[04:52] <holstein> poee: you insatll a DE, and use a wifi manager
[04:52] <holstein> poee: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop for example
[04:53] <poee> but to install DE you need a connection in the first place right
[04:53] <poee> or is it in built
[05:04] <wxl> hail eris!
[05:04] <poee> okay desktop is DE
[05:04] <poee> ..
[05:05] <poee> hmm
[05:08] <poee> okay i figured it out
[05:08] <poee> thanks all
[05:08] <poee> :)
[07:55] <michkri> Hey. Does somebody know how to change keyboard layout per window or app and not globally?
[08:45] <SixtyFold> Wow, there's only 66 users in here
[13:38] <lubuntu-question> hello
[13:39] <lubuntu-question> how big is a lubuntu installation?
[13:41] <lubuntu-question> i would like to install it in 4gb
[13:41] <lubuntu-question> but the installer tells me, that i need 4.4 gb
[13:41] <lubuntu-question> but i read on the net, that it were just something above 2gb when installed
[14:01] <SixtyFold> lubuntu-question - if you remind me the CLI for seeing how much diskspace i have used, i could tell you
[14:01] <SixtyFold> haha
[14:01] <lubuntu-question> df
[14:02] <SixtyFold> 3.19 gb
[14:02] <lubuntu-question> jea, that would fit nicely
[14:02] <lubuntu-question> on 4gb
[14:02] <SixtyFold> that's with firefox and chromium installed, not that taking out FF would change that much
[14:02] <SixtyFold> also i install gcc and make
[14:02] <lubuntu-question> why the hell does the installer stops the installation and tell that it need 4.4gb?
[14:03] <SixtyFold> installed
[14:03] <SixtyFold> swap
[14:03] <SixtyFold> maybe
[14:03] <SixtyFold> idk
[14:03] <lubuntu-question> i dont want swap
[14:03] <SixtyFold> did you manually partition?
[14:03] <lubuntu-question> no. the installer directly block. the device have just 4gb
[14:04] <lubuntu-question> because there is nothing in the system with more then 4gb
[14:04] <SixtyFold> you should dl the mini installation of ubuntu
[14:04] <SixtyFold> and pic the lubuntu option in it
[14:04] <SixtyFold> and see if that will fit it
[14:04] <SixtyFold> worth a try, have no clue if itll do it
[14:05] <SixtyFold> pick*
[14:07] <SixtyFold> yah, idk, total used, 3,192,776 / 16%
[14:15] <lubuntu-question> SixtyFold: you mean this? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[14:15] <lubuntu-question> this can install lubuntu?
[14:15] <holstein> !minimal
[14:15] <holstein> lubuntu-question: the lubuntu packages are in the main ubuntu repositories.. you can install lubuntu or lxde from *any* *buntu
[14:15] <lubuntu-question> holstein: this is the direct link from the page the bot posted -.-
[14:16] <holstein> lubuntu-question: i would look and see that the image is the one you want
[14:16] <holstein> lubuntu-question: the one you linked lookds like the 64bit minimal iso.. if thats what you want, thats what it is
[14:16] <holstein> you probably want the 32bit one
[14:18] <lubuntu-question> is there anywhere the 13.04 beta1 64bit minimal iso? cant find it
[14:18] <holstein> !13.04
[14:19] <lubuntu-question> i know what it is -.-
[14:20] <lubuntu-question> this are the listed: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[14:21] <holstein> lubuntu-question: then, join #ubuntu+1 to discuss is, as the link asks
[15:28] <kilonux> hello . need help for flashplayer on 12.04 on ppc
[17:09] <Jonatas_ZV> Hi, can someone help me? I downloaded the Lubuntu .iso file, mounted this with Universal USB installer. I would like to run Lubuntu in live mode in my old PC (Windows XP), but when i reboot the system, nothing happens. Can someone help me?
[17:14] <IdleOne> you need to set your BIOS to boot from USB probably.
[17:15] <IdleOne> the setting could be named "Boot from USB" or "Boot from External Media" or some other variant.
[17:18] <Jonatas_ZV> ok, so how can i do that? pressing f2 when the computer starts didn't work.
[18:33] <gnuvince> I have a quick question: if I play a SNES game in an emulator with a gamepad, after 20 minutes, the screen shuts down.
[18:34] <gnuvince> How can I configure Lubuntu such that gamepad inputs keep the laptop alive?
[21:03] <lxle> would like to edit the run command in the menu, anyone know the location?
[22:10] <holstein> lxle: ?
[22:48] <Guest60685> I've a problem with my wifi connection, can someone help me?