[02:14] <vibhav> good morning
[03:17] <aaron_rackspace> evening
[03:18] <aaron_rackspace> hey all, i'm looking for anyone who would be interested in a c++11 project that I'm looking to package with an ubuntu distro. would require an understanding of BGP, syslog, and TCP sockets.
[03:19] <aaron_rackspace> project is currently alpha
[05:03] <vibhav> heh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1161840
[05:11]  * ScottK is tempted to mark that critical.
[05:14] <vibhav> ScottK: :D
[05:15] <vibhav> Isn't there anything like "Critical \m/"
[10:27] <alkisg> Hi, can I submit portable Windows apps packaged as .debs in https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com ? They have launchers and icons and file associations and Depends: wine and everything, and they've been widely tested in hundreds of schools...
[10:32] <sladen> alkisg: "portal Windows apps" ?
[10:32] <sladen> alkisg: NET/CLR applicatoins?
[10:32] <alkisg> sladen: portable means that it doesn't require a setup.exe
[10:32] <alkisg> So that it can be installed in /usr/share/app, and not in ~/.wine/...program files...
[10:33] <alkisg> No usually they're MFC or Delphi applications
[10:33] <sladen> alkisg: x86-Win32 applications, that need to be run under Wine?
[10:33] <alkisg> Yes
[10:34] <sladen> alkisg: if they are probably configured, you control the source code, and have a dependency on wine; desktop files and such then there shouldn't be a problem
[10:34] <alkisg> OK in 3 out of 4. But in _some_ cases I don't have control over the source code.
[10:34] <sladen> alkisg: more commonly though, we do include CLI-CLR (".Net") applications
[10:35] <sladen> alkisg: there would be a problem distributing programs that are not allowed to be distributed
[10:35] <alkisg> E.g. the ministry of education has ordered some programs, and it has exclusive rights for everything including redistribution, but it doesn't have the source code
[10:35] <alkisg> (just because the people that received the app didn't care to ask about the code)
[10:36] <alkisg> So my team which is part of the ministry does have redistribution rights but not the source code
[10:36] <sladen> okay, so in this case you're acting on behalf of the Ministry of Education
[10:36] <sladen> and you've packaged what you've got
[10:36] <alkisg> Right
[10:37] <sladen> ah ha.  Yes, so, upload/submit those and be ready to explain this aspect when somebody asks
[10:37] <alkisg> Thanks a lot sladen, will do.
[10:37]  * alkisg looks for the screenshots infrastructure...
[10:42] <alkisg> sladen: ah, a last question please, am I allowed to submit greek-only apps, of course as long as they have an english description that states they're greek only? I've seen that happen with magazines in app center, so I think it's acceptable, right?
[10:44] <sladen> alkisg: AFAIK, that's not a problem.  Ideally it would be good to add an English description so that it's possible for more people to tell them apart
[10:44] <alkisg> Gotcha, thanks again
[10:45] <sladen> alkisg: btw, if you're involved with Greek, and the Ministry of Education, I would like to talk to you at some point about the Ubuntu Font Family coverage of Greek and how suitable it is
[10:45] <alkisg> sladen: sure, although I think in the ubuntu-gr team there are some members like simosx which already filed bug reports whenever there were problems with the greek glyphs of the ubuntu fonts
[10:46] <alkisg> I hang around at #ltsp most of the day; feel free to ping me whenever you need me
[10:47] <sladen> alkisg: yes, obviously the more /independent/ perspectives I get, the easier it is to work out what issues there might be across the board, and what issues are only the perceived in a single situation, or by only 1-2 people
[10:48] <sladen> alkisg: eg. if you're having to change the default font before sending laptops out, we know there's a significant issue
[10:48] <sladen> alkisg: whereas if they're being shipped out and people are /using/ them, then the potential improvements can be smaller
[10:49] <alkisg> I haven't heard about any complains wrt the ubuntu font lately, or with the default ubuntu/greek fonts in general... on the other hand, the default debian/gnome installation uses cantarell which doesn't have greek glyphs at all, so there's a big problem there, but of course not related to ubuntu
[10:49]  * sladen nods
[10:49] <alkisg> We do have problems with the default tahoma font shipped with wine, but that needs to be solved upstream too
[10:50] <sladen> is that MS Tahoma (which is not shipped by default), or is that the default subsitution for MS Tahoma (eg. Deja or something
[10:50] <alkisg> It's the wine tahoma implementation
[10:51] <alkisg> Someone has implemented a tahoma font especially for wine, but it lacks i18n glyphs
[10:51] <alkisg> So very bad substitutions happen, so bad that the text is almost unreadable
[10:52] <sladen> "wine-tahoma-fonts".  Right
[10:53] <alkisg> I volunteered to include some greek glyphs from another font inside the tahoma.ttf shipped with wine, at least temporarily until someone actually implements the correct glyphs, but upstream didn't really respond to that idea
[10:53] <sladen> there will be legal issues
[10:53] <alkisg> Not if the other font has an open source license too
[10:54] <alkisg> E.g. if we copy from liberation or deja vu, to tahoma.ttf...
[10:54] <Joy3003> Hello guys, can u please redirect me to the page where GSoC ideas are being discussed??
[10:54] <Joy3003> I'm new to this.
[10:54] <Joy3003> Thanks in advance. :)
[10:58] <alkisg> Unrelated to the fonts issues, the most important problem that we have with greek localization, is that lightdm destroys the "us,gr" layout on login, so people can't type greek unless they manually add them from the gnome keyboard applet... LP bug #1016409
[10:58] <alkisg> That started with 12.04 and hasn't been addressed since.
[10:59] <sladen> Joy3003: one people.  it was on ubuntu-devel (mailing list) recently
[10:59] <sladen> Joy3003: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/036962.html
[10:59] <sladen> Joy3003: that was links to the Wiki page
[12:57] <doko> xnox, trying to understand why all of /usr/share/tcltk/tcl8.5 was left in tcl8.5, and not moved into tcl8.5-lib ...
[13:51] <cjwatson> doko: tcl8.5-lib is really a misnamed libtcl8.5 IMO, and as such it makes sense for it to just be the M-A: same library
[13:52] <doko> cjwatson, it's not the name, just that tcl8.5 is non-functional without the library files
[13:52] <cjwatson> tcl8.5-lib isn't meant to provide a functional tcl though
[13:52] <doko> imo, tcl8.5 should only hold the tclsh binary
[13:52] <cjwatson> It's just "thing to link against"
[13:53] <doko> then tcl8.5-lib is enough for an embedded tcl interpreter
[15:08] <wmp> hello, i have problem with multiarch in 13.04, when i trying to install consolekit:i386 apt-get want to remove half of my system
[15:21] <wmp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1162247 - who can look on this?
[16:37] <cjwatson> wmp: consolekit isn't multiarched so it is not expected that you should be able to install consolekit:i386
[16:38] <wmp> cjwatson: so why pulseaudio:i386 has in depends consolekit:i386 ?
[16:39] <cjwatson> It's not expected that you should be able to install pulseaudio:i386 either.  I've posted a suggestion in the bug for getting less misleading debugging information
[16:41] <wmp> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1162247/comments/2
[16:41] <wmp> cjwatson: this isn't same?
[16:43] <cjwatson> Oh, I missed that, sorry
[16:43] <wmp> ;)
[16:44] <cjwatson> You appear to have some kind of broken PPA active
[16:44] <cjwatson> Whatever is providing libjack-jackd2-0 6:1.9.9.5-1+kxstudio1~quantal1
[16:45] <cjwatson> And your problem appears to be that apt can't find a matching libjack-jackd2-0:i386 to install
[16:45] <wmp> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1162247/comments/3 :D
[16:45] <cjwatson> wmp: Irrelevant
[16:45] <cjwatson> wmp: You have that version of libjack-jackd2-0 *installed*
[16:46] <cjwatson> Moving sources.list.d aside, if anything, would make matters worse
[16:46] <cjwatson> With multiarch you need to have exactly matching versions of any libraries that need to be installed on >1 architecture
[16:47] <cjwatson> Downgrading to the version of libjack-jackd2-0 (and any related packages) in raring might help
[16:47] <wmp> cjwatson: how to downgrade package?
[16:47] <cjwatson> apt-get install libjack-jackd2-0/raring
[16:48] <wmp> cjwatson: ooo, this work :D
[16:48] <cjwatson> And does that then allow you to install ia32-libs?
[16:49] <wmp> yes
[16:50] <wmp> thanks ;)
[16:50] <cjwatson> Excellent