[00:27] <eskimoe> quick question for anyone, is ubuntu touch specific to tablets and phones?  more so than the 13.04 raring ringtail for nexus 7?  i've been running 13.04 on my nexus without many problems and just wondering if touch is worth looking into.
[00:27] <dank101> Yes
[00:28] <eskimoe> yes worth it or just yes specific to tabs?
[00:30] <eskimoe> does touch still have all the functionality of 13.04 or just a more dumbed down version for phones.  i rather like python and pygame development with gimp on the side on my tablet.
[00:31] <RobbyF> touch doesn't get 13.04 until next week or so
[00:32] <RobbyF> and for now it's a dumb down version.
[00:32] <eskimoe> ah so best to just stick with 13.04 for nexus
[00:32] <RobbyF> well it's the exact same thing really.
[00:33] <eskimoe> i havent seen too much of touch but from what i have it seems like a windows 8 kind of thing
[00:33] <eskimoe> just lacking a 'desktop' feel if theres such a thing for mobile
[00:34] <RobbyF> desktop apps can work on it
[00:35] <eskimoe> still have a terminal or all gui based?
[00:35] <RobbyF> keyword can, they have to be written for it. but lots are.
[00:35] <RobbyF> I havn't installed any gui working ones yet.
[00:35] <RobbyF> it's a pain to launch them until more development
[00:36] <eskimoe> ah i see i know all this is very early in development but just trying to keep up with the latest lol
[00:36] <RobbyF> same here.
[00:36] <RobbyF> I install the images daily for the past few weeks/months
[00:37] <eskimoe> have there been any annoucements for beta 13.04 on nexus?  i seen they announced for desktop already
[00:38] <RobbyF> There was discussion that there will be automatic daily builds for raring in early april
[00:38] <eskimoe> thats not bad
[00:39] <RobbyF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[00:39] <RobbyF> the first paragraph has some info
[00:39] <eskimoe> i love it so far just needs a few more bugs worked out
[00:40] <RobbyF> you've been installing the daily images?
[00:41] <eskimoe> ive kept up pretty good on dailies but i finally came to a fairly stable image and have been waiting for a full on beta release
[00:41] <RobbyF> you use it as a regular device?
[00:42] <eskimoe> i multirom with jellybean 4.2.2 for my android os
[00:43] <eskimoe> as far as using it i do python and pygame programming with gimp for sprite editing and an android app for sound
[00:43] <RobbyF> cool
[00:44] <eskimoe> thats why ive stayed with one image for a while since it works perfect to stream radio and code away mobile
[00:44] <RobbyF> ya I use nexus 4 4.2.2 for my everyday and galaxy nexus for ubuntu
[00:44] <eskimoe> ah nice
[00:45] <eskimoe> the only flaw is the touch controls crashes it more than anything.  bt mouse/keyboard work perfect though
[00:46] <tassadar_> by the way, if you're talking about raring desktop images for nexus 7, you can update it without reinstalling the whole daily image
[00:47] <eskimoe> thats what ive been doing
[00:47] <tassadar_> ah, okay, just sounded like you were downloading the daily images
[00:47] <eskimoe> much more stable as of late
[00:47] <RobbyF> < i reflash daily for galaxy nexus
[00:48] <eskimoe> i have all my stuff setup a quick apt update works perfect
[00:49] <eskimoe> i cant seem to get flash to go tho i have flash player on my droid os but i cant seem to get it on ubuntu
[00:49] <eskimoe> i heard you can recompile from source and dl the droid libs but if its already on here couldnt i somehow use symlinks to get it working?
[00:50] <tassadar_> adobe flash sources are available? Oo
[00:51] <eskimoe> google flash player archive and click the first site
[00:51] <eskimoe> from tars to zips all versions to 11.2xxx
[00:51] <eskimoe> droid specific ones as well
[00:52] <eskimoe> a little glitchy but works well enough to youtube etc and like fb games
[00:57] <eskimoe> has any successfully been able to run blender on phone/tablet besides blenderplayer, the actual program?
[01:07] <dank101> Who else here is a Doctor who fan
[01:07] <eskimoe> never seen it
[01:08] <dank101> :O
[01:08] <dank101> and you use ubuntu
[01:08] <dank101> WATCH IT NOW
[01:08] <eskimoe> haha hows it related to an os?
[01:09] <dank101> comes from Britain
[01:09] <dank101> most ubuntu user
[01:10] <eskimoe> ah state side here friend haha
[01:10] <dank101> most ubuntu users watch it
[01:11] <eskimoe> i see mite have to check that one out
[01:11] <dank101> its on BBC in a few hours
[01:11] <dank101> 17 hours in Britain
[01:12] <eskimoe> -5 gmt here
[01:12] <dank101> same as me, eh?
[01:12] <Hazza> At my local hacker space they built robot dog from doctor who
[01:12] <RobbyF> -5 gmt here
[01:14] <dank101> 8 a clock EST
[01:14] <dank101> same as -5 GMT
[01:14] <tassadar_> 2 AM, still awake, and I blame it on webOS!
[01:14] <eskimoe> 9 here
[01:14] <eskimoe> well -5/-4 depends on dst
[01:14] <dank101> DST
[01:18] <eskimoe> anyone play age of wushu?
[01:32] <dank101> im BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK
[01:32] <dank101> hai
[01:33] <eskimoe> :D
[01:34] <dank101> Yeah
[01:34] <dank101> 9 for you
[01:34] <dank101> #SoWorthIT
[01:34] <eskimoe> ?
[01:35] <dank101> Doctor Whio
[01:35] <eskimoe> ah yeah
[01:35] <eskimoe> im watching the universe haha
[01:49] <moocow1452> Knock Knock...
[01:52] <dank101> whos der
[02:01] <moocow1452> Disgrunteled Porter...
[02:05] <geostude> +i
[02:06] <moocow1452> Anyway, what does the "refs/head/cm10.1" flag reference when importing a git from a Cyanogen project?
[02:06] <dank101> make the repo not explode
[02:06] <dank101> and your computer
[02:06] <dank101> and your mum
[02:06] <dank101> :O
[02:07] <eskimoe> haha
[02:07] <moocow1452> Wouldn't want that.
[02:07] <dank101> Yeah
[02:08] <moocow1452> I'm porting to the Nook Touch, and reffing the Kernel and Device as bn/encore seem to toss an error when looking for it. Would that be something wrong with the repo or my code?
[02:09] <dank101> Nook?
[02:09] <dank101> HARDCORE
[02:10] <moocow1452> It's a tablet and I use it, and it can run 10.1
[02:11] <dank101> ik
[02:11] <moocow1452> FInally, needed to use the NookieDevs  branch, and the head flag...
[02:11] <dank101> Yeah :P
[02:11] <dank101> anyway
[02:11] <moocow1452> Is this what good feels like?
[02:11] <dank101> moocow1452,
[02:11] <dank101> yes
[02:11] <moocow1452> Yay...
[02:13] <dank101> Now get ready for so much work your brain will explode
[02:13] <dank101> JKJKJKJK
[02:48] <zikalify> hi all, I've got UTouch on xoom and some text is garbled (just blocks where letters should be) I was thinking about resetting the install either by reinstalling it or something else, what will happen if i go to recovery and press wipe data, does ubuntu os get deleted then?
[02:49] <eskimoe> just the install the package should still be there tho
[02:49] <eskimoe> either tar.gz. or .zip or whichever
[02:53] <eskimoe> just make sure to always back up everything before doing anything at least what you want to keep
[02:55] <dank101> Get
[02:55] <dank101> some
[02:55] <dank101> older
[02:55] <dank101> grapics
[02:55] <dank101> drivers
[02:55] <dank101> 30r0
[02:56] <dank101> works
[02:59] <eskimoe> is there a way to upgrade the nvidia tegra 3 drivers?  according to my sys info i have unknown drivers etc
[03:01] <dank101> on your port or your comp
[03:01] <dank101> nvm
[03:01] <dank101> it's too risky
[03:04] <eskimoe> on this preinstall desktop image
[03:06] <dank101> it to dangerous to go alone take this
[03:06] <eskimoe> i read something about being able to somehow build from source into the install or your system but im not quite sure on it
[03:07] <eskimoe> via https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
[03:08] <dank101> it's too dangerous
[03:09] <dank101> and no
[03:09] <dank101> android based
[03:09] <eskimoe> ah
[03:10] <dank101> it's CHROOT and android
[03:10] <dank101> it would break it
[03:13] <eskimoe> ah so there is no way to do a full install even running a rom?
[03:14] <dank101> ye
[03:14] <dank101> it would break EVERYTHING
[03:14] <dank101> aslo
[03:14] <dank101> it comes in CM
[03:14] <eskimoe> lol
[03:14] <zikalify> how often are ubuntu touch images released?
[03:15] <eskimoe> theyre all just dev versions atm i believe
[03:15] <eskimoe> nothing officially 'released' yet
[03:16] <zikalify> Ah ok, my xoom is suffering from this atm D: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1157508
[03:17] <eskimoe> it does that on nexus 7 the only way it shows up is in portrait
[03:18] <zikalify> do i have to do anything to get mine to switch to portrait? simply turning the device doesnt do anything :(
[03:18] <dank101> battery pull
[03:18] <dank101> thats the fix
[03:18] <dank101> (no joke)
[03:20] <eskimoe> not sure on 10".. ^^ try that ^^
[03:38] <eskimoe> you could always get a usb/bt keyboard to use that works great also
[03:43] <dank101> not really...
[03:43] <dank101> not implemented
[03:43] <dank101> properly
[03:43] <eskimoe> works not to bad for me at least
[03:43] <zikalify> I don't have a way to plug in a keyboard to my tablet :/ i did leave my wifi open yesterday just to check the wireless worked (it does)
[03:44] <dank101> doesn't have a cursor
[03:45] <zikalify> Apparently this is the reason for the blocky text in the build im running http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38660637#post38660637
[03:45] <eskimoe> also may be slightly different between touch and preinstalled.. didnt think of that
[03:56] <dank101> MAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[03:56] <dank101> BLOOOD
[03:56] <dank101> FOOD
[03:56] <dank101> sorry
[03:57] <eskimoe> food sounds about right
[03:58] <dank101> i kinda like blood taste
[03:58] <dank101> DON'T THROW CROSSES AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[03:59] <dank101> because it doesn't actually work
[03:59] <dank101> mawahahahahahahahaha
[04:06] <dank101> dinner
[04:09] <eskimoe> yes
[04:12] <dzpqzb> ubuntu touch is so demo
[04:12] <dzpqzb> can not send sms
[04:13] <dzpqzb> how long will it take that is able to send sms
[04:15] <eskimoe> once theres a full release i would think at least they should be then haha
[04:24] <zikalify> I think I can do with a late night mini pizza :P
[04:25] <eskimoe> making me some sort of pf changs dinner thing sounds tasty
[04:48] <wfire> good evening everyone
[04:48] <wfire> is there anyone around who would like a curiosity discussion about the tabs qml ubuntu component for ubuntu touch
[04:49] <wfire> it has me at a stand still on my app
[04:59] <dank101> wfire, Ask in a few hours when it everyone is awake
[05:00] <wfire> hehehe I will be asleep
[05:00] <wfire> but thanks anyway
[05:00] <wfire> think I am going to wipe everything out and start over
[05:00] <wfire> nothing seems to be easy with this stuff
[05:00] <wfire> I just keep banging my head against the wall
[05:00] <dank101> what time zone
[05:00] <wfire> USA eastern
[05:00] <wfire> its 1 am right now for me
[05:01] <dank101> i knpw
[05:01] <dank101> i am USA eastern too
[05:01] <wfire> yeah I am falling asleep in my chair right now
[05:01] <dank101> ask abot 6am - 4pm
[05:01] <wfire> too tired to fight it
[05:01] <wfire> thanks dank101 I will come back
[05:01] <dank101> no prob
[05:01] <dank101> :D
[05:09] <dank101> hai
[05:20] <zikalify> 5.20am here
[06:26] <dank101> anyone else here doctor who fans
[07:24] <tzappel-tobi> Hello
[07:24] <tzappel-tobi> @ all
[07:26] <tzappel-tobi> i have installed Ubuntu on my Nexus-4 Phone
[07:27] <tzappel-tobi> i have some issue on the phone and i will be sure that i don't do any mistakes on flashing Ubuntu on my phone
[07:28] <tzappel-tobi> i started to installed quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip on my phone, is that right ??
[07:53] <harish> hi am having a karboon tablet want to install ubuntu touch
[07:53] <harish> any advice
[09:01] <dmj_nova> So I'm still a bit unclear on how to theme some of the core ubuntu qt elements
[09:02] <dmj_nova> how would one modify the theming on the page header?
[09:53] <dank101> Mwa, ha, ha... Humans and there desires! I'm free at last! I bring you destruction... I bring you terror.. I am Czar... Prepare yourselves!
[11:33]  * ogra_ guesses sergiusens isnt around ... looks like we dont have a new image today ...
[12:03] <don-mc-self> Hi @ all
[12:04] <don-mc-self> hi is there a possible way to close the open applications on ubuntu mobile ?? i can't find any button for close
[12:04] <don-mc-self> better i mean the running apps
[12:06] <ogra_> swip from the bottom until you see the looking glass ...
[12:06] <ogra_> then tap on the X that shows up at the bottom
[12:06] <ogra_> *swipe
[12:08] <don-mc-self> thanks for that ogra ..
[12:08] <don-mc-self> it's working
[12:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: always around, let me ask.... there were hardware upgrades going on last night, but I think they shouldn've finished by now (might be wrong), mmrazik might know
[12:14] <ogra_> yeah, as i read it they shouldnt affect the image builders
[12:14] <ogra_> but i cant even reach jenkins atm
[12:14] <ogra_> (though my VPN isnt really solid on the chromebook)
[12:15] <ogra_> as long as it comes back i'm not worried :)
[12:15] <sergiusens> ogra_: unless there were IP changes, and that just makes it _interesting_
[12:15] <ogra_> ugh, hopefully not
[12:16] <ogra_> i didnt plan to actually work this weekend :)
[12:16] <ogra_> (though a one line change in my scripts might be doable ... )
[12:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: don't forget about IS :-/
[12:17] <ogra_> yeah
[12:17] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: martin said jenkins would be out most of today
[12:17] <pmcgowan> back sometime today hopefully, worst case by monday
[12:18] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: thanks, let me send out an email
[12:18] <mmrazik> ogra_: jenkins changed IP address
[12:18] <ogra_> ah, the mail sounded different
[12:18] <ogra_> mmrazik, EEK !
[12:18] <mmrazik> ogra_: see the mail
[12:18] <mmrazik> pmcgowan, sergiusens: I consider jenkins to be up
[12:19] <mmrazik> did some tests, fixed some issues. No issues I'm currently aware of
[12:19] <mmrazik> was about the send an e-mail
[12:20] <sergiusens> mmrazik: thanks, I'll go and see if I can reach IS
[12:20] <mmrazik> sergiusens: I was actually asking about that couple of days ago on IRC
[12:20] <mmrazik> sergiusens: the VMs didn't change their IPs
[12:20] <mmrazik> so I would hope all still works
[12:20] <ogra_> sync script updated
[12:21] <ogra_> should sync at :35
[12:21] <sergiusens> mmrazik: cdimage pulls from jenkins (the webfront)
[12:21] <mmrazik> oh
[12:21] <ogra_> it will now ...
[12:21] <sergiusens> ogra_: check if you can reach it
[12:21] <ogra_> i missed the bit that talked about the IP change in the mail
[12:21] <ogra_> sergiusens, i do
[12:21] <sergiusens> ogra_: just to see if I need to talk to IS
[12:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: so I don't need to go to IS?
[12:22] <ogra_> should be all fine ... you should get sync mail around :40-:45
[12:22] <ogra_> only if that mail doesnt show up :)
[12:22] <ogra_> i could sync manually but i want to be sure the cron job works fine, so lets just wait
[12:23] <ogra_> Ip is updated in the script and i can reach the site in my browser just fine
[12:23] <ogra_> *IP
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: let automation do its thing :-)
[12:23] <ogra_> yep :)
[12:23] <sergiusens> mmrazik: sorry, I missed the IP change in the email too :-/
[12:24] <ogra_> you should have used <blink><red> :) for us blind people
[12:24] <mmrazik> sergiusens: I originally wanted naartjie to be jenkins and have the other stuff moved. But in the end it was more practical to move the jenkins service as it dosn't need as many resources as a virtualization and/or build server
[12:24]  * ogra_ blames his age 
[12:26] <sergiusens> mmrazik: yeah I recall that initial conversation, that might have made my mind slip
[12:27] <mmrazik> so is the cdimage thing a big deal or can we fix easily?
[12:27]  * mmrazik wonders if we need to workaround
[12:27] <sergiusens> mmrazik: it's already fixed
[12:27] <mmrazik> great
[12:27] <sergiusens> mmrazik: read ogra_ 's comment above :-)
[12:28] <ogra_> just waiting for the automation to prove its alright
[12:28] <mmrazik> oh
[12:28] <mmrazik> sergiusens: btw the jenkins startup time is now superb
[12:28] <ogra_> sync starts at :35 and should be finished about 10min later
[12:28] <mmrazik> I start to think we didn't migrate all the jobs (but couldn't find any missing)
[12:28] <ogra_> the image builds are definitely fine
[12:29] <ogra_> i see build 51 in my browser from today
[12:29] <sergiusens> mmrazik: I'm trying to connect to the VPN and figure that out
[12:35] <sergiusens> mmrazik: awesome!
[12:35] <sergiusens> mmrazik: on startup time :-)
[12:36] <sergiusens> mmrazik: so phablet-dput is missing
[12:40] <mmrazik> sergiusens: checking
[12:40] <don-mc-self> Hi, also a new question, is it normal when i try to edit a contact, that at first comes up the Keyboard Layout and later i can save or delete  the contact  or must be at first comes the submenu with delete and safe ???
[12:41] <mmrazik> sergiusens: weird. the job directory is completely missing
[12:41] <mmrazik> let me compare
[12:43] <denz_> does anybody know how to contact canonical via email, e.t.c without leaving your job references?
[12:46] <Guest1538> salve a tutti...ho appena installato ubuntu touch sul mio galaxy nexus e vorrei, se possibile, qualche aiutino
[12:46] <ogra_> denz_, what team/category do you want to contact specifically ?
[12:47] <mmrazik> sergiusens: phablet-dput should be back
[12:47] <Guest1538> c'è qualcuno?
[12:47] <k1l> Guest1538: most chances to get an answer is to ask in english
[12:48] <sergiusens> mmrazik: thanks, its the only noteworthy one I saw... did you just copy over the job dir?
[12:48] <Guest1538> hi i've just installed on my galaxy nexus ubuntu touch
[12:48] <Guest1538> and i need help
[12:48] <Guest1538> someone can help me?
[12:48] <mmrazik> sergiusens: yes. comparing the "jobs/" directories there is one more missing (which is mine). I'm a bit more worried there are ~80 more jobs on psoglav
[12:48] <k1l> Guest1538: what is the problem?
[12:49] <Guest1538> first of all how i can import my contacts?
[12:49] <mmrazik> and it looks like I was deleting a good bunch of those additional jobs recently
[12:49] <ogra_> Guest1538, see the ReleaseNotes wikipage from the channel topic
[12:50] <sergiusens> Guest1538: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[12:50] <Guest1538> i did already, but something didn't work
[12:51] <ogra_> sergiusens, mmrazik.... hmm, looks like IS needs to change the firewall rules for the new IP ... i see wget being stuck on cdimage
[12:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: so it isn't reachable? :-/
[12:52] <ogra_> right, i assume so
[12:52] <ogra_> even a manual wget doesnt work
[12:52] <mmrazik> ogra_, sergiusens: maybe we scp what we need to naartjie once the job has finished?
[12:53] <sergiusens> mmrazik: well the firewall rule is only for IP _and_ port
[12:53] <ogra_> well, currently only the old IP via port 8080 seems to be open
[12:53] <ogra_> so they need to move the rule to the new IP
[12:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: no vanguard today though
[12:53] <ogra_> fun
[12:54] <ogra_> and an RT will also take until mon/tue at least
[12:56] <sergiusens> ogra_: well I'm logging an rt
[12:56] <ogra_> k
[12:56] <sergiusens> ogra_: we can live without a Sat/Sun build...
[12:56] <ogra_> i think so too
[12:57] <sergiusens> ogra_: first vanguard should be avail Sunday evening in the far east
[12:57] <ogra_> ah, yeah, they might not have a oliday on monday
[12:57]  * ogra_ never is sure which countries have which days off around easter
[12:58] <ogra_> we germans are spoiled :) fri and mon .... :)
[12:59] <sergiusens> ogra_: I was supposed to be off from this past Thursday and be back on Wednesday ;-)
[12:59] <ogra_> ahah, enjoy your vacation then :)
[13:19] <don-mc-self>  Hi, also a new question, is it normal when i try to edit a contact, that at first comes up the Keyboard Layout and later i can save or delete  the contact  or must be at first comes the submenu with delete and safe ???
[15:58] <webcommander> How do you import a .csv file to a nexus 4 running ubuntu touch
[17:47] <dank101> get ready
[17:47] <dank101> https://github.com/dankzegriefer/UbuntuTouch-86x
[18:31] <JunDavis> Hi
[18:36] <Tofe> Hello !
[18:44] <Tofe> Is there a lightweight version of the build of the android binaries ? I mean, downloading 15Gb of sources to simply build the lowest layers seems a bit overkill...
[19:35] <Sanjay> Ubuntu touch for micromax devices
[19:35] <Sanjay> Is it available
[19:38] <Sanjay> Is ubuntu touch developer preview available for micromax devices ?
[21:17] <Guest41531> i just installed successfully. where is the keyboard?
[23:19] <desktop> i'm trying to port touch to the HTC Vision/Desire Z/T-Mobile G2, there isn't official support for cm 10.1 on the Vision, however Andromadus provides unofficial support for it, is it still possible for me to port touch to my phone using the files Andromadus provides?
[23:19] <dank101> Yes
[23:20] <dank101> you can even use AOSP
[23:20] <desktop> ahh yeah i knew that... just didn't click lol
[23:20] <desktop> if i do successfully port it, how would i go about making it publically available?
[23:21] <desktop> is it some lengthy complex process, or is it fairly simple/
[23:21] <dank101> simple
[23:21] <dank101> i'm porting to 86x right now
[23:22] <desktop> cool, well i may be able to add the vision to the supported devices list then :P
[23:28] <dank101> :D
[23:33] <desktop> omg phablet takes forever
[23:36] <MBaumi> is there any vid of clock or calendar in action?
[23:36] <MBaumi> *clock or weather
[23:39] <MBaumi> any1 here or all AFK? or sleeping? :D
[23:42] <dank101> afk