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mungbeanneed to fix my wellie boot00:00
mungbeanim mending stuff everywhere atm00:00
ali1234i use milliput for repairing connectors mostly00:00
ali1234or casings00:01
mungbeannow listening to uss enterise warp drives noise00:02
popeyhttp://bruxy.regnet.cz/web/linux/EN/bash-nyan-cat  cute00:02
mungbeanwifey will be pleased00:02
mungbeanyeah, i commented the nyan music first00:03
ali1234i should make teletext version00:03
mungbeani use clementine with nyan on the EQ moodbar thing00:03
ali1234just to get karma00:03
ali1234in fact this may work unmodified00:05
mungbeanthe guy who made nyan cat looks like joey from omg twin bro00:10
mungbeanhttp://popgoestheweek.com/2011/04/pop-profile-the-brains-behind-the-viral-phenomenon-nyan-cat/00:10
mungbeanyoutubing on chrome was making my fan spin, so...00:13
mungbean/usr/bin/play -n -c1 synth whitenoise lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 gain +1400:13
mungbeanno need for the engine hum video now!00:14
ali1234http://hujackus.altervista.org/uploads/ConwayMatrix.swf00:19
mungbeanwhatever happened to novacut?00:21
popeystill under development00:22
mungbeanhavent heard in ages00:22
popeythey post videos and screenshots on G+ now and then00:23
popeyhttps://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/stable?field.series_filter=raring00:23
popeystable release yesterday00:23
mungbeanopenshot already got 18k$00:24
ali1234play synth has type "brownnoise"00:26
ali1234i'm pretty sure that's not a real type of noise00:26
mungbeandont want to click00:26
mungbeanis it a fart?00:26
ali1234apparently it's brownian noise00:29
mungbeanafter watching skyfall i want one of these http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/aircraft/helicopters/a14101-agustawestland-merlin-hc3-148-a14101/00:34
shaunoyou'll never fit in there :/00:36
mungbeanits quite a big kit..00:36
mungbeanhttp://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=409&t=3743000:37
mungbeanso much detail.00:37
alexcockellDoes anyone know of a reliable IRC chanel in use re South Korea?  Sounds like it's all kicking off..00:37
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popeyalexcockell: _south_ korea?00:38
mungbeantwitter?00:40
mungbeanNorth Korea's leader Kim Jong-un has ordered missile units to prepare to strike US mainland as a British tour operator was warned that the "outbreak of war probably only hours away"00:40
alexcockellPopey - yep00:41
popeyfun times00:42
mungbean"fun"00:44
alexcockellNK have declared war on SK and USA.00:44
alexcockellWent to "state of war" a few minutes ago... on BBC and Reuters..00:44
alexcockellhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/30/us-korea-north-war-idUSBRE92T0002013033000:46
mungbeanonly 1 more hour of sitting perfectly still to placate baby. need a drink...cant move00:47
popeyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVie_sWCGig meanwhile is fun00:47
popeyi cant see NK doing anything substantial00:47
popeysounds like political posturing00:47
alexcockellBBC4 airing Disco at the BBC...00:48
mungbeanwhy are you all still awake?00:52
popeythink i might make home made pizza with the kids tomorrow00:53
mungbeanmade playdough yesterday \o/00:53
popeyheh, wifey used to do that00:56
ali1234i'm making annoying noises with play00:58
mungbeanlol sorry bout that00:59
alexcockellMungbean - Always up late on BBC4 - their music programming and all that...00:59
mungbeani spent ages 8-16 making annoying noises on my home vomputers00:59
mungbeanargh typing with 1 finger00:59
mungbeanhmm theres 4 pages missing from the middle of this book. this is why i stoppfd going to library. snd the fact that they never have books u need, and they are sticky..01:02
ali1234lol01:12
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popeymorning07:52
kvarleypopey: \007:52
kvarleypopey: oh btw, re: my questions the other day - my nexus 10 dispatched \0/07:53
popeyhuzzah07:54
SuperMattanyone's software updater getting stuck here? Preparing to replace linux-image-3.8.0-15-generic 3.8.0-15.25 (using .../linux-image-3.8.0-15-generic_3.8.0-15.25_amd64.deb) ...08:06
popeyyes08:09
popeyknown bug08:10
popeykill it then do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then "sudo apt-get -f install"08:10
SuperMattkhaaaan!08:10
SuperMattthanks :)08:11
SuperMattit worked \o/08:17
popeyof course ☺08:20
SuperMatt... yes08:20
MooDoo_hello all08:48
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MooDoohow is everyone today?08:51
popeyhttp://imgur.com/gallery/UFx8IzG like that09:13
kvarleyhehe09:14
MooDoolol :) shame I'm at work lol09:15
kvarleyIs it possible for me to send a link to somebody via email so when they click it, it will open a folder on their computer?09:56
mh0not seen that done before09:57
kvarleyI think file:///home/user/ may work09:57
kvarleyOnly issue is that it's likely to open in their browser, not file manager09:58
mh0it'd open it in the web browser, but sure09:58
mh0yeah, i assumed you wanted it in file manager09:58
kvarleyideally I would09:58
kvarleyNo idea how that would work tho09:58
kvarleyThere are apt urls tho09:58
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:54
MooDoohello brobostigon10:54
brobostigonhello MooDoo10:55
brobostigon18:15, bbc1, new Dr Who.10:58
MooDoobrobostigon: i'm ready for it, hopefully I'll get home from work in time :D11:00
brobostigon:)11:01
brobostigonor it will be, iplayer to the rescue,11:01
MooDoolol sky+ :)11:02
brobostigonthat works. :)11:02
kvarleyIs there a way to get apt-get dump to only dump package names, not descriptions and dependencies, etc ?11:10
BigRedSapt-get dump? I've never come across that11:13
MartijnVdSkvarley: what do you want to accomplish11:14
MooDoowon't something like this work?  Although never tried it dpkg --get-selections > installed-software11:15
kvarleyBigRedS: Dumps the package lists11:15
kvarleyMooDoo: I want to get packages I haven't installed :)11:15
kvarleyMartijnVdS: I want to output a list of all the packages in the repositories11:16
kvarleyMartijnVdS: Just the package names, no other info11:16
kvarleyAt the moment I'm using apt-get dump and regex11:16
MartijnVdSkvarley: why do you want to do that?11:16
MartijnVdS!xyproblem11:17
MooDoowwo that'll be a big list11:17
MartijnVdS!xy11:17
lubotu3The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned.11:17
kvarleyMartijnVdS: To replicate the package databases for use in another project11:18
MooDookvarley: try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/23045/how-to-list-currently-not-installed-packages11:19
kvarleyMooDoo: Thanks :)11:19
kvarleyWhat's the deal with using commands listed on AskUbuntu in projects? Are they licensed?11:21
MooDooyou can't license a command if it's available in the is11:22
MooDooos11:22
kvarleyMooDoo: I mean, if I take the command listed on that askubuntu page and use it in a project. What do I have  to do? Attribution?11:22
kvarleyAh11:23
kvarleyAttribution require11:23
MooDooI would of said nothing, if the command they are using is available any way, then you don't need to do anything11:23
MooDookvarley: you could of figured out the command yourself any way11:23
kvarleyI'll include attribution all the same, can't hurt11:23
MooDoook11:24
kvarleyThanks MooDoo11:24
MooDooyw!11:24
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MooDooIt's oh so quiet shhhhhh shhhhhh14:01
kvarleyWhat do you think about the OpenShot kickstarter?14:05
MooDoonot seen it14:07
SavageWolfUh, anyone know what the channel for getting help about Ubuntu 13.04 is, or where there is a list of Ubuntu based channels?14:09
MooDooisn't #ubuntu one?14:10
SavageWolfI'd assume there'd be a separate one for alpha/beta releases.14:11
MooDoohttp://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/chat14:11
SavageWolfHave they actually decided what to do with 13.04 yet, anyway?14:11
MooDooSavageWolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList14:11
SavageWolfAh, #ubuntu+1, it seems.14:13
MooDoo:)14:16
MooDoowow did I really create my launchpad account in 2006?  blimey14:31
* SuperEngineer plans evening... Dr. Who - followed by [turn off lights & plug in headphones] Amnesia, The Dark Descent14:32
SuperEngineer[aka "The Dark Descent" .... into madness!]14:33
popeynot played that yet14:35
popeymight give it a go14:35
SuperEngineerit's cheap on steam at the moment.... tried it last night - verdict: it's good14:36
MooDooI just downloaded a game on steam, seems strange running it on ubuntu :)14:36
SavageWolfI keep buying games that work only on Windows, but can never be bothered restarting to run them.14:37
SavageWolf Or firing up POL, or anything like that.14:37
MooDooSavageWolf: does the new bioshock work in ubuntu?14:41
SavageWolfI don't play Bioshock, so I'm not sure.14:41
SuperEngineerMooDoo: if you have Steam - it will tell you in the games description14:42
SuperEngineerin the system reuirements section14:42
SuperEngineer*requirements14:43
MooDooSuperEngineer: ok thanks :D14:44
popey\o/14:57
* popey is making pizza dough, flapjack and home made butter with the kids14:57
MartijnVdSpopey: and then tonight.. The Doctor!14:58
SavageWolfOh, is Doctor Who on tonight?14:59
MartijnVdSnew series starts tonight14:59
SuperEngineerSavageWolf: I think you can safely assume.... YEES14:59
SuperEngineer[& hi MartijnVdS]15:00
MartijnVdS\o SuperEngineer15:00
SavageWolfOoh, I did not know the dates and such. I should set the recorder thing for it.15:00
* MartijnVdS has a proper (tiny tiny) photo studio now15:00
MartijnVdSwith light boxes and everything15:00
* SuperEngineer hunts for a "tiny tiny" to send MartijnVdS to photograph ;)15:02
SuperEngineerSavageWolf: BBC1, 18.1515:03
MooDooMartijnVdS: photo studio?15:06
MooDooMartijnVdS: I just purchased a lastolite backdrop :)15:07
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MartijnVdSMooDoo: I just purchased 2 "box" flashes :)15:19
MartijnVdSgoing to spend tonight taking pics of my brothers' new beer bottles :)15:20
MooDooMartijnVdS: It's my birthday in april i'm hoping to get a westcott softbox for my speedlight :D15:21
MartijnVdSDear Unity15:35
MartijnVdSWhy don't you auto-raise when I configure you to auto-raise?15:35
MartijnVdSalso, why do you reset that setting every time I log in?15:35
SavageWolfDear Nautilus 3.6: I hate you.15:43
brobostigonany suggestions for a html gui for monitoring hostapd ?16:25
MooDoowill nagios do it?16:25
brobostigongood question, but i was initally thinking of something simpler.16:26
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daubersAfternoon17:03
MooDoohowdy daubers17:07
* daubers waits for things to upload to github18:01
DJonesYay, David Tennant & Billie Piper to return to Dr Who for the 50th anniversary special18:10
brobostigon:)18:11
SuperEngineerDW-6018:14
SuperEngineerIt's Dr. Who time right now folks18:14
* popey goes offline till he's watched it18:15
brobostigon:)18:16
* AlanBell needs to change wifi SSID18:18
brobostigonlol18:19
darrell09thomasanyway i can make ubuntu 12.10 look like ubuntu 10.04 anyone help18:47
AlanBelldarrell09thomas: in what way?18:49
darrell09thomaslayout and theme18:49
AlanBelloh, you probably want gnome panel then18:50
AlanBell!notunity18:51
lubotu3Ubuntu 11.10 and higher use the !Unity desktop environment by default.  To use GNOME Shell instead, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool".  For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place entries in the Sessions dropdown.18:51
AlanBellgnome shell is pretty cool18:51
darrell09thomasinstalled gnome panel still the same unless im doing some thing wrong18:51
AlanBellyou have to choose it in the lightdm login screen18:51
darrell09thomasok thanks18:51
AlanBellunity works OK too if you get used to it18:52
darrell09thomashow do i get lightdm login screen up18:53
AlanBelllog out ;)18:53
darrell09thomasstill cant change layout and theme after installing gnome19:00
darrell09thomasive got ubuntu 12.01 installed and want to change the layout and theme to the way ubuntu 10.04 lokks and runs19:01
AlanBelldid you choose gnome fallback on the login screen?19:01
AlanBellgnome classic I think19:01
darrell09thomasthere aint no option to change gnome fallback19:01
AlanBellwhat do you have in the session chooser thing?19:02
darrell09thomasnothing just my login name and password or remote login or guess login19:02
MartijnVdSDoctor Who++19:03
darrell09thomastheres no session chooser19:03
brobostigonMartijnVdS: nice chamber redesign, :)19:03
AlanBelldarrell09thomas: ubuntu logo next to your name on the lightdm screen19:04
AlanBellit is a clickable button19:04
DJonesUgh, I like chocolate and chilli, but not together http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-2198106319:05
darrell09thomasno ubuntu logo on login session19:05
AlanBellmight be a cog thing on 12.10, if you are in the password box and hit tab it should move focus to it19:06
darrell09thomasill try again be back in 2 mins cant i do the login screen change from 12.10 like you could in ubuntu 10.04 in settings administator then login screen this ubuntu 12.10 nothing like ubuntu 10.0419:06
AlanBellhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/81161/how-to-remove-session-entries-from-lightdm19:07
AlanBellyeah, unity is quite different from 2 panel gnome19:08
AlanBellonce you choose your desktop environment it should remember it19:08
darrell09thomasright changed the login screen to gnome classic logged in and all i got on the top panel isapplications places thats it no setting and that ]#19:09
AlanBellyeah, it isn't as configurable as the old gnome panel was19:10
AlanBellit is getting better though, but all the effort is going into unity and gnome-shell19:11
darrell09thomasthanks AlanBell for your help cheers m819:12
AlanBellif you lock the screen in a guest session how do you unlock it?19:20
DJones!bug 106371119:21
lubotu3bug 1022858 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1063711 Guest session asks for password when switch back to it" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102285819:21
AlanBellhuh19:22
AlanBellso suspend/resume from a guest session is broken19:22
AlanBellwhich is what I actually did19:22
DJonesLooks like a 9 month old big though19:22
DJoness/big/bug/19:22
AlanBellBug 95100019:24
lubotu3bug 951000 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "disable guest session screen lock using gsettings" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95100019:24
AlanBellwell that is completely broken then isn't it19:26
popeyevening all19:28
MartijnVdS\o19:28
MartijnVdSpopey: not watching The Voice then? :)19:28
popeyMartijnVdS: i have a child-unit leaning up against me watching it19:34
brobostigonwill normalish shops be open tmrw afternoon. ?19:43
popeyno19:44
brobostigonok. thank you popey19:44
brobostigonhow about monday?19:44
popeyyes19:44
brobostigongood.19:44
brobostigonpubs will be open tmrw  though?19:45
popeyno idea19:48
brobostigonok.19:50
bigcalmGood evening peeps :)20:28
brobostigonevening bigcalm :)20:28
bigcalmAlanBell: ping20:30
bigcalmHi brobostigon20:30
popeyyo20:33
bigcalmHowdy popey20:33
AlanBellevening bigcalm20:34
bigcalmHow does one organise an ubuntu-uk event around here?20:34
bigcalmAha :)20:34
* AlanBell has been putting up bookshelves20:34
* AlanBell wonders if they will stay up when books get put on them20:35
bigcalmAlanBell: how stereotypically mannish20:35
AlanBellyeah, got my man badge20:35
AlanBelland bought a new drill for the occasion too20:35
* bigcalm feels an impromptu #ubuntu-uk-meeting might be in order20:35
AlanBellpower tools \o/20:35
bigcalmHaha, more power!20:36
AlanBellso, events, what did you have in mind?20:36
AlanBellwe do need to talk about the 13.04 launch, such as it is20:36
bigcalmAlanBell: did you see my tweet from earlier today?20:37
popeyRAT \o/20:38
Laneyin me kitchen20:38
bigcalmAlanBell: it happens that I'm getting married later this year. You might have heard. And people tend to have a wee party for such things before the event. I thought a good place to have one would be on the RAT. Then I thought, why not make it into an ubuntu-uk outing?20:39
popeyThis sounds like an excellent plan.20:40
bigcalmLooking at the 2 dates in September20:40
bigcalmpopey: glad you agree :)20:40
popey#action bigcalm do everything20:40
popey#endmeeting20:40
bigcalmHa!20:40
bigcalmIs it normal to organise ones own stag do?20:41
popeyi had 320:41
bigcalmo.O20:41
AlanBellexcellent idea20:42
bigcalmLink for lazies: http://www.watercressline.co.uk/product.php/10/real-ale-train-r-a-t/cf8160dadf2141514c9ecaf9824d3aca20:42
AlanBell14th or 21st20:43
bigcalmWould be good to pick a date that more people can attend20:43
bigcalmYep20:43
AlanBell21st would probably be best for me and theopensourcerer20:44
bigcalmOctober 5th at a pinch, but I need to then save pennies for the honeymoon in October (we're off to Belgium for a week)20:44
AlanBellhe has two offspring birthdays in september20:45
AlanBellmust be something about new year20:45
bigcalm:D20:45
bigcalmpopey: when is good for you?20:46
popeyhmm20:46
bigcalmDave2: RAT?20:46
* popey shrugs, 14 & 21st are both empty20:46
Dave2dunno20:50
Dave2not sure if I'm doing anything in Ocrober20:50
Dave2er20:51
Dave2October20:51
Dave2or is this the September one20:51
Dave2I don't currently have anything in my calendar for then20:51
Dave2however I'm just leaving to go to the pub20:52
bigcalmDave2: looks to be 21st September. Think about it20:52
bigcalmczajkowski: you should come join us on the RAT this year (and not be ill). Bring Jon!20:54
bigcalmWhom else? A couple of Bryns maybe20:55
bigcalmI think christel will be busy around that time :S20:55
popeysee if aq is around?20:57
bigcalmAnd Adam Sweet20:57
* bigcalm likes these spur of the moment beer arrangements. Only 6 months in advance21:03
AlanBellall the books are on the shelves and none have fallen down \o/21:20
bigcalmWell done that man21:20
AlanBell2 small shelves to put up in the kitchen still21:21
popeyNeat: http://imgur.com/gallery/apQd521:22
bigcalmFunky:21:23
AlanBellvery nice21:24
bigcalmAle all gone :(21:24
brobostigon:(21:25
bigcalmOnly wine left in the house now21:25
bigcalmLe sigh21:25
brobostigonsame as here.21:25
bigcalmOop. I'm being told to get off the puta and go watch On Her Maj's Secret Service with my better half21:27
brobostigonlol, woops.21:28
bigcalmToodles :)21:29
bigcalmAlanBell: would be grateful if you could create an event for 21st September :)21:30
AlanBellsure21:30
bigcalmCheers :)21:30
AlanBellhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/21:37
mungbeanremember the clocks tonight boys21:38
brobostigontmrw night.21:38
mungbeanwhat day is today>21:38
mungbeansatday21:38
popeytonight21:39
mungbeanhence put them forward now21:39
brobostigonBST starts tmrw, ah, ok, brain burp. good point.21:39
mungbeanmy shift ends 1.30, which is really 2.30, then the boy will wake at 7.30-8am :(21:40
mungbeanthat girl on itv looks like an alien21:42
mungbeanhead on a stick21:42
* brobostigon is watching QI. :)21:42
mungbeananyone else have these problems on unity? http://ubuntuone.com/3froHmRtrGfH7dgWq1Wb1p21:48
mungbeantwo nautilus icons - only one has the windows21:49
mungbeanand 2) launch picasa, get the wine icon and you can't interact with the picasa icon21:49
popeywhat release of ubuntu is that?21:52
popeyyou probably have some duplication in desktop files in /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications21:53
popeyor its a bug in bamf21:53
mungbean120421:53
mungbeanthe nautilus icons actually are different21:54
mungbeangonna just remove it from launcher and see what happebs21:55
popeyyeah, remove both, start nautilus and then lock it to the launcher again21:56
ali1234i had problems like that constantly when i used unity22:00
popeyi thought we'd fixed most of those22:02
ali1234like i keep telling you22:02
ali1234you can never fix it22:02
popeyi know we SRU'd some updates to bamf in 12.04 some time back to fix this stuff22:02
popeyhence "most"22:02
ali1234there will always be another app new that you don't special case yet22:02
popeynauilus and wine are hardly new apps22:03
popeyand are well known22:03
ali1234wine isn't an app22:03
popeyYKWIM22:03
ali1234it's a runtime for multiple different apps, all of which need to be special cased22:03
ali1234the same with java22:03
mungbeandocky never had this problem22:06
ali1234i've seen this happen in OS X22:06
mungbeantrying some one handed gimping , its quite hard22:11
ali1234wat22:15
popeybaby in hand I imagine22:15
popeyI used to do one handed ircing with sam in hand years ago22:16
* popey goes round changing clocks22:16
daubersis it that time already?22:16
czajkowskihmm when is the RAT ?22:18
czajkowskibigcalm: popey ^^22:23
AlanBellczajkowski: 21st september22:41
czajkowskicool22:46
czajkowskiwill poke when I'm back later in the week to Jon and see if he's up for it22:46
mungbeanali1234: fruits of my gimping: http://ubuntuone.com/6fCKDiQDywLRAnOEttzO2v22:59
ali1234oh noes engine failure23:11
mungbeanpilot failure too as there's no pilot on that model23:13
ali1234pilot got out to restart the engine?23:13
mungbeanthe kit contained no pilot :(23:14
mungbeanits a tiny little thing irl23:14
ali1234if you have engine failure in one of those can you restart it by autorotation or are you basically screwed?23:14
mungbeanhmm i was watching a programme about it last year23:15
mungbeanmost issues were normally fire. and they didn't wear parachutes because it encouraged them to bale23:15
mungbeanmaybe i should add some smoke coming out23:16
ali1234http://www.flickr.com/photos/34076827@N00/458771936423:19
mungbeanwowza23:21
mungbeanthey've shuffled some planes around at the raf museum, hence i must pay a visit again23:28
mungbeanone of my favourite places23:28

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