[00:00] <mungbean> need to fix my wellie boot
[00:00] <mungbean> im mending stuff everywhere atm
[00:00] <ali1234> i use milliput for repairing connectors mostly
[00:01] <ali1234> or casings
[00:02] <mungbean> now listening to uss enterise warp drives noise
[00:02] <popey> http://bruxy.regnet.cz/web/linux/EN/bash-nyan-cat  cute
[00:02] <mungbean> wifey will be pleased
[00:03] <mungbean> yeah, i commented the nyan music first
[00:03] <ali1234> i should make teletext version
[00:03] <mungbean> i use clementine with nyan on the EQ moodbar thing
[00:03] <ali1234> just to get karma
[00:05] <ali1234> in fact this may work unmodified
[00:10] <mungbean> the guy who made nyan cat looks like joey from omg twin bro
[00:10] <mungbean> http://popgoestheweek.com/2011/04/pop-profile-the-brains-behind-the-viral-phenomenon-nyan-cat/
[00:13] <mungbean> youtubing on chrome was making my fan spin, so...
[00:13] <mungbean> /usr/bin/play -n -c1 synth whitenoise lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 gain +14
[00:14] <mungbean> no need for the engine hum video now!
[00:19] <ali1234> http://hujackus.altervista.org/uploads/ConwayMatrix.swf
[00:21] <mungbean> whatever happened to novacut?
[00:22] <popey> still under development
[00:22] <mungbean> havent heard in ages
[00:23] <popey> they post videos and screenshots on G+ now and then
[00:23] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~novacut/+archive/stable?field.series_filter=raring
[00:23] <popey> stable release yesterday
[00:24] <mungbean> openshot already got 18k$
[00:26] <ali1234> play synth has type "brownnoise"
[00:26] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure that's not a real type of noise
[00:26] <mungbean> dont want to click
[00:26] <mungbean> is it a fart?
[00:29] <ali1234> apparently it's brownian noise
[00:34] <mungbean> after watching skyfall i want one of these http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/aircraft/helicopters/a14101-agustawestland-merlin-hc3-148-a14101/
[00:36] <shauno> you'll never fit in there :/
[00:36] <mungbean> its quite a big kit..
[00:37] <mungbean> http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=409&t=37430
[00:37] <mungbean> so much detail.
[00:37] <alexcockell> Does anyone know of a reliable IRC chanel in use re South Korea?  Sounds like it's all kicking off..
[00:38] <popey> alexcockell: _south_ korea?
[00:40] <mungbean> twitter?
[00:40] <mungbean> North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un has ordered missile units to prepare to strike US mainland as a British tour operator was warned that the "outbreak of war probably only hours away"
[00:41] <alexcockell> Popey - yep
[00:42] <popey> fun times
[00:44] <mungbean> "fun"
[00:44] <alexcockell> NK have declared war on SK and USA.
[00:44] <alexcockell> Went to "state of war" a few minutes ago... on BBC and Reuters..
[00:46] <alexcockell> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/30/us-korea-north-war-idUSBRE92T00020130330
[00:47] <mungbean> only 1 more hour of sitting perfectly still to placate baby. need a drink...cant move
[00:47] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVie_sWCGig meanwhile is fun
[00:47] <popey> i cant see NK doing anything substantial
[00:47] <popey> sounds like political posturing
[00:48] <alexcockell> BBC4 airing Disco at the BBC...
[00:52] <mungbean> why are you all still awake?
[00:53] <popey> think i might make home made pizza with the kids tomorrow
[00:53] <mungbean> made playdough yesterday \o/
[00:56] <popey> heh, wifey used to do that
[00:58] <ali1234> i'm making annoying noises with play
[00:59] <mungbean> lol sorry bout that
[00:59] <alexcockell> Mungbean - Always up late on BBC4 - their music programming and all that...
[00:59] <mungbean> i spent ages 8-16 making annoying noises on my home vomputers
[00:59] <mungbean> argh typing with 1 finger
[01:02] <mungbean> hmm theres 4 pages missing from the middle of this book. this is why i stoppfd going to library. snd the fact that they never have books u need, and they are sticky..
[01:12] <ali1234> lol
[07:52] <popey> morning
[07:52] <kvarley> popey: \0
[07:53] <kvarley> popey: oh btw, re: my questions the other day - my nexus 10 dispatched \0/
[07:54] <popey> huzzah
[08:06] <SuperMatt> anyone's software updater getting stuck here? Preparing to replace linux-image-3.8.0-15-generic 3.8.0-15.25 (using .../linux-image-3.8.0-15-generic_3.8.0-15.25_amd64.deb) ...
[08:09] <popey> yes
[08:10] <popey> known bug
[08:10] <popey> kill it then do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then "sudo apt-get -f install"
[08:10] <SuperMatt> khaaaan!
[08:11] <SuperMatt> thanks :)
[08:17] <SuperMatt> it worked \o/
[08:20] <popey> of course ☺
[08:20] <SuperMatt> ... yes
[08:48] <MooDoo_> hello all
[08:51] <MooDoo> how is everyone today?
[09:13] <popey> http://imgur.com/gallery/UFx8IzG like that
[09:14] <kvarley> hehe
[09:15] <MooDoo> lol :) shame I'm at work lol
[09:56] <kvarley> Is it possible for me to send a link to somebody via email so when they click it, it will open a folder on their computer?
[09:57] <mh0> not seen that done before
[09:57] <kvarley> I think file:///home/user/ may work
[09:58] <kvarley> Only issue is that it's likely to open in their browser, not file manager
[09:58] <mh0> it'd open it in the web browser, but sure
[09:58] <mh0> yeah, i assumed you wanted it in file manager
[09:58] <kvarley> ideally I would
[09:58] <kvarley> No idea how that would work tho
[09:58] <kvarley> There are apt urls tho
[10:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:54] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon
[10:55] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo
[10:58] <brobostigon> 18:15, bbc1, new Dr Who.
[11:00] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm ready for it, hopefully I'll get home from work in time :D
[11:01] <brobostigon> :)
[11:01] <brobostigon> or it will be, iplayer to the rescue,
[11:02] <MooDoo> lol sky+ :)
[11:02] <brobostigon> that works. :)
[11:10] <kvarley> Is there a way to get apt-get dump to only dump package names, not descriptions and dependencies, etc ?
[11:13] <BigRedS> apt-get dump? I've never come across that
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: what do you want to accomplish
[11:15] <MooDoo> won't something like this work?  Although never tried it dpkg --get-selections > installed-software
[11:15] <kvarley> BigRedS: Dumps the package lists
[11:15] <kvarley> MooDoo: I want to get packages I haven't installed :)
[11:16] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I want to output a list of all the packages in the repositories
[11:16] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Just the package names, no other info
[11:16] <kvarley> At the moment I'm using apt-get dump and regex
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: why do you want to do that?
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> !xyproblem
[11:17] <MooDoo> wwo that'll be a big list
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> !xy
[11:18] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: To replicate the package databases for use in another project
[11:19] <MooDoo> kvarley: try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/23045/how-to-list-currently-not-installed-packages
[11:19] <kvarley> MooDoo: Thanks :)
[11:21] <kvarley> What's the deal with using commands listed on AskUbuntu in projects? Are they licensed?
[11:22] <MooDoo> you can't license a command if it's available in the is
[11:22] <MooDoo> os
[11:22] <kvarley> MooDoo: I mean, if I take the command listed on that askubuntu page and use it in a project. What do I have  to do? Attribution?
[11:23] <kvarley> Ah
[11:23] <kvarley> Attribution require
[11:23] <MooDoo> I would of said nothing, if the command they are using is available any way, then you don't need to do anything
[11:23] <MooDoo> kvarley: you could of figured out the command yourself any way
[11:23] <kvarley> I'll include attribution all the same, can't hurt
[11:24] <MooDoo> ok
[11:24] <kvarley> Thanks MooDoo
[11:24] <MooDoo> yw!
[14:01] <MooDoo> It's oh so quiet shhhhhh shhhhhh
[14:05] <kvarley> What do you think about the OpenShot kickstarter?
[14:07] <MooDoo> not seen it
[14:09] <SavageWolf> Uh, anyone know what the channel for getting help about Ubuntu 13.04 is, or where there is a list of Ubuntu based channels?
[14:10] <MooDoo> isn't #ubuntu one?
[14:11] <SavageWolf> I'd assume there'd be a separate one for alpha/beta releases.
[14:11] <MooDoo> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/chat
[14:11] <SavageWolf> Have they actually decided what to do with 13.04 yet, anyway?
[14:11] <MooDoo> SavageWolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[14:13] <SavageWolf> Ah, #ubuntu+1, it seems.
[14:16] <MooDoo> :)
[14:31] <MooDoo> wow did I really create my launchpad account in 2006?  blimey
[14:32]  * SuperEngineer plans evening... Dr. Who - followed by [turn off lights & plug in headphones] Amnesia, The Dark Descent
[14:33] <SuperEngineer> [aka "The Dark Descent" .... into madness!]
[14:35] <popey> not played that yet
[14:35] <popey> might give it a go
[14:36] <SuperEngineer> it's cheap on steam at the moment.... tried it last night - verdict: it's good
[14:36] <MooDoo> I just downloaded a game on steam, seems strange running it on ubuntu :)
[14:37] <SavageWolf> I keep buying games that work only on Windows, but can never be bothered restarting to run them.
[14:37] <SavageWolf>  Or firing up POL, or anything like that.
[14:41] <MooDoo> SavageWolf: does the new bioshock work in ubuntu?
[14:41] <SavageWolf> I don't play Bioshock, so I'm not sure.
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> MooDoo: if you have Steam - it will tell you in the games description
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> in the system reuirements section
[14:43] <SuperEngineer> *requirements
[14:44] <MooDoo> SuperEngineer: ok thanks :D
[14:57] <popey> \o/
[14:57]  * popey is making pizza dough, flapjack and home made butter with the kids
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: and then tonight.. The Doctor!
[14:59] <SavageWolf> Oh, is Doctor Who on tonight?
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> new series starts tonight
[14:59] <SuperEngineer> SavageWolf: I think you can safely assume.... YEES
[15:00] <SuperEngineer> [& hi MartijnVdS]
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> \o SuperEngineer
[15:00] <SavageWolf> Ooh, I did not know the dates and such. I should set the recorder thing for it.
[15:00]  * MartijnVdS has a proper (tiny tiny) photo studio now
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> with light boxes and everything
[15:02]  * SuperEngineer hunts for a "tiny tiny" to send MartijnVdS to photograph ;)
[15:03] <SuperEngineer> SavageWolf: BBC1, 18.15
[15:06] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: photo studio?
[15:07] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I just purchased a lastolite backdrop :)
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I just purchased 2 "box" flashes :)
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> going to spend tonight taking pics of my brothers' new beer bottles :)
[15:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: It's my birthday in april i'm hoping to get a westcott softbox for my speedlight :D
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> Dear Unity
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> Why don't you auto-raise when I configure you to auto-raise?
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> also, why do you reset that setting every time I log in?
[15:43] <SavageWolf> Dear Nautilus 3.6: I hate you.
[16:25] <brobostigon> any suggestions for a html gui for monitoring hostapd ?
[16:25] <MooDoo> will nagios do it?
[16:26] <brobostigon> good question, but i was initally thinking of something simpler.
[17:03] <daubers> Afternoon
[17:07] <MooDoo> howdy daubers
[18:01]  * daubers waits for things to upload to github
[18:10] <DJones> Yay, David Tennant & Billie Piper to return to Dr Who for the 50th anniversary special
[18:11] <brobostigon> :)
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> DW-60
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> It's Dr. Who time right now folks
[18:15]  * popey goes offline till he's watched it
[18:16] <brobostigon> :)
[18:18]  * AlanBell needs to change wifi SSID
[18:19] <brobostigon> lol
[18:47] <darrell09thomas> anyway i can make ubuntu 12.10 look like ubuntu 10.04 anyone help
[18:49] <AlanBell> darrell09thomas: in what way?
[18:49] <darrell09thomas> layout and theme
[18:50] <AlanBell> oh, you probably want gnome panel then
[18:51] <AlanBell> !notunity
[18:51] <AlanBell> gnome shell is pretty cool
[18:51] <darrell09thomas> installed gnome panel still the same unless im doing some thing wrong
[18:51] <AlanBell> you have to choose it in the lightdm login screen
[18:51] <darrell09thomas> ok thanks
[18:52] <AlanBell> unity works OK too if you get used to it
[18:53] <darrell09thomas> how do i get lightdm login screen up
[18:53] <AlanBell> log out ;)
[19:00] <darrell09thomas> still cant change layout and theme after installing gnome
[19:01] <darrell09thomas> ive got ubuntu 12.01 installed and want to change the layout and theme to the way ubuntu 10.04 lokks and runs
[19:01] <AlanBell> did you choose gnome fallback on the login screen?
[19:01] <AlanBell> gnome classic I think
[19:01] <darrell09thomas> there aint no option to change gnome fallback
[19:02] <AlanBell> what do you have in the session chooser thing?
[19:02] <darrell09thomas> nothing just my login name and password or remote login or guess login
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who++
[19:03] <darrell09thomas> theres no session chooser
[19:03] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: nice chamber redesign, :)
[19:04] <AlanBell> darrell09thomas: ubuntu logo next to your name on the lightdm screen
[19:04] <AlanBell> it is a clickable button
[19:05] <DJones> Ugh, I like chocolate and chilli, but not together http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-21981063
[19:05] <darrell09thomas> no ubuntu logo on login session
[19:06] <AlanBell> might be a cog thing on 12.10, if you are in the password box and hit tab it should move focus to it
[19:06] <darrell09thomas> ill try again be back in 2 mins cant i do the login screen change from 12.10 like you could in ubuntu 10.04 in settings administator then login screen this ubuntu 12.10 nothing like ubuntu 10.04
[19:07] <AlanBell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/81161/how-to-remove-session-entries-from-lightdm
[19:08] <AlanBell> yeah, unity is quite different from 2 panel gnome
[19:08] <AlanBell> once you choose your desktop environment it should remember it
[19:09] <darrell09thomas> right changed the login screen to gnome classic logged in and all i got on the top panel isapplications places thats it no setting and that ]#
[19:10] <AlanBell> yeah, it isn't as configurable as the old gnome panel was
[19:11] <AlanBell> it is getting better though, but all the effort is going into unity and gnome-shell
[19:12] <darrell09thomas> thanks AlanBell for your help cheers m8
[19:20] <AlanBell> if you lock the screen in a guest session how do you unlock it?
[19:21] <DJones> !bug 1063711
[19:22] <AlanBell> huh
[19:22] <AlanBell> so suspend/resume from a guest session is broken
[19:22] <AlanBell> which is what I actually did
[19:22] <DJones> Looks like a 9 month old big though
[19:22] <DJones> s/big/bug/
[19:24] <AlanBell> Bug 951000
[19:26] <AlanBell> well that is completely broken then isn't it
[19:28] <popey> evening all
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> popey: not watching The Voice then? :)
[19:34] <popey> MartijnVdS: i have a child-unit leaning up against me watching it
[19:43] <brobostigon> will normalish shops be open tmrw afternoon. ?
[19:44] <popey> no
[19:44] <brobostigon> ok. thank you popey
[19:44] <brobostigon> how about monday?
[19:44] <popey> yes
[19:44] <brobostigon> good.
[19:45] <brobostigon> pubs will be open tmrw  though?
[19:48] <popey> no idea
[19:50] <brobostigon> ok.
[20:28] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:28] <brobostigon> evening bigcalm :)
[20:30] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ping
[20:30] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[20:33] <popey> yo
[20:33] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[20:34] <AlanBell> evening bigcalm
[20:34] <bigcalm> How does one organise an ubuntu-uk event around here?
[20:34] <bigcalm> Aha :)
[20:34]  * AlanBell has been putting up bookshelves
[20:35]  * AlanBell wonders if they will stay up when books get put on them
[20:35] <bigcalm> AlanBell: how stereotypically mannish
[20:35] <AlanBell> yeah, got my man badge
[20:35] <AlanBell> and bought a new drill for the occasion too
[20:35]  * bigcalm feels an impromptu #ubuntu-uk-meeting might be in order
[20:35] <AlanBell> power tools \o/
[20:36] <bigcalm> Haha, more power!
[20:36] <AlanBell> so, events, what did you have in mind?
[20:36] <AlanBell> we do need to talk about the 13.04 launch, such as it is
[20:37] <bigcalm> AlanBell: did you see my tweet from earlier today?
[20:38] <popey> RAT \o/
[20:38] <Laney> in me kitchen
[20:39] <bigcalm> AlanBell: it happens that I'm getting married later this year. You might have heard. And people tend to have a wee party for such things before the event. I thought a good place to have one would be on the RAT. Then I thought, why not make it into an ubuntu-uk outing?
[20:40] <popey> This sounds like an excellent plan.
[20:40] <bigcalm> Looking at the 2 dates in September
[20:40] <bigcalm> popey: glad you agree :)
[20:40] <popey> #action bigcalm do everything
[20:40] <popey> #endmeeting
[20:40] <bigcalm> Ha!
[20:41] <bigcalm> Is it normal to organise ones own stag do?
[20:41] <popey> i had 3
[20:41] <bigcalm> o.O
[20:42] <AlanBell> excellent idea
[20:42] <bigcalm> Link for lazies: http://www.watercressline.co.uk/product.php/10/real-ale-train-r-a-t/cf8160dadf2141514c9ecaf9824d3aca
[20:43] <AlanBell> 14th or 21st
[20:43] <bigcalm> Would be good to pick a date that more people can attend
[20:43] <bigcalm> Yep
[20:44] <AlanBell> 21st would probably be best for me and theopensourcerer
[20:44] <bigcalm> October 5th at a pinch, but I need to then save pennies for the honeymoon in October (we're off to Belgium for a week)
[20:45] <AlanBell> he has two offspring birthdays in september
[20:45] <AlanBell> must be something about new year
[20:45] <bigcalm> :D
[20:46] <bigcalm> popey: when is good for you?
[20:46] <popey> hmm
[20:46] <bigcalm> Dave2: RAT?
[20:46]  * popey shrugs, 14 & 21st are both empty
[20:50] <Dave2> dunno
[20:50] <Dave2> not sure if I'm doing anything in Ocrober
[20:51] <Dave2> er
[20:51] <Dave2> October
[20:51] <Dave2> or is this the September one
[20:51] <Dave2> I don't currently have anything in my calendar for then
[20:52] <Dave2> however I'm just leaving to go to the pub
[20:52] <bigcalm> Dave2: looks to be 21st September. Think about it
[20:54] <bigcalm> czajkowski: you should come join us on the RAT this year (and not be ill). Bring Jon!
[20:55] <bigcalm> Whom else? A couple of Bryns maybe
[20:55] <bigcalm> I think christel will be busy around that time :S
[20:57] <popey> see if aq is around?
[20:57] <bigcalm> And Adam Sweet
[21:03]  * bigcalm likes these spur of the moment beer arrangements. Only 6 months in advance
[21:20] <AlanBell> all the books are on the shelves and none have fallen down \o/
[21:20] <bigcalm> Well done that man
[21:21] <AlanBell> 2 small shelves to put up in the kitchen still
[21:22] <popey> Neat: http://imgur.com/gallery/apQd5
[21:23] <bigcalm> Funky:
[21:24] <AlanBell> very nice
[21:24] <bigcalm> Ale all gone :(
[21:25] <brobostigon> :(
[21:25] <bigcalm> Only wine left in the house now
[21:25] <bigcalm> Le sigh
[21:25] <brobostigon> same as here.
[21:27] <bigcalm> Oop. I'm being told to get off the puta and go watch On Her Maj's Secret Service with my better half
[21:28] <brobostigon> lol, woops.
[21:29] <bigcalm> Toodles :)
[21:30] <bigcalm> AlanBell: would be grateful if you could create an event for 21st September :)
[21:30] <AlanBell> sure
[21:30] <bigcalm> Cheers :)
[21:37] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/
[21:38] <mungbean> remember the clocks tonight boys
[21:38] <brobostigon> tmrw night.
[21:38] <mungbean> what day is today>
[21:38] <mungbean> satday
[21:39] <popey> tonight
[21:39] <mungbean> hence put them forward now
[21:39] <brobostigon> BST starts tmrw, ah, ok, brain burp. good point.
[21:40] <mungbean> my shift ends 1.30, which is really 2.30, then the boy will wake at 7.30-8am :(
[21:42] <mungbean> that girl on itv looks like an alien
[21:42] <mungbean> head on a stick
[21:42]  * brobostigon is watching QI. :)
[21:48] <mungbean> anyone else have these problems on unity? http://ubuntuone.com/3froHmRtrGfH7dgWq1Wb1p
[21:49] <mungbean> two nautilus icons - only one has the windows
[21:49] <mungbean> and 2) launch picasa, get the wine icon and you can't interact with the picasa icon
[21:52] <popey> what release of ubuntu is that?
[21:53] <popey> you probably have some duplication in desktop files in /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
[21:53] <popey> or its a bug in bamf
[21:53] <mungbean> 1204
[21:54] <mungbean> the nautilus icons actually are different
[21:55] <mungbean> gonna just remove it from launcher and see what happebs
[21:56] <popey> yeah, remove both, start nautilus and then lock it to the launcher again
[22:00] <ali1234> i had problems like that constantly when i used unity
[22:02] <popey> i thought we'd fixed most of those
[22:02] <ali1234> like i keep telling you
[22:02] <ali1234> you can never fix it
[22:02] <popey> i know we SRU'd some updates to bamf in 12.04 some time back to fix this stuff
[22:02] <popey> hence "most"
[22:02] <ali1234> there will always be another app new that you don't special case yet
[22:03] <popey> nauilus and wine are hardly new apps
[22:03] <popey> and are well known
[22:03] <ali1234> wine isn't an app
[22:03] <popey> YKWIM
[22:03] <ali1234> it's a runtime for multiple different apps, all of which need to be special cased
[22:03] <ali1234> the same with java
[22:06] <mungbean> docky never had this problem
[22:06] <ali1234> i've seen this happen in OS X
[22:11] <mungbean> trying some one handed gimping , its quite hard
[22:15] <ali1234> wat
[22:15] <popey> baby in hand I imagine
[22:16] <popey> I used to do one handed ircing with sam in hand years ago
[22:16]  * popey goes round changing clocks
[22:16] <daubers> is it that time already?
[22:18] <czajkowski> hmm when is the RAT ?
[22:23] <czajkowski> bigcalm: popey ^^
[22:41] <AlanBell> czajkowski: 21st september
[22:46] <czajkowski> cool
[22:46] <czajkowski> will poke when I'm back later in the week to Jon and see if he's up for it
[22:59] <mungbean> ali1234: fruits of my gimping: http://ubuntuone.com/6fCKDiQDywLRAnOEttzO2v
[23:11] <ali1234> oh noes engine failure
[23:13] <mungbean> pilot failure too as there's no pilot on that model
[23:13] <ali1234> pilot got out to restart the engine?
[23:14] <mungbean> the kit contained no pilot :(
[23:14] <mungbean> its a tiny little thing irl
[23:14] <ali1234> if you have engine failure in one of those can you restart it by autorotation or are you basically screwed?
[23:15] <mungbean> hmm i was watching a programme about it last year
[23:15] <mungbean> most issues were normally fire. and they didn't wear parachutes because it encouraged them to bale
[23:16] <mungbean> maybe i should add some smoke coming out
[23:19] <ali1234> http://www.flickr.com/photos/34076827@N00/4587719364
[23:21] <mungbean> wowza
[23:28] <mungbean> they've shuffled some planes around at the raf museum, hence i must pay a visit again
[23:28] <mungbean> one of my favourite places