| nhaines | I was wondering whether there was a way to allow HUD to appear over a GTK top level window. I'lm looking at a program that is fullscreen with no menus, but would benefit by having HUD integration when running under Ubuntu. | 01:24 |
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| smspillaz | nhaines: as long as the window is not override redirect the hud should work fine | 02:00 |
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| nhaines | smspillaz: It must do that, then. I'm looking at PyRoom and was considering creating a menu tree to allow for HUD interaction. But while HUD captures the Alt key, it never appears. | 04:39 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: Unfortunately, I'm not a GUI programmer, but I guess I have some research to do. Thanks for a starting point. :) | 04:39 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: yeah, getting the shell to stack above fullscreen windows is a bit of a strange usecase at the moment | 04:40 |
| smspillaz | I remember brandontschafer tried to make it work without too much success | 04:40 |
| smspillaz | its not really designed to do that | 04:40 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: when I researched it it did look like a weird corner case. And I imagine it'd be easier to do with specific toolkits instead of universally. | 04:51 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: the problem is with unity itself, not your application | 04:51 |
| smspillaz | or rather, unity sits in an area thats not very clearly defined by the EWMH | 04:51 |
| smspillaz | the EWMH and the ICCCM mind you | 04:52 |
| smspillaz | basically, every other desktop will have its menus be override redirect windows which take a grab | 04:52 |
| smspillaz | unity can't do that because we need to support the XDnD case from the dash | 04:53 |
| smspillaz | so the "dash" is actually defined as a panel so that it stacks on top of normal windows | 04:53 |
| smspillaz | we looked into making the dash a "fullscreen" type window, but thats also tricky because then it will cause the input window to be unredirected | 04:53 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: oh, I understood that it was a Unity issue. But I figured GTK had a better chance of having a workaround or solution rather than random GUI toolkit. | 05:31 |
| smspillaz | yeah | 05:32 |
| smspillaz | its "fixable" but not without a lot of effort | 05:32 |
| smspillaz | I think given the fact that the current incarnation of unity is "legacy" that won't really happen | 05:32 |
| nhaines | PyRoom is a "distraction-free" text editor. So we specifically don't want the Unity panel or the app indicators or notification windows popping up. | 05:32 |
| nhaines | Otherwise it'd be a quick fix to just run maximized the entire time. | 05:33 |
| smspillaz | yeah :/ | 05:33 |
| nhaines | So it's not like PyRoom is a standard use case either. :) | 05:34 |
| nhaines | Ooh! Any idea if UnityNext + Mir will address this issue? | 05:34 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: I guess you can add it to the list of "things that UnityNext will address" | 05:34 |
| smspillaz | (that list is really really really really long by the way) | 05:34 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: I can say as much as this: anything is addressable, no matter what codebase you're running on, its just a matter of whether or not the engineers want to address it on *this* rewrite ;-) | 05:35 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: granted. ;) | 05:35 |
| nhaines | Well, I will say that Unity is beautiful and the shell plus HUD and even the voice search is what I want my computing to be. And that's ignoring the fact that Ubuntu Touch is stunning. | 05:36 |
| smspillaz | :) | 05:36 |
| nhaines | I am also really sad that smart scopes got pushed back a cycle, but it's tempered by my hate for unannounced post-beta FFes from Canonical. ;) | 05:37 |
| nhaines | But seriously, I'm looking at PyRoom and thinking "shortcut key-only commands are horrible. If only we had a powerful way to expose commands" when I realized HUD was that way. Ah well. :) | 05:38 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: guess there's no reason why a temporary workaround couldn't be "run in hud capable mode" which just runs pyroom maximized | 05:39 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: I considered that last night as well. We just might as well have it be option in the preferences window. | 05:41 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: I know that a HUD goal was to undterstand command synonyms for searching. I was thrilled to see it in Ubuntu Touch. Is there any work I can plan for now in PyRoom on Ubuntu 13.04 that will make this automagically happen when it's available maybe in 13.10? | 05:48 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: I don't know about the HUD goals, I just maintain the shell/wm integration in unity-legacy | 05:48 |
| smspillaz | ask tedg | 05:48 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: thanks. | 05:49 |
| nhaines | I'll take a pass at the mobile API and then I'll shoot him an email or something. | 05:50 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: actually, I've been noticing in raring that the Unity Launcher doesn't always slide in when I push past the left side of the screen. Are you the one I shake my fist at about that? | 06:04 |
| nhaines | (It's random and I'm trying to narrow it down a bit more before I starting with the bug reports.) | 06:04 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: ask andyrock | 06:05 |
| smspillaz | or Trevinho | 06:06 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: in any case, its pressure based, you have to push your mouse against the side of the screen for a bit | 06:06 |
| smspillaz | (its designed to prevent it from accidentally coming out when you mouse to the back button on browsers for instance | 06:07 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: yes, my favorite feature. But occasionally it just won't come up and I have to open the Dash. It seems to start working again after that. | 06:07 |
| smspillaz | *shrug* | 06:07 |
| nhaines | Never a problem in quantal, but I can't figure out why it's stopping (or when) in raring. I might experiment more this weekend. | 06:08 |
| nhaines | In any case, never fear. If I figure it out it's going on launchpad. :) | 06:08 |
| smspillaz | nhaines: could have been when we moved to the upstream pressure patches | 06:09 |
| smspillaz | ask brandontschafer | 06:09 |
| smspillaz | I think he was doing the work for that | 06:09 |
| nhaines | smspillaz: thanks. Can I find him in here later? | 06:10 |
| smspillaz | yeah PST I think | 06:10 |
| nhaines | Which is my time zone so that's perfect. Great. :) | 06:11 |
| smspillaz | isn't it like 1am for you ? | 06:11 |
| nhaines | 11pm. | 06:11 |
| smspillaz | I always get confused about SFO time | 06:11 |
| nhaines | 1am comes all too soon, don't worry. ;) | 06:11 |
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