[00:07] <BigRedS> mungbean: in London?
[00:11] <mungbean> BigRedS: yes, the one in hendon
[00:18] <BigRedS> ooh, what's changed? I go there relatively frequently
[00:18] <BigRedS> A good friend used to work there, but I've now lost track of what happens and just turn up from time to time
[00:18] <mungbean> history of flight hall has gloster meteor and a different sopwith in there
[00:19] <mungbean> the me109 has moved
[00:19] <mungbean> judging by friend on fb photos
[00:19] <mungbean> not sure what else changed
[00:19] <BigRedS> aha, detective work!
[00:24] <penguin42> Manchester science museum has a fairly nice flight hall
[00:27] <mungbean> hmm, on oxford road?
[00:29] <mungbean> i studied in the maths tower(now demoloished) which was opposite, but only recall the egyptology stuff and the early gospel fragments , but that was 20 yrs ago now
[00:30] <penguin42> ah, no the Science Museum on Deansgate
[00:30] <mungbean> ah ok
[00:31] <mungbean> didn't venture that far often
[00:31] <penguin42> mungbean: When were you there?
[00:31] <mungbean> 93-96
[00:31] <penguin42> mungbean: Oh I was doing my postgrad then
[00:32] <mungbean> aka the good old days
[00:33] <mungbean> what in, penguin42 ?
[00:33] <penguin42> CS
[00:33] <mungbean> i was maths/cs undegrad
[00:33] <penguin42> oh, if you did any of the 1st year electronic courses I might have Demo'd to you then
[00:34] <mungbean> don't think i did
[00:34] <mungbean> lived in fallowfield?
[00:34] <penguin42> nah, I lived on the north side with family
[00:34] <penguin42> mungbean: Maths tower is long gone; it's now https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/5323474428500984577/5323477385642443922
[00:41] <mungbean> quite a difference!
[00:45] <penguin42> yep, they even built it the right way around
[00:46] <mungbean> but what would i chain my bike to:?
[00:46] <mungbean> depressing to think its almost 2am
[00:46] <penguin42> I think they put some down the side between the scan building and the cs
[06:33] <knightwise> hey everyone
[06:45] <MartijnVdS> Goeiemorgen :)
[06:56] <knightwise> hey martijn !
[06:56] <knightwise> hoe gaat ie
[07:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:28] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:36] <MooDoo> hello knightwise
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> Only "ufraw" in raring is up to date enough to be able to work with 6D raw files
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> rawtherapee's internal dcraw copy is too old :(
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> *shakes fist*
[08:42] <MooDoo> I've had to stick with photoshop for raw, don't like ufraw or rawtherapee or darktables :(
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I don't understand how darktable works.. I can't get it to save out a .jpg
[08:43] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: thats another reason i'm using photoshop lo
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: rawtherapee and ufraw are fine.. all I do is crop, rotate a little, and fix colours :)
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> my brother is the photoshop wizard :)
[08:45] <MooDoo> lI'm using it now :)
[09:02] <jacobw> Spring forward
[09:10] <MooDoo> indeed
[09:13] <kvarley> How can I output just the package name and dependencies with aptitude. I can't see a depends flag on this help page: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s01.html#secDisplayFormat
[09:19] <MooDoo> kvarley: apt-rdepends?
[09:20] <MooDoo> or what about apt-cache depends <package_name>
[09:22] <kvarley> Thanks MooDoo
[09:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:26] <SuperEngineer> boo!
[09:26] <brobostigon> morning SuperEngineer
[09:28] <SuperEngineer> morninks
[09:28]  * SuperEngineer spent last night watching Dr. Who - then playing Amnesia [The Dark Descent]...
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: now watch the "Blink" episode ;)
[09:29] <SuperEngineer> ..& finding out that headphones no longer work on anything being out to by PC
[09:30] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: the "Blink" episode?
[09:31]  * SuperEngineer also found out that Anmesia, which was £3.95 on Friday is already back up to full price
[09:31] <SuperEngineer> made I laugh!
[09:32] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(Doctor_Who)
[09:41] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: ah... the Weeeping Angels...  I remember that one.
[09:43] <SuperEngineer> that was an episode extraordinaire !
[09:44] <SuperEngineer> Whatever you do, don't even blink!
[09:45] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS: did you watch the game against Romania? Van Persie finally surpassed Cruyff.
[09:54] <SuperEngineer> In fact, the phtrase "whatever you do, don't close your eyes... don't even blink" applied to the whole UK last night
[09:54] <SuperEngineer> .... they stole an hour from ius whilst we blinked or slept
[09:55] <GentileBen> Actually, I was awake at 00:59.
[09:55] <SuperEngineer> but they hadn't stolen the hour then!
[09:56] <GentileBen> I was like, "wtf, my tablet's time is fucked. Oh wait...the evil NWO/Reptilian/ZOG DST conspiracy."
[09:56] <SuperEngineer> apparently that happen at 2am
[09:56] <MooDoo> is it 2?  thought it was 1am
[09:56] <SuperEngineer> [which means ya tablets got a naff time mngr btw
[09:56] <GentileBen> No it doesn't...
[09:56] <GentileBen> It means it follows the goddamn time specification for DST.
[09:57] <SuperEngineer> MooDoo: yes 1 becoame 2  ;)
[09:57] <GentileBen> The time is supposed to change from 00:59 to 02:00.
[09:57] <GentileBen> And it -did-.
[09:58] <SuperEngineer> we all blinked! look what happened!
[09:58] <GentileBen> Don't blame the blinking - blame the NWO and their army of Time Nazis.
[09:58] <SuperEngineer> [can be very disconcerting after playing Amnesia all night]
[09:59] <SuperEngineer> GentileBen: you - are - no - fun
[10:00]  * SuperEngineer sides with Timelord optoin - not the other
[10:00] <SuperEngineer> *option
[10:02] <KrimZon> Time Nazis... that's the perfect name for the badguys in my game, Don't Forget Your Duty To Vietnam While Honouring Your Medals In 1942
[10:02]  * SuperEngineer puts gun to head
[10:03] <GentileBen> KrimZon, sounds like a potential AAA game.
[10:03] <GentileBen> Make sure you add lean support.
[10:03] <GentileBen> It's important I can lean from behind fat Viet people in that game.
[10:06] <KrimZon> it will feature realistic rendering features such as Filled Polygon Graphics
[10:06] <KrimZon> and support Duck And Cover mechanics
[10:07] <KrimZon> press X and your soldier crouches down and hides under a blanket
[10:11] <GentileBen> Will it feature real-time...weapon change?
[10:19]  * SuperEngineer is proud that Ubuntu copes with all my connections [nVidia card goes to a KVM switch used in reverse, to the 5.1 sound system, HDMI to the TV]
[10:20] <SuperEngineer> ....but annoyed that he can't find reason for headphone death [phones checked and working]
[10:21] <SuperEngineer> ...the answer eludes me for now... but I have faith ;)
[10:21]  * SuperEngineer keeps hunting through various optons
[10:22] <SuperEngineer> *options
[10:42] <daubers> Morning
[10:44] <MooDoo> morning
[10:50]  * SuperEngineer wites note to self... "next time, get a theatre sound system with a damn headphone socket!"
[11:05]  * daubers sets up squid to break his reddit habit
[11:15] <MooDoo> :)  set me one up as well for facebook, google+ twiiter and any work url :)
[11:15] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[11:15] <AlanBell> dad has been getting GPU lockups on 12.04 recently
[11:16] <AlanBell> wonder if an upgrade to 12.10 would make a difference
[11:19] <MooDoo> hello AlanBell
[11:19] <AlanBell> hi
[11:19] <MooDoo> only one way to try it AlanBell :)
[11:23] <AlanBell> yeah, upgrading it now
[11:23] <AlanBell> should take a few hours
[11:25] <MooDoo> 12.04 is lts isn't it?
[11:25] <MooDoo> ignore that
[11:39] <AlanBell> it is
[11:39] <AlanBell> so I kind of suspect the hardware is failing
[11:41] <MooDoo> boo :(
[11:43]  * SuperEngineer smiles smugly at remembering to do weekly [off disk] backup despite it being Easter
[11:44] <MooDoo> that reminds me, i must take my offsite backup disk OFFSITE lol
[11:44] <SuperEngineer> MooDoo: agreed :D
[11:46] <penguin42> huh, yeuch remembered what I have to do today - set up a camera to watch my boilers status display; anyone know of a good flexible video recorder prog that can record off webcam - I think I'll probably make it record over sshfs
[11:47] <MooDoo> penguin42: GUVCViewer ?
[11:50] <MooDoo> penguin42: sorry make that guvcview lol
[11:50] <penguin42> hmm thanks, I'll look it up
[11:50] <MooDoo> it's one of the two and should be availble in the repos
[11:51] <penguin42> I could do with getting some temperature sensors to wire up and record at the same time
[11:54] <dogmatic69_> anyone know how I can have cacti reporting (server is at home) for a cloud server?
[11:54] <dogmatic69_> I think I need something like ssh tunnel but not sure how to do it securely
[11:55] <dogmatic69_> They have this how to http://docs.cacti.net/howto:ssh_tunnels_unix
[11:56] <dogmatic69_> I dont have 3 server/pc's though
[12:12] <penguin42> hasn't looked at cacti for years
[12:13] <dogmatic69_> I think I got a new tutorial to follow
[12:13] <dogmatic69_> seems to make more sense so far
[12:13] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Right, have you done ssh port forwarding before?
[12:13] <dogmatic69_> nope
[12:13] <dogmatic69_> I am following this one now http://www.playingwithwire.com/2007/06/monitoring-remote-hosts-with-cacti/
[12:14] <penguin42> ok, try ssh forwarding with something simpler first - it's actually really useful
[12:14] <dogmatic69_> I have read many times how awesome it is :D
[12:17] <dogmatic69_> With this command: ssh -N -L 16000:127.0.0.1:161 snmp@server1.xyz.net
[12:17] <dogmatic69_> Does that mean localhost:16000 is really server1.xyz.net?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> that means that when you connect to localhost:16000, it'll put you through to whatever server1.xyz.net thinks "port 161 of 127.0.0.1" means ;)
[12:19] <dogmatic69_> k
[12:19] <dogmatic69_> how do you 'stop' a tunnel?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> kill the ssh connection, or using <enter>~C
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> (see ssh manpage)
[12:20] <dogmatic69_> its started with & so I guess in htop will work
~# lists forwarded connections
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> kill the "Ssh" process, that should do it
[12:21] <bigcalm[mob]> Afternoon peeps :)
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm[mob]: you're the mob now?
[12:21] <bigcalm[mob]> Hehe
[12:22] <bigcalm[mob]> I'm on my mob. Visiting Hayley's parents for Easter lunch. There are 14 of us here
[12:22] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: would that not kill all ssh connections to?
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: only if you have multiplexing turned on :)
[12:23] <dogmatic69_> :O
[12:23] <dogmatic69_> idk what that is even
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: you should kill the ssh that you used to set up the tunnel
[12:23] <bigcalm[mob]> killall -9 ssh ?
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm[mob]: nah, that kills ALL ssh clients
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> it's the nuclear option :)
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> if you started it with "&" "jobs" should show it
[12:24] <bigcalm[mob]> Sorry, I've walked in to a conversation part way through
[12:24] <dogmatic69_> as in 'jobs' is a terminal command?
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> and kill %X should kill it (X = number of job.. so kill %3 if it's listed as the third job"
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: sí
[12:24] <dogmatic69_> ah. so its not running then...
[12:24] <dogmatic69_> :/
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: don't ssh &
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> you'll want ssh -f if you really want backgrounding (because of the password prompts etc.)
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> man ssh \o/
[12:26] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: well i will use a pwdless key for login
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> sure but still :)
[12:26] <dogmatic69_> its just for cacti
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: read the docs for "-f", it's really cool
[12:27] <dogmatic69_> ah, seems smart.
[12:28] <dogmatic69_> so that will wait for anything and once logged in disappear
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:29] <dogmatic69_> hmm, think its working now
[12:29] <dogmatic69_> jobs still empty though.
[12:30] <dogmatic69_> snmpwalk -v 1 -c public tcp:localhost:16000 shows data so I assume the tunnel is working
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:31] <dogmatic69_> unless I looped the ssh back to localhost somehow :D
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: look for the hostname in SNMP output :)
[12:33] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: its correct \o/
[12:34] <dogmatic69_> thanks. Trying to add it on cacti now
[12:34] <dogmatic69_> ohhh
[12:44] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: As for security, ssh tunnelling is pretty good - just make sure you know what lets you go where
[12:53] <SuperEngineer> Urgent request: running out of things to do to avoid firing up works laptop & reading emails & installing tech stuff.... help!
[12:53] <penguin42> youtube!
[12:53] <SuperEngineer> phew!
[12:53] <dogmatic69_> reddit.com
[12:53] <SuperEngineer> thanks penguin42
[12:54] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: You do have a Raring install to test don't you?
[12:54] <SuperEngineer> ooo... life is looking better already ;)
[13:09] <shauno> you should try accidentally leaving the work laptop at work sometimes.  it's fantastic :)
[13:12] <shauno> and completely OT, this gem from irishrail .. Don't forget the clocks have gone back so check your time before you travel
[13:12] <shauno> explains a lot
[13:25] <SuperEngineer> shauno: my office is unfortunately my home & I travel to customer locations around UK - so the trouble is - I did as you suugested  ;)
[13:27] <StevenR_> penguin42: re: our conversation last weekend on my parents crashing box with 3.2.0-39, here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1160582
[13:27] <SuperEngineer> but don't worry - I'm currently very busy doing as others have suggested [plus, just realised, Madagacar is on TV] :D
[13:28] <penguin42> StevenR_: Huh erm only vaguely remember
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> *Madagascar
[13:30] <penguin42> StevenR_: I don't see the backtrace in any of the logs attached
[13:31] <StevenR_> penguin42: WifiSyslog.txt ?
[13:31] <penguin42> oh - hadn't thought it was a wifi specific
[13:31] <StevenR_> penguin42: it isn't. The box doesn't even have wifi
[13:32] <StevenR_> penguin42: I don't know why ubuntu-bug named /var/log/syslog to wifisyslog.txt
[13:34] <penguin42> StevenR_: So there are a few separate oops in there - I think the irqbalance one is the first in that boot
[13:36] <penguin42> StevenR_: How often do these happen?
[13:36] <StevenR_> several times per day
[13:38] <StevenR_> penguin42: 3-4 times, looking at my mail history
[13:38] <penguin42> StevenR_: OK, time to gather a few of the oops messages, in particular try and see if they are similar each time or different; I've just added a comment showing the two I extracted from your logs - if the 1st one on each boot is always the irqbalance then that narrows it down a bit
[13:38] <StevenR_> upto 10 times
[13:39] <StevenR_> (the box sends me a mail on boot)
[13:39] <penguin42> if they're different every time....well life gets hard
[13:40] <StevenR_> ok, I'll go and pull the logs and see
[13:42] <^aDaM> Anyone know if 8.10 will still work? I have it on disc here Desk Edition 32Bit.
[13:43] <^aDaM> But when I installed inside windows via Windows Desktop
[13:43] <^aDaM> and rebooted it.. it came to the loading bar of Ubuntu start up..
[13:43] <^aDaM> and got stuck half way :/
[13:43] <penguin42> well it won't self destruct - but it's not maintained, and may not work on recent hardware/VM
[13:43] <^aDaM> Whys that? I have disc space.
[13:43] <penguin42> well new hardware may do new tricks (as might new windows) and it might be that there has to be added support for it - use a recent Ubuntu
[13:44] <^aDaM> Yes true say, I have 8.10 :( no copie of latest..
[13:44] <^aDaM> I need blank discs.
[13:44] <penguin42> got a USB thumb drive?
[13:44] <^aDaM> Is there any other ways??
[13:44] <^aDaM> Yes I have USB HDD Maxtor 250GB LaCiE Brick.
[13:45] <^aDaM> Current has a few photo's
[13:45] <penguin42> do you have a completely spare one - that you can wipe?
[13:45] <^aDaM> Yes.
[13:45] <^aDaM> USB HDD :)
[13:45] <penguin42> hmm ok, never done it with a big brick; with a little USB flash drive you can put the Ubuntu image onto there and boot from it (see the install instructions for how)
[13:46] <^aDaM> I have tried that loads :( UNetBootin, LinuxLiveUSB etc..
[13:46] <^aDaM> I can't seem to get it to boot via USB has errors
[13:46] <^aDaM> Can I boot and do a fresh install on my HDD? so when I boot it asks when HDD to boot ?
[13:47] <^aDaM> Only  when the USB HDD is turned on an active before turning the PC on.
[14:04] <StevenR_> penguin42: annoyingly, the logs have rotated out now. No more evidence to prove/disprove your theory
[14:06] <penguin42> StevenR_: Just add a comment next time you manage to tie a couple down; ideally you want ones that have nothing in the taint markers  - i.e. are the first crash for that boot
[14:06] <StevenR_> penguin42: as far as I can tell though, each crash is fatal for the box and requires a reboot
[14:07] <StevenR_> (based on what Dad has told me)
[14:07] <penguin42> StevenR_: Well he wouldn't necessarily see anything else going into the logs after it goes bad
[14:08] <StevenR_> I don't understand what you mean there
[14:09] <penguin42> StevenR_: You might get a few oops recorded in the log every time it apparently crashes - the 2nd ones may just be fall out from the 1st
[14:10] <StevenR_> I see. I can discount those because there won't be a reboot between them and the previous
[14:10] <StevenR_> ?
[14:10] <penguin42> yeh and also perhaps if it says 'Tainted' in the oops then it's generally something bad happened
[14:10] <penguin42> (* unless it's tainting for another reason)
[14:23] <brobostigon> beer fest at local visit, :)
[14:26] <^aDaM-iPhone> Hey all got a fresh install of Ubuntu 8.10 running via my External USB Hard Drive, can I now update via the internet to the latest version or would I have to upgrade one-by-one to the latest?
[14:27] <^aDaM-iPhone> Just gone on to Update Manager and says I can upgrade to 9.04!! shell i update and keep doing so untill I get to the latest?
[14:27] <Myrtti> why did you install 8.10?
[14:28] <Myrtti> couldn't get others to install?
[14:28] <Myrtti> (reading backlog now)
[14:28] <^aDaM-iPhone> Says now when I upgrade, "Could not download all repository indexes"
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:29] <^aDaM-iPhone> Well I have no blank discs or any way of booting the new latest distro due to problems bootin via usb etc...
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: you have to go the slow way around until 10.04, then you can go to 12.04 in one go
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> if only you had started out with 8.04 ;)
[14:30] <^aDaM-iPhone> awww :( this sucks lol I need latest version help...
[14:30] <^aDaM-iPhone> Can I not boot via my USB HDD and install on it to
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: so upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 to 9.10 to 10.04 to 12.04
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: the EOLUpgrades page tells you how to adjust sources.list for upgrades to work
[14:31] <StevenR_> penguin42: thanks for looking at that bug, I'll speak to Dad and see if he can run with the faulty kernel for a couple of days and get some more info
[14:31] <^aDaM-iPhone> so I can do this now from 8.10?
[14:32] <^aDaM-iPhone> Can anyone help us do it please
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: yes, that page lists how to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: and all the others I listed
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: it's just going to take a while
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:34] <^aDaM-iPhone> Thanks ever so much martin will give this a go :) ah well coffee it is then an its the ony way for me im cheap and wont buy 1 single blank cdr lol
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: at least you won't be bored tonight ;)
[14:35] <^aDaM-iPhone> How lon ruffly will it take?
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: how fast is your internet connection?
[14:36] <^aDaM-iPhone> haha yeah I sure wont
[14:36] <^aDaM-iPhone> Its 6mbits adsl with talktalk not the best
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> I'd say 30 minutes to an hour per version
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> make that 1-1.5 hours at that speed :)
[14:36] <^aDaM-iPhone> cool :)
[14:36] <^aDaM-iPhone> lol great :
[14:46] <^aDaM-iPhone> I have found a better way ;) takes less time and its a quick 2, 3 stage processe :)
[14:48] <^aDaM-iPhone> Since I am having issues booting via my USB Device Stick I am going to use USBNetBootin
[14:48] <^aDaM-iPhone> Boot from my USB HDD and install fresh latest ;)
[14:48] <^aDaM-iPhone> Wish me luck! x
[15:07] <^aDaM-iPhone> Ok so my USB HDD now has Unbuntu 12.04 on there ready for booting :) using Linux Live USB Creator.
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[15:08] <^aDaM-iPhone> I can do a 100% install on this USB HDD right using LL USB Creator? My primary master internal hdd is on Windows XP that I am on now doing the copying.
[15:09] <kvarley> How can I insert a space with tr? \s and ' ' don't work
[15:10] <brobostigon> some good beers there, very enjoyable, :)
[15:13] <^aDaM-iPhone> So I just got a error when booting: http://i47.tinypic.com/2a62n9j.jpg
[15:13] <^aDaM-iPhone> :(
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: is that booting the USB disk, or the destination system?
[15:14] <^aDaM-iPhone> What have I done wront I dont get it the USB HDD is formatted then did linux live
[15:14] <^aDaM-iPhone> its booting my USB HDD
[15:14] <^aDaM-iPhone> External Hard Drie
[15:14] <^aDaM-iPhone> Drive
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> then unetbootin/usb-creator-gtk didn't write a proper boot sector
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> because afaik that uses syslinux, not grub?
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> so.. are you sure you're booting from USB?
[15:15] <^aDaM-iPhone> Not a USB sticm or pen drive a USB powered Har Drive external lacie maxtor 250gb brick that was frmatted
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> that shouldn't be a problem
[15:16] <^aDaM-iPhone> ah i see ok so what do i use for tbat grub??
[15:16] <^aDaM-iPhone> unetbootin wont work
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: it won't? why? what does it say?
[15:19] <^aDaM-iPhone> Will find out now..
[15:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: you pointed me at iptraf the other day, is there something similer for ipv6?
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: iptraf can show v6 as well
[15:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hmm, i havent seen it in its man pages.
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> iftop maybe?
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if you go to the "stream" views, it shows both v4 and v6 connections
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> as long as you have those, of course ;)
[15:21] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i do yes, ok, let me try that out.
[15:22] <^aDaM-iPhone> Oomggg boots dkkkd man
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: keep calm and carry on :P
[15:22] <^aDaM-iPhone> cant acess anything says grub error 21
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> "Selected disk does not exist"
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> = error 21
[15:22] <^aDaM-iPhone> even with the exeternal usb disconnect im fkd no back up of anyhimg
[15:23] <^aDaM-iPhone> cant get on windows how do i get rid of grub
[15:23] <^aDaM-iPhone> wifes gonna kill me lol
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: boot into an Ubuntu installer
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: we can fix it from there
[15:25] <^aDaM-iPhone> aww i hope so :( how do i boot into ubuntu installer im no good at this
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: you said you'd installed 8.10 earlier
[15:26] <^aDaM-iPhone> yes via genuine disc
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> Start from that, but don't start installing
[15:26] <^aDaM-iPhone> ok so booting
[15:26] <^aDaM-iPhone> ok
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: you didn't install windows after Ubuntu, but the basic principle is the same
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: also.. irony. It's World Backup Day
[15:29] <^aDaM-iPhone> hope this works
[15:30] <^aDaM-iPhone> Just booted typed in rescue will windows be there still?
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> yes, rescue won't remove Windows
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> unless you removed it earlier..
[15:31] <^aDaM-iPhone> Noni and ok cool :) thanks man
[15:35] <^aDaM-iPhone> Im stuck here now MartijnVdS :(
[15:35] <^aDaM-iPhone> http://i46.tinypic.com/35bxaoh.jpg
[15:35] <^aDaM-iPhone> Thts my windows drive i disconnect my usb hdd
[15:35] <^aDaM-iPhone> shell i have this connect
[15:36] <^aDaM-iPhone> as thats what u utiband linux libe is on
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: your screen is sideways
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> I don't know.. that's not the rescue screen
[15:37] <^aDaM-iPhone> lmaoo as u sai that MartijnVdS i noticed i have my iphone upside down lmao
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> that's the re-partitioning screen
[15:37] <^aDaM-iPhone> oh right
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> and that one IS scary and can delete stuff
[15:37] <^aDaM-iPhone> ah see
[15:37] <^aDaM-iPhone> yh ano lol
[15:37] <^aDaM-iPhone> oh no
[15:37] <^aDaM-iPhone> reboot fimd
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> fimd?
[15:38] <^aDaM-iPhone> time
[15:38] <^aDaM-iPhone> So ok boot my 8.10 unbuntu disc now...
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> this wasn't your 8.10 disc?
[15:39] <^aDaM-iPhone> I have on screen Install ubuntu etc
[15:39]  * brobostigon does seperate ipv4/ipv6 network diagrams to work it out.
[15:39] <^aDaM-iPhone> This is 8.10 i have no later
[15:40] <kvarley> Easiest way to remove the last character of a string?
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: the prototypical XY problem :)
[15:40] <kvarley> Got it lol
[15:40] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I'm always asking XY problems ;)
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I noticed ;)
[15:41] <^aDaM-iPhone> Im screwed
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-iPhone: you could buy some empty CDs and burn a recent Ubuntu
[15:43] <^aDaM-iPhone> No i need my windows back i hve lots of info on there i need
[15:43] <^aDaM-iPhone> this grubs in my way stoppin windows to load
[15:46] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: all working now, thanks http://awesomescreenshot.com/08e141q56d
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: woo :)
[15:46]  * MartijnVdS uses collectd now
[15:46] <dogmatic69_> managed to get a custom fpm monitor also
[15:47] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: link? google is not helping for 'collected'
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: http://collectd.org/
[15:48] <dogmatic69_> tx
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> I run it on my Pi
[15:51] <brobostigon> :)
[15:51] <brobostigon> iftop is definatly closer, :)
[15:55] <kvarley> Is there a way I can view line endings in terminal?
[15:55] <kvarley> I want to see whether my string is ending with a space or a \n
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: what do you want to do, really?
[15:56] <kvarley> I've got a string that is a comma separated list and I want to remove the last comma. The string finishes with ", "
[15:57] <kvarley> This is in bash btw
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: sed -e 's/, +//'
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: sed -e 's/, *//' actually.. zero or more spaces
[15:59] <kvarley>  MartijnVdS: Not working, I'm not sure why
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: maybe you need -r in there as well (sed -r -e)
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: maybe the trailing char is a tab?
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> sed -r -e 's/,\s*$//'
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> try that
[16:00] <brobostigon> this is one sad day, when galaxy quest is the best thing on tv.
[16:01] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: \0/
[16:01] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Thanks for that. Why did that work and not the other?
[16:02] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Can I use that snippet in a project? It will be MIT licensed.
[16:12] <brobostigon> it is definatly weird looking at ipv6 addr's, with port numbers hooked on, :)
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: [they:should:look:like]:this
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> the [] part make it easier to distinguish :)
[16:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: quite, yes, i had to look twice, to make sure.
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> what.. Galaxy Quest on BBC Two and nobody told me? :)
[16:15] <brobostigon> it is funny, but as i said earlier, it is sad, when that is the only thing on.
[16:21] <kvarley> Anybody know if the Nexus 10 will be getting the full Ubuntu Touch OS experience? (As in running fully Unity when you plug into a monitor with keyboard + mouse?)
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: if anyone knows, it's popey
[16:22] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I think the specs were 2GB RAM minimum so it might scrape in there
[16:23] <kvarley> Does flashing Ubuntu void your warranty? AFAIK the Nexus 10 doesn't have a locked bootloader
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I think European rules say no.. but I'd assume yes
[16:26] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Any ideas where the changelogs are for the daily ubuntu touch preview images?
[16:27] <kvarley> Sorry, didn't mean to add  your name to that message
[16:27] <kvarley> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ has a changelog with nothing useful in it
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: isn't there a mailing list where every package upload is sent?
[16:48] <dutchie> oxford \o/
[17:18] <darrell09thomas> can anyone help how i can make ubuntu 12.10 run faster my laptop is a acer aspire 5536 4Gb ram 1TB hdd
[17:20] <darrell09thomas> anyone online
[17:22] <moreati> darrell09thomas: be specific, in what way is it slow?
[17:22] <moreati> oh
[17:27] <^aDaM-desktop> lo all :)
[17:27] <^aDaM-desktop> back again!
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> ^aDaM-desktop: fixed it then?
[18:51] <popey> evening
[18:51] <brobostigon> eveing popey-ness.
[18:52] <mungbean> http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nurvo-android-4-ice-cream-sandwich-hdmi-tv-stick-1080p-full-hd-wi-fi-usb-22-98-ebay-1515727
[18:52] <mungbean> in case anyone interestd
[18:53] <popey> HD decode _and_ encode.. interesting
[19:06] <popey> mungbean: tempted to get one for the bedroom telly
[19:06] <popey> would need a remote tho
[19:11] <ali1234> how legit is play.com?
[19:12] <popey> i have bought from them before
[19:12] <popey> their marketplace is somewhat full of suspect stuff tho
[19:12] <popey> i think they shutdown their own store and are only marketplace now?
[19:12] <ali1234> yes
[19:13] <kvarley> I've only ever bought from play when they sold stuff
[19:14] <mungbean> play changed
[19:15] <mungbean> they stopped being a real retailer and now just junky marketplace stuff
[19:15] <mungbean> oh, that just got said.
[19:15] <mungbean> woops
[19:15] <mungbean> popey: NO HDMI on my telly :(
[19:15] <mungbean> would be an expensive gadget if i got a telly with it
[19:16] <mungbean> i wonder why shotwell doesn't always hide already imported photos
[19:17] <popey> i filed a bug about that
[19:18] <mungbean> i still have to use picasa to do stuff, because of lack of effects, its a shame
[19:18] <popey> bug 708375
[19:18] <mungbean> shotwell could be awesome
[19:18] <popey> gosh, 2 years ago
[19:18] <popey> time flies
[19:19] <SuperMatt> yorba have mroe important things to be doing now
[19:20] <SuperMatt> cripes, I don't think they're going to make their target
[19:22] <popey> the fact that it is on indiegogo and not kickstarter doesnt help
[19:23] <penguin42> so, anyone know anything better than gucview for capturing video - ideally that can time stamp
[19:24] <kvarley> penguin42: ffmpeg?
[19:25] <penguin42> preferably with a gui that I can tweek the setting sto get the contract ?
[19:28] <kvarley> penguin42: is this for cctv?
[19:28] <penguin42> this is for boiler watching!
[19:29] <kvarley> so...yes?
[19:29] <kvarley> ZoneMinder can do what you want but it's probably overkill
[19:29] <penguin42> ooh, never tried that
[19:30] <penguin42> my problem is really trying to monitor it while I'm in the shower to see why it's going cold!
[19:30] <penguin42> http://imagebin.org/252343
[19:35] <mungbean> i hope that not a pic of u in the shoqwer
[19:35] <penguin42> no; the boiler :-)
[19:36] <mungbean> thats a mean thing to call the missis
[19:36] <SuperMatt> penguin42: just a suggestion, but rather than timestamp the video, could you not just set a watch down next to it? then you can use anything to record it.
[19:36] <penguin42> kvarley: Given what zoneminder has just installed, yes - it is overkill for my poor little netbook
[19:37] <penguin42> SuperMatt: Ooh, I like it - technology!
[19:37] <mungbean> i use motion
[19:37] <mungbean> very simple config and install
[19:40] <penguin42> mungbean: How do you tweak the camera settings
[19:42] <mungbean> nappy explosion, back in a bit
[19:43]  * penguin42 hands mungbean the firehose
[19:44] <mungbean> sounded like a pooback
[19:59] <penguin42> zoneminder doesn't seem to want to display an image
[20:05]  * penguin42 is  seeing what appears to be bug 1159361
[20:11] <mungbean> penguin42: sent u my config file for motion
[20:12] <mungbean> just apt get motion, use a similar config, and run it
[20:12] <penguin42> mungbean: Thanks; I like the fact it can do the text
[20:18] <mungbean> you can stream on 8081 or record motion
[20:25] <penguin42> ah, now that is working
[20:28] <penguin42> well streaming with text overlay, but not recording yet
[20:46] <penguin42> right, as long as it isn't going to have file size problems that should work
[20:47] <penguin42> mungbean: Thanks!
[20:48] <mungbean> np
[20:49] <penguin42> mungbean: Now a bit of OCR and graphing I could monitor this boiler - I need some proper lighting though - it's a non-backlit LCD and a cheap asda webcam - so some limits
[21:01] <mungbean> penguin42: you could always turn on the shower and not get in, but watch theboiler instead
[21:01] <penguin42> mungbean: The problem is it doesn't always do it
[21:02] <penguin42> and sods law says now I have this setup it won't - but we'll see
[21:02] <mungbean> cheap fix
[21:03] <mungbean> having another torrid night with the newborn :)
[21:03] <mungbean> :(
[21:03] <mungbean> wind pains i guess
[21:06] <directhex> a
[21:06] <directhex> a
[21:06] <directhex> a
[21:06] <directhex> a
[21:06] <directhex> a
[21:06] <directhex> a
[21:06] <directhex> sorry, had to get that goddamn coloured global notice off my screen
[21:07] <mungbean> ?
[21:08] <mungbean> didny see it
[21:09] <mungbean> ah, its on my alt-1 page
[21:10] <mungbean> hideous
[21:14] <popey> wat
[21:14] <popey> has richih been hacked?
[21:15] <mungbean> who are these people who sells books retailing at £10-15 at £86.98 on amazon/ebay?
[21:15] <Myrtti> popey: no?
[21:15] <popey> just the very odd social engagement
[21:15] <popey> mungbean: bots probably
[21:16] <Myrtti> amazon did hike up their fees...
[21:16] <mungbean> i see it a lot, but why? in case someone is desperate, or they list a huge amount of books and make mistakes?
[21:17] <mungbean> when a book is in print and they try to sell at 8*RRP
[21:19] <mungbean> never get good deals on everyday items via ebay anymore, more likely via local page on facebook
[22:14] <penguin42> it's really annoying that when you set monitoring up like that it all works perfectly
[22:25] <penguin42> so I'm about to start learning Python; is there anything I should be careful of
[22:29] <mungbean> which versuin
[22:30] <penguin42> yeh that's what I wondered, is it best to start with the current version and then learn what not to do in the older one?
[22:30] <mungbean> is this enigma prog on bbc now any good or will it annoy me
[22:31] <mungbean> th4eres lots of free books
[22:31]  * penguin42 was going to follow the tutorial on python.org
[22:31] <mungbean> learn python hard way, dive inyo python
[22:31] <mungbean> are both ok toi
[22:31] <penguin42> yeh, I've got a project to do
[22:36] <graingert> penguin42: what's the project?
[22:37] <penguin42> graingert: I'm playing with opencv, and have extracted some face data from all the images in my webcache; now I want to create a waiting between images to feed into a graph viewer like Gephi
[22:38] <graingert> you should probably ask in #python
[22:38] <penguin42> oh they must get annoyed at the 'hey I want to learn python' type q - I'll see how I go
[23:42] <shauno> completely OT, but doesn't look like I'm gonna be interupting anyone .. google maps is interesting today :)
[23:45] <penguin42> shauno: oh nice, I'd only noticed google nose
[23:49] <mungbean> wondering whay the minimum i need to do to setup my eee pc as a kindle
[23:50] <mungbean> ;ightweight wm + debian + wine?
[23:50] <penguin42> oh you mean actually a kindle kindle as opposed to a reader of other types of stuff
[23:51] <mungbean> yeah
[23:51] <mungbean> although other suggestuibs welcomr
[23:51] <mungbean> argh typing]
[23:52] <mungbean> most book im currently readinmg are in kidle land until i free them
[23:52] <mungbean> but sync is helpful atm