[00:53] <MadMarc>   Hello
[00:54] <MadMarc> Looking for some help setting up Minecraft and Terraria on a Compaq 2510p with Lubuntu 12.10
[03:20] <jjennings> hello lubuntu world!
[03:20] <jjennings> a quick question. how do I disable the mouse pad while typing?
[03:21] <Guest60048> hello
[03:22] <Guest60048> iamhaving some issues with installing from a live usb
[03:23] <wxl> Guest60048: what problem?
[03:24] <Guest60048> i have created a live usb using unetbootin and am able to launch but when i use the installer on the desktop it crashes
[03:24] <wxl> what system is this on?
[03:25] <Guest60048> DEFT
[03:25] <wxl> let me rephrase: what are the specs on your computer?
[03:26] <Guest60048> dellinspiron 500gib hdd 4gb ram
[03:26] <wxl> yikes that should be more than sufficient
[03:26] <wxl> i'd recommend checking the md5 of the usb against the published md5s. i think that's unlikely to be the problem, but it's worth a check
[03:26] <Guest60048> yea ive tried a few things but I think it may be with the installer itself
[03:26] <wxl> which iso is this?
[03:27] <Guest60048> deft.7.2
[03:27] <wxl> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh then why are yo uat lubuntu again? XD
[03:28] <Guest60048> pointed me here thought I'd give it a shot see if common
[03:28] <Guest60048> I've been at it for for a while now
[03:28] <wxl> well let's consider the connections
[03:28] <wxl> we both use lxde
[03:29] <wxl> which has nothing to do with the installer
[03:30] <wxl> i'm not even sure if it pulls most of itself from canonical repos or not
[03:30] <wxl> so i have no idea where to even begin
[03:30] <wxl> so i'd say to take this up with deft.
[03:30] <wxl> and, no, not a common issue.
[03:30] <Guest60048> okay thanks for your input
[03:31] <Guest60048> take care
[07:30] <kvarley> Is edge window tiling included out of the box now?
[11:50] <pmatulis_> what is edge window tiling?
[11:51] <holstein> pmatulis_: i think just tiling in general. like a tiling window manager.. like awesome can do
[12:37] <Grouver> Hello. I tried to install lubuntu on a relative old computer. Though when I try to install it it ofcourse needs a internet connection. But it doesnt seem to connect. If I launch lubuntu directly from the dvd it keeps giving me the message : "Disconnected your now offline" THen it retries. And then again: "Disconnected your now offline"  Though, if i connect the internet cable to another computer internet works fine.  Can anyone help me 
[12:38] <holstein> Grouver: i just install.. and i dont install upgrades during the installaion
[12:38] <holstein> !minimal
[12:38] <holstein> ^ if you find that easier.. you can install minimal, and add the lubuntu-desktop meta packages
[12:38] <holstein> sudo apt-get install lubntu-desktop
[12:38] <Grouver> But I already started with the cd to begin with.
[12:39] <Grouver> But then it just cant connect like said.
[12:39] <holstein> Grouver: then, just dont get online
[12:39] <Grouver> ? how do you mean?
[12:40] <holstein> Grouver: i mean, if the installer is failing due to trying to connect to the internet for any reason, dont connect.. and dont ask the installer to do anything that requires being online.. just install.. dont be online, or require the install to be online
[12:40] <holstein> OR, use the minimal.. or alternate iso's to install
[12:41] <Grouver> Yes okay. But what about launching it from the dvd? I tried that to see whats going on. So if I install lubuntu anyways.. i will still have the no-internet problem.
[12:42] <holstein> what dvd?
[12:42] <holstein> Grouver: just install.. and after the installation, get the machine online
[12:42] <Grouver> Well I sure need to install it from somewhere?
[12:43] <holstein> Grouver: install what?
[12:43] <holstein> the internet?
[12:43] <Grouver> holstein, lol no.  I have a dvd with lubuntu on it.
[12:43] <holstein> you dont.. you'll just install the lubuntu distrobution, and then, you will add what you need
[12:43] <Grouver> holstein, but how do i add anything if i dont have internet? Sure okay, I have installed lubuntu now. But still don't have internet.
[12:44] <Grouver> THats the whole problem to begin with. :p
[12:44] <holstein> Grouver: add "things' after the install
[12:44] <holstein> Grouver: you are trying to add wifi support?
[12:45] <holstein> i would plug in wired
[12:45] <holstein> !wifi
[12:45] <Grouver> Not its about a wired connection.
[12:45] <Grouver> Which is not working if I launch it from the dvd.
[12:45] <holstein> Grouver: if you launch what from the DVD?
[12:45] <holstein> Grouver: the dvd is the installer, correct? the live CD?
[12:45] <holstein> Grouver: take that out.. and put it away
[12:46] <Grouver> holstein, yes.
[12:46] <holstein> Grouver: anything that would support your hardware is either already installed, or online.. not on that live CD
[12:46] <holstein> Grouver: boot your normal installed installation.. *not* the live CD
[12:46] <Grouver> alright, cause thats the explanation maybe why internet is not working to begin with?
[12:46] <holstein> Grouver: run "lscpi" and see if you see your network card..
[12:47] <holstein> Grouver: no
[12:47] <Grouver> holstein, did that already from the live cd boot up.
[12:47] <Grouver> lscpi -knn
[12:47] <Grouver> |grep 0200
[12:47] <holstein> Grouver: could be bad hardware. could be off in the bios.. could be not supported... could be a bad lan cable
[12:47] <Grouver> it found one.
[12:47] <holstein> Grouver: do this from your actual install...
[12:47] <Grouver> hmm okay.
[12:48] <holstein> Grouver: lspci.. in a terminal.. and put that output in pastebin
[12:48] <Grouver> Okay will do. I will try that know. THanks.
[13:29] <amigamia> does lubuntu use classic gnome 2?
[14:15] <divx118> amigamia: lxde
[14:16] <amigamia> well then why did the #ubuntu channel say use lubuntu if i wanted the classic look?
[14:18] <divx118> I don't know. I am sure it uses lxde. On another laptop I have fedora with mate. Which is also nice if you want a classic interface.
[14:19] <divx118> http://mate-desktop.org/
[14:20] <melodie> hi
[14:21] <melodie> I gave a fast try of today's Lubuntu raring daily build and it does not work in vbox
[14:22] <melodie> It was long to end on the desktop, longer than Xubuntu was, then I could not start any application, pcmanfm, or any other except desktop prefs and there tried to start apps using the openbox menus which I activated, and same. I tried going to a tty and as the keyboard is qwerty there I wanted to "sudo -s" to be able to switch, but the shell returned a message stating "I/O error" on /usr/bin/sudo
[14:23] <melodie> that's it for today. I'll try again tomorrow if I can
[14:23] <melodie> btw the md5sum is fine, I checked...
[14:35] <melodie> is there a recent lubuntu version (desktop) which I could try and would be likely to work in vbox ?
[14:35] <melodie> ého ! anyone out there ? :d
[14:35] <melodie> :D
[14:59] <posix> i'm wondering how many people are actually testing lubuntu on really old hardware. a friend and i did this weekend and could only run the live version. installer just aborted w/o error. i get the impression lubuntu is used on modern computers predominantly. bugs that occur w old hardware are not really reported and thus not fixed, unfortunately.
[15:02] <steve_deft> Hello!
[15:02] <melodie> hi
[15:02] <steve_deft> Any one can help me with the customization of Live Lubuntu?
[15:03] <melodie> posix how old was that one machine ?
[15:03] <melodie> how much ram, and what gpu especially ?
[15:04] <posix> it was a via chipset from early '00s, athlon-xp, agp geforce4mx, i believe 512mb ram
[15:05] <posix> starting the installer from boot menu created a corrupted gui unfortunately. we later tried with "nomodeset" and "xforcevesa" which reduced the gui but made it work properly
[15:06] <melodie> posix so this might come from the driver "nouveau" which often brings problems to some nvidia cards
[15:06] <melodie> posix would you try a version I have put up, with Openbox and few components, no nouveau driver, and zram used from the live to the install ?
[15:06] <melodie> I mean on that one machine ?
[15:06] <melodie> I can give you the link to the presentation I did of it
[15:07] <melodie> steve_deft ask your question
[15:07] <posix> sure, i'm afraid it'll take a while until we have time to try it though
[15:07] <steve_deft> Ok
[15:08] <melodie> you could try from usb stick too if the machine can be booted from usb : I did that on a T30 which is from 01 ...
[15:08] <steve_deft> The question is really simple...
[15:08] <posix> we were actually suspecting the hard drive to cause the problem. it was an old 100gb 5400rpm drive we took from an old laptop.
[15:08] <melodie> posix here: Bento2 - OBUbuntu Remix presentation - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,248.0.html
[15:08] <steve_deft> ... if I want change the default username and hostname of the live Lubuntu session.... where I can customize it?
[15:08] <melodie> posix I think with 512 Mb ram it should work perfectly
[15:09] <steve_deft> In the old versions I change the initrd data
[15:09] <k1l> hi. has there been some discussion or decision on changing the support timeframes since ubuntu is changing them from 13.04 on? regarding the lts support time frame
[15:09] <steve_deft> but now dosn't work!
[15:09] <melodie> anyhow I didn't put up an alternate version, and there are still details to fix in that one (decoration mainly, and more testing would be appreciated too)
[15:09] <posix> can you private msg me your email address? we would get back at you then, perhaps
[15:10] <melodie> posix we can talk privately about that
[15:11] <posix> melodie: also, the board was relatively old and would only boot from usb sticks if formatted with FAT, not FAT32. it seemed to have very low transfer rates which made installation take forever before it crashed
[15:17] <steve_deft> no one know how I can customize the default username and hostname on a live cd session?
[15:17] <steve_deft> from the 12.10
[15:19] <melodie> steve_deft
[15:19] <melodie> what steps have you taken ?
[15:21] <steve_deft> In the past I have modified the initrd. The file was /etc/casper.comf
[15:21] <steve_deft> Now dosn't work
[15:21] <steve_deft> melodie
[15:21] <melodie> steve_deft I have seen some files to be changed
[15:22] <melodie> what tools do you use the redo the iso ?
[15:22] <steve_deft> vim :-)
[15:22] <steve_deft> melodie
[15:22] <steve_deft> ah sorry
[15:22] <steve_deft> mkiso
[15:22] <steve_deft> I customize all without remaster systems
[15:25] <steve_deft> melodie
[15:25] <melodie> hummm
[15:29] <phillw> k1l: lubuntu do not have an LTS out. Nearer the release time of 14.04 a decision will be made.
[15:29] <k1l> phillw: ok
[23:11] <Kryst> Hi all
[23:12] <Kryst> I've just install Lubuntu but i have a problem
[23:12] <Kryst> I can't open it, i put my login and password
[23:12] <Kryst> but he stay on bios
[23:12] <holstein> Kryst: were you able to boot the live CD?
[23:12] <holstein> !nomodeset
[23:13] <holstein> though, if its stuck on the bios, that makes me think its a hardware issue
[23:13] <Kryst> hmm okay thanks, but i can see that "myloginname@lubuntu$:
[23:13] <Kryst> or something like this
[23:14] <Kryst> not sure
[23:14] <holstein> Kryst: that is not the bios
[23:14] <Kryst> ?
[23:14] <holstein> Kryst: if you are on the bios, it will be the bios.. username@hostname is *not* the bios
[23:15] <melodie> Kryst this is a terminal
[23:15] <melodie> Kryst which version of Lubuntu is this ?
[23:15] <Kryst> 12.10
[23:15] <melodie> Kryst try to type this:
[23:15] <melodie> sudo service lightdm restart
[23:16] <melodie> and tell us what it does
[23:16] <Kryst> okay i will be back thx
[23:24] <Kryst> re
[23:25] <Kryst> okay i try   !nomodeset but nothing apear and i test sudo service lightdm restart
[23:25] <Kryst> and i have a list with all "ok"
[23:25] <Kryst> and nothing avec "stopping save kernel messages (ok) "
[23:26] <Kryst> after *
[23:26] <holstein> Kryst: did you get to a live desktop from the live CD?
[23:27] <Kryst> sorry 'i'm not sure to understand, but i use dameon tools with iso files for the install
[23:27] <holstein> Kryst: i get the live CD, and try and boot to the live desktop, so i know if the graphics hardware is supported well
[23:27] <melodie> Kryst you confuse two things
[23:28] <melodie> holstein have u seen what Kryst tried to do ?
[23:28] <melodie> he understands not what we try to make him do so not too fast!
[23:28] <Kryst> ^^
[23:28] <Kryst> sorry i'm not english and i don't always understand all
[23:28] <melodie> Kryst holstein has send "!nomodeset" as a command to the bot of the present channel, to send you read a doc
[23:29] <melodie> not for you to repeat in the live cd
[23:29] <Kryst> aah ok ahah
[23:29] <Kryst> thx !
[23:29] <melodie> I have given you the said command to put aftyer username@machine$
[23:29] <Kryst> !nomodeset
[23:29] <melodie> after
[23:29] <holstein> Kryst: the purpose of nomodeset is to provide support for unsupported graphics hardware
[23:29] <melodie> the next time you will get there
[23:29] <melodie> Kryst do you have a nvidia card on that machine ?
[23:30] <Kryst> i have no graphic card
[23:30] <melodie> I suspect if you have a nvidia graphic card
[23:31] <melodie> yes your machine does have one
[23:31] <melodie> :)
[23:31] <melodie> lol
[23:31] <melodie> first time someone tells me that :D
[23:31] <melodie> in...
[23:31] <Kryst> i have an asus eee pc lol
[23:31] <holstein> Kryst: are you in the terminal now? the "username@hostname" screen?
[23:31] <melodie> 9 years time
[23:31] <Kryst> i have to restart the computer for this
[23:31] <melodie> Kryst ok so i'll look at the web what graphics are used in there
[23:31] <holstein> Kryst: i have a lot of those
[23:32] <melodie> all machines have a graphic card, even included in the cpu for some of them
[23:32] <Kryst> yes sure melodie
[23:32] <Kryst> intel share card
[23:33] <Kryst> included in the cpu
[23:33] <melodie> ok!
[23:33] <Kryst> asus eee pc 1025C
[23:33] <Kryst> sorry holstein what do you said ?
[23:33] <holstein> Kryst: the eeepc's.. i have 4
[23:33] <Kryst> i dont understand what is mean " i have a lot of those é
[23:33] <Kryst> "
[23:34] <smoke_> smoke
[23:34] <holstein> Kryst: 4.. four of those machines... eeepc's
[23:34] <Kryst> ah ok !
[23:36] <Kryst> sorry i have to go but brb fast, trying something
[23:36] <melodie> Kryst you said you have installed : how was it while in the Live ? was it working normally ?
[23:36] <melodie> ?
[23:36] <melodie> uh