[00:15] <minashokry> Hello, is there a way to get pidgin tray icon back in 13.04?
[00:17] <graingert> minashokry: only the messaging menu in 13.04
[00:17] <graingert> minashokry: I believe the option to have tray applets got removed
[00:17] <graingert> minashokry: once everyone stopped using java and skype added support for Indicators
[00:18] <minashokry> graingert: but the tray icon is a critical feature to know who is talking while their chat windows are in background, what are alternatives?
[00:19] <graingert> minashokry: Indicator Applet
[00:19] <graingert> that works?
[00:19] <graingert> no?
[00:19] <minashokry> which on exactly is the indicator-applet? the one with the letter icon?
[00:20] <graingert> minashokry: pidgin should integrate with the mesaging inidcator applet
[00:20] <graingert> yeah
[00:20] <graingert> that
[00:20] <graingert> Pidgin should be there
[00:20] <graingert> otherwise stick with the dire horribleness that is empathy
[00:20] <minashokry> it works but pidgin tray itself was much better
[00:21] <minashokry> anyway, thanks
[00:21] <graingert> minashokry: :(
[00:21] <graingert> I know
[00:21] <graingert> we can all shed a tear for the system tray
[00:22] <minashokry> so are there problems between tray and java? you mentioned something like that?
[00:22] <graingert> Java has an api for using system trays on any operating system
[00:22] <graingert> doesn't work in ubuntu
[00:22] <graingert> 'cause ___ you that's why
[00:22] <minashokry> since java 6 it has
[00:23] <graingert> minashokry: Ubuntu has added an exception for it
[00:23] <graingert> till 13.04 when they binned it
[00:24] <minashokry> why ubuntu developers hate the tray? :$
[00:25] <bjsnider> because there were no set standards for it, so anyone could make their icon do whatever they wanted, and it caused inconsistencies and hurt the user experience
[00:25] <bjsnider> amongst other things
[00:25] <bjsnider> there have been many blog posts and articles about this
[00:26] <bjsnider> it's also called the notification area
[00:26] <bjsnider> system tray is an unofficial windows name
[00:26] <minashokry> but completely disabling it hurts too!
[00:27] <minashokry> this is the worst surprise ever I got when I upgraded an ubuntu release
[01:37] <Kow> are the KDE devs still in the process of porting the codebase to QT5? i do recall that KWin was an issue
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> Kow, try #kde
[07:03] <sqlp-> anyone having problems with rythmbox?
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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[15:36] <mneuro> Will the daily build of 13.04 64 bit install and dual boot with a secure boot enabled Windows 8 install?
[16:13] <tyrog> I am having segmentation fault when running skype in 13.04. Any fix for this? thanks
[16:15] <k1l> tyrog: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327
[16:19] <tyrog> k1l: thanks. That fixed it for me :)
[17:02] <SuperLag> is there a kernel option you can pass to GRUB that will disable usage of swap?
[17:04] <sary> Salutaions!
[17:04] <sary> I've successfully upgraded from 12.04 to 13.04, is it okay to  install ubuntu-gnome metapackages! are there any known issue i  should know about ?
[17:46] <bcurtiswx> any google docs integration in raring (like gnome-documents) ?
[17:48] <bazhang_> bcurtiswx, apt-cache search google brings up some results
[17:52] <bcurtiswx> hmm, i see something close, but no nautilus integration.. Seems that will be raring+1 with gnome-documents
[17:52] <bcurtiswx> maybe
[18:13] <SuperLag> If you try dpkg --set-selections < saved_package_list and it says 'package not in database' for every line... how do you fix that?
[18:13] <SuperLag> I've already done an apt-get update, after the install was complete.
[21:41] <Ponch0> my software updater gets stuck on applying changes.. is there anyway to update manually?
[21:48] <bjsnider> Ponch0, open a terminal, typ sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:49] <Ponch0> bjsnider: I always forget about upgrade and type - update.. thanks
[21:58] <Ponch0> ok after updating/upgrading I seem to have some issue with cups/dpkg?
[23:25] <roasted> hello
[23:25] <roasted> any of you cool cats running Google Chrome on 13.04?
[23:31] <roasted> I'm trying to install Google Chrome. It of course fails, requiring apt-get install -f, and it prompts me with 163MB that needs to be downloaded. I hit Y and it simply says processing triggers and 2 seconds later returns to the regular prompt.
[23:42] <roasted> :)
[23:52] <sary> hi again roasted :)
[23:53] <roasted> hi
[23:53] <sary> you mean the open source edition " Chromium " !
[23:53] <roasted> samba is proving to be quite a train wreck in 13.04
[23:53] <roasted> no
[23:53] <roasted> Chrome
[23:54] <sary> okay , installing it from a deb package or from PPA !
[23:54] <roasted> .deb