[04:47] <vibhav> j #Ubuntu-release
[11:56] <hggdh> WARNING TO SAILORS: eeeBotu is down due to a NIC failure; expected recovery is 12 hours
[11:58] <melodie> hi
[12:33] <vibhav> hggdh: heh
[12:35] <melodie> hi
[12:35] <melodie> hi hggdh I just asked my question of yesterday on the #ubuntu-desktop chan
[12:36] <melodie> hggdh my final goal would be to get the two icons which are here : http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/bento2/04-bento2.png to the installed version. If someone knows how I could achieve this ?
[15:28] <chrisle> I need help with a bug I reported has someone from the bug team a few minutes ;-)
[15:29] <chrisle> the bug number is 1161916
[15:48] <bdmurray> bug 1161916
[15:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161916 in unity (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in sigc::internal::slot_call0<unity::launcher::VolumeImp::Impl::Impl()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161916
[15:52] <melodie> I am trying Ubuntu Raring in vbox now, and once installed zram-config, the zram-config service does not start
[15:52] <melodie> there is no upstart job for it
[15:52] <melodie> this version is much too heavy for my vbox machine so I would need zram to be loaded, configured and working
[15:53] <melodie> and as I am unable to find the terminal in that kind of desktop I went to a tty to install the zram-config package and try to make it run
[15:54] <ogra_> melodie, hmm, zram-config didnt change in ages , there should ber an upstart job still
[15:54] <melodie> ogra_ I'll pass on a link to a pic in a few seconds
[15:56] <ogra_> it hasnt even had one upload this cycle ... and i know we use it on the nexus7 images without issues
[15:56] <melodie> ogasawara http://meets.free.fr/images/ubuntu-raring-zram_module.png
[15:56] <melodie> sorry
[15:56] <melodie> ogra_ http://meets.free.fr/images/ubuntu-raring-zram_module.png
[15:56] <melodie> it should have been started once installed
[15:57] <melodie> however the nice devs doing the package put a "feature" to make it not used in a live when there is 512 GB minimum
[15:57] <melodie> so when I went to put a bug report to ask to remove the limit, my bug report was closed as "won't fix"!
[15:58] <ogra_> melodie, i would blame your kernel for missing support, check the logs
[15:58] <melodie> then I asked to reopen it and get at least 1 Gb as limit but
[15:58] <ogra_> look in /var/log/upstart/
[15:58] <ogra_> there should be a zram specific file
[15:59] <melodie> ogra_ not the kernel, the dev of the zram module : he told me in a mail more than one year ago that he didn't have time to make it get out of the staging directory
[15:59] <melodie> and I have been using zram for years in several distros without any hickups
[15:59] <ogra_> well, ubuntu kernels usually have it enabled from staging
[15:59] <melodie> and so did many other people while using remixes I did with another distribution
[16:00] <ogra_> if it isnt, and you actually use a packaged ubuntu kernel thats definitely a bug
[16:00] <melodie> ogra_ look in the... /usr/share/initramfs hooks directory I think
[16:00] <melodie> ogra_ you mean there might be a bug in the today's raring iso ?
[16:00] <ogra_> melodie, oh, you are trying the wrong thing (/me only looked at that screenshot  closer now)
[16:00] <ogra_> there are no upstart jobs in /etc/init.d
[16:01] <melodie> have you seen in the pic, the zram module was
[16:01] <melodie> ...
[16:01] <ogra_> sudo service zram-config start
[16:01] <ogra_> (teh job lives in /etc/init/ (no .d))
[16:01] <melodie> service zram-config start sends back an error : this is the first thing I tried
[16:02] <ogra_> well, check the upstart logfile
[16:02] <melodie> wait a sec
[16:02] <melodie> plse
[16:02] <ogra_> it should have all the output of the script
[16:02] <ogra_> there is definitely a bug somewhere ... not sure it is in zram or the kernel though
[16:02] <melodie> ogra_ :
[16:02] <melodie> as root (did a sudo -s):
[16:03] <melodie> service zram-config start
[16:03] <melodie> start: Unknown job: zram-config
[16:03] <melodie> this is the message I got
[16:03] <ogra_> and zram-config is installed ?
[16:03] <ogra_> do you see /etc/init/zram-config.conf ?
[16:04] <melodie> of course sir ! I installed it first, before sendig all the commands
[16:04] <melodie> yes I see it
[16:04] <ogra_> weird
[16:04] <melodie> I'll have to leave soon to bring someone to the train station but will be back later
[16:04] <bdmurray> is it not found by the init system
[16:04] <melodie> ogra_ this can be checked easily
[16:05] <ogra_> well, in any case file a bug
[16:05] <bdmurray> Aren't inotify watches used to discover services?
[16:05] <melodie> ogra_ I have a little collection of bugs to report, so will I
[16:05] <ogra_> i thought so
[16:05] <melodie> bbl
[16:06] <bdmurray> and inotify doesn't work on live cds
[16:07] <ogra_> oh
[16:07] <ogra_> we're on a live cd ?
[16:07]  * ogra_ thought that was a VM install
[16:08] <bdmurray> oh, I might have missed that
[16:09] <ogra_> well ... or i missed something :)
[16:10] <ogra_> " I am trying Ubuntu Raring in vbox now, and once installed zram-config, the zram-config service does not start" ... doesnt tell if its installed or not
[16:13] <bdmurray> initctl list and looking for zram config would probably be helpful
[16:14] <ogra_> yeah
[16:14] <ogra_> the package definitely didnt change since precise ... it had exactly one upload (and one revision)
[17:11] <melodie> I'm back
[17:12] <melodie> bdmurray I will restart vbox with Ubuntu Raring Live now and check "initctl list" as you said earlier
[17:27] <bdmurray> melodie: is it on a live system?
[17:28] <melodie> bdmurray yes
[17:28] <melodie> I said it: "with Ubuntu Raring Live"
[17:28] <melodie> :)
[17:29] <bdmurray> okay, that's not surprising then
[17:30] <melodie> bdmurray why that ?
[17:31] <melodie> I have set up an ubuntu precise version with openbox and zram works there, in live as well as in install, so why could it work in ubuntu raring ?
[17:31] <bdmurray> because upstart uses inotify to become aware of new jobs and inotify doesn't work on overlayfs
[17:31] <bdmurray> bug 882147
[17:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 882147 in coreutils (Ubuntu) "overlayfs does not implement inotify interfaces correctly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882147
[17:31] <melodie> ok
[17:32] <bdmurray> after install zram-config run sudo initctl reload-configuration
[17:32] <melodie> ok
[17:32] <melodie> I will
[17:32] <bdmurray> if it doesn't appear in initctl list
[17:32] <melodie> ok
[17:34] <melodie> it doesn't appear, I also filtered with grep and zram to be sure
[17:36] <melodie> bdmurray that worked !
[17:37] <melodie> bdmurray so if this is related to a bug already reported, I don't have to report one more, is that correct ?
[17:39] <bdmurray> melodie: that is correct
[17:39] <melodie> ok
[17:40] <melodie> bdmurray in Precise I didn't meet with this, which might be because in the openbox version I did, I have added the service start line into rc.local : what do you think ?
[17:40] <melodie> and also I removed the "under 512 MB" limit...
[17:57] <melodie> bdmurray you can look at zram in action here: http://meets.free.fr/images/ubuntu-raring-htop-zram.png
[17:58] <melodie> :)
[17:58] <melodie> unfortunately I could not downsize it due to impossibility to update initramfs in a live (after downsizing to 25% in the initramfs.conf file)
[17:59] <melodie> so now I'll install the live, and make a new pic related to the directory "Desktop", afterwards
[19:46] <melodie> It seems that in Ubuntu Unity Raring the Alt-F2 command does not allow to start an application. I had to use the dash instead and fell nose to nose to that lens thing as you can see here:
[19:46] <melodie> http://meets.free.fr/images/Raring/ubuntu-raring-seeking-for-a-terminal.png
[19:46] <melodie> :s
[19:47] <ogra_> alt-f2 opens the dash since quite a while
[19:48] <melodie> ogra_ and when I tried to call for terminal, that didn't start the terminal, and it showed the wheels as icon, then tried to click on it, and nothing happened
[19:49] <ogra_> that sounds like a bug then
[19:49] <melodie> one more ?
[19:49] <ogra_> alk-f2 shoould give you the dash ... like in your screenhot
[19:49] <melodie> I would need to check in a real machine but I don't have one with enough resource connected and ready to go for now
[19:50] <ogra_> if it shows something else thats wrong
[19:50] <ogra_> *alt
[19:50] <melodie> it opens a field where I can type my command, but once typed and once some icons coming up, I can't get the app to start
[19:52] <ogra_> yeah, thats a bug then
[19:53] <melodie> for the time being I am after getting it installed to vbox, and then make a pic of the desktop inside the /home/user
[19:54] <melodie> then a bug report needs to be done about the Desktop directory not being in my language in the live... then I'll see what next bug I am able to report...
[19:55] <melodie> my host is an archlinux box with openbox environmenet, in a 2 Gb machine, which leaves for now 750 mb to the guest machine
[19:56] <melodie> I'll check again after install
[20:33] <melodie> after install in vbox, Ubuntu did not start lightdm, it stayed with a black screen. So I went to a tty and used the command line provided to me earlier by bdmurray :
 after install zram-config run sudo initctl reload-configuration
[20:34] <melodie> I did just initctl reload-configuration as root, and restarted lightdm : otherwise it didn't want to restart. Now I will be able to login (I think... )
[22:45] <melodie> ogra_ bdmurray finally reported : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs-gtk/+bug/1163043
[22:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1163043 in xdg-user-dirs-gtk "Directory Desktop stays in English in the Live CD's" [Undecided,New]