[01:44] <roasted> hello friends
[01:44] <roasted> I just added the gnome3 and gnome3-staging PPAs for ubuntu gnome 13.04, but I'm still getting gnome 3.7
[01:44] <roasted> every guide on the planet said those 2 PPAs = Gnome 3.8. What am I missing?
[01:49] <jbicha> roasted: GNOME 3.7 basically is 3.8 https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/
[01:49] <tyrog> roasted: Nothing. You have 3.8. The release candidate of it to be more precise :)
[01:50] <jbicha> until we figure out https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696981 you probably won't get gnome-shell 3.8.0 though
[01:50] <ubot5> Gnome bug 696981 in general "many keyboard shortcuts stopped working with 3.8.0 on Ubuntu" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[01:50] <tyrog> jbicha: do you recommend keeping using the staging ppa in the following weeks as more packages move to gnome3 ppa or drop it?
[01:52] <jbicha> tyrog: uh, some things in the staging ppa are broken so I only recommend it if you can deal with that and know how to use ppa-purge
[01:53] <tyrog> jbicha: I do. But gnome3 ppa by itself provides gnome 3.8 already? Recent snapshots of the shell, extensions and all that stuff, I mean
[01:53] <jbicha> I don't think we'll push gnome-control-center 3.8 to the regular gnome3 ppa this month or the next because it needs a lot of work
[01:54] <tyrog> In what aspects?
[01:54] <jbicha> the latest version of gnome-shell and extensions that works is in the regular gnome3 ppa
[01:55] <jbicha> auto-suspend is broken without logind, external Settings panels don't work, OnlyShowIn (to hide some panels in certain desktops) is broken, several Ubuntu patches need to be rewritten, etc.
[01:56] <tyrog> that happens with the control center 3.8 from staging ppa?
[01:56] <jbicha> yes, also Unity has some major issues with gnome-settings-daemon 3.8
[01:57] <tyrog> jbicha: Will you be able to put only one of the instances of "Online Accounts" in the control center, instead of 2?
[01:58] <jbicha> no, that's a complicated problem since neither goa nor uoa support every app we need
[01:58] <tyrog> And the language installer from Ubuntu doesn't work in Gnome 3.8 right? At least I can't find mine after the upgrade to 3.8. Using raring
[02:00] <jbicha> tyrog: you can install language-selector-gnome and run gnome-language-selector manually from the command line
[02:00] <jbicha> we need to add that to our release notes since others will have that same question
[02:01] <tyrog> jbicha: Done :) . Very easy. But why does the application get removed from the menu/activities?
[02:01] <jbicha> setting the language also doesn't work right with g-c-c 3.8 (lots of regressions... :( )
[02:02] <jbicha> but I think it works fine in System Settings in 3.6
[02:02] <Ponch0> also becareful with updates, they may remove ur hnome install and reinstall unity
[02:02] <tyrog> Ponch0: That happened to you?
[02:03] <Ponch0> yesterday
[02:03] <tyrog> jbicha: Another bug I'm facing, don't know if it is related to the packaging of gnome3 in ubuntu or if is upstream. In classic mode, the notification bar is always up when in youtube watching fullscreen videos :)
[02:03] <tyrog> Didn't try that in the Shell yet
[02:04] <roasted> I don't understand. The same PPAs in Ubuntu give me 3.8.0.1. Do the PPAs auto detect Ubuntu vs Ubuntu GNOME to decide who gets what?
[02:04] <jbicha> tyrog: uh it should show in the Activities Overview at least, could you file a bug against language-selector-gnome? I'm assuming it shows with gnome-shell 3.6 just not with 3.8
[02:04] <tyrog> roasted: No, they simply compare the package versions I think
[02:05] <roasted> tyrog: so is it considered odd that I got 3.8.0.1 on Ubuntu and 3.7 on Ubuntu Gnome? (both 13.04, both with Gnome3 and Gnome3-staging PPAs)
[02:05] <roasted> or expected behavior?
[02:05] <tyrog> jbicha: Yes, shows in 3.6, not in 3.8
[02:06] <tyrog> roasted: What do you mean by 3.8? The shell? Or what? Any way, both Ubuntus should give you the same version
[02:07] <jbicha> tyrog: could you try downgrading all your gnome-menus packages to the 3.6 versions?
[02:08] <jbicha> tyrog: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+sourcepub/3008532/+listing-archive-extra gives a list of the affected package names
[02:09] <jbicha> I'm thinking that GNOME doesn't like something in the Categories line of language-selector.desktop
[02:24] <roasted> tyrog: an hour ago I had Ubuntu 13.04 64 bit running on this laptop. I added the gnome3 and gnome3-staging PPAs. I ran update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, and got 3.8.0.1. On this same laptop, now, I did the same thing. Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 64 bit, gnome3 and gnome3-staging, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade.... 3.7
[02:25] <roasted> I'm having lag when I search for applications, so I was hoping that was a 3.7 thing solved by 3.8, but if I can't get 3.8 (even though I just had 3.8...)........ meh.
[02:25] <tyrog> You shouldn't use staging anyways. It contains some broken packages as jbicha said
[02:25] <roasted> oh, okay. I'll just ppa-purge it.
[02:26] <roasted> but would the regular gnome3 ppa give me 3.7 or 3.8?
[02:26] <tyrog> jbicha: I downgraded menus to the version on the gnome3 ppa and language selector now appears in the menu :)
[02:26] <tyrog> roasted: Don't worry, it will give the best 3.8 they have managed to package at the moment. 3.8 is still very new, not many distros have it
[02:27] <roasted> tyrog: right. I get that. I'm just saying, I duplicated identical efforts in ubuntu and ubuntu gnome, and ubuntu gave me 3.8 and ubuntu gnome gave me 3.7. That was just confusing me a bit.
[02:27] <tyrog> jbicha: fonts problem in the ubuntu software center, do you also have it?
[02:29] <tyrog> roasted: If you want to use GNOME, just use Ubuntu Gnome. If you want to use both Unity and Gnome Shell/Classic, then use Ubuntu. But Unity will probably break with the update through ppa, as it is 3.6-based.
[02:29] <roasted> tyrog: right, and I'm using Ubuntu Gnome...
[02:30] <roasted> The thing is, Ubuntu with these PPAs (so far) actually gave me a better Gnome experience, as Gnome Shell wasn't freezing whenever I searched for an application.
[02:30] <roasted> Hence my interest in getting it to 3.8 as I thought it was a 3.7 issue.
[02:30] <tyrog> roasted: reinstall Ubuntu gnome, and add only the gnome3 ppa, then dist-upgrade. Then if you have bugs, report them :)
[02:31] <roasted> I am on Ubuntu Gnome.
[02:31] <roasted> I'll ppa-purge staging and see if that helps.
[02:32] <tyrog> like jbicha said, 3.7 IS 3.8. The packages currently on the gnome3 ppa are the latest ones known to work with less bugs
[02:32] <roasted> okay
[02:33] <tyrog> I have used both versions from gnome3 ppa and staging, and even the gnome testing ppa, and all of them provide the same gnome shell if that is what you want to know :)
[02:35] <roasted> what I don't get is this... Ubuntu 13.04 + gnome3 + gnome3-staging = gnome 3.8.0.1. Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 + gnome3 + gnome3-staging = gnome 3.7.92. That's what confused me.
[02:37] <tyrog> roasted: Gnome staging doesn't have packages that change the version of gnome 3 from the one that is currently in Gnome3 ppa
[02:38] <jbicha> roasted: you're confused, gnome-shell 3.8.0.1 has not been uploaded to either of the gnome3 ppa's because there are some problems with the new version
[02:38] <tyrog> jbicha: do you have the bug with the fonts in USC?
[02:38] <tyrog> and flash in fullscreen?
[02:39] <tyrog> roasted: It should be 3.7.92, not 3.8. If you have 3.8, then you are using any other PPA
[02:40] <jbicha> tyrog: if you mean in the USC sidebar, yes
[02:40] <roasted> I'm not confused over anything. I put Ubuntu 13.04, gnome3, and gnome3-staging on this laptop like 6 times. Each time, 3.8.0.1
[02:40] <roasted> There's no confusion over that. It's what I experienced multiple times.
[02:40] <roasted> That's why I was confused with Ubuntu Gnome, as I hit 3.7 and kind of thought, well that's odd...
[02:40] <tyrog> jbicha: The fonts in the categories.
[02:40] <tyrog> roasted: you ARE confused, because 3.8 is NOT in the gnome3 ppa
[02:40] <jbicha> tyrog: could you file that bug too? ;)
[02:41] <tyrog> 3.8 FINAL, to be more precise
[02:41] <jbicha> roasted: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages?field.name_filter=gnome-shell&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=raring
[02:41] <roasted> then it must have been in gnome3-staging
[02:41] <roasted> I added those TWO PPAs
[02:41] <roasted> and got 3.8.0.1 I'm 100% positive of it.
[02:41] <tyrog> roasted: It isn't there either
[02:41] <jbicha> roasted: maybe you were using the ricotz testing ppa?
[02:41] <tyrog> probably
[02:41] <roasted> I used ricotz on my initial install of my deskteop, but not on my laptop.
[02:42] <roasted> all of the guides I read said for Ubuntu 13.04 to use those two PPAs, hence why I only added those two on thi slaptop.
[02:42] <roasted> And bingo. Just like the guides said, I got 3.8
[02:42] <tyrog> roasted: what packages are you checking?
[02:42] <roasted> checking?
[02:42] <tyrog> the versions
[02:42] <roasted> gnome-shell --version
[02:43] <roasted> via terminal
[02:43] <jbicha> roasted: please run apt-cache policy gnome-shell
[02:43] <roasted> well, I just purged staging on this laptop. would that matter?
[02:43] <tyrog> roasted: no, but you should purge it anyways
[02:44] <roasted> yeah, I just meant in reference to running apt-cache
[02:44] <roasted> what are you wanting to see from this?
[02:44] <tyrog> roasted: gnome3-staging doesn't have gnome-shell at all.
[02:44] <roasted> I installed gnome-shell
[02:44] <jbicha> roasted: that will tell you what version of gnome-shell is available and where it came from
[02:45] <tyrog> 3.8 is ONLY in ricotz ppa
[02:45] <roasted> jbicha: oh, I see. This was from my install earlier on this laptop. I formatted Ubuntu in favor of Ubuntu GNOME.
[02:45] <roasted> tyrog: okay, well, I somehow found 3.8 without ricotz on 13.04.
[02:45] <roasted> from gnome-shell --version, at least. :)
[02:46] <roasted> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/03/gnome-38-beta-available-in-ppa-for.html
[02:47] <tyrog> that is 3.7.x, which is THE SAME as 3.8. It is the dev version that ended with 3.8
[02:47] <roasted> would it be possible it flagged 3.8.0.1 from gnome-shell --version then?
[02:47] <tyrog> tell the outputs of that command, and the one jbicha told before
[02:48] <roasted> tyrog: I can't. This is from an install I formatted earlier.
[02:48] <roasted> tyrog: I had installed Ubuntu 13.04 on this laptop about 4 separate times, each time adding gnome3 and gnome3-staging to do different testing and messing around.  I formatted it today for Ubuntu Gnome.
[02:48] <roasted> I was just tossing that comment around since I was a little confused over that. But in the end it doesn't matter that much. :D
[02:48] <tyrog> roasted: Dont worry about it then. Just use the Gnome3 PPA
[02:49] <roasted> tyrog: already on it ;)
[02:49] <tyrog> roasted: can you open a video on youtube, in fullscreen, and tell me if you get the notification bar down in the screen?
[02:50] <roasted> I do have to admit, this freezing I'm getting when searching for applications is enough for me to put Ubuntu back in and just PPA gnome on that side.
[02:50] <tyrog> roasted: After purging staging, you should reboot
[02:50] <roasted> I see no notification bar
[02:51] <roasted> would I have to run another upgrade or dist-upgrade to correct things?
[02:51] <roasted> after the purge?
[02:51] <roasted> or does ppa-purge automagically do that?
[02:51] <tyrog> supposedly no
[02:51] <roasted> sounds good - brb.
[02:51] <tyrog> but there is nothing wrong with trying the dist-upgrade after purging...
[02:53] <roasted> hm, I got the freeze one time, but with 8 other appications so far, nadda.
[02:53] <tyrog> freezes are normal with these all around search tools like unity and gnome shell
[02:54] <roasted> I see - I just never saw it before, on 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, etc :P
[02:54] <roasted> seems to be better now, but I'll try a dist-upgrade and see how it fairs.
[02:54] <tyrog> brb - going to test the shell
[02:55] <Ponch0> how do I reinstall gnome shell along side ubuntu since it was removed last night?
[02:56] <Ponch0> both PPAs are already in
[02:58] <roasted> freezing is back. I didn't have this on ubuntu with gnome 3. :(((((
[03:03] <jbicha> Ponch0: I recommend installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:05] <Ponch0> jbicha thanks
[03:05] <Ponch0> it doesn't work.
[03:06] <jbicha> could you post the errors you get then?
[03:08] <Ponch0> E: Invalid operation ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:08] <roasted> is gnome-clocks currently broken?
[03:08] <jbicha> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:08] <Ponch0> it was yes
[03:08] <roasted> getting TypeError: Argument 1 does not allow None as a value
[03:08] <roasted> via terminal
[03:09] <roasted> for 'gnome-clocks'
[03:09] <roasted> (with a bunch of other crap too)
[03:09] <Ponch0> heh duh thanks
[03:15] <Ponch0> everythings back to normal, thank you flying spaghetti monster
[03:17] <roasted> was the battery indicator broken in 3.7?
[03:17] <Ponch0> it was for me
[03:17] <roasted> great...
[03:17] <Ponch0> it's fine now
[03:18] <roasted> in 3.7.92?
[03:18] <Ponch0> yup
[03:18] <roasted> I'm just flat out not seeing it right now
[03:18] <roasted> and I'm on battery power
[03:18] <roasted> maybe another reboot is in order?
[03:18] <Ponch0> yeah I was missing it for awhile also
[03:19] <Ponch0> I think it's a theme that was messing with it, but I forgot at this point
[03:19] <roasted> I'm fully updated, still not seeing it. let me change the theme though.
[03:20] <Ponch0> yeah i'm not a 100% but I think that was the culprit
[03:20] <roasted> ah yes
[03:21] <roasted> froze for 10 seconds while typing "tweak" in search
[03:21] <Ponch0> I don't get that either but I never had that issue besides an occasional freeze, or if the computer went Idle it always froze
[03:21] <roasted> I get short blips of lag when I type in the search
[03:22] <roasted> like I'll type firefox and it'll do firef
[03:22] <roasted> and sit there for a few esconds
[03:22] <roasted> or synaptic... synapt (for a few seconds)
[03:23] <Ponch0> I understand,, I don't have that issue.
[03:23] <Ponch0> just when computer goes idle i pretty much have to restart.
[03:23] <roasted> I didn't have that issue on ubuntu with gnome3, but I have it on ubuntu-gnome with gnome3.
[03:23] <roasted> meh. maybe with the next update.
[03:24] <roasted> also, I changed my theme to the only other default one available - simple - no battery icon, but accessibility comes back with that theme, and goes away with adwaita again
[03:24] <Ponch0> roasted: I don't have the issue of computer pretty much blanking out in idle when I have ubuntu with gnome 3
[03:24] <roasted> Ponch0: so you're on Ubuntu... not Ubuntu-Gnome?
[03:25] <Ponch0> I'm on ubuntu 13.04 that has unity as alternative at log in
[03:25] <Ponch0> i pretty much have 2 choices log into the ubuntu to desktop or gnome desktop.
[03:26] <roasted> yeah
[03:26] <roasted> I wanted a pure gnome expeirence, that's why I tried ubuntu gnome
[03:26] <roasted> but if this lapotp locks up once more I'll be formatting it
[03:27] <Ponch0> yeah I understand, at the time when I installed the new ubuntu non of the other versions of ubuntu were working with my hardware.
[03:27] <Ponch0> so I took the first ISO i found.
[03:27] <Ponch0> I did remove the ubuntu desktop and only had ubuntu-gnome but yesterday an update removed gnome and reinstalled the ubuntu unity desktop
[03:29] <roasted> just made sure I was fully updated and rebooted - still no battery indicator.
[03:30] <roasted> does the gnome3 ppa get me 3.7 on ubuntu 12.10?
[03:30] <Ponch0> i udnno 12.10 doeskt work with my hardware
[03:31] <Ponch0> just do what I did. install ubuntu 13.04 with unity and than install gnome along side
[03:31] <Ponch0> also the current theme i'm using that shows battery is called "numix"
[03:32] <roasted> numix... k I'll check into that
[03:32] <Ponch0> im pretty sure I got it from webupd8
[03:32] <roasted> I just tried 3 different themes and I didn't see the battery indicator
[03:32] <roasted> you'd think the default one would work
[03:33] <Ponch0> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/03/beautiful-numix-gtk3-theme-released.html
[03:33] <Ponch0> i actually don't like the battery indicator cuz i'm always plugged in but I like the theme
[03:34] <roasted> numix installed
[03:34] <roasted> no battery indicator
[03:34] <roasted> nice
[03:36] <Ponch0> hm that's what did it for me I'm pretty sure, I dunno :(
[08:36] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[11:16] <dupondje> Anyone has empathy running on Raring ? :s
[13:41] <roasted> dupondje: I have empathy running with raring for gtalk and facebook.
[13:43] <roasted> I find it a little confusing that I have new icon themes installed to /usr/share/icons and tweak tool is not changing them as it should. <_<
[13:51] <roasted> well, this is interesting.
[13:52] <roasted> A friend of mine and I have been doing some tinkering with Gnome. We've been bouncing between Ubuntu+Gnome3 PPA and UbuntuGNOME+Gnome3 PPA to find the differences and whether one works better for our uses than the other, etc.
[13:52] <roasted> Both he and I have experienced random lag in the activities menu with UbuntuGNOME 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA, where we would type something like, firefox... but it'd be firef(3-4 second lag)ox.
[13:52] <roasted> We're also missing battery indicator icons.
[13:53] <roasted> Now I understand this is a 13.04 spin so it's not finalized, but I do find it odd how in Ubuntu with the same PPA, the speed is improved (zero lag) and the battery icon is there.
[13:53] <roasted> Is this some sort of bug that I should report or am I sounding like a broken record player where you guys heard this all before and it's an active issue being worked on?
[13:58] <jbicha> roasted: Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME are the same, Ubuntu GNOME just installs different packages by default (ubuntu-gnome-desktop) and has some different default settings (ubuntu-gnome-default-settings)
[13:59] <roasted> jbicha: so does it strike you as odd that more than 1 user has experienced the identical lag symptoms on UbuntuGNOME + Gnome PPA that does not exist with Ubuntu + Gnome PPA?
[14:00] <jbicha> roasted: my instinct is that it is a coincidence
[14:01] <roasted> jbicha: I find it a little strange that I duplicated it on two systems here and another user some 1,200 miles away managed to follow the same steps and ran into it.
[14:01] <roasted> Just my 2c.
[14:05] <jbicha> there's a general lag problem, perhaps mozjs17 helps
[14:06] <roasted> I don't understand what you mean by that jbicha
[14:08] <jbicha> there is a lag problem and I don't think it matter whether you have Ubuntu + gnome-shell or Ubuntu GNOME
[14:08] <roasted> Oh, I see what you mean.
[14:09] <roasted> I don't know, I found it to be rather cut and dry since I've done a dozen installs of Ubuntu vs UbuntuGNOME in the last week.
[14:09] <jbicha> a new version of the mozjs library may help with that problem but it's a bit late for that to show up in the regular Ubuntu repositories
[14:09] <roasted> well, that's depressing.
[14:09] <jbicha> I think we'll use it in the GNOME3 PPA though
[14:09] <roasted> I wonder if there's SOMETHING else that could explain it.
[14:10] <roasted> Like I said, UbuntuGNOME... lag... Ubuntu... no lag.
[14:10] <phunyguy> same here.
[14:10] <roasted> It's not that the lag is so bad it's unusable, but it's consistent enough to make me wonder if I should hop back on Ubuntu and PPA it over.
[14:10] <roasted> jbicha: meet my 1,200 mile coincidence. :P
[14:11] <phunyguy> hello!
[14:11] <phunyguy> is it 1200 miles?
[14:11] <phunyguy> probably so.
[14:11] <roasted> Michigan, no?
[14:11] <phunyguy> zoinks no
[14:11] <phunyguy> Georgia/Florida
[14:11] <roasted> 900
[14:11] <phunyguy> probably closer to 800
[14:11] <roasted> apologies. :D
[14:11] <phunyguy> yeah
[14:50] <roasted> nice, gnome-clocks is fixed :D :D :D
[14:51] <roasted> no battery indicator quite yet tho. :P
[14:51] <roasted> I also had to do a hard reboot on my laptop. Since then I haven't experienced the lag I mentioned earlier. derp??
[15:00] <roasted> Is there an alternative way to get into system settings > brightness and lock? brightness and lock is crashing system settings each time I open it, but I'd like to adjust my timeout on my screen going black since it's currently at one minute...
[15:30] <jbicha> roasted: I don't think so, we need to patch gsettings-desktop-schemas to restore the schemas that gnome-control-center 3.6 uses
[15:37] <roasted> jbicha: I see. Have you by chance seen the birghtness and lock issue I'm speaking of?
[15:38] <jbicha> yes
[15:38] <roasted> sounds good :)
[16:54] <dupondje> Empathy is not working here, can't edit accounts, nor it shows contacts
[16:54] <dupondje> but it connects, and I can respond in chats
[16:54] <dupondje> and it works perfect in Unity ...
[16:58] <roasted> dupondje: 13.04?
[16:59] <sary> Salutations!
[17:00] <roasted> hello!
[17:00] <dupondje> roasted: yep
[17:00] <roasted> dupondje: I noticed I had to nuke my empathy accounts and re-add them (I retained my /home dir when I did the fresh install). After that they operated fine.
[17:02] <dupondje> roasted: I tried removing them yet :s
[17:02] <dupondje> its just gui that is borked
[17:03] <roasted> what GUI?
[17:03] <roasted> empathy or gnome?
[17:03] <dupondje> empathy
[17:03] <sary> I've successfully upgraded from 12.04 to 13.04, is it okay to install ubuntu-gnome metapackages! are there any known issue i should know about ?
[17:03] <roasted> have you considered removing and purging empathy and re-installing it?
[17:03] <dupondje> roasted: already did :(
[17:03] <roasted> or perhaps nuking the empathy data folder within your home dir?
[17:04] <roasted> empathy has its own folder within ~/.config
[17:06] <dupondje> tried removing empathy and removing files in .config etc
[17:06] <dupondje> but no help
[17:06] <dupondje> its strange it works perfectly in Unity imo
[17:06] <roasted> do other messengers such as pidgin work okay?
[17:06] <dupondje> did not try yet
[17:06] <roasted> just a thought
[17:07] <roasted> I mean empathy working in unity is a huge +1 that it's something with Gnome, but if you can get another messenger to work on Gnome (I would think) it would further solidify that theory.
[17:11] <sary> hi there roasted , dupondje :)
[17:11] <roasted> hi
[17:11] <sary> dupondje: what it you run emapthy in terminal !
[17:11] <sary> it/s/if
[17:11] <dupondje> sary: no output
[17:12] <roasted> sary: are you on 13.04?
[17:12] <dupondje> I just get "No contacts online" ...
[17:13] <dupondje> (empathy:12525): folks-WARNING **: Failed to reach quiescence normally (1 backends and 0 persona stores still haven't reached quiescence). Forcing IndividualAggregator quiescence due to reaching the timeout.
[17:13] <dupondje> (empathy:12525): empathy-CRITICAL **: empathy-utils.c:569: empathy_account_manager_get_accounts_connected called before AccountManager ready
[17:13] <sary> roasted: Cheah! :)
[17:13] <dupondje> (empathy:12525): empathy-CRITICAL **: empathy-utils.c:569: empathy_account_manager_get_accounts_connected called before AccountManager ready
[17:13] <dupondje> I get this after some time ...
[17:13] <roasted> sary: can you go into system settings and select brightness and lock? Does that crash system settings for you?
[17:13] <sary> roasted: sure thing , hold up ..
[17:14] <sary> roasted: no issue at all, both function properly!
[17:15] <roasted> Do you have any PPAs installed?
[17:15] <sary> nope.
[17:15] <roasted> so you're on 3.6 then?
[17:20] <roasted> sary: brightness and lock crashes for me instantly when I click on it (and only it... other functions in sys settings work fine). I'm on 13.04, Gnome3 PPA, 3.7.92
[17:23] <guest-pNHnt1> Back, Sary here ..
[17:23] <roasted> sary: brightness and lock crashes for me instantly when I click on it (and only it... other functions in sys settings work fine). I'm on 13.04, Gnome3 PPA, 3.7.92
[17:23] <roasted> :)
[17:26] <guest-pNHnt1> roasted: you're absolutely right , a minute or so after adjusting brightness and lock on/off , the whole desktop hangs!
[17:27] <roasted> my desktop doesn't hang. It just crashes system settings.
[17:27] <roasted> like if I select brightness and lock, it disappears as if I just ALT F4'd it
[17:27] <guest-pNHnt1> but, here is the cach .. i'm on a guest session and the issue didn't occur .. yet!
[17:28] <cmatheson> hey speaking of empathy not working, if i try to connect to my personal jabber server all my accounts die (otherwise gmail and facebook connect fine)
[17:28] <cmatheson> a notification pops up that says "internal error"
[17:28] <cmatheson> this is running gnome 3.6 on 13.04 (i just ppa-purged 3.7 though)
[17:28] <guest-pNHnt1> ah! thene i think we should check and investigate ./sessions-errors for a start.
[17:31] <guest-pNHnt1> dupondje: excuse me , i've missed your empathy output .. BRB.
[17:31] <roasted> guest-pNHnt1: are you on a laptop?
[17:32] <guest-pNHnt1> roasted: correct.
[17:32] <roasted> guest-pNHnt1: do you have a battery indicator in the top right?
[17:33] <guest-pNHnt1> roasted: nope!
[17:33] <roasted> :(
[17:33] <guest-pNHnt1> wait , but am on the guest session still.
[17:33] <guest-pNHnt1> BRB.
[17:38] <roasted> testing
[17:38] <dupondje> ok, removed cache folder or folks
[17:38] <dupondje> and now it seems to work somehow
[17:39] <dupondje> except MSN
[17:44] <roasted> this brightness thing is driving me insane
[17:44] <roasted> if only my brightness was set to turn off monitor every 10 minutes I wouldn't care. But it's set to 1 minute and auto crashes itself so I can't change it. AHH
[17:46] <atrus> roasted: can you change it with dconf-editor? i think that's in org.gnome.setting-daemon.plugins.power
[17:48] <roasted> atrus: hmm, how would I navigate to that within dconf?
[17:48] <atrus> just by clicking the [+] boxes
[17:48] <roasted> well yeah, but I'm not sure which one in particular.
[17:49] <roasted> oh I got it
[17:49] <roasted> I didn't realize each . separated a new drop down
[17:50] <roasted> ahh thank you atrus :) :) :)
[17:50] <roasted> it'll make this issue not seem so insanely obnoxious right now
[18:48] <sary> Back.
[18:50] <sary> dupondje: on my user session , empathy connect o accounts normaly.
[18:55] <sary> perhaps, your system is missing one of the protocol support connection packages!
[18:55] <sary> " Telepathy " .. that is.
[18:56] <sary> i think we might've gone offtopic here , #ubuntu+1 it is .
[20:15] <darkxst> jbicha, can you upload updated cogl http://pastebin.com/N5A2tCap
[20:22] <jbicha> darkxst: yes, it will probably wait in the queue until thursday's beta release though
[20:23] <jbicha> how about you open a bug and request a sponsor though?
[20:40] <darkxst> jbicha, yes I could, but that will take ages
[21:04] <jbicha> darkxst: if it doesn't get sponsored by Thursday or Friday, ping me & I'll do it
[21:04] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[21:39] <Ponch0> My software updater gets stuck on applying changes.... is there anyway to do this manually?
[22:26] <jbicha> darkxst: wow, gnome-shell 3.6.3 has been stuck in the SRU queue for 5 weeks :(