[00:51] <snap-l> Cool, got a $25 gift certificate for Guild of Blades for shopping there on Tabletop Game day. :)
[01:19] <ColonelPanic001> woo. I'm home
[01:31] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: w/b
[01:36] <ColonelPanic001> thanks
[01:36] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't touched a keyboard in a week
[01:38] <snap-l> yOU'RE IN FOR A SHOCK
[01:39] <snap-l> They moved the capslock key since you last typed
[01:39] <ColonelPanic001> oHCRAP WHATS THIS
[01:42] <ColonelPanic001> I was really amused. I was down in Florida
[01:42] <ColonelPanic001> and often, when leavingt to go to a restaurant or something, we'd drive on I-75
[02:01] <snap-l> Yeah, it's quite popular down there. :)
[02:01] <snap-l> Also, I'm listening to Die Walkure
[02:02] <snap-l> And obsessing that I don't have this version ripped
[02:02] <snap-l> even though I hate opera
[02:02] <snap-l> I can only conclude that I am psychotic an dinsane
[02:19] <Blazeix> rejoining the internet right in time for april 1st. a poor choice.
[10:51] <rick_h_> heh greg-g getting invoveld with xkcd ftw http://xkcd.com/1193/
[10:51] <rick_h_> heh and suckered me into donating for the first time
[11:16] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2013/04/01/open-metalcast-puts-full-support-behind-new-riaa-certified-creative-commons-license/
[12:00] <snap-l> btw: GOod morning. :)
[12:01] <rick_h_> morning
[12:09] <brousch> yo
[12:13] <brousch> Damnit. It's April fool's Day
[12:16] <rick_h_> brousch: yes...save us all
[12:17] <snap-l> I think I'm going to read a book instead of read the internet
[12:17] <snap-l> and just delete any posts that have a 4/1 timestamp on them in my reader.
[12:18] <snap-l> Docker is now OSS
[12:18] <rick_h_> yea
[12:19] <rick_h_> why I wanted to do that pycon video
[12:19] <snap-l> Looked pretty interesting
[12:19] <snap-l> I've already replaced a lot of my "server virtualbox" usage with lxc
[12:20] <rick_h_> yea, if I end up getting a desktop I might check out running it on there to handle needs like that
[12:20] <snap-l> create vbox image to play with software, then blow away afterward.
[12:20] <snap-l> I think it would be my preferred way to deploy ruby shit
[12:21] <snap-l> none of that stupid not-virtualenv stuff
[12:21] <rick_h_> yea
[12:21] <brousch> All I see are document generators
[12:21] <brousch> Or pants
[12:21] <rick_h_> huh?
[12:21] <brousch> Docker
[12:22] <snap-l> Too new for search
[12:22] <snap-l> try docker lxc container
[12:22] <rick_h_> docker.io
[12:22] <rick_h_> see pycon talk about 'future of lxc containers'
[12:24] <brousch> Damnit. Now I have to look up Linux containers
[12:24] <rick_h_> lol
[12:24] <snap-l> lxc is haaawt
[12:24] <rick_h_> past time to do that
[12:24] <snap-l> I hear there's this thing called Juju that people are using
[12:25] <brousch> I use virtualbox
[12:25] <rick_h_> with a name like juju I know it's april fools :P
[12:25] <snap-l> brousch: I did too, but unless I need something with bridged networking, LXC is good for back-of-the-envelope computing
[12:26] <snap-l> Waiting for an image to spin up, or taking and modifying an existing image is a bit of a pain
[12:27] <snap-l> If I could figure out bridged networking with LXC without requiring a bunch of libvirt modules to make it happen, that would make my day.
[12:33] <brousch> It takes about 10s to reboot an Ubuntu 12.04 server VM
[12:33] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/8d69ae88418984 actually rooting for tesla so this is cool. Hopefull that in 10yrs or so we'll have one all electric and one not
[12:35] <brousch> 10 years is not long enough
[12:35] <brousch> In 10 years I hope we're all driving hybrids like the Volt
[12:35] <rick_h_> I don't know. The last 10 years has shown a LOT of progress
[12:35] <snap-l> Nice
[12:35] <snap-l> It's all about the batteries
[12:35] <brousch> I look at the parking lot at work. Not a single hybrid even
[12:35] <snap-l> I think in 10 years we'll have some major advancements in batteries
[12:36] <snap-l> WE've already kicked the crap out of Lithium Ion
[12:36] <brousch> The charging time is just too long
[12:36] <snap-l> brousch: It'll only get shorter
[12:36] <brousch> Have to switch to battery swaps or something
[12:37] <brousch> If not, that's a fuckload of power being pushed through refueling stations
[12:37] <snap-l> brousch: In 2003, did you even imagine you'd have a smart phone?
[12:37] <brousch> I'll wet myself every time I have to recharge in slushy weather
[12:37] <snap-l> let alone one that could do everything your phone does with an overnight charge?
[12:38] <brousch> A phone is $200 and you replace it every 2 years. A car is $20,000 and you replace it every decade
[12:38] <brousch> Turnover is easier
[12:38] <brousch> And you don't need a company every 1/4 mile to keep the phone running
[12:39] <snap-l> brousch: you're not seeing the bigger picture
[12:39] <brousch> Don't get me wrong, I want a self-driving electric car. It just won't happen for the vast majority in 10 years
[12:39] <snap-l> We're in the tadpole stages of electric cars
[12:40] <rick_h_> the 1hr stuff from tesla seems to be getting darn close to reasonable
[12:40] <brousch> 1 hour every 300  miles?
[12:40] <rick_h_> besides, we've learned to change behavior before. I think it's more of a behavior training thing
[12:40] <rick_h_> brousch: well, to be fair I said one all electric and one not
[12:41] <rick_h_> I do enjoy my 11hr straight trip to VA
[12:41] <brousch> I like the Volt's system
[12:41] <rick_h_> and adding 3 1hr chargings to it would kind of suck
[12:41] <rick_h_> I don't, I think it's too complicated trying to do the both worlds approach
[12:41] <rick_h_> not enough of either
[12:42] <brousch> You put gas in, it charges the battery
[12:42] <brousch> Or you plug it in
[12:42] <snap-l> I just find it funny that now we're complaining about the charging times for cars that go 300 miles
[12:42] <snap-l> as opposed to complalining about the charging times for cars that could barely make a commute
[12:43] <snap-l> If that ain't progress, I don't know what is. :)
[12:43] <brousch> It is progress, but it won't get adopted until I can refuel in 5 minutes
[12:44] <rick_h_> the big thing for them is that the batteries won't be new capacity all the time.
[12:44] <rick_h_> as someone that tries to keep cars 5-7 years, ugh for dealing with capacity leakage over time
[12:44] <rick_h_> but hoping in 10yr things get better
[12:44] <snap-l> brousch: but what if your car could refuel at the burger king?
[12:44] <rick_h_> brousch: I don't think so. I think some of that is just training people's habits
[12:44] <snap-l> While you're stuffing your face with the whopper, your car is busily recharging
[12:45] <snap-l> 15 - 20 minutes later, you're both rearing to go
[12:45] <brousch> That would be nice
[12:46] <snap-l> We could return to the drive-in lanes, where you have some teenager skate over to your car, plug it in, and take your order.
[12:47] <brousch> I don't think the electric grid is ready fo that
[12:47] <snap-l> well, that's the whole alternative energy discussion. :)
[12:48] <snap-l> but 5 minutes ago you were complaining about an hour long charge
[12:48] <rick_h_> bah, just play along and keep saying 'in 10 years' :P
[12:49] <brousch> Too much too change in 10 years
[12:49] <snap-l> because you were waiting in a gas station, not sitting in a 1950s themed drive in
[12:49] <rick_h_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cumulative_US_HEV_Sales_by_year_1999_2009.png
[12:50] <snap-l> It only takes a little lateral thinking to see how awesome this could be.
[12:50] <rick_h_> 10yrs is a long time
[12:50] <snap-l> also, charts can tell any story. ;)
[12:51] <brousch> There are 250 million cars in America. So that chart shows 0-1% jump in 10 years
[12:51] <rick_h_> just saying that 'hybrids' in their current have moved a ton in the last 10yrs...as in become major consumer products
[12:52] <snap-l> I think it's just brousch showing that great Western Michigan trait of "hey, who left the light on, dammit? These things cost money." ;)
[12:53] <brousch> It boggled my mind when gas went to $4/gal and shop guys were still driving their 10 year old superduty pickups to work from ionia and fremont
[12:53] <brousch> It had to be costing them 1/2 of their pay to get to work and back
[12:54] <snap-l> brousch: Yep, but that's how they do their work
[12:54] <brousch> No, they drive to work, work all day, then drive home
[12:54] <snap-l> no way in hell you're getting 600lbs of cement from point a to point b in a prius with two other guys.
[12:54] <brousch> These guys work in the shop, not in the field
[12:54] <snap-l> Ah, n/m then
[12:54] <rick_h_> yea, why I <3 my touareg. My family are all big truck people, F250+ and when I said I got 30MPG to ATL and back they did a double take
[12:55] <rick_h_> even my brother's F150 wasn't close and it's a V6
[12:55] <rick_h_> but I am paying more for diesel right now :/
[12:55] <snap-l> Ford's truck engines are not terribly efficient at delivering power.
[12:58] <brousch> A few years ago I looked at buying a scooter to get to work and back. I couldn't justify it based on gas savings
[12:59] <brousch> I guess if gas hits $10/gal we could see big electric uptake
[13:00] <brousch> Electric has to be as convenient as gas and cheaper before americans will give up their manly machines
[13:01] <rick_h_> one manly machine one around town vehicle :P
[13:05] <brousch> Heh, I just understood your original comment
[13:06] <brousch> I thought you meant Tesla would make 1 all-electric vehicle and one hybrid (not), not that you would own one of each
[13:08] <brousch> I'm due for a new car in 3-5 years. I hope to get a hybrid or all-electric, but I'd have to be able to justify it in money saved over the life of the vehicle
[13:18] <snap-l> It's going to take longer than 3-5 years for this to be affordable
[13:19] <brousch> It won't get adopted until it's affordable
[13:19] <snap-l> Not true
[13:19] <snap-l> there's always the early-adopters
[13:20] <brousch> They are few
[13:20] <snap-l> I think they're more numerous than you might think
[13:20] <snap-l> Steve Jackson of Steve Jackson Games just bought a Tesla S
[13:20] <brousch> He is rich
[13:21] <snap-l> Not in the way you might think
[13:21] <snap-l> he's quite shrewd and frugal
[13:21] <snap-l> http://sjgames.com/ill/archive/March_28_2013/Steve_Gets_A_Model_S_Fnord
[13:25] <snap-l> Dammit, someone already has FNORD up here. :(
[13:25] <brousch> That's a $50,000 car. For it to be frugal, it would have to save $30,000 in gas compared to a $20,000 corola. At $10/gal and assuming it costs $0 to charge the Tesla that would mean about 90,000 miles of driving. More realistically, it means it might break even if the car lasts 15 years
[13:26] <rick_h_> or sometimes you just pay for the privilege of better...after all people seem to be about paying extra for those organic fruits/veges
[13:26] <snap-l> brousch: You buy a car like that not because it's frugal, but because it's an ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLE WITH NO ENGINE TO SPEAK OF
[13:26] <brousch> Right, but snap-l implied it was a shrewd or frugal purchase
[13:26] <rick_h_> "for you to buy this organic oragic orange it will need to be 1.75 better for you in taste and calories"
[13:26] <snap-l> i made no such claims
[13:27] <snap-l> I said that Steve Jackson was not righ
[13:27] <snap-l> rich
[13:27] <snap-l> He's no pimp, even though I'm a whore for their games.
[13:27] <snap-l> Hey, waitaminute.
[13:27] <snap-l> Maybe he is a pimp after all. ;)
[14:07] <rick_h_> lmao https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1156100
[14:10] <brousch> awesome
[14:12] <snap-l> Love the finger pointing
[14:13] <snap-l> Yes it's Amazon not filtering things, but seriously
[15:12] <snap-l> O'Reilly has a booklet on LED lighting
[15:12] <snap-l> I swear, they just want me to give them money or something
[15:42] <greg-g> rick_h_: on Friday Randall Monroe reached out to some people in #wikimedia-gendergap (not sure why there, he's been idling there for a couple/few weeks) about today's comic :)
[18:04] <rick_h_> curses! forgot my headphones again.
[18:05] <greg-g> stupid monday
[18:05] <rick_h_> need to have some detector that picks up lack of headphones when heading to the coffee shop
[18:05] <brousch> Google Now
[18:05] <rick_h_> bad thing is I had them on the charger so they'd have juice to use at the coffee shop
[18:05] <rick_h_> so thought a little ahead today
[18:05] <rick_h_> hah
[18:06] <brousch> "5 minutes to Caribou coffe. don't forget your headphones!"
[18:06] <greg-g> just not far enough
[18:07] <rick_h_> greg-g: that's cool on the wikimedia stuff. Got me to donate for the first time so success
[18:08] <greg-g> w00t!
[18:08] <greg-g> love when others unilaterally get more donations to your org :)
[18:09] <greg-g> he has a post about WP every now and then, so he's definitely a user
[18:09] <rick_h_> cool, yea I don't tend to use it much so never bothered.
[18:09] <rick_h_> try to hit more small devs working on cool stuff I use, but wth :)
[18:09] <rick_h_> bigger dogs are better!
[18:10] <greg-g> :)
[18:10] <greg-g> we're pretty efficient at creating postive impact with your dollars, I promise
[18:10]  * greg-g hides his morning champagne bottle
[18:10] <rick_h_> hah
[18:11] <rick_h_> well I secretly donated hoping it'd help you get back to a thinkpad :P
[18:11] <greg-g> YE!
[18:11] <greg-g> +S
[18:11] <greg-g> in 2 years or whatever the cycle is, I'm lobbying REAL hard
[18:29] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://mvsm.bandcamp.com/ You must check this band out
[18:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: if I had brought my headphones I would :)
[18:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: will do though.
[18:30] <snap-l> It's like Tool's doppelganger
[18:30] <rick_h_> heh cool
[18:30] <greg-g> WHY U NO RECOMMEND ME, SNAP-L?
[18:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: Screw the rest of the folks at the coffeeshop. This is important
[18:30] <snap-l> greg-g: Figured you already knew about 'em. ;)
[18:31] <snap-l> greg-g: What with being at wikimedia and all. ;)
[18:31] <greg-g> wikimedia hosts bandcamp? ;)
[18:31] <snap-l> wikimedia knows all. ;)
[18:31] <greg-g> oh, right, that's true
[18:31] <snap-l> greg-g: http://mvsm.bandcamp.com/ OMG YOU MUST CHECK THIS OUT!
[18:31] <snap-l> happy now?
[18:31] <greg-g> SWEET I WILL!
[18:31] <greg-g> thanks buddy
[18:31] <greg-g> ;)
[18:31] <snap-l> KTHZBAI!
[19:18] <rick_h_> greg-g: funny http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/106963/how-does-a-fine-woodworker-change-a-lightbulb
[19:21] <jcastro> rick_h_: this  is how imagine your daily life
[19:22] <brousch> jcastro++
[19:22] <rick_h_> jcastro: hah, I'm not yet worthy enough to have gone this far. Many years of apprenticeship to go
[19:23] <brousch> Need to shovel the snow? Build a shovel custom tailored to the snowfall amount and type
[19:23] <jcastro> rick_h_: the wood case for the new bulb is the best
[19:24] <rick_h_> yea, with the french cutout. My issue is the bulb isn't LED so can't be me
[19:24] <jcastro> indeed
[19:29] <rick_h_> ooh, chair finally shipped
[19:48] <greg-g> rick_h_: also, he cleans the glass of the bulb, then while cleaning the contact points, puts his filthy fingers all over the bulb again
[19:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: :)
[19:52] <snap-l> Only the finest artisinal bulbs grace rick_h_'s sockets.
[19:53] <greg-g> you know, when ever you say something like that, snap-l, it sounds dirty
[19:53] <snap-l> handmade by expert Amish craftsmen
[19:54] <snap-l> Heh
[23:39] <snap-l> Evening
[23:49] <rick_h_> evening
[23:49] <snap-l> Are we having fun yet?
[23:52] <rick_h_> oh yea, code review party