[00:51] Cool, got a $25 gift certificate for Guild of Blades for shopping there on Tabletop Game day. :) [01:19] woo. I'm home [01:31] ColonelPanic001: w/b [01:36] thanks [01:36] I haven't touched a keyboard in a week [01:38] yOU'RE IN FOR A SHOCK [01:39] They moved the capslock key since you last typed [01:39] oHCRAP WHATS THIS [01:42] I was really amused. I was down in Florida [01:42] and often, when leavingt to go to a restaurant or something, we'd drive on I-75 [02:01] Yeah, it's quite popular down there. :) [02:01] Also, I'm listening to Die Walkure [02:02] And obsessing that I don't have this version ripped [02:02] even though I hate opera [02:02] I can only conclude that I am psychotic an dinsane [02:19] rejoining the internet right in time for april 1st. a poor choice. [10:51] heh greg-g getting invoveld with xkcd ftw http://xkcd.com/1193/ [10:51] heh and suckered me into donating for the first time [11:16] http://decafbad.net/2013/04/01/open-metalcast-puts-full-support-behind-new-riaa-certified-creative-commons-license/ [12:00] btw: GOod morning. :) [12:01] morning [12:09] yo [12:13] Damnit. It's April fool's Day [12:16] brousch: yes...save us all [12:17] I think I'm going to read a book instead of read the internet [12:17] and just delete any posts that have a 4/1 timestamp on them in my reader. [12:18] Docker is now OSS [12:18] yea [12:19] why I wanted to do that pycon video [12:19] Looked pretty interesting [12:19] I've already replaced a lot of my "server virtualbox" usage with lxc [12:20] yea, if I end up getting a desktop I might check out running it on there to handle needs like that [12:20] create vbox image to play with software, then blow away afterward. [12:20] I think it would be my preferred way to deploy ruby shit [12:21] none of that stupid not-virtualenv stuff [12:21] yea [12:21] All I see are document generators [12:21] Or pants [12:21] huh? [12:21] Docker [12:22] Too new for search [12:22] try docker lxc container [12:22] docker.io [12:22] see pycon talk about 'future of lxc containers' [12:24] Damnit. Now I have to look up Linux containers [12:24] lol [12:24] lxc is haaawt [12:24] past time to do that [12:24] I hear there's this thing called Juju that people are using [12:25] I use virtualbox [12:25] with a name like juju I know it's april fools :P [12:25] brousch: I did too, but unless I need something with bridged networking, LXC is good for back-of-the-envelope computing [12:26] Waiting for an image to spin up, or taking and modifying an existing image is a bit of a pain [12:27] If I could figure out bridged networking with LXC without requiring a bunch of libvirt modules to make it happen, that would make my day. [12:33] It takes about 10s to reboot an Ubuntu 12.04 server VM [12:33] http://r.bmark.us/u/8d69ae88418984 actually rooting for tesla so this is cool. Hopefull that in 10yrs or so we'll have one all electric and one not [12:35] 10 years is not long enough [12:35] In 10 years I hope we're all driving hybrids like the Volt [12:35] I don't know. The last 10 years has shown a LOT of progress [12:35] Nice [12:35] It's all about the batteries [12:35] I look at the parking lot at work. Not a single hybrid even [12:35] I think in 10 years we'll have some major advancements in batteries [12:36] WE've already kicked the crap out of Lithium Ion [12:36] The charging time is just too long [12:36] brousch: It'll only get shorter [12:36] Have to switch to battery swaps or something [12:37] If not, that's a fuckload of power being pushed through refueling stations [12:37] brousch: In 2003, did you even imagine you'd have a smart phone? [12:37] I'll wet myself every time I have to recharge in slushy weather [12:37] let alone one that could do everything your phone does with an overnight charge? [12:38] A phone is $200 and you replace it every 2 years. A car is $20,000 and you replace it every decade [12:38] Turnover is easier [12:38] And you don't need a company every 1/4 mile to keep the phone running [12:39] brousch: you're not seeing the bigger picture [12:39] Don't get me wrong, I want a self-driving electric car. It just won't happen for the vast majority in 10 years [12:39] We're in the tadpole stages of electric cars [12:40] the 1hr stuff from tesla seems to be getting darn close to reasonable [12:40] 1 hour every 300 miles? [12:40] besides, we've learned to change behavior before. I think it's more of a behavior training thing [12:40] brousch: well, to be fair I said one all electric and one not [12:41] I do enjoy my 11hr straight trip to VA [12:41] I like the Volt's system [12:41] and adding 3 1hr chargings to it would kind of suck [12:41] I don't, I think it's too complicated trying to do the both worlds approach [12:41] not enough of either [12:42] You put gas in, it charges the battery [12:42] Or you plug it in [12:42] I just find it funny that now we're complaining about the charging times for cars that go 300 miles [12:42] as opposed to complalining about the charging times for cars that could barely make a commute [12:43] If that ain't progress, I don't know what is. :) [12:43] It is progress, but it won't get adopted until I can refuel in 5 minutes [12:44] the big thing for them is that the batteries won't be new capacity all the time. [12:44] as someone that tries to keep cars 5-7 years, ugh for dealing with capacity leakage over time [12:44] but hoping in 10yr things get better [12:44] brousch: but what if your car could refuel at the burger king? [12:44] brousch: I don't think so. I think some of that is just training people's habits [12:44] While you're stuffing your face with the whopper, your car is busily recharging [12:45] 15 - 20 minutes later, you're both rearing to go [12:45] That would be nice [12:46] We could return to the drive-in lanes, where you have some teenager skate over to your car, plug it in, and take your order. [12:47] I don't think the electric grid is ready fo that [12:47] well, that's the whole alternative energy discussion. :) [12:48] but 5 minutes ago you were complaining about an hour long charge [12:48] bah, just play along and keep saying 'in 10 years' :P [12:49] Too much too change in 10 years [12:49] because you were waiting in a gas station, not sitting in a 1950s themed drive in [12:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cumulative_US_HEV_Sales_by_year_1999_2009.png [12:50] It only takes a little lateral thinking to see how awesome this could be. [12:50] 10yrs is a long time [12:50] also, charts can tell any story. ;) [12:51] There are 250 million cars in America. So that chart shows 0-1% jump in 10 years [12:51] just saying that 'hybrids' in their current have moved a ton in the last 10yrs...as in become major consumer products [12:52] I think it's just brousch showing that great Western Michigan trait of "hey, who left the light on, dammit? These things cost money." ;) [12:53] It boggled my mind when gas went to $4/gal and shop guys were still driving their 10 year old superduty pickups to work from ionia and fremont [12:53] It had to be costing them 1/2 of their pay to get to work and back [12:54] brousch: Yep, but that's how they do their work [12:54] No, they drive to work, work all day, then drive home [12:54] no way in hell you're getting 600lbs of cement from point a to point b in a prius with two other guys. [12:54] These guys work in the shop, not in the field [12:54] Ah, n/m then [12:54] yea, why I <3 my touareg. My family are all big truck people, F250+ and when I said I got 30MPG to ATL and back they did a double take [12:55] even my brother's F150 wasn't close and it's a V6 [12:55] but I am paying more for diesel right now :/ [12:55] Ford's truck engines are not terribly efficient at delivering power. [12:58] A few years ago I looked at buying a scooter to get to work and back. I couldn't justify it based on gas savings [12:59] I guess if gas hits $10/gal we could see big electric uptake [13:00] Electric has to be as convenient as gas and cheaper before americans will give up their manly machines [13:01] one manly machine one around town vehicle :P [13:05] Heh, I just understood your original comment [13:06] I thought you meant Tesla would make 1 all-electric vehicle and one hybrid (not), not that you would own one of each [13:08] I'm due for a new car in 3-5 years. I hope to get a hybrid or all-electric, but I'd have to be able to justify it in money saved over the life of the vehicle [13:18] It's going to take longer than 3-5 years for this to be affordable [13:19] It won't get adopted until it's affordable [13:19] Not true [13:19] there's always the early-adopters [13:20] They are few [13:20] I think they're more numerous than you might think [13:20] Steve Jackson of Steve Jackson Games just bought a Tesla S [13:20] He is rich [13:21] Not in the way you might think [13:21] he's quite shrewd and frugal [13:21] http://sjgames.com/ill/archive/March_28_2013/Steve_Gets_A_Model_S_Fnord [13:25] Dammit, someone already has FNORD up here. :( [13:25] That's a $50,000 car. For it to be frugal, it would have to save $30,000 in gas compared to a $20,000 corola. At $10/gal and assuming it costs $0 to charge the Tesla that would mean about 90,000 miles of driving. More realistically, it means it might break even if the car lasts 15 years [13:26] or sometimes you just pay for the privilege of better...after all people seem to be about paying extra for those organic fruits/veges [13:26] brousch: You buy a car like that not because it's frugal, but because it's an ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLE WITH NO ENGINE TO SPEAK OF [13:26] Right, but snap-l implied it was a shrewd or frugal purchase [13:26] "for you to buy this organic oragic orange it will need to be 1.75 better for you in taste and calories" [13:26] i made no such claims [13:27] I said that Steve Jackson was not righ [13:27] rich [13:27] He's no pimp, even though I'm a whore for their games. [13:27] Hey, waitaminute. [13:27] Maybe he is a pimp after all. ;) === jcastro_ is now known as jcastro [14:07] lmao https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1156100 [14:10] awesome [14:12] Love the finger pointing [14:13] Yes it's Amazon not filtering things, but seriously [15:12] O'Reilly has a booklet on LED lighting [15:12] I swear, they just want me to give them money or something [15:42] rick_h_: on Friday Randall Monroe reached out to some people in #wikimedia-gendergap (not sure why there, he's been idling there for a couple/few weeks) about today's comic :) [18:04] curses! forgot my headphones again. [18:05] stupid monday [18:05] need to have some detector that picks up lack of headphones when heading to the coffee shop [18:05] Google Now [18:05] bad thing is I had them on the charger so they'd have juice to use at the coffee shop [18:05] so thought a little ahead today [18:05] hah [18:06] "5 minutes to Caribou coffe. don't forget your headphones!" [18:06] just not far enough [18:07] greg-g: that's cool on the wikimedia stuff. Got me to donate for the first time so success [18:08] w00t! [18:08] love when others unilaterally get more donations to your org :) [18:09] he has a post about WP every now and then, so he's definitely a user [18:09] cool, yea I don't tend to use it much so never bothered. [18:09] try to hit more small devs working on cool stuff I use, but wth :) [18:09] bigger dogs are better! [18:10] :) [18:10] we're pretty efficient at creating postive impact with your dollars, I promise [18:10] * greg-g hides his morning champagne bottle [18:10] hah [18:11] well I secretly donated hoping it'd help you get back to a thinkpad :P [18:11] YE! [18:11] +S [18:11] in 2 years or whatever the cycle is, I'm lobbying REAL hard [18:29] rick_h_: http://mvsm.bandcamp.com/ You must check this band out [18:29] snap-l: if I had brought my headphones I would :) [18:29] snap-l: will do though. [18:30] It's like Tool's doppelganger [18:30] heh cool [18:30] WHY U NO RECOMMEND ME, SNAP-L? [18:30] rick_h_: Screw the rest of the folks at the coffeeshop. This is important [18:30] greg-g: Figured you already knew about 'em. ;) [18:31] greg-g: What with being at wikimedia and all. ;) [18:31] wikimedia hosts bandcamp? ;) [18:31] wikimedia knows all. ;) [18:31] oh, right, that's true [18:31] greg-g: http://mvsm.bandcamp.com/ OMG YOU MUST CHECK THIS OUT! [18:31] happy now? [18:31] SWEET I WILL! [18:31] thanks buddy [18:31] ;) [18:31] KTHZBAI! [19:18] greg-g: funny http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/106963/how-does-a-fine-woodworker-change-a-lightbulb [19:21] rick_h_: this is how imagine your daily life [19:22] jcastro++ [19:22] jcastro: hah, I'm not yet worthy enough to have gone this far. Many years of apprenticeship to go [19:23] Need to shovel the snow? Build a shovel custom tailored to the snowfall amount and type [19:23] rick_h_: the wood case for the new bulb is the best [19:24] yea, with the french cutout. My issue is the bulb isn't LED so can't be me [19:24] indeed [19:29] ooh, chair finally shipped [19:48] rick_h_: also, he cleans the glass of the bulb, then while cleaning the contact points, puts his filthy fingers all over the bulb again [19:49] greg-g: :) [19:52] Only the finest artisinal bulbs grace rick_h_'s sockets. [19:53] you know, when ever you say something like that, snap-l, it sounds dirty [19:53] handmade by expert Amish craftsmen [19:54] Heh [23:39] Evening [23:49] evening [23:49] Are we having fun yet? [23:52] oh yea, code review party