[06:27] <Cantide> http://www.news24.com/Technology/News/Mxlish-the-12th-official-SA-language-20130328 <- hahahaha April fools anyone?
[07:07] <Symmetria> haha
[07:07] <Symmetria> I like this bit
[07:07] <Symmetria> Reports suggest that three companies from Limpopo have been included on the preferred bidders' list.
[07:19] <Cantide> :p
[08:33] <Trixar_za> Kilos: I checked this morning - seems they just moved the 2G+1GB promo deal to Telkom Mobile
[08:34] <Kilos> oh my goodness so i bought mine early all for nothing
[08:34] <Kilos> what a waste hey
[08:35] <Kilos> morning Trixar_za  superfly  and others
[08:35] <Trixar_za> Oh, it wasn't a complete waste. I'm still using mine :P
[08:35]  * Trixar_za is listening to: Village Of All Beginnings  -- Playstation by Tomba!
[08:35] <Trixar_za> Listening to streaming music too
[08:36] <Trixar_za> I've always been a fan of game music, especially early console music
[08:36] <Kilos> hehe
[08:36] <Trixar_za> Not so much because they were chiptunes, but because you had such a limited range of sounds and you had to make it work
[08:36] <Trixar_za> True talent that
[08:42] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[08:42] <Vince-0> hi
[08:49] <Cantide> i bought the 60 + 60 yesterday =_=
[08:49] <Cantide> Telkom are evil
[08:49] <Cantide> Trixar_za, I like chiptunes, too :) and all retro game music :)
[08:50] <Kilos> why you say they are evil Cantide  ?
[08:51] <Cantide> i could have waited a day and then it would last me another month
[08:52] <Kilos> oh ya thats what i did because i was scared the 2+1 would be gone
[08:53] <Cantide> yeah :/
[08:53] <Cantide> oh well
[08:53] <Cantide> at least i have enough data until i leave
[08:53] <Cantide> and then i will give the sim to my dad
[08:53] <Kilos> when you leaving?
[08:54] <Cantide> probably September
[08:54] <Cantide> i'm not 100% sure yet
[08:55] <Kilos> ah so quite a while yet
[08:55] <Cantide> yeah
[08:55] <Cantide> just need monies '-'
[08:55] <Cantide> so i will work for a few more months
[08:55] <Kilos> whats that?
[08:55] <Cantide> then relax for a few months before i go
[08:55] <Cantide> money *
[08:55] <Cantide> :p
[08:56] <Kilos> that stuff that used to grow on trees
[08:56] <Cantide> yes, that stuff :p
[08:56] <Kilos> hehe
[08:56] <Cantide> now it grows in mines - requires hard work and lives lost to dig it out
[09:01] <Kilos> i wish maaz would return
[09:02] <Kilos> got so many links saved with him
[11:24]  * Squirm[A] pops in
[11:39] <sakhi> howzit popin?
[12:43] <Cantide> oh yeah
[12:43] <Cantide> oops
[12:43] <Cantide> wrong channel :p
[13:34] <tumbleweed> http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/important-changes-in-ubuntu-engineering/ :)
[13:37] <Cantide> haha
[13:37] <Cantide> there seem to be a lot of these going around today :D
[14:22] <zeref_debian> lol @ article
[15:49] <Trixar_za> Even Ubuntu had to make an Easter Fool's day joke
[16:59] <Kilos> hmm... you drowning in nicks Cantedious  
[17:00] <Cantedious> haha
[17:00] <Cantedious> yeah
[17:00] <Cantedious> busy trying to make my own input method for ibus
[17:00] <Cantedious> so far it's not working out..
[17:04] <Squirm> Trixar_za: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/74427-bittorrent-downloads-websites-to-be-blocked-in-sa.html
[17:04] <Squirm> I lol'd
[17:05] <Squirm> only saw it after they edit the title
[17:05] <Trixar_za> lol
[17:06] <Squirm> s/edit/edited
[17:14] <Squirm> anyone know where I can find good prepaid phone deals?
[17:15] <Cantedious> game or pep?
[17:15] <Squirm> looking for a smartphone
[17:16]  * Squirm looks on the Game website
[17:19] <Squirm> Trixar_za: the S3 Mini at Game is R4000, the S3 Mini from FNB is R150pm for 24months = R3600
[17:19] <Squirm> cheaper and you pay it off slowly
[17:20] <Squirm> same with the S3
[17:20] <Squirm> R600 cheaper
[17:20] <Squirm> go go FNB
[17:24] <Trixar_za> It's R4000 now. In 2 years time, that price would be about 1/4 that it is now
[17:27] <Squirm> but I can't wait 2 years for a new phone :P
[17:27] <Squirm> I'm getting the phone now
[17:27] <Squirm> in the metaphorical sense
[17:29] <Trixar_za> lol
[17:29] <Trixar_za> True, but just remember the math when you make decisions
[17:30] <Trixar_za> In the long run they're overcharging, but it's cheaper than buying new right now
[17:30] <Squirm> I don't understand how they're overcharging
[17:30] <Squirm> in total I'd pay say R4000 from Game, R3600 from FNB
[17:30] <Trixar_za> Long run - thing lose value over time
[17:30] <Squirm> they lose the same value whether you pay for it in full or not
[17:30] <Trixar_za> Would you buy a 2 year old car at the price it was when it was new?
[17:31] <Squirm> but I'm not
[17:31] <Squirm> :/
[17:31] <Squirm> come now logically minded Trixar_za 
[17:32] <Trixar_za> lol, most people lack the ability to think in days, months and years. I have never had that problem and it's been my crutch since forever
[17:32] <Squirm> I may still be paying for it in a year and 6 months. but I've still had it for a year and 6 months
[17:32] <Squirm> 1.5 years
[17:32] <Squirm> :/
[17:33] <Trixar_za> And by that time it would be only like 1,2k to buy it 'new'
[17:33] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:33] <Squirm> so whether I buy a phone for R4000 or R150pm. in 2 years time I'll have paid less for the same phone worth the same amount of money
[17:33] <Squirm> yes, THEN
[17:33] <Squirm> but this is NOW
[17:33] <Trixar_za> But don't overthink it too much
[17:33]  * Cantedious agrees with Squirm
[17:34] <Cantedious> you're getting the phone now, not in 2 years
[17:34] <Cantedious> so paying less over time makes no difference
[17:34] <Cantedious> except saving money
[17:34] <Cantedious> also, rands might be worth less in 2 years :p
[17:34] <Squirm> oh I hope not
[17:35] <Trixar_za> This is like explaining 3 dimensional space to people in a 2 dimensional world.
[17:35] <Squirm> convenient for me to pay R150pm as well, I don't have R4k cash. cept it ties me down :/
[17:35] <Cantedious> yeah
[17:35] <Trixar_za> Point is: You are getting the phone now, but your not saving long term. Stop thinking in terms of what it's priced now, but when your pay it off. You are not saving in the LONG RUN. End of story.
[17:36] <Tonberry> mmm
[17:36] <Cantedious> i'm considering getting the galaxy pocket - just to last me 6 months
[17:36] <Tonberry> i don't follow your logic
[17:36] <Trixar_za> Mind you, most companies cash in on people's inability to think long term
[17:36]  * Squirm looks at Trixar_za 
[17:36] <Squirm> you're really not understanding me :/
[17:37] <Squirm> Trixar_za: in the long run. i.e. 2 years time, I'd have paid R3600
[17:38] <Squirm> and say I pay R4k cash now
[17:38] <Squirm> in 2 years time
[17:38] <Squirm> I'd have still spent R4k on the phone
[17:38]  * Squirm thinks Trixar_za is sober
[17:40] <Trixar_za> Yes, but by the time you do actually pay it off, the price would have dropped drastically. The phone wouldn't be worth 4k at that time. In fact, I estimate, you'd have payed R2600 more for the phone by then. But it doesn't matter.
[17:40] <Tonberry> bugger that. S3 costs R8000ish prepaid. Contract payments if you subtract the non phone bits only add up to R5000ish
[17:40] <Tonberry> how am I not saving money going the contract route
[17:40] <Tonberry> ?
[17:40] <Squirm> Tonberry: this isn't a contract route
[17:41] <Squirm> FNB has the S3mini for R150pm*24months = R3600. Game has the Mini for R4k
[17:41]  * Tonberry scrolls up
[17:41] <Trixar_za> So all I'm saying is: You don't save in the long term. End of argument. :P
[17:41] <Squirm> Trixar_za: thinks in the long run it'd be more expensive to go with FNB
[17:41] <Squirm> Trixar_za: no
[17:41] <Squirm> if I got the phone at the END of the 2 years, yes
[17:41] <Squirm> but I'd get the phone now
[17:42] <Trixar_za> No, I don't. I'm just disagreeing with you about you 'saving' money in the long run with the deal. It's still a good deal by today's standards, even if they screw you a little in the long run.
[17:42] <Squirm> :/
[17:42] <Tonberry> so i still lose money if i give the 3600 to some third party and let him pay it of vs paying 4000 upfront?
[17:43] <Trixar_za> You'd lose money either way
[17:43] <Cantedious> lol
[17:43] <Tonberry> but you lose more giving away 4000
[17:43] <Trixar_za> Either way the phone still loses value over the years
[17:43] <Squirm> Trixar_za: at the end I'd still have paid less on the FNB side
[17:44] <Tonberry> by that logic no one would ever buy technology
[17:44]  * Trixar_za sighs
[17:44]  * Squirm sighs
[17:44] <Tonberry> ok what do you suggest someone does if they want to buy the phone
[17:44]  * Squirm lets other people figure out Trixar_zas illogical logic and goes and has a beer
[17:45]  * Tonberry sips his white wine
[17:45] <Trixar_za> Let me try it like this: Compared to today's game price, the end total of the 24 month deal looks cheap. But if you compare the price of the phone at the time when you pay of the phone, there would be a drastic loss in value. Still with me? It's relative to which end of the transaction your looking at.
[17:46] <Trixar_za> The bank has enough sense to realize that they can sell you something for cheaper, because in the long run they'll be making profit.
[17:46] <Tonberry> but the bank has to pay his suppliers for the phone now
[17:47] <Trixar_za> Which they probably get a cost and/or bulk price
[17:47] <Trixar_za> Either way, the bank won't be making a loss.
[17:47] <Trixar_za> And you probably won't either
[17:48] <Tonberry> but they aren't really screwing you either
[17:48] <Trixar_za> It's a good deal. Go with it. Just don't think it's a saving when it's not :P
[17:50] <Cantedious> if it's normally 4K, but they can give it to you for 3.6K, then you're saving
[17:50] <Cantedious> of course the phone will lose value over time - it will no matter how you pay for it
[17:51] <Cantedious> pay less for same product now = win
[17:51] <Trixar_za> But your not paying for the same product now. Your paying for the same product then.
[17:58] <magespawn> evening all
[17:58] <Trixar_za> Evening magespawn
[17:59] <magespawn> My 2 cents, by paying it off your are also paying the same monthly amount for a phone that is worth less each month
[18:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn  and others
[18:00] <magespawn> can you open a sql database created with access with another sql manager or do you need to convert it?
[18:01] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[18:02] <magespawn> Trixar_za: this logic does not only apply to phones but anything that goes down in value
[18:03] <Trixar_za> magespawn: Exactly and it's by what most companies that sell something at a monthly rate makes money off of
[18:05] <magespawn> Squirm: that article on my bb is very close to what is happening in the states and europe
[18:05] <Trixar_za> It's just hard to explain to people. I've always thought in long terms, which has always tripped me up. Only time I think only short term is while I'm completely sloshed :P
[18:06] <magespawn> Trixar_za: imagine paying off the game s3 with an rcs card, pay 3 times the price
[18:06] <magespawn> my bug bear is 'free' when they mean included
[18:06] <Trixar_za> I'm actually abusing that logic for my own gain too - well if we get that club bar
[18:07] <Trixar_za> We're including the mix in the price, but telling them it's 'free'
[18:07] <magespawn> Trixar_za: they probable also make money off the transacti9ns themselves by owning the authorising company
[18:08] <Kilos> shame guys Squirm  really wants that fone
[18:08] <magespawn> typing is horrendous tonight
[18:08] <magespawn> i got my tablet through fnb and IT is the best deal for it
[18:09] <Trixar_za> Then let him buy it. We never said it was a bad deal.
[18:09] <magespawn> you are just not saving money you are just spending/losing  less
[18:09] <Kilos> squirm if you take the R150 per month and pay R200 per month it drastically shortens the 2 years
[18:09] <superfly> magespawn: no. Access is not SQL (nor would I ever call it a database)
[18:09] <magespawn> they do not allow that
[18:09] <superfly> magespawn: you can use mdbtools
[18:10] <Kilos> oh my. not same as buying a house?
[18:10] <magespawn> superfly the book i have has of course used access so was wondering 
[18:10] <Kilos> or has that also changed
[18:10] <magespawn> no Kilos 
[18:11] <Kilos> ai!
[18:11] <superfly> magespawn: you can try LibreOffice Base
[18:11] <magespawn> depends on your terms but with the fnb phone/tablet deal fixed amount has to be repayed
[18:11] <superfly> magespawn: most Access courses depend a LOT on the Forms
[18:11] <superfly> which is stupid beyond belief, but hey
[18:12] <magespawn> they have four db they use through out the book, would hate to have to set them up first
[18:14] <Trixar_za> Yeah, that's what I meant. He'd be losing less than if he bought the thing new. But he'd still be losing. The only saving is in a lower loss rate.
[18:15] <Trixar_za> Personally, I would go for the deal too.
[18:19] <magespawn> anybody know more about this http://www.nedbank.co.za/website/content/mediakit/media_content.asp?page=top&article=current&prID=1472
[18:22] <magespawn> found some more here http://simplybiz.co.za/nedbank-pocketpos%E2%84%A2-question-and-answers
[18:22] <nuvolari_> o/
[18:22] <Kilos> lo nuvolari_  
[18:22] <nuvolari_> hi oom Kilos 
[18:23] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit oom?
[18:23] <nuvolari> ek is weer terug in die beskawing
[18:23] <Kilos> ok dankie en jy seun?
[18:23] <Kilos> hehe
[18:23] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom!
[18:23] <Kilos> werk more?
[18:23] <nuvolari> darm eilig gery
[18:23] <nuvolari> *darm veilig gery
[18:23] <nuvolari> ja-nee oom, die lewee gaan aan
[18:23] <nuvolari> *lewe
[18:27] <nuvolari> lol a couple of google april-fools jokes
[18:31] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash  maaz is dead? do you have time to fix him?
[18:32] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash  
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: he's back
[18:33] <Kilos> magespawn: wb
[18:33] <inetpro> good evening
[18:33] <Kilos> hi inetpro  
[18:33] <Kilos> did you do it inetpro  ?
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[18:33] <magespawn> lol @ Kilos 
[18:33] <Kilos> magespawn: coffee on
[18:34] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:34]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:34] <Kilos> qa dont make lekker coffee
[18:34] <magespawn> neither do i, ask my wife
[18:34] <Kilos> haha
[18:35] <Kilos> some peeps do it on purpose to get out of making again
[18:36] <Kilos> ive given up with bios flash via floppy magespawn  
[18:37] <Kilos> cant fir the flash and update onna floppy
[18:37] <Kilos> fit
[18:37] <smile4ever> good night
[18:37] <smile4ever> :)
[18:37] <Kilos> hi smile4ever  
[18:37] <Kilos> oh night
[18:37] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:37] <smile4ever> Kilos: sorry ;)
[18:37] <smile4ever> thanks
[18:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[18:40] <Kilos> oh my goodness the bot didnt give me coffee
[18:40] <Kilos> .
[18:40] <Kilos> apartheid
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: you didn't ask him
[18:41] <inetpro> Maaz: danke
[18:41] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:41] <Kilos> i got probs here with kde. keeps going slow
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: define slow
[18:42] <Kilos> so slow when i type here it takes minutes before even showing
[18:42] <Kilos> and other things battle to close
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: run htop
[18:43] <inetpro> or just press CTRL+ESC
[18:43] <inetpro> look at what is eating your cpu
[18:45] <Kilos> xorg 19% krunner 6% konvers 9%
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: do it when it's slow again
[18:45] <Kilos> ok
[18:46] <Kilos> it isnt the pc telling me its time for a reinstall??
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:46] <magespawn> no Kilos no no no no no
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you have a talking pc?
[18:46] <magespawn> lol
[18:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:47] <Kilos> well if it isnt running right there is something wrong hey?
[18:47] <inetpro> find the problem and then fix it
[18:54] <Kilos> why does plasma say disk sleep?
[18:54] <Kilos> there it did it but couldnt see percentages just disk sleep kept popping up
[19:00] <magespawn> maybe the hard drive power saving is set to make the disk sleep quickly
[19:01] <Kilos> where you find that thing magespawn  
[19:01] <Kilos> there again and now it was konvers saying disk sleep
[19:02] <magespawn> not too sure look under system settings under power settings
[19:02] <Kilos> btw my other drive with kde on vlc shows that video perfectly
[19:03] <magespawn> hmm strange maybe some install difference then
[19:04] <Kilos> ok turned off button events handling, we see now
[19:04] <Kilos> weird hey
[19:04] <Kilos> and both installed from my saved archives
[19:05] <magespawn> you need to let people know about this sort of thing
[19:05] <magespawn> you find problems nobody else does
[19:12] <Kilos> ya but why?
[19:12] <Kilos> why not you clever peeps
[19:13] <magespawn> thats the thing, by reporting with data settings etc, maybe people can find out why
[19:14]  * inetpro can't see how it can be caused by "button events handling"
[19:15] <Kilos> thats the only place that was still ticked in the power settings
[19:15] <Kilos> and only place i saw the word sleep
[19:15] <Kilos> but will watch it now
[19:25] <Kilos> wb inetpro_  
[19:26] <Kilos> aw did it again
[19:26] <inetpro_> uh oh
[19:26] <Kilos> pidgin and konvers showed disk sleep
[19:26] <Kilos> but not for long
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: what is the exact error message and how do you see it?
[19:27] <Kilos> im watching that system activity thing
[19:27] <Kilos> the column under cpu usage
[19:28] <Kilos> dont get error messages
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: can you make a screenshot when you see it again?
[19:30] <Kilos> how on kde
[19:30] <Kilos> quick
[19:30] <Kilos> ?
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: hang on, you're not the only one having that problem
[19:31] <inetpro> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/install-boot-login/406191-disk-sleep-hang.html
[19:31] <Kilos> aha
[19:32] <Kilos> but thats on suse
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: kde is kde
[19:33] <inetpro> but regardless, I don't think that posting has a solution for you
[19:33] <Kilos> oh dont see kde in the link, sorry
[19:33] <inetpro> google is your friend
[19:34] <Kilos> ai!
[19:34] <inetpro> actually I think this might not even be a kde issue
[19:35] <inetpro> have you checked your bios?
[19:35] <Kilos> what do i look for in bios
[19:35] <Kilos> its not after long time sometimes minutes apart the sleep thing
[19:36] <inetpro> are you running your kde off a secondary disk?
[19:36] <Kilos> nope first disk
[19:36] <Kilos> sda
[19:36] <inetpro> a samsung disk?
[19:37] <Kilos> havent checked if sdb does the same yet
[19:37] <Kilos> maxtor methinks
[19:37] <Kilos> or seagate
[19:38] <Kilos> so , if sdb dont do it as well its the drive?
[19:38] <Kilos> ai!
[19:39] <inetpro> check for advanced power management settings or such
[19:40] <Kilos> ok will do that.ty
[19:41] <Kilos> if i dont come back i got too tired and will see youall tomorrow\
[19:44] <magespawn> good night all
[19:51] <Kilos> fsck found an inconsistency in sda7 and said run fsck manually
[19:52] <Kilos> whatever sda7 might be
[19:56] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:18] <Cantide> good night '-'/~
[22:50] <Guest38454> Hey guys :)