[00:00] <sary> try to update the archive , then see if there is available package upgrade.
[00:00] <sary> which command you've used to install the .deb file!
[00:02] <sary> another thing to check , are you sure you're trying to install the correct architecture for your system!
[00:05] <duanedesign> is split pane viewing acailable still i Nautilus?
[00:30] <bjsnider> duanedesign, no
[00:48] <Guest53169> hello
[00:49] <sary> hi
[00:49] <Guest53169> I have a question about my wifi, I am not sure if I should ask here or regular ubuntu channel but I am using 13.04
[00:51] <Guest53169> basically, my wifi is still working just fine, but today it seems that I have to wait bout a minute after it boots to connect to my router, and I am wondering if that might be part of the 'joy' of the pre-release
[00:51] <Guest53169> it used to be connected as soon as I booted
[00:53] <Guest53169> am I in the wrong channel for tech support?
[00:53] <bjsnider> you might check dmesg while that's happening to see if there's anything being spammed in there
[00:54] <KernelSandurs> ok, I am not sure where to find dmesg logs
[00:55] <sary> /var/log
[00:56] <KernelSandurs> thank you
[00:57] <KernelSandurs> I suspect this might also not be ubuntu's fault at all, I know I made a change to my network yesterday - I took my main PC off wired and put in wifi.
[00:57] <duanedesign> thanks bjsnider for the answer, despite my bad english typing
[00:58] <KernelSandurs> could that possibly cause my laptop to detect the network slower?
[01:00] <KernelSandurs> I know almost nothing about how to read a dmesg log, but I didn't see anything that looked like an obvious problem
[01:00] <sary> will, what changes you've made .. and also is this the first time you noiced the delay , or did it ever happend on a different ubuntu release with the same NIC chipt!
[01:02] <KernelSandurs> well, this laptop is the only machine running xubuntu consistantly, and I started with 12.10 and then upgraded to 13.04 after about a week of 12.10, that was about a month ago
[01:02] <KernelSandurs> so in short, no I have not tested with any other releases or hardware, I am kinda really thinking this is somehow caused by the network change, but that just seems strange that adding 1 pc would make that much difference
[01:03] <KernelSandurs> I suppose I will have to investigate this more thoroughly when I am in a mood to crawl around under my desk to mess with the cables
[01:06] <KernelSandurs> Is there a rolling release of Ubuntu? I remember a thread where someone said something about 13.04 being a rolling release
[03:34] <Riley88> hey guys have any of yall tried i3 on ubuntu
[03:34] <Riley88> lightdm refuses to start it for some reason im in tty right now
[03:53] <Riley88> hey did anyone see my previous comment
[03:53] <Riley88> i rebooted
[04:08] <Riley88> wtf
[04:08] <Riley88> this channel is dead
[09:17] <repete> Hi all
[09:18] <repete> Anyone know how to get Unity Web Apps working with Chromium?
[09:18] <repete> I'm getting prompted inconsistently, and in the end... nothing happens :-/
[09:18] <repete> Sorry, this is in Raring (not Quantal)
[10:43] <steveire> Hi. I can't seem to use icecc with raring.
[10:43] <steveire>  * Starting distributed compiler daemon iceccd                                                                                                                                                                     start-stop-daemon: unable to open pidfile '/var/run/icecc/iceccd.pid' for writing (No such file or directory)
[10:43] <steveire>                                                                                                                                                                                                             [fail]
[10:50] <zAo^> steveire, does /var/run/icecc/ exist?
[10:50] <steveire> zAo^: Nope
[10:50] <zAo^> create it then ;)
[10:52] <steveire> Hmm, that at least seems to get me onto the icecream network (I see myself in icemon), but I don't seem to be actually compiling through the network
[10:53] <steveire> stephen@hal:~/dev/build/qtbase-ns/qtbase-ns$ which g++
[10:53] <steveire> /usr/lib/icecc/bin//g++
[10:53] <steveire> stephen@hal:~/dev/build/qtbase-ns/qtbase-ns$ ll /usr/lib/icecc/bin//g++
[10:53] <steveire> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Dec 17 16:33 /usr/lib/icecc/bin//g++ -> ../../../bin/icecc*
[11:24] <BluesKaj> "Morning all
[12:36] <BluesKaj> installed the 310.14 experimental driver on Kubuntu 13.04 , but the 304.84 nvidia-current driver leaves the kernel module behind after the 310 install is finished and rebooted creating an API mismatch upon rebooting . Had to do a dpkg -r nvidia-304 to remove the left overs . The 310 kernel module / driver now boot into the OS just fine. Jockey isn't cleaning the old kernel module / drivers out whm installing the new driver
[12:36] <BluesKaj> .
[12:40] <k1l> i installed the 313 and it boots up to the 313 module just fine
[12:41] <BluesKaj> k1l:  don't think my card can handle the 313
[12:42] <BluesKaj> the 310.14 is about as bleeding edge my 8400GS can handle
[12:42] <k1l> got a 8600 gt m
[12:43] <BluesKaj> are you using the first experimental driver at the top of the list in jockey ?
[12:44] <k1l> i did use the 310 experimental at 12.10. that was the first entry in 13.04
[12:45] <k1l> just switched to the 313 some days ago. didnt had any püroblems with the 310 before
[12:45] <BluesKaj> the 8400gs driver recommended for linux on nvidia's site is the 310.40 , which isn't available in jockey for my card afaik
[12:48] <BluesKaj> unfortunately jockey doesn't give the driver numbers , just a name , so it's hard to tell what's being listed as experimental
[12:48] <k1l> jockey lists the numbers for me
[12:48] <k1l> BluesKaj: but you can install the nvidia drivers with apt. so you know exactly what to install
[12:49] <BluesKaj> unity eh, I'm a KDE guy , that probly expalins it
[12:49] <k1l> yeah. im on unity
[12:50] <k1l> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=raring&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia  is the list of available nvidia stuff
[12:50] <BluesKaj> k1l:  yeah I should have thought of that first ...not enough coffee yet this morning :)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> i still use synaptic for refernceing packages , should have looked up the drivers first
[12:56] <BluesKaj> k1l:  something odd , the 310 driver also installs the 313 settings updates , not the 310 settings updates
[12:56] <k1l> hmm
[12:57] <BluesKaj> anticipating a nvidia driver upgrade i guess
[13:14] <k1l> when opening nautilus on unity it seems to restart unity :/
[13:28] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, the 313 will drive your card
[13:28] <bjsnider> all hardware prior to the geforce 8 was dropped, but you have a geforce 8
[13:30] <BluesKaj> bjsnider:  nvidia's site recommends the 310.44 driver , and the 313 driver isn't listed in synaptic , but I can check again
[13:32] <BluesKaj> bjsnider:  there's no nvidia-313 driver listed in synaptic , only the dev , updates, and settings updates
[13:33] <bjsnider> ok, it's in xorg-edgers because it's still beta, but i assure you it will drive your hardware
[13:34] <BluesKaj> updates-dev rather
[13:34] <BluesKaj> the ppa , ok
[13:35] <BluesKaj> altho , the 310 seems to be doing fine atm
[13:35] <bjsnider> look for nvidia-313-updates
[13:35] <bjsnider> it's there
[13:38] <bjsnider> i expect users with old junk will be left on the nvidia-304 series and newer stuff will be on the 310 by the end of the raring cycle
[13:39] <BluesKaj> had to remove the nvidia-304 with dpkg -r in the tty..leftover modules created an API confict with the new 310 driver
[13:41] <bjsnider> they both create nvidia.ko, so i don't see how they could coexist
[13:49] <minas> i am using 13.04 and I have noticed that when I double click a script that has executable rights, I don't get promted to run it (that's what happen in 12.10). is this a bug?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ok bjsnider here goes , installing nvidia-313 as we speak
[14:00] <bjsnider> lemme know if the same thing happens that happened with the move from 304>310
[14:03] <BluesKaj> well I can remve the 310 module if need be
[14:03] <bjsnider> yes but if it happens again i want you to submitteth a buggeth
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok bjsnider nvidia 313.26 successfully installed , no glitches or bugs needeth be reporteth
[14:32] <bjsnider> that's no fun
[14:33] <BluesKaj> well did some cleaning house before rebooting auttoremove /autoclean etc
[14:41] <BluesKaj> bjsnider:  what's the better setting in desktop effects , native or raster , or does unity even give the option?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> dunno how much Qt is used on ubuntu
[14:42] <bjsnider> desktop effects?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> yeah kwin , not compiz
[14:45] <bjsnider> ask someone who knows something about kwin
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ok , just figureed you might have heard some comments about it
[14:48] <bjsnider> i have some comments about it, but i can't say them in here
[14:49] <BluesKaj> hehe ok , to each his own
[14:54] <BluesKaj> glxgears isn't very smooth ...herky jerky , was nice and smooth with the 310 driver :P
[16:18] <oskar-> hi all, has anyone else experienced a broken /usr/sbin/python during the release upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04?
[16:20] <oskar-> i had to remove package "nscd" and then install the new version of the "libc6" package to be able to continue.
[16:27] <SonikkuAmerica> There seems to be no way to install Google Chrome in 13.04 Beta 1 due to the absence of libudev0
[17:34] <sary> SonikkuAmerica: hi , what's wrong with Chromium!
[17:35] <wilee-nilee> sary, I don't think it is being maintained is it?
[17:37] <hachre1> ?
[17:37] <hachre1> why do I have a 1
[17:38] <hachre> why should Chromium not be maintained??
[17:40] <hachre> latest version is  25.0.1364.160-0ubuntu3 sounds quite up to date to me
[17:44] <SonikkuAmerica> One second... I'm getting out of a class
[17:45] <sary> wilee-nilee: hi :) sure it is, there i also PPA's for it ( stable,daily builds ) .
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> (btw my issue is with the Google Chrome .deb, not with ChromIUM)
[17:46] <hachre> SonikkuAmerica: where do you get that deb from?
[17:47] <hachre> current versions are 26.x for final, 26.x for beta and 27.x for dev... the 25->26. switch in final happened very recently
[17:47] <wilee-nilee> sary, the stable and daily were last loaded in 5-12-2012 ans 4-12-2012
[17:47] <SonikkuAmerica> hachre: Google's web site (using google-chrome-stable)
[17:48] <hachre> I'm using their ppa, but I'm using unstable
[17:48] <hachre> but it tells me
[17:48] <hachre> google-chrome-stable is  26.0.1410.43-r189671
[17:49] <hachre> which is perfectly up to date
[17:49] <SonikkuAmerica> One second.
[17:49] <hachre> deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[17:49] <hachre> that's what im using
[17:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Here's the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5671167/
[17:51] <wilee-nilee> I would look in the PPA's as far as last loads I believe none are really current, which does not necessarily matter it is a personal choice.
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Stupid pastebinit pipe didn't copy what was important...
[17:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Here's what really shows up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5671181/
[17:55] <hachre> So why don't you install libudev
[17:55] <hachre> 0
[17:56] <wilee-nilee> yeah installed in my 12.04 setup
[17:56] <hachre>  175-0ubuntu19 is current in raring
[17:57] <wilee-nilee> 9.3 in precise
[17:57] <sary> I have 25.0.1364.160-0ubuntu3
[17:57] <sary> in raring.
[17:58] <trism> it seems libudev0 was deleted a few hours ago, probably the issue
[17:58] <trism> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/libudev0
[17:58] <trism> since we have libudev1 now
[17:58] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, I'm back
[17:59] <hachre> wb
[17:59] <hachre> i was saying
[17:59] <hachre> why don't you install libudev0 then
[17:59] <trism> because it is not in the archive anymore...
[17:59] <SonikkuAmerica> It won't install: "has no installation candidate"
[17:59] <hachre> oh
[17:59] <hachre> that must be very new
[18:00] <hachre> i only installed this raring two days ago
[18:00] <hachre> and it worked then
[18:00] <trism> 17 hours ago
[18:00] <hachre> ok
[18:00] <hachre> well you can have my deb if you want ;D
[18:00] <hachre> i got 175-0ubuntu19
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> You could DCC it
[18:00] <hachre> ill upload it
[18:00] <hachre> to my server
[18:00] <hachre> sec
[18:01] <hachre> whoops
[18:02] <trism> you don't really need to do that, it is still on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/175-0ubuntu19 click on builds
[18:02] <otend> well, this is strange.  13.04 is more stable than 12.04 LTS on my setup.
[18:02] <otend> I'd usually have a GPU crash or two by now
[18:03] <wilee-nilee> otend, Both installs no upgrades, many possible variables.
[18:03] <otend> probably, yes
[18:04] <otend> I think it's a small thing within the versions, from 12.10 that was backported to 12.04
[18:04] <wilee-nilee> lol " probably, yes" ;)
[18:04] <hachre> it's vey small
[18:04] <otend> which seems to have been a bug fix for most, but constant crashes for me
[18:04] <otend> or, at least, implies it was a bug fix for most
[18:05] <hachre> SonikkuAmerica: http://hachre.de/forumhost/ubuntu/libudev0_175-0ubuntu19_amd64.deb
[18:05] <otend> still, other than some very minor issues, I've been having a nice, smooth experience so far
[18:05] <otend> it's shaping up quite well
[18:07] <bjsnider> theoretically gpu drivers should be getting more and more stable over time
[18:08] <genii-around> The key word being "theoretically"
[18:08] <sary> am trying to unmount (safely remove) my exteirnal hdd from the devices section in nautilus , is this normal! http://imgur.com/AYu5L66
[18:09] <hachre> sary: I don't see anything abnormal there
[18:12] <sary> when i rright-click the ejact button the trash message shows instead of the submenu for options.
[18:12] <benmoose> At any rate, udev needs back into Raring's main repos, or else a lot of ChromE users are about to get wiped.
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm benmoose. Apparently I force-closed XChat when I restarted.
[18:13] <hachre> SonikkuAmerica: hi
[18:13] <hachre> SonikkuAmerica: http://hachre.de/forumhost/ubuntu/libudev0_175-0ubuntu19_amd64.deb
[18:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Good to go. Processing normally. Any way to get that upstream?
[18:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Thanks btw
[18:17] <hachre> np, no idea why it is gone... maybe it has been replaced and google has to drop the dependency
[18:17] <hachre> or maybe it needs a transitinoal dummy package
[18:17] <trism> SonikkuAmerica: there are a couple bugs about it, although one is marked fixed, so it might just be a debian packaging issue: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=145160
[18:17] <trism> SonikkuAmerica: the bugs are for other distros of course (suse/fedora)
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> But still, libudev0 is needed to provide the .so.0 file.
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> (At least in Debian/Ubuntu)
[18:33] <qengho> SonikkuAmerica: what was your question?
[18:34] <SonikkuAmerica> I had an issue with Chrome not installing due to libudev0 (libudev.so.0) missing. We fixed it with hachre's version of udev.
[18:34] <qengho> SonikkuAmerica: chrome or ubutu chromium?
[18:35] <SonikkuAmerica> (Google) Chrome.
[18:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Chromium works fine, but I need Chrome for March Madness Live
[18:35] <SonikkuAmerica> 'cuz of the Flash Player version.
[18:35] <qengho> Ah.
[18:36] <SonikkuAmerica> And besides, if companies continue using Flash, Chrome will be the only viable browser for Linux machines after 2016.
[18:38] <SonikkuAmerica> At least YouTube will still be usable (HTML5 will hopefully be in a more perfect state by then)
[18:39] <qengho> SonikkuAmerica: are you using the internal "Pepper" flash, or a plugin for Flash?
[18:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Pepper Flash (still getting the multicolored spots). (Chromium uses the Flash plugin, of course)
[18:58] <hachre> is there any way currently to play videos on the web, i dont care with what or how, but with 3d acceleration?
[18:59] <hachre> i have minitube for youtube which works great, but thats just for youtube..
[19:51] <johnjohn101> seems like 3.5 weeks to release is taking forever
[19:53] <genii-around> johnjohn101: The last hours in #ubuntu-release-party seem to last for days
[19:54] <bazhang> hehe
[19:54] <johnjohn101> i personally can't wait until QT unity and mir.
[19:54] <bazhang> eons even
[19:56] <johnjohn101> this is looking like another nice solid release.  still can't believe they wanted to futz with the current model. but considering i don't pay anything, it's ok
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> hey
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> and after over 2 months
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> the gsettings bug seems to have been fixed
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> we will see how long I manage to be online :D
[21:07] <boldfilter> Could you use an older version of gnome-panel from 12.10 on 13.04
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> boldfilter: because of the notify area?
[21:09] <boldfilter> ApplicationPlaces
[21:09] <boldfilter> --no space
[21:13] <boldfilter> See
[21:13] <boldfilter> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r6fdzjwtpl1cyby/NoSpace.png
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> I have nothing like that
[21:14] <boldfilter> Really?
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> isn't global menu supposed to replace that?
[21:14] <boldfilter> Oh, this is classic
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> can't comment
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> stock unity here
[21:17] <boldfilter> I like to use Docky so I use it
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> I loved gnome-do
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> still do :)
[21:17] <FernandoMiguel> but unity conflicted too much with it
[21:58] <Malgorath> Are there any beta releases we can d/l yet of 13.04?
[21:59] <k1l> sure
[21:59] <boldfilter> $ sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:00] <Malgorath> I have a new system i was going to install so its not got any OS on it yet to upgrade with, was hoping for an ISO but I'll just go 12.10 for now then
[22:01] <k1l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[22:02] <Malgorath> thanks k1l
[23:48] <Elfin> i have some questions about raring ringtail
[23:49] <Elfin> why is unity not included?
[23:51] <IdleOne> who said it wasn't?
[23:51] <IdleOne> Ubuntu comes with the Unity shell.
[23:52] <Elfin> hmm.. i'm confised then. i seem to only have gnome
[23:52] <IdleOne> Did you download Ubuntu GNOME?
[23:52] <Elfin> i've installed from the 28 Mar daily build and ran all updates. and no, this is basically stock ubuntu
[23:53] <IdleOne> where are you getting the iso?
[23:53] <Elfin> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[23:53] <Elfin> I happen to be downloading the Apr 2 daily build now
[23:53] <k1l> whats the .iso called you downloaded?
[23:54] <IdleOne> those should be the default ubuntu
[23:54] <Elfin> raring-desktop-amd64.iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:55] <Elfin> when logging in, i see the gnome greeter (if thats the name for it) not the unity greeter, and I only have GNOME under session
[23:58] <Elfin> i installed unity from the software center and it worked fine except i'm missing the themes. I'm forced to use unity with the gnome theme
[23:58] <k1l> are you sure you didnt slip to the ubuntu-gnome dailies?
[23:59] <Elfin> i'm positive
[23:59] <Elfin> i guess my only hope would be to reinstall from the apr 2 daily im downloading now