| === thomi|lunch is now known as thomi | ||
| mwhudson | has anyone managed to make isky work on ubuntu? | 01:43 |
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| G | mwhudson: I had it working during the RWC, just used Chrome tbh | 01:45 |
| mwhudson | chrome or chromium? | 01:46 |
| mwhudson | i guess chrome might work better, perhaps | 01:46 |
| mwhudson | i get encouraging messages like "14:47:30.151 INFO playerwidget FlashAccessProcess :: system could not be updated to access drm [IOErrorEvent type="ioError" bubbles=false cancelable=false eventPhase=2 text="Error #2203"] " in the console :/ | 01:47 |
| ojwb | so flash hasn't died yet then? | 01:53 |
| mwhudson | bah, chrome doesn't work in an apparently unrelated way | 01:53 |
| mwhudson | ojwb: no :( | 01:53 |
| ojwb | about the only thing I notice these days from not having flash is the odd youtube video refuses to play | 01:54 |
| ojwb | seemingly because it can't squirt ads via HTML video, which seems a bonus really | 01:54 |
| ojwb | i'm likely atypical in my web usage, but i've had a definite sense that flash is in decline | 01:57 |
| hads | I think you can thank mobile browsers for that. | 01:57 |
| G | mwhudson: straight Chrome | 02:13 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 18:18 |
| Atamira | morning | 18:19 |
| chilts | morning | 19:25 |
| ajmitch | morning | 19:33 |
| hads | morning | 19:36 |
| Atamira | wellingtonians. other than Te Papa, anything else to see while visiting the windy city? | 19:46 |
| ojwb | probably | 19:47 |
| ojwb | depends what you like though | 19:47 |
| ojwb | oh, also morning | 19:48 |
| ojwb | museum-wise, the museum of city and sea is also worth a look | 19:49 |
| Atamira | is that close to te papa? | 19:49 |
| Atamira | i like museums. knick knack shops. just having a look around generally | 19:50 |
| ojwb | it's certainly walkable | 19:50 |
| ojwb | it's near the shore, to the north | 19:50 |
| ibeardslee | hmm not a good sign when apport-gtk crashes when something else crashes | 20:03 |
| snail | Atamira: national portrait gallery is close to te papa | 20:04 |
| snail | Atamira: catch the cablecar up to VUW (www.adamartgallery.org.nz) or the botanic gardens? | 20:05 |
| snail | Atamira: do a tour of parliment? | 20:06 |
| ojwb | there's also a (pretty tiny) cable car museum at the top of the cablecar | 20:07 |
| snail | and the carter observatory, which has a planetarum | 20:07 |
| * ojwb still hasn't got round to going there | 20:07 | |
| snail | ojwb: they've just completely refurbished it | 20:08 |
| Atamira | i unfortunately dont much like heights...other than planes | 20:16 |
| Atamira | to the cablecar is out | 20:17 |
| Atamira | tour of the beehive..ooh..didnt think of that | 20:17 |
| Atamira | thank you snial and ojwb | 20:17 |
| Atamira | oops..snail | 20:17 |
| Atamira | im off to bed. | 20:17 |
| ojwb | Atamira: it's not an "up on a wire" cable car | 20:24 |
| ojwb | it runs along rail, pulled by cables | 20:24 |
| ojwb | heights really wouldn't be a problem | 20:24 |
| ibeardslee | more like a very steep train on tracks (just happens to use a cable to haul it up and lower it down) | 20:25 |
| thumper | morning | 20:25 |
| mwhudson | i'm not sure it's super great if you have vertigo-type problems :) | 20:27 |
| mwhudson | although the one in hong kong is definitely worse | 20:27 |
| mwhudson | morning, btw | 20:27 |
| thumper | mwhudson: you back now? | 20:31 |
| mwhudson | thumper: aye | 20:31 |
| thumper | mwhudson: it seemed like you were away for quite a while | 20:42 |
| mwhudson | thumper: yeah -- a month, give or take | 20:42 |
| thumper | mwhudson: all holiday? | 20:42 |
| mwhudson | no, i worked a bit from the uk | 20:42 |
| ojwb | going over there, taking their jobs... | 20:43 |
| chilts | that's the good thing with remote jobs, you can work from anywhere | 20:53 |
| chilts | there's a few of us in this channel doing that aye | 20:53 |
| * ojwb still hasn't worked for anybody in NZ | 20:57 | |
| mwhudson | which reminds me, i need to sort my paperwork to get lots of GST back from the government... | 20:59 |
| G | remote working brings up interesting management chains I've found too, until recently my management chain looked like a route for a round-the-world trip | 21:13 |
| ojwb | i'm just self-employed, so the management chain is usually just me to the client | 21:13 |
| ojwb | or at least i tend not to see much more of it | 21:14 |
| kcj | Morning. | 21:53 |
| thumper | mwhudson: you get GST back? | 22:50 |
| thumper | mwhudson: from what? | 22:50 |
| mwhudson | thumper: office rental mostly | 22:51 |
| mwhudson | other assorted bits | 22:51 |
| thumper | mwhudson: ah... | 22:51 |
| mwhudson | also acc :) | 22:51 |
| chilts | they charge GST on ACC ... I forgot about that | 22:56 |
| chilts | pretty weird since it's only sold to businesses right, not to consumers? | 22:57 |
| chilts | dunno | 22:57 |
| ibeardslee | it's a business selling a 'product' | 22:57 |
| chilts | ACC is a business? | 22:58 |
| chilts | hmmmm, ok | 22:58 |
| ojwb | coo, I'd not noticed that one | 23:03 |
| mwhudson | isn't the nz principle that gst gets charged on _everything_ ? | 23:06 |
| mwhudson | well, every good or service | 23:06 |
| ojwb | i think so - i guess i just think of acc as a tax (since it's very roughly equivalent to national insurance in the UK) | 23:07 |
| ojwb | though it seems to be better ring-fenced here | 23:08 |
| chilts | ACC is not on bank fees | 23:08 |
| chilts | wait | 23:08 |
| ojwb | GST | 23:08 |
| chilts | I'm getting confused, ignore me | 23:08 |
| chilts | yeah, GST | 23:08 |
| ojwb | i assume you mean? | 23:08 |
| chilts | sorry | 23:08 |
| chilts | :) | 23:08 |
| chilts | GST also isn't on various other things either, like houses | 23:08 |
| chilts | (unless you're a property developer) | 23:08 |
| ojwb | or from companies below the threshold and not registered for GST | 23:09 |
| ojwb | but it's more ubiquitous that UK VAT which has a somewhat odd list of exceptions (e.g. VAT on chocolate biscuits because they are a luxury, but no VAT on cakes because they aren't, so mcvities went to court to argue that jaffacakes are cakes not biscuits) | 23:11 |
| mwhudson | i think there is something about hot and cold food, or takeaway and eat-in or something along those lines | 23:13 |
| ojwb | yeah | 23:13 |
| ojwb | and tampons are apparently a luxury | 23:13 |
| ojwb | no VAT on kids clothes, but it's done by size, so many kids actually need sizes which VAT is charged on | 23:14 |
| mwhudson | and vv | 23:15 |
| ojwb | indeed | 23:15 |
| G | wouldn't the whole luxury/non-luxury thing defeat the purpose of VAT/GST | 23:24 |
| ojwb | it certainly makes things more complex | 23:25 |
| chilts | yeah, definitely more complex | 23:26 |
| chilts | I think there is VAT on stuff that is eaten in, but not taken out (to clarify what mwhudson said before) | 23:27 |
| G | certainly sounds more complex than Australia too | 23:29 |
| ojwb | chilts: there are hot vs cold distinctions too - e.g the whole "pasty tax" saga http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/29/pasty-tax-brief-history | 23:33 |
| mwhudson | there was some graph somewhere that showed that we pay more gst than people in the uk pay VAT despite VAT being 20%, due to all the exemptions | 23:34 |
| mwhudson | ojwb: that's pretty hilarious | 23:35 |
| ojwb | i suspect it depends on the sort of food you buy, and whether you have (small enough) kids | 23:35 |
| ojwb | i love the idea of food that is designed to cool down | 23:35 |
| ojwb | vs food where that's a design flaw, i guess | 23:35 |
| chilts | heh, weird | 23:39 |
| ibeardslee | chilts: from what I understand is that there is GST in a house sale, just like in theory there is in the stuff you sell on tradme, but people involved in the transaction aren't necessarily GST registered | 23:45 |
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