=== thomi|lunch is now known as thomi [01:43] has anyone managed to make isky work on ubuntu? [01:45] mwhudson: I had it working during the RWC, just used Chrome tbh [01:46] chrome or chromium? [01:46] i guess chrome might work better, perhaps [01:47] i get encouraging messages like "14:47:30.151 INFO playerwidget FlashAccessProcess :: system could not be updated to access drm [IOErrorEvent type="ioError" bubbles=false cancelable=false eventPhase=2 text="Error #2203"] " in the console :/ [01:53] so flash hasn't died yet then? [01:53] bah, chrome doesn't work in an apparently unrelated way [01:53] ojwb: no :( [01:54] about the only thing I notice these days from not having flash is the odd youtube video refuses to play [01:54] seemingly because it can't squirt ads via HTML video, which seems a bonus really [01:57] i'm likely atypical in my web usage, but i've had a definite sense that flash is in decline [01:57] I think you can thank mobile browsers for that. [02:13] mwhudson: straight Chrome [18:18] morning [18:19] morning [19:25] morning [19:33] morning [19:36] morning [19:46] wellingtonians. other than Te Papa, anything else to see while visiting the windy city? [19:47] probably [19:47] depends what you like though [19:48] oh, also morning [19:49] museum-wise, the museum of city and sea is also worth a look [19:49] is that close to te papa? [19:50] i like museums. knick knack shops. just having a look around generally [19:50] it's certainly walkable [19:50] it's near the shore, to the north [20:03] hmm not a good sign when apport-gtk crashes when something else crashes [20:04] Atamira: national portrait gallery is close to te papa [20:05] Atamira: catch the cablecar up to VUW (www.adamartgallery.org.nz) or the botanic gardens? [20:06] Atamira: do a tour of parliment? [20:07] there's also a (pretty tiny) cable car museum at the top of the cablecar [20:07] and the carter observatory, which has a planetarum [20:07] * ojwb still hasn't got round to going there [20:08] ojwb: they've just completely refurbished it [20:16] i unfortunately dont much like heights...other than planes [20:17] to the cablecar is out [20:17] tour of the beehive..ooh..didnt think of that [20:17] thank you snial and ojwb [20:17] oops..snail [20:17] im off to bed. [20:24] Atamira: it's not an "up on a wire" cable car [20:24] it runs along rail, pulled by cables [20:24] heights really wouldn't be a problem [20:25] more like a very steep train on tracks (just happens to use a cable to haul it up and lower it down) [20:25] morning [20:27] i'm not sure it's super great if you have vertigo-type problems :) [20:27] although the one in hong kong is definitely worse [20:27] morning, btw [20:31] mwhudson: you back now? [20:31] thumper: aye [20:42] mwhudson: it seemed like you were away for quite a while [20:42] thumper: yeah -- a month, give or take [20:42] mwhudson: all holiday? [20:42] no, i worked a bit from the uk [20:43] going over there, taking their jobs... [20:53] that's the good thing with remote jobs, you can work from anywhere [20:53] there's a few of us in this channel doing that aye [20:57] * ojwb still hasn't worked for anybody in NZ [20:59] which reminds me, i need to sort my paperwork to get lots of GST back from the government... [21:13] remote working brings up interesting management chains I've found too, until recently my management chain looked like a route for a round-the-world trip [21:13] i'm just self-employed, so the management chain is usually just me to the client [21:14] or at least i tend not to see much more of it [21:53] Morning. [22:50] mwhudson: you get GST back? [22:50] mwhudson: from what? [22:51] thumper: office rental mostly [22:51] other assorted bits [22:51] mwhudson: ah... [22:51] also acc :) [22:56] they charge GST on ACC ... I forgot about that [22:57] pretty weird since it's only sold to businesses right, not to consumers? [22:57] dunno [22:57] it's a business selling a 'product' [22:58] ACC is a business? [22:58] hmmmm, ok [23:03] coo, I'd not noticed that one [23:06] isn't the nz principle that gst gets charged on _everything_ ? [23:06] well, every good or service [23:07] i think so - i guess i just think of acc as a tax (since it's very roughly equivalent to national insurance in the UK) [23:08] though it seems to be better ring-fenced here [23:08] ACC is not on bank fees [23:08] wait [23:08] GST [23:08] I'm getting confused, ignore me [23:08] yeah, GST [23:08] i assume you mean? [23:08] sorry [23:08] :) [23:08] GST also isn't on various other things either, like houses [23:08] (unless you're a property developer) [23:09] or from companies below the threshold and not registered for GST [23:11] but it's more ubiquitous that UK VAT which has a somewhat odd list of exceptions (e.g. VAT on chocolate biscuits because they are a luxury, but no VAT on cakes because they aren't, so mcvities went to court to argue that jaffacakes are cakes not biscuits) [23:13] i think there is something about hot and cold food, or takeaway and eat-in or something along those lines [23:13] yeah [23:13] and tampons are apparently a luxury [23:14] no VAT on kids clothes, but it's done by size, so many kids actually need sizes which VAT is charged on [23:15] and vv [23:15] indeed [23:24] wouldn't the whole luxury/non-luxury thing defeat the purpose of VAT/GST [23:25] it certainly makes things more complex [23:26] yeah, definitely more complex [23:27] I think there is VAT on stuff that is eaten in, but not taken out (to clarify what mwhudson said before) [23:29] certainly sounds more complex than Australia too [23:33] chilts: there are hot vs cold distinctions too - e.g the whole "pasty tax" saga http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/29/pasty-tax-brief-history [23:34] there was some graph somewhere that showed that we pay more gst than people in the uk pay VAT despite VAT being 20%, due to all the exemptions [23:35] ojwb: that's pretty hilarious [23:35] i suspect it depends on the sort of food you buy, and whether you have (small enough) kids [23:35] i love the idea of food that is designed to cool down [23:35] vs food where that's a design flaw, i guess [23:39] heh, weird [23:45] chilts: from what I understand is that there is GST in a house sale, just like in theory there is in the stuff you sell on tradme, but people involved in the transaction aren't necessarily GST registered