[07:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:42] <bigcalm> Dave2: you wanted a reminder
[07:51] <AlanBell> morning
[07:53] <popey> https://twitter.com/FarnhamBeerex looks like it's been hacked/compromised
[07:53] <kvarley> Where are the stock icons stored that notify-send uses?
[07:55] <popey> dpkg -L notify-osd
[07:55] <popey>  /usr/share/notify-osd/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/notification-power.svg
[07:55] <popey> for example
[07:55] <kvarley> Thanks popey :)
[08:00] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, it was sending me DMs
[08:00] <kvarley> Am I right in thinking that RSync can't do date time stamped destination folders?
[08:12] <popey> kvarley: why?
[08:13] <kvarley> popey: I expected a flag for doing date but I've just made a bash script and got the date via the date command. Doing backups to an external hard drive, need each one to have the date on
[08:14] <popey> you could use rsnapshot or rdiff-backup which does this for you
[08:15] <popey> and will save space
[08:15] <popey> by only backing up what's changed
[08:16] <kvarley> popey: I've setup rsync to do checksum checks, is that enough or should I switch to either of the tools you recommended?
[08:18] <popey> well I dont know what your goal is or what you've done with rsync
[08:18] <popey> but for regular backups those two tools kinda beat stock rsync
[08:20] <kvarley> Basically it's to backup my parents home folders. So it will probably be run daily via cron. Would something like owncloud be better? They do a lot of work in LibreOffice and have family pictures on there - that's about it aside from email which is on the server anyway.
[08:21] <JamesTait> Happy World Autism Awareness Day, folks! :-D
[08:23] <popey> for my mum I use the standard backup tool in ubuntu - deja-dup
[08:28] <SuperMatt> urgh, I have the kernal install problem again. Anyone able to remind me of the fix?
[08:29] <popey> you shouldn't have
[08:29] <popey> same machine?
[08:29] <SuperMatt> different
[08:29] <popey> kill it and then "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then "sudo apt-get -f install" and "sudo apt-get --fix-policy"
[08:29] <popey> and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to be sure
[08:30] <SuperMatt> thanks
[08:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:41] <kvarley> brobostigon: \0
[08:42] <brobostigon> kvarley: o/
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: fix-policy doesn't exist?
[08:45] <SuperMatt> oh... it's gone stuck again on the dist-upgrade
[08:45] <popey> sorry, install --fix-policy
[08:46] <SuperMatt> oh wait... it's not
[08:46] <SuperMatt> it's doing the headers now, just taking it's sweet time
[08:48] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:56] <popey> SuperMatt: all sorted?
[08:57] <knightwise> hmm.. rummaging around in Azure at the moment
[08:57] <knightwise> creatin databases and stuff.
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> Windows Azure?
[09:04] <SuperMatt> popey: looks like it, thanks
[09:05] <SuperMatt> *sigh* excluding all crons and nagios warnings, etc, I only have 21 emails
[09:05] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: correct
[09:06] <SuperMatt> and none of them require any action
[09:06] <SuperMatt> email needs to diaf
[09:07] <DJones> Are there any known issues with pidgin in 13.04? For some reason, mine doesn't update the timeline, it just shows the tweets from last time I connected using it which was 340 days ago (been using polly since then), tried removing and re-adding the account with no effect
[09:09] <AlanBell> my desktop background appears to have gone
[09:09] <AlanBell> been absent for a week or so, and isn't there in a guest session either
[09:10]  * popey wonders if AlanBell is missing packages
[09:19]  * AlanBell updates and does ubuntu-desktop^
[09:53] <BigRedS> pidgin does twitter?
[09:53] <brobostigon> thats new to me.
[10:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:01] <davmor2> Everyone have a nice long weekend?
[10:03]  * BigRedS spent it at work
[10:04] <DJones> BigRedS: brobostigon Whoops, I meant Gwibber
[10:04] <brobostigon> DJones: :)
[10:05] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: you poor thing :(
[10:13] <davmor2> BigRedS: :) you mean at the coffee machine twiddling your thumbs desperately trying to stay awake right ;)
[10:18] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: How are you Mucka
[10:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: glad for a 4 day weekend. Didn't work myself to death either. You?
[10:20] <bigcalm> Not so glad about the 2 4 day weeks though
[10:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: mostly I just crashed out :)  Very nice relax.
[10:22] <BigRedS> davmor2: Haha, I watched a lot of TV :)
[10:23] <BigRedS> Having periods of time where you sit around waiting for stuff to break is good incentive to spend the rest of the time making things not arbitrarily break
[10:23] <SuperMatt> I spent 10 hours of my weekend playing bioshock infinite
[10:23] <SuperMatt> totally worth it
[10:25] <mungbean> is there a way to find out which argos stores have stock of an item? it just says 10 nearest stores dont have it, but doesn't say which ones do
[10:25] <DJones> mungbean: Don't think so, only trial and error with the stores
[10:25] <AlanBell> mungbean: sure it does :)
[10:26] <mungbean> seems like a complete fail. unavailable to reserve otherwise
[10:27] <popey> works here
[10:27] <AlanBell> click "check other stores"
[10:27] <AlanBell> you can do 2 at a time
[10:27] <popey> or scroll down
[10:28] <mungbean> Sorry, this item is currently out of stock in the 10 nearest stores
[10:29] <popey> put in a further away postcode?
[10:30] <mungbean> what if i have to do that for every postcode in england to discover the only store in stock is in aberdeen?
[10:31] <mungbean> shouldn't it allow me to say find stores with stock
[10:32] <AlanBell> mungbean: you don't want reserve and collect in that case
[10:32] <mungbean> home delivery is unavailable
[10:33] <AlanBell> it is probably a discontinued item
[10:33] <mungbean> but why are they selling the item if its out of stock everywhere?
[10:33] <mungbean> i found a website to search further afield
[10:34] <AlanBell> probably because they are based around the printed catalog
[10:34] <mungbean> i guess if its out of stock for delivery, then general availablity is low
[10:34] <AlanBell> so if it is in the current printed dead tree website then it is in the online website
[10:34] <mungbean> its something on good offer atm so maybe just all snapped up
[10:35] <popey> i would imagine thier backend would get a kicking if everyone was able to search stock in all stores
[10:35] <popey> ..and be accurate
[10:36] <mungbean> this is a handy site http://www.icheckstock.co.uk/Argos-Popular-Searches.aspx
[10:40] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ get a ticket for a train instead
[10:40] <AlanBell> easy availability checking
[10:41] <popey> \o/
[10:42] <SuperMatt> http://divshot.github.com/geo-bootstrap/
[10:49] <AlanBell> classy
[10:50] <zleap> does anyone know the command arguments for graphics magic to place a small creative commons logo in the corner of an image
[10:51] <zleap> trying to work it out but having problems finding instructions for what i need
[10:52] <mgdm> zleap: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/annotating/#watermarking ?
[10:52] <zleap> ok
[10:52] <mgdm> GM shouldn't have diverged too far from IM
[10:52] <zleap> thanks
[10:52] <zleap> i can do it manually in gimp but want this for a large number of images
[10:57] <bigcalm> mgdm: have you considered the importance of attending http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ ?
[10:59] <popey> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f487/?cpg=fbl_f487
[10:59] <mgdm> I have
[10:59] <popey> awesome 3d printer ☺
[10:59] <mgdm> the issue is that it's *miles* away
[11:00] <bigcalm> popey: that is cool!
[11:01] <bigcalm> mgdm: not quite as far as oggcamp was 2 years ago (close though)
[11:01] <davmor2> man kids have all the cool things
[11:01] <mgdm> wasn't that an april fool one
[11:01] <mgdm> ?
[11:01] <popey> yes
[11:01] <mgdm> bigcalm: that doesn't really help :-)
[11:02] <bigcalm> mgdm: poop
[11:02] <bigcalm> I'm travelling some distance to attend, but then I'm crazy like that
[11:02] <mgdm> heh
[11:03] <mgdm> I'd have to get to London first, then along there
[11:03] <mgdm> so I'll have a think, but I'm not hopeful, sadly :(
[11:06] <bigcalm> The thought counts, so thank you :)
[11:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: why did you add "like that" to your last line
[11:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: oh you are a card
[11:08] <bigcalm> s/are a /
[11:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: I've been called a lot of things in my life A card is the politest :D
[11:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm a nice person really :)
[11:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is a difference between polite and nice :D
[11:10] <bigcalm> I can be both
[11:10] <bigcalm> Screw you guys, I'm getting lunch
[11:10] <davmor2> Ah there is the bigcalm I know :)
[11:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: joining us tomorrow night?
[11:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: I am
[11:11] <bigcalm> Grrrr
[11:11] <bigcalm> Why is Thunderbird only updating when I switch the workspace with it on
[11:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: didn't see your ml reply until just now by switching to thunderbird
[11:12] <bigcalm> Anyway, lunch
[11:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: save on power and bandwidth the same as firefox maybe
[11:46] <DJones> In a day and age where everything about everybody seems to be online, you wouldn't think it would be so hard to find somebody who's gone missing
[11:50] <davmor2> DJones: they can easily go offline
[11:52] <DJones> I think this is more a case that they disappeared before friends reunited, facebook etc appeared, possibly changed names, left the country and not had contact with anybody from their previous life
[12:32] <BigRedS> bigcalm: One of the reasons I stopped using tb was that it seemed to never update without being asked to
[12:32] <BigRedS> and *still* ran away with all my memory. I kept thinking I had no mail, then clicked on the inbox and suddenly had 30 messages
[12:32] <bigcalm> I just used whatever was the default mail client at the time
[12:33] <bigcalm> Happy to try another client that will cope with 5 IMAP accounts and give me calendars
[12:33] <BigRedS> I use Mutt and Google Calendar. Two extremes :)
[12:33] <bigcalm> :D
[12:33] <BigRedS> I couldn't find a GUI mail client that wasn't rubbish
[12:33] <bigcalm> I don't want a web client and I prefer using the GUI
[12:34] <DJones> What alternatives are there to thunderbird though, multi account capeable, still being actively developed etc
[12:34] <BigRedS> Evolution? Someone here uses that and it seems a lot better htan it was
[12:34] <BigRedS> which, admittedly, isn't hard
[12:34] <BigRedS> but nobody develops mail clients any more. It's all about webmail.
[12:34] <DJones> I though Evolution was the one that wasn't being actively developed
[12:34] <popey> BigRedS: i dont get that with tb, but I have every folder set to be subscribed, and the tickbox to check for mail in this folder
[12:35] <popey> and I have about 30 folders set as "favorite"
[12:35] <popey> and only view those
[12:35] <BigRedS> popey: yeah, I had that. I spent a long time experimenting it 'cause I really like Mozilla and didn't want to dislike any of their software
[12:35] <BigRedS> this was ~11.10 though. I've been told it's better now, but mutt/offlineimap/msmtp is serving me pretty well
[12:36] <BigRedS> especially since configuring my mail client is now just a git checkout away :)
[12:37]  * popey hugs mutt
[12:37] <DJones> I like the look of geary but I don't think its multi account capeable yet
[12:39] <popey> i think it does now
[12:41] <DJones> I'll have another look at it tonight
[12:42]  * penguin42 is a mutt user as well - albeit directly rather than via imap; I did remember finding it tricky to get imap connections to stay open
[12:43] <popey> i use mutt directly now too
[12:43] <popey> offlineimap as a cron job which syncs imap mail to my machine and back
[12:43] <penguin42> ah ok
[12:43] <shauno> yeah, mutt & maildir ftw
[12:43] <popey> which means mutt is super quick
[12:43] <penguin42> popey: It's nice being able to check my 10k entry spam folder in about 30 seconds
[12:44] <mgdm> I use Mutt occasionally, directly on my mail server
[12:45] <bigcalm> Silly VirginMedia outages :(
[12:45]  * penguin42 has to admit that it's not *that* easy to read mail from a touchscreen phone with an ssh to mutt, but it does work :-)
[12:46] <shauno> I just use my phone's native client via imap for that.  but that's for putting out fires in the inbox, not sitting down witha  glass and far too many MLs
[12:47] <bigcalm> popey: any news on a native email client for the touch os? Will it support multiple accounts?
[12:48] <popey> we're working on it
[12:49] <bigcalm> :)
[12:49] <popey> you're welcome to help ☺
[12:49] <mgdm> what's it built in?
[12:49] <popey> it isnt yet
[12:50] <penguin42> the tricky bit on a phone is getting the message density while still being able to navigate with big thick fingers
[12:50] <popey> we looked at trojita as a possible base
[12:51] <mgdm> I once experimented with tinymail for something like that
[12:51] <mgdm> though that just covers the IMAP part
[12:52] <popey> trojita doesn't do pop, needs a qml frontend made
[13:00] <bigcalm> geary looks nice, think it'll get multi-account support?
[13:03] <DJones> bigcalm: The website suggests its a known issue being worked on
[13:08] <bigcalm> DJones: ah, I couldn't see it from my quick glance. Is it an old ticket?
[13:11] <DJones> bigcalm: Looks like its already there http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/desktop-e-mail-app-geary-adds-multiple-accounts
[13:46] <kvarley> How can I mount my nexus 10 in ubuntu?
[13:46] <kvarley> In MTP mode it doesn't appear in nautilus, only if I switch to PTP mode does it work but that seems to be just for camera pictures
[13:47] <kvarley> Ah, feature confirmed for 13.04
[13:47] <popey> !info gmtp
[14:22] <bigcalm> !ping
[14:22] <bigcalm> !ding
[14:22] <bigcalm> !king
[14:22] <bigcalm> \o/
[14:23] <mgdm> !pong
[14:23] <bigcalm> !kong
[14:23]  * bigcalm looks at Dave2
[14:30]  * Dave2 looks at bigcalm 
[14:31] <bigcalm> Choochoo
[14:31] <bigcalm> ?
[14:31] <Dave2> oh, yes
[14:31] <Dave2> I've just been looking at stuff for moar beer
[14:31] <Dave2> (Reading beer festival)
[14:31] <bigcalm> Handy link for you: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/
[14:33] <Dave2> thankse
[14:33] <davmor2> Dave2: Why would you want to Read a beer festival, surely the aim is to drink :)
[14:33] <Dave2> har har.
[14:38] <Dave2> bigcalm: booked
[14:39] <bigcalm> ooo, The page shows my mug shot in the comments now, yay
[14:39] <bigcalm> Dave2: yayb \o/
[14:39] <bigcalm> Dave2: yay beer \o/
[14:39] <bigcalm> Dave2: add yourself in the comments :)
[14:41] <Dave2> bigcalm: done
[14:41] <bigcalm> Hazar
[14:44] <bigcalm> That's 6 people so far. Wonder if we'll get more
[14:44] <bigcalm> Erm, 7 people
[14:46] <bigcalm> Where's that aquarius gone?
[14:47] <aquarius> am provisionally up for it, but not yet sure, hence no response :)
[14:47] <bigcalm> aquarius: good show :)
[14:47] <bigcalm> aquarius: I shall be grilling Adam Sweet at the LUG tomorrow night
[14:47] <bigcalm> (in case that's an incentive)
[14:54] <dogmatic69> I have a pc that is close to full (hdd). What are some good things to clean up on ubuntu?
[14:54] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: personal downloads, apt-cache
[14:54] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: log files
[14:55] <dogmatic69> I have cleared out /var/log before with not much difference
[14:55] <AlanBell> use baobab to find the stuff
[14:55] <dogmatic69> just looking at ~/ now and will try the apt-cache
[14:55] <dogmatic69> hmm. I will check that.
[14:56] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: I guess that lists big files?
[14:56] <AlanBell> it maps out directory sizes recursively
[14:56] <AlanBell> and shows you pretty pictures
[14:56] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: Disk Usage Analyser
[14:58] <dogmatic69> bah. and its a server. no gui
[15:02] <davmor2> dogmatic69: du -ha > file.size.txt
[15:03] <davmor2> dogmatic69: do that from where ever you want to analyse
[15:04] <davmor2> dogmatic69: it'll produce a huge file by the way and you'll get stuff like 1.2M	./Pictures/2008/05/07/hpim0733.jpg
[15:04] <dogmatic69> ye
[15:04] <dogmatic69> I see.
[15:09] <dogmatic69> davmor2: actuall baobab will work fine. I just run it from my pc like baobab /server-drive
[15:09] <davmor2> dogmatic69: oh well there you go then
[19:00] <andylockran> Anyone have recommendations on a home energy monitor ?
[19:01] <andylockran> reckon this looks good? http://www.edfenergy.com/products-services/for-your-home/ecomanager/
[19:03] <dogmatic69> andylockran: http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/
[19:07] <andylockran> dogmatic69: that looks like too much effort :p
[19:07] <dogmatic69> hehe
[19:18] <mungbean> andylockran: what do u want it to do
[19:19] <mungbean> i have a currentcost one i got for free
[19:22] <mungbean> gathers power and temperature readings and sends them to my low powered linux box, (think rasbpi type thing)
[19:56] <Seeker`> has anyone been skein hashing today?
[19:59] <mgdm> been what now?
[20:00] <mungbean> sounds a bit scottish
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> skein = password hashing thing, right/
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skein_(hash_function)
[20:01] <mungbean> i been snipping rose bushes and mowing the lawn
[20:08] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: yeah, related to yesterdays XKCD
[20:23] <zleap> hey tom
[20:32] <penguin42> popey: I remember you were measuring some house temperatures; were those air temperatures or on the heating system itself?
[20:34] <popey> general house temp
[20:38] <penguin42> popey: Thanks; I'm currently video recording the display on my boiler
[20:38] <popey> hows that working out?
[20:38] <AlanBell> sounds exciting
[20:39] <AlanBell> a youtube hit in the making
[20:39] <penguin42> popey: Well I'm trying to get to the bottom of why my shower sometimes runs cold and it's a bit difficult to tell - the boiler doesn't really have enough info
[20:39] <penguin42> AlanBell: Be careful, I  was thinking of uploading it
[20:40] <popey> after how long does it go cold?
[20:40] <popey> while you're in it I guess?
[20:40] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, and the problem is it's very very variable
[20:40] <penguin42> popey: Some nights it doesn't do it, some just at the end, some fairly early on (and that's when it pisses me off)
[20:41] <penguin42> http://www.treblig.org/daveG/boiler/  has videos
[20:41] <penguin42> popey: The boiler display only shows the heating system temp not the hot water temp, so it's difficult to follow what's really going on
[20:42] <popey> and there's no hot water from taps either?
[20:42] <penguin42> popey: on the one or two times I've managed to test that, no there isn't
[20:45]  * penguin42 suspects it might not do it tonight, it's a bit warmer
[20:56] <popey> enthralling video penguin42
[20:56] <penguin42> popey: I like to think as the director, and special effects expert I did the most to make it interesting
[20:58] <penguin42> popey: The bit I'd like to understand is about 9:50 or so into it, when it's starting to go cold and then the rest drops
[21:13] <bigcalm> popey: when was the last time you tried to ssh into a machine on your home network from an external source?
[21:15] <popey> uhm
[21:15] <popey> 3 seconds ago
[21:15] <bigcalm> Okay, so hopefully it's not a VirginMedia issue
[21:16] <bigcalm> I can't ssh into my home lan or even connect on port 80
[21:18] <popey> what happens if you nmap yourself from outside?
[21:18] <bigcalm> Running that right now
[21:19]  * bigcalm twiddles thumbs
[21:23] <bigcalm> It scanned 1000 ports and says they were all filtered
[21:23] <bigcalm> I haven't changed anything on my router recently, so I don't understand why it's stopped working now
[21:25] <popey> what is the router uptime?
[21:26] <bigcalm> 4h 20m 1s
[21:26] <bigcalm> Going to try rebooting the modem in a bit
[21:26] <popey> have you ssh'ed since then?
[21:26] <bigcalm> That shouldn't make a bit of difference :S
[21:26] <bigcalm> No
[21:26] <bigcalm> I've tried
[21:27] <bigcalm> Doesn't work for me
[21:28] <bigcalm> I've just added port forwarding to allow ssh to a workstation. That's timing out as well
[21:32] <bigcalm> What's the default IP address of the VM super hub?
[21:32] <bigcalm> 0.1
[21:32] <bigcalm> Ta
[21:39] <popey> wb
[21:39] <bigcalm_> That's interesting. The SuperHub had switched out of Modem Only Mode
[21:39] <popey> odd
[21:39] <bigcalm_> Thanks
[21:39] <popey> that explains it
[21:42] <bigcalm> I'm guessing that VM forced a modem update upon the hardware
[21:43] <bigcalm> Sod, IP address has changed now :)
[21:44] <bigcalm> That'll be why I cannie connect on the old IP address
[22:41] <bigcalm> That's Blue Shift finished
[22:43] <bigcalm> Now to start up Opposing Forces