[07:42] Good morning peeps :) [07:42] Dave2: you wanted a reminder === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [07:51] morning [07:53] https://twitter.com/FarnhamBeerex looks like it's been hacked/compromised [07:53] Where are the stock icons stored that notify-send uses? [07:55] dpkg -L notify-osd [07:55] /usr/share/notify-osd/icons/hicolor/scalable/status/notification-power.svg [07:55] for example [07:55] Thanks popey :) [08:00] popey: yeah, it was sending me DMs [08:00] Am I right in thinking that RSync can't do date time stamped destination folders? === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [08:12] kvarley: why? [08:13] popey: I expected a flag for doing date but I've just made a bash script and got the date via the date command. Doing backups to an external hard drive, need each one to have the date on [08:14] you could use rsnapshot or rdiff-backup which does this for you [08:15] and will save space [08:15] by only backing up what's changed [08:16] popey: I've setup rsync to do checksum checks, is that enough or should I switch to either of the tools you recommended? [08:18] well I dont know what your goal is or what you've done with rsync [08:18] but for regular backups those two tools kinda beat stock rsync [08:20] Basically it's to backup my parents home folders. So it will probably be run daily via cron. Would something like owncloud be better? They do a lot of work in LibreOffice and have family pictures on there - that's about it aside from email which is on the server anyway. [08:21] Happy World Autism Awareness Day, folks! :-D [08:23] for my mum I use the standard backup tool in ubuntu - deja-dup [08:28] urgh, I have the kernal install problem again. Anyone able to remind me of the fix? [08:29] you shouldn't have [08:29] same machine? [08:29] different [08:29] kill it and then "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then "sudo apt-get -f install" and "sudo apt-get --fix-policy" [08:29] and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to be sure [08:30] thanks [08:37] good morning everyone, [08:41] brobostigon: \0 [08:42] kvarley: o/ [08:44] popey: fix-policy doesn't exist? [08:45] oh... it's gone stuck again on the dist-upgrade [08:45] sorry, install --fix-policy [08:46] oh wait... it's not [08:46] it's doing the headers now, just taking it's sweet time [08:48] hey everyone [08:48] morning knightwise [08:56] SuperMatt: all sorted? [08:57] hmm.. rummaging around in Azure at the moment [08:57] creatin databases and stuff. [08:59] Windows Azure? [09:04] popey: looks like it, thanks [09:05] *sigh* excluding all crons and nagios warnings, etc, I only have 21 emails [09:05] MartijnVdS: correct [09:06] and none of them require any action [09:06] email needs to diaf [09:07] Are there any known issues with pidgin in 13.04? For some reason, mine doesn't update the timeline, it just shows the tweets from last time I connected using it which was 340 days ago (been using polly since then), tried removing and re-adding the account with no effect [09:09] my desktop background appears to have gone [09:09] been absent for a week or so, and isn't there in a guest session either [09:10] * popey wonders if AlanBell is missing packages [09:19] * AlanBell updates and does ubuntu-desktop^ [09:53] pidgin does twitter? [09:53] thats new to me. [10:00] Morning all [10:01] morning davmor2 [10:01] Everyone have a nice long weekend? [10:03] * BigRedS spent it at work [10:04] BigRedS: brobostigon Whoops, I meant Gwibber [10:04] DJones: :) [10:05] BigRedS: you poor thing :( [10:13] BigRedS: :) you mean at the coffee machine twiddling your thumbs desperately trying to stay awake right ;) [10:18] Morning davmor2 [10:19] bigcalm: How are you Mucka [10:19] davmor2: glad for a 4 day weekend. Didn't work myself to death either. You? [10:20] Not so glad about the 2 4 day weeks though [10:22] bigcalm: mostly I just crashed out :) Very nice relax. [10:22] davmor2: Haha, I watched a lot of TV :) [10:23] Having periods of time where you sit around waiting for stuff to break is good incentive to spend the rest of the time making things not arbitrarily break [10:23] I spent 10 hours of my weekend playing bioshock infinite [10:23] totally worth it [10:25] is there a way to find out which argos stores have stock of an item? it just says 10 nearest stores dont have it, but doesn't say which ones do [10:25] mungbean: Don't think so, only trial and error with the stores [10:25] mungbean: sure it does :) [10:26] seems like a complete fail. unavailable to reserve otherwise [10:27] works here [10:27] click "check other stores" [10:27] you can do 2 at a time [10:27] or scroll down [10:28] Sorry, this item is currently out of stock in the 10 nearest stores [10:29] put in a further away postcode? [10:30] what if i have to do that for every postcode in england to discover the only store in stock is in aberdeen? [10:31] shouldn't it allow me to say find stores with stock [10:32] mungbean: you don't want reserve and collect in that case [10:32] home delivery is unavailable [10:33] it is probably a discontinued item [10:33] but why are they selling the item if its out of stock everywhere? [10:33] i found a website to search further afield [10:34] probably because they are based around the printed catalog [10:34] i guess if its out of stock for delivery, then general availablity is low [10:34] so if it is in the current printed dead tree website then it is in the online website [10:34] its something on good offer atm so maybe just all snapped up [10:35] i would imagine thier backend would get a kicking if everyone was able to search stock in all stores [10:35] ..and be accurate [10:36] this is a handy site http://www.icheckstock.co.uk/Argos-Popular-Searches.aspx [10:40] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ get a ticket for a train instead [10:40] easy availability checking [10:41] \o/ [10:42] http://divshot.github.com/geo-bootstrap/ [10:49] classy [10:50] does anyone know the command arguments for graphics magic to place a small creative commons logo in the corner of an image [10:51] trying to work it out but having problems finding instructions for what i need [10:52] zleap: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/annotating/#watermarking ? [10:52] ok [10:52] GM shouldn't have diverged too far from IM [10:52] thanks [10:52] i can do it manually in gimp but want this for a large number of images [10:57] mgdm: have you considered the importance of attending http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ ? [10:59] http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f487/?cpg=fbl_f487 [10:59] I have [10:59] awesome 3d printer ☺ [10:59] the issue is that it's *miles* away [11:00] popey: that is cool! [11:01] mgdm: not quite as far as oggcamp was 2 years ago (close though) [11:01] man kids have all the cool things [11:01] wasn't that an april fool one [11:01] ? [11:01] yes [11:01] bigcalm: that doesn't really help :-) [11:02] mgdm: poop [11:02] I'm travelling some distance to attend, but then I'm crazy like that [11:02] heh [11:03] I'd have to get to London first, then along there [11:03] so I'll have a think, but I'm not hopeful, sadly :( [11:06] The thought counts, so thank you :) [11:06] bigcalm: why did you add "like that" to your last line [11:07] davmor2: oh you are a card [11:08] s/are a / [11:08] bigcalm: I've been called a lot of things in my life A card is the politest :D [11:09] davmor2: I'm a nice person really :) [11:09] bigcalm: there is a difference between polite and nice :D [11:10] I can be both [11:10] Screw you guys, I'm getting lunch [11:10] Ah there is the bigcalm I know :) [11:11] davmor2: joining us tomorrow night? [11:11] bigcalm: I am [11:11] Grrrr [11:11] Why is Thunderbird only updating when I switch the workspace with it on [11:12] davmor2: didn't see your ml reply until just now by switching to thunderbird [11:12] Anyway, lunch [11:14] bigcalm: save on power and bandwidth the same as firefox maybe [11:46] In a day and age where everything about everybody seems to be online, you wouldn't think it would be so hard to find somebody who's gone missing [11:50] DJones: they can easily go offline [11:52] I think this is more a case that they disappeared before friends reunited, facebook etc appeared, possibly changed names, left the country and not had contact with anybody from their previous life === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:32] bigcalm: One of the reasons I stopped using tb was that it seemed to never update without being asked to [12:32] and *still* ran away with all my memory. I kept thinking I had no mail, then clicked on the inbox and suddenly had 30 messages [12:32] I just used whatever was the default mail client at the time [12:33] Happy to try another client that will cope with 5 IMAP accounts and give me calendars [12:33] I use Mutt and Google Calendar. Two extremes :) [12:33] :D [12:33] I couldn't find a GUI mail client that wasn't rubbish [12:33] I don't want a web client and I prefer using the GUI [12:34] What alternatives are there to thunderbird though, multi account capeable, still being actively developed etc [12:34] Evolution? Someone here uses that and it seems a lot better htan it was [12:34] which, admittedly, isn't hard [12:34] but nobody develops mail clients any more. It's all about webmail. [12:34] I though Evolution was the one that wasn't being actively developed [12:34] BigRedS: i dont get that with tb, but I have every folder set to be subscribed, and the tickbox to check for mail in this folder [12:35] and I have about 30 folders set as "favorite" [12:35] and only view those [12:35] popey: yeah, I had that. I spent a long time experimenting it 'cause I really like Mozilla and didn't want to dislike any of their software [12:35] this was ~11.10 though. I've been told it's better now, but mutt/offlineimap/msmtp is serving me pretty well [12:36] especially since configuring my mail client is now just a git checkout away :) [12:37] * popey hugs mutt [12:37] I like the look of geary but I don't think its multi account capeable yet [12:39] i think it does now [12:41] I'll have another look at it tonight [12:42] * penguin42 is a mutt user as well - albeit directly rather than via imap; I did remember finding it tricky to get imap connections to stay open [12:43] i use mutt directly now too [12:43] offlineimap as a cron job which syncs imap mail to my machine and back [12:43] ah ok [12:43] yeah, mutt & maildir ftw [12:43] which means mutt is super quick [12:43] popey: It's nice being able to check my 10k entry spam folder in about 30 seconds [12:44] I use Mutt occasionally, directly on my mail server [12:45] Silly VirginMedia outages :( [12:45] * penguin42 has to admit that it's not *that* easy to read mail from a touchscreen phone with an ssh to mutt, but it does work :-) [12:46] I just use my phone's native client via imap for that. but that's for putting out fires in the inbox, not sitting down witha glass and far too many MLs [12:47] popey: any news on a native email client for the touch os? Will it support multiple accounts? [12:48] we're working on it [12:49] :) [12:49] you're welcome to help ☺ [12:49] what's it built in? [12:49] it isnt yet [12:50] the tricky bit on a phone is getting the message density while still being able to navigate with big thick fingers [12:50] we looked at trojita as a possible base [12:51] I once experimented with tinymail for something like that [12:51] though that just covers the IMAP part [12:52] trojita doesn't do pop, needs a qml frontend made [13:00] geary looks nice, think it'll get multi-account support? [13:03] bigcalm: The website suggests its a known issue being worked on === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:08] DJones: ah, I couldn't see it from my quick glance. Is it an old ticket? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|reboot [13:11] bigcalm: Looks like its already there http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/desktop-e-mail-app-geary-adds-multiple-accounts === slvr_ is now known as slvr [13:46] How can I mount my nexus 10 in ubuntu? [13:46] In MTP mode it doesn't appear in nautilus, only if I switch to PTP mode does it work but that seems to be just for camera pictures [13:47] Ah, feature confirmed for 13.04 [13:47] !info gmtp [13:47] gmtp (source: gmtp): simple MP3 player client for MTP based devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1 (quantal), package size 117 kB, installed size 394 kB === Mez_ is now known as Mez [14:22] !ping [14:22] pong! [14:22] !ding [14:22] dong [14:22] !king [14:22] kong [14:22] \o/ [14:23] !pong [14:23] pong is an old atari game. It's fun! [14:23] !kong [14:23] * bigcalm looks at Dave2 [14:30] * Dave2 looks at bigcalm [14:31] Choochoo [14:31] ? [14:31] oh, yes [14:31] I've just been looking at stuff for moar beer [14:31] (Reading beer festival) [14:31] Handy link for you: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ [14:33] thankse [14:33] Dave2: Why would you want to Read a beer festival, surely the aim is to drink :) [14:33] har har. [14:38] bigcalm: booked [14:39] ooo, The page shows my mug shot in the comments now, yay [14:39] Dave2: yayb \o/ [14:39] Dave2: yay beer \o/ [14:39] Dave2: add yourself in the comments :) === RaycisCharles is now known as GentileBen === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:41] bigcalm: done [14:41] Hazar [14:44] That's 6 people so far. Wonder if we'll get more [14:44] Erm, 7 people [14:46] Where's that aquarius gone? [14:47] am provisionally up for it, but not yet sure, hence no response :) [14:47] aquarius: good show :) [14:47] aquarius: I shall be grilling Adam Sweet at the LUG tomorrow night [14:47] (in case that's an incentive) [14:54] I have a pc that is close to full (hdd). What are some good things to clean up on ubuntu? [14:54] dogmatic69: personal downloads, apt-cache [14:54] dogmatic69: log files [14:55] I have cleared out /var/log before with not much difference [14:55] use baobab to find the stuff [14:55] just looking at ~/ now and will try the apt-cache [14:55] hmm. I will check that. [14:56] AlanBell: I guess that lists big files? [14:56] it maps out directory sizes recursively [14:56] and shows you pretty pictures [14:56] dogmatic69: Disk Usage Analyser [14:58] bah. and its a server. no gui [15:02] dogmatic69: du -ha > file.size.txt [15:03] dogmatic69: do that from where ever you want to analyse [15:04] dogmatic69: it'll produce a huge file by the way and you'll get stuff like 1.2M ./Pictures/2008/05/07/hpim0733.jpg [15:04] ye [15:04] I see. === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:09] davmor2: actuall baobab will work fine. I just run it from my pc like baobab /server-drive [15:09] dogmatic69: oh well there you go then === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [19:00] Anyone have recommendations on a home energy monitor ? [19:01] reckon this looks good? http://www.edfenergy.com/products-services/for-your-home/ecomanager/ [19:03] andylockran: http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/ [19:07] dogmatic69: that looks like too much effort :p [19:07] hehe [19:18] andylockran: what do u want it to do [19:19] i have a currentcost one i got for free [19:22] gathers power and temperature readings and sends them to my low powered linux box, (think rasbpi type thing) [19:56] has anyone been skein hashing today? [19:59] been what now? [20:00] sounds a bit scottish [20:00] skein = password hashing thing, right/ [20:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skein_(hash_function) [20:01] i been snipping rose bushes and mowing the lawn [20:08] MartijnVdS: yeah, related to yesterdays XKCD [20:23] hey tom [20:32] popey: I remember you were measuring some house temperatures; were those air temperatures or on the heating system itself? [20:34] general house temp [20:38] popey: Thanks; I'm currently video recording the display on my boiler [20:38] hows that working out? [20:38] sounds exciting [20:39] a youtube hit in the making [20:39] popey: Well I'm trying to get to the bottom of why my shower sometimes runs cold and it's a bit difficult to tell - the boiler doesn't really have enough info [20:39] AlanBell: Be careful, I was thinking of uploading it [20:40] after how long does it go cold? [20:40] while you're in it I guess? [20:40] popey: Yeh, and the problem is it's very very variable [20:40] popey: Some nights it doesn't do it, some just at the end, some fairly early on (and that's when it pisses me off) [20:41] http://www.treblig.org/daveG/boiler/ has videos [20:41] popey: The boiler display only shows the heating system temp not the hot water temp, so it's difficult to follow what's really going on [20:42] and there's no hot water from taps either? [20:42] popey: on the one or two times I've managed to test that, no there isn't [20:45] * penguin42 suspects it might not do it tonight, it's a bit warmer [20:56] enthralling video penguin42 [20:56] popey: I like to think as the director, and special effects expert I did the most to make it interesting [20:58] popey: The bit I'd like to understand is about 9:50 or so into it, when it's starting to go cold and then the rest drops [21:13] popey: when was the last time you tried to ssh into a machine on your home network from an external source? [21:15] uhm [21:15] 3 seconds ago [21:15] Okay, so hopefully it's not a VirginMedia issue [21:16] I can't ssh into my home lan or even connect on port 80 [21:18] what happens if you nmap yourself from outside? [21:18] Running that right now [21:19] * bigcalm twiddles thumbs [21:23] It scanned 1000 ports and says they were all filtered [21:23] I haven't changed anything on my router recently, so I don't understand why it's stopped working now [21:25] what is the router uptime? [21:26] 4h 20m 1s [21:26] Going to try rebooting the modem in a bit [21:26] have you ssh'ed since then? [21:26] That shouldn't make a bit of difference :S [21:26] No [21:26] I've tried [21:27] Doesn't work for me [21:28] I've just added port forwarding to allow ssh to a workstation. That's timing out as well [21:32] What's the default IP address of the VM super hub? [21:32] 0.1 [21:32] Ta [21:39] wb [21:39] That's interesting. The SuperHub had switched out of Modem Only Mode [21:39] odd [21:39] Thanks [21:39] that explains it === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [21:42] I'm guessing that VM forced a modem update upon the hardware [21:43] Sod, IP address has changed now :) [21:44] That'll be why I cannie connect on the old IP address [22:41] That's Blue Shift finished [22:43] Now to start up Opposing Forces