[00:21] <SunStar> perhapse permissions preoblem
[00:44] <dlumberg> perms on what?
[00:44] <dlumberg> and why would it change on a crash?
[04:55] <teejmya> So is this place alive, or what?
[04:58] <SunStar> yeah
[04:58] <SunStar> when it suites us
[08:39] <phf> hello, i'm experiencing unexpected trouble with my installation of 12.10. suddenly it won't boot anymore, it just kind of freezes displaying a few messages that are all commented with [OK]. i suggest there's something wrong with the graphics.
[08:41] <phf> does anybody have any advice? in addition: i installed rosegarden yesterday, that went well. one of the messages, displayed on the screen is "starting timidity alsa midi emulation [ok]", and it is often, but not always, the last message that is displayed, before there is no progress anymore.
[08:47] <Evil[1]> hello, I got some little questions... I tried ubuntu last year on my laptop and got massive problems with overheat and battery drain (that phoronix thing)... is this problem fix in recent versions?
[08:48] <Evil[1]> and secondly, is xubuntu is a fully supported distribution?
[08:53] <SunStar> 1) overheat fixed by running fans more, battery still drains quicker than it should. 2) yes
[08:58] <phf> okay i just got back into xfce, typing 'startx'. -.- any comments on that? :D
[09:00] <Evil[1]> hmmm, thanks.
[09:03] <Evil[1]> 2) is nice to hear... unity isn't my cup of tea, xfce is such a nice thing... but 1) is a real showstopper, to bad... if one thing is excellent in win7, then it's the power management.
[09:06] <SunStar> i dont know any linux that doesnt excessivly drain the battery
[09:07] <TheSheep> works fine on non-faulty hardware :)
[09:07] <SunStar> it should just work
[09:07] <SunStar> shouldnt need special hardware
[09:07] <TheSheep> it doesn't need special hardware, but if the hardware maker did something horrible, like in this case, there is nothing you can do
[09:08] <Evil[1]> yeah... but "more fan" to solve the overheat problem isn't a solution I would bet my bucks on.
[09:09] <TheSheep> agreed, fixing the hardware is the solution
[09:13] <Evil[1]> sadly enough, I'm not a hardware manufactor :-P My Acer Aspire 5750G works like a charm, silent and cool... good cheap hardware...
[09:14] <TheSheep> good for you
[09:15] <Evil[1]> not that good. as I'd like to change to xubuntu...
[09:15] <TheSheep> I wish that laptop manufacturers would have a little more transparency about what's inside the laptop you are buying :/
[09:19] <SunStar> Evil[1], try 13.04
[09:35] <Evil[1]> hmmm... I have an optimus graphics chipset... so it seems like a good idea to disable the nVidia side of things in the bios?
[09:39] <TheSheep> or just install bumblebee
[09:42] <Evil[1]> I just need the nVidia side of things for Diablo 3 which is for windows only anyways...
[09:43] <TheSheep> bumblebee comes with bbswitch and power management for the nvidia card
[09:45] <Evil[1]> hmmm... have to read some docs then.
[09:46] <Evil[1]> interesting.
[09:48] <Evil[1]> anyway, thanks for the help... I'll give it a try this evening. will report in tomorrow with a "how it went" report :-D
[12:56] <SliceofLife> hi all
[12:56] <knome> hello
[12:57] <SliceofLife> hi, i have come on here looking for awee bit of help after faing to find the answer on google
[12:57] <Wizard> !ask
[12:58] <SliceofLife> i have this directory: /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo  but i have no system sounds working, can anyone tell me how to get them working please?
[13:00] <SliceofLife> !Ask i have this directory: /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo  but i have no system sounds working, can anyone tell me how to get them working please?
[13:01] <SliceofLife> !ask
[13:01] <SliceofLife> i have this directory: /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo  but i have no system sounds working, can anyone tell me how to get them working please?
[14:26] <PhoenixSTF> hey anyone installed the amd 13.1 driver?
[14:47] <niuniomartinez> Hi
[14:48] <niuniomartinez> I've just upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and I've found few issues with OpenGL/Nvidia.
[14:57] <PhoenixSTF> we are all having issues with grafic cards lately
[14:58] <niuniomartinez> Oh...
[14:58] <FRO5T> not me, im radeon user xD
[14:58] <niuniomartinez> Anyway, I see "jockey" was deprecated.
[15:00] <niuniomartinez> So, should I have to wait?
[17:40] <n-iCe> 's back
[19:02] <Wizard> Hi.
[19:03] <Wizard> Is there any way to force Java apps to use GTK LAF on Xubuntu?
[19:03] <Wizard> Seems java reads some gnome-speciffic settings to detect theme and doesn't obey XFCE settings manager :(
[19:34] <stlu> hi
[19:34] <lderan> hi
[19:37] <stlu> I'm trying to find out if sshd gives out information about valid usernames
[19:37] <Pici> What do you mean?
[19:38] <stlu> I posted the info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2131725
[19:38] <stlu> I want to know if the attacker can see which usernames are real or not.
[19:38] <Pici> no
[19:39] <Pici> you may want to install fail2ban, which will block repeated failed password logins from the same ip address
[19:39] <stlu> Yes, I'm thinking of DenyHosts or fail2ban, this is an unexpected exercise for me today...
[19:40] <stlu> But the odd thing is, when I set PermitRootLogin to No, the attack changed.
[19:40] <stlu> It should not be able to know anything changed.
[19:41] <Pici> sshd doesn't give a different error message if the username is valid or invalid
[19:41] <stlu> freaky coincidence then
[19:42] <Pici> anyway, fail2ban is one of the first things I install if I have a public facing ssh server.
[19:45] <genii-around> Pici: I change 22 to something obscure
[19:46] <stlu> genii-around: as would I, usually.  this is a special case for me, where I wanted it on 22
[19:47] <stlu> I am planning to offer free shell accounts, in hopes of providing for educational use.
[19:48] <stlu> ...And perhaps to learn  a thing or two about security from the not-so-good users
[19:51] <genii-around> Might want to also look at honeypot
[19:57] <stlu> I've seen the project honeypot page, do you mean setting up my own?
[19:58] <SunStar> whats wrong with just running an old winme machine with iis?
[19:58] <SunStar> XD
[20:00] <stlu> I'm trying out DenyHosts first, since it seems like a simpler method
[20:32] <xubuntu903> Hi, I when I was set up my Xubuntu 12.04, I went to the site, "Xubuntu, a Classic Beauty" and followed the instructions to update first. I was sent to the Software section where it said that there was a bunch of updates to download, so I did, and I downloaded the new driver there too. Today, I am being told that there are 5 more updates to be had. Is it alright to keep up with updates? I mean, it's not going to hurt my setup right
[20:32] <xubuntu903> sorry  new here with linux
[20:33] <Myrtti> the updates aren't offered to make the computers run worse
[20:33] <Myrtti> that's not their intended effect
[20:33] <xubuntu903> hahaha  that's funny   o.k.
[20:33] <Pici> Those are regular security updates that you will continue to see.
[20:34] <xubuntu903> I just read somewhere to not update, maybe they said, not "upgrade". That would mean another clean download of Xubuntu 12.10 Right?
[20:36] <Myrtti> there's nothing to upgrade to yet
[20:36] <Myrtti> unless you push some buttons or switches that should be well hidden
[20:37] <xubuntu903> oh    what do you mean?  How about 12.10?
[20:37] <Pici> From 12.04 you can upgrade to 12.10
[20:38] <Myrtti> ah right, it was 12.04
[20:38] <xubuntu903> They say that 12.04 is better than 12.10. I also read that you have to save your files and a bunch of stuff before you want to upgrade to 12.10.
[20:38] <Pici> 'updates' usually just mean upgrading packages on the same release
[20:38] <Myrtti> sorry, misread
[20:38] <Pici> You should always preform a backup before any system upgrade.
[20:39] <xubuntu903> oh   good   that's what I want to know. So,  how long it 12.04 supported, and what exactly does "supported" mean/
[20:39] <Pici> Chances are, even if things go wrong, you'd still be able to recover your files, but it just makes things easier.
[20:39] <Pici> 12.04 is supported for 5 years, which means that security updates will be published for that amount of time.  It does not mean that you will packages updated with new features though.
[20:40] <xubuntu903> o.k.   that's good.. I think that's all of my questions for now. Thanks!
[20:49] <knome> Pici, 3 years for xubuntu though.
[21:26] <paulofr> algum brasileiro ou falar portugues ?
[21:32] <stlu> frick, I finished configuring DenyHosts and the attacker has gone elsewhere...
[21:34] <stlu> I wanted to see my new tool in action!
[22:08] <stlu> DenyHosts processed my existing log, denied my attacker already.  So I won't have to wait after all!
[23:28] <n-iCe> guys
[23:29] <n-iCe> how is it called when you move the mouse to a corner and all the windows go to a background so you can choose between them?
[23:29] <ochosi> expose
[23:29] <ochosi> the only way you can really get that feature is to use compiz in xubuntu
[23:29] <n-iCe> expose? can it be enabled on xubuntu 12.10?
[23:29] <n-iCe> oh
[23:29] <n-iCe> compiz is not installed by default with xbuntu right?
[23:29] <ochosi> or you can install skippy-xd, but it's not entirely stable and stuff
[23:30] <ochosi> no
[23:30] <n-iCe> then I don't want it
[23:30] <n-iCe> :p
[23:30] <ochosi> should be in the FAQ though i suppose
[23:30] <ochosi> compiz is a lot more resource hungry and surely not as stable as xfwm4
[23:30] <ochosi> so yeah, if you care about those things, then compiz isn't for you :p
[23:31] <n-iCe> I don't really care
[23:31] <n-iCe> But seems useful and fast to use
[23:31] <n-iCe> but I don't wanna start installing useless stuff
[23:34] <ochosi> personally i felt like adjusting my workflow to expose is harder than expected
[23:34] <ochosi> it's very mouse-focused
[23:35] <ochosi> and the keyboard ended up being faster/easier for me for many scenarios
[23:36] <ochosi> (afk)