[01:17] <ahoneybun> Do I need to be running the latest Kubuntu image to help out>
[08:20] <Riddell> ahoneybun: hi
[08:21] <Riddell> you don't need to be running the latest although it helps for a lot of things, virtual machines can be used if you don't want to install it directly
[08:53] <Mamarok> yofel: don't know if this is worth updating the package, but we have quite a few 12.04 users for Amarok 2.7, and 2.5 is really too old now
[09:47] <Riddell> go go beta testing! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds
[09:47] <Riddell> !ninjas | beta testing
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Wrong factoid?
[09:48] <Riddell> mm
[09:48] <Riddell> !testers | beta testing
[09:48] <smartboyhw> And why aren't Murthy + me in the Ninjas factoid? LOL
[09:49] <Riddell> smartboyhw: feel free to update it :)
[09:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I'm on mobile.....
[09:49] <smartboyhw> How to?
[09:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: /msg ubottu I think
[09:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell erm that will kill me typing in my small smartphone (GALAXY Pocket, old 2.3 version)
[09:52] <Riddell> ubottu: no ninjas is apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy 
[09:52] <Riddell> think that did it
[09:52] <smartboyhw> !ninjas
[09:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell no
[09:53] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it needs to be manually approved
[09:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: on it
[09:55] <smartboyhw> XD
[09:57] <soee> Riddell, ninjas ppa ?
[09:57] <Tm_T> done
[09:57] <Tm_T> !ninjas
[09:57] <soee> ah its iso
[09:57] <Tm_T> aww
[09:58] <smartboyhw> lol
[09:58] <Riddell> there is also 4.10.2 in ninjas PPA for the testing
[09:59] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, ninjas-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy
[09:59] <soee> Riddell, it is ready ? 
[09:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: does that factoid be needed elsewhere than in this channel only?
[09:59] <Riddell> Tm_T: nope
[10:00] <Riddell> soee: dunno that's what the testing would be about :)
[10:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks, I'll drop the global one
[10:00] <soee> Riddell, i see pykde4 failed to build ?
[10:00] <soee> http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.2_raring.html
[10:01] <Riddell> soee: yeah, a mystery so far that one
[10:11] <Riddell> whee Muon 2! http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/muon-suite-2-0-0-released/
[10:11] <smartboyhw> Yo
[10:22]  * smartboyhw hopes his application for Ubuntu RMB will get througj
[10:23] <Riddell> RMB?
[10:23] <Riddell> right mouse button?
[10:23] <Riddell> you have a context menu to show the world?
[10:23] <smartboyhw> LOL Regional Membership Board
[10:23] <Riddell> aah
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell: You making post-April Fools Day joke!?
[10:24] <Riddell> nope, I'd never seen that acronym before
[10:24] <Riddell> be careful not to overreach yourself, very easy to get spread too thin in open source development
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Yeah
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Anyway it just one meeting per month
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Not too much
[10:25] <smartboyhw> I really hate April Fools Day this year
[10:26] <Riddell> I'm sure you'll think of a way to get ogra back
[10:26] <Riddell> reject his application to be a member of ubuntu in asia :)
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell nah 
[10:26] <smartboyhw> We solved the thing in yesterday's #ubuntu-release
[10:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell:It is the first joke that hit me a lot more
[10:27] <Riddell> which one was that?
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Change of project lead in Ubuntu Studio
[10:28] <smartboyhw> I miss ScottL
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Isn't ogra an Ubuntu member?
[10:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes, but I trumped him by 2 minutes to be the first ubuntu member
[10:29] <Riddell> although I'm restricted to only uploading packages beginning with a k
[10:29] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:36] <lordievader>  I'm afraid I don't have much time the coming weeks to test the beta. My test week is coming up, I really need to study. Sorry, hope I can squeeze in a test here and there.
[10:36] <smartboyhw> uh oh
[10:38]  * yofel is on a trip till weekend and can't test anything - crappy connection
[10:38] <smartboyhw> Riddel wait a minute how come an Ubuntu membership application cost 2 min? (According to time diff between you and ogra_)
[10:38] <smartboyhw> OH NO
[10:38] <smartboyhw> I might not be able to either
[10:39] <Riddell> lordievader: good luck testing
[10:39] <Riddell> yofel: have fun tripping
[10:39] <smartboyhw> I have a lot more to do tmr for Ubuntu Studio (testing + release)
[10:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well it might have been 5 minutes I beat him by, it was many years ago
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Naming me Release Manager just makes it worse lol
[10:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, 5 minutes is also very short
[10:42] <smartboyhw> mine took 13
[10:42] <smartboyhw> (Accorrding to the IRC logs
[10:45] <Tm_T> smartboyhw_: it's anything between 2 minutes to 30
[10:46] <Tm_T> smartboyhw_: and the process was bit different back then... (:
[10:46] <smartboyhw_> Tm_T never saw one having 2 min
[10:47] <Tm_T> smartboyhw_: did you see any approvals back in 200...5 6 or 7 ? (:
[10:48] <smartboyhw_> Tm_T trying to see logs of Riddell and ogra application
[10:48] <Riddell> claydoh, SteveRiley, Darkwing, valorie: anyone fancy doing the beta 2 notes?
[10:49] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: 2004 I think
[10:49] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Weird according to Launchpad you are 14 days later then pgr
[10:49] <smartboyhw_> s/pgr/ogra_/
[10:49] <kubotu> smartboyhw_ meant: "Riddell: Weird according to Launchpad you are 14 days later then ogra_"
[10:50] <Riddell> bah, I always said launchpad was buggy
[10:50] <Tm_T> ^
[10:59] <smartboyhw_> Riddell BAH can't find the logs
[11:00] <Riddell> lost in the mists of time :)
[11:03] <smartboyhw_> Riddell you remember getting membership through CC or TB?
[11:04] <yofel> did those even exist in 2004?
[11:04] <Riddell> they were both finding their feet
[11:04] <smartboyhw_> yofel: They do
[11:04] <Riddell> I think it was CC for membership then TB for universe then TB again for main
[11:05] <smartboyhw_> Ok
[11:05] <yofel> ah
[11:08] <smartboyhw_> Riddell you remember where your membership meeting was held? #ubuntu-meeting right?
[11:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: probably, but it was a long time ago!
[11:10] <Riddell> that channel might not have been logged then
[11:11] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: It is logges
[11:11] <smartboyhw_> But I can't find membership things im 2004
[11:17] <smartboyhw_> Hmm the membership process seems weird at that time
[11:17] <smartboyhw_> You sign the CoC and send it to somebody
[11:18] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: It makes sense niw
[11:18] <Riddell> it wasn't built into launchpad
[11:19] <smartboyhw_> Eh...
[11:19] <smartboyhw_> Anyways, quest stop
[11:20] <Riddell> shame I was looking forward to old memories :)
[11:21] <smartboyhw_> lol
[11:25] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: How many people you know have special Kubuntu Members user Avatars in Ubuntu Forums?
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:28] <smartboyhw_> Hello BluesKaj
[11:28] <BluesKaj> hey smartboyhw_
[11:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: mm what's a special Kubuntu Members user Avatar?
[11:36] <Tm_T> which forums?
[11:37] <Riddell> gosh, the low disk space warning just popped up
[11:37] <Riddell> I'd forgotten enturely about that
[11:37] <Riddell> best delete some things :)
[11:38] <Riddell> rm -r  4.8  4.8.5  4.8.80  4.8.90  4.8done  4.9.0  4.9.1  4.9.2  4.9.3  4.9.80  4.9.90  4.9.95  4.9.97  4.9.98  that should free up some
[11:39] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:50] <soee> yofel, 4.10.2 for raring is ready ?
[11:51] <Riddell> soee: needs testing
[11:51] <soee> Riddell, i can try it here on my work machine as its runngin raring
[11:54] <soee> Riddell, what pa is it ? i have only yofels here at work on my list :)
[11:58] <soee> yuo its 4.10.2 there, just tell me if i should use them 
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Ubuntu Forums at ubuntuforums.org
[12:00] <smartboyhw> If you are a Ubuntu member you get "Ubuntu Member" with five Ubuntu logos
[12:00] <smartboyhw> under your username
[12:01] <smartboyhw> For Kubuntu Members you get "Kubuntu member" with a Kubuntu logo
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Like me:)
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Forums is indeed sponsored by Canonical BTW
[12:03] <Tm_T> like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1715278
[12:03] <Tm_T> vbulletin ):
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Yes
[12:04] <Tm_T> it needs its own registration, no likey
[12:04] <Tm_T> and I don't see openid option, no likey
[12:05] <Tm_T> same here btw http://www.kubuntuforums.net/content.php
[12:07] <smartboyhw> Do Kubuntu members get special things like in the Ubuntu Forums? LOL
[12:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ^
[12:07] <smartboyhw> kidding
[12:07] <Tm_T> I presume we don't use forums much
[12:07]  * Tm_T doesn't, never learned 'em
[12:08] <shadeslayer> ^
[12:08] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: special things?
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Like what Tm_T postes
[12:26] <smartboyhw> s/postes/posted/
[12:26] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Like what Tm_T posted"
[12:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ^
[12:28] <smartboyhw> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1715278
[12:35] <Riddell>  svgpart (4:4.10.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu4:4.10.2~ubuntu12.10~ppa1~ppa1) quantal; urgency=low
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm I might not have quite understood this backport script
[12:35] <yofel> is that the up-to-date version from bzr?
[12:36] <yofel> as I remember seeing that
[12:36] <Riddell> yep, I ran it with  ./kubuntu-batch-backport -v 4.10.2 -f raring -t quantal -V 4:4.10.2~ubuntu12.10~ppa1
[12:36] <yofel> s/4:4.10.2~ubuntu12.10~ppa1/12.10/
[12:36] <kubotu> yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[12:36] <soee> yofel, can i use your ninja to update to 4.10.2 /
[12:36] <Riddell> yeah
[12:36] <Riddell> soee: yes, please do, testing needed
[12:36] <yofel> soee: yes
[12:37] <smartboyhw> !testers Please test KDE SC 4.10.2 in the Ninjas PPA and the Beta 2 builds
[12:37] <smartboyhw> ............
[12:38] <soee> :p
[12:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: needs a pipe I think
[12:38] <smartboyhw> !testers | Please test KDE SC 4.10.2 in the Ninjas PPA and the Beta 2 builds
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Yes!!!!!!!
[12:40] <shadeslayer> "Pipe this into that"
[12:40] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:40] <shadeslayer> when saying that around normal people they'll think you're a plumber
[12:41] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:43] <yofel> normal people are weird
[12:50] <soee> Riddell, no errors when upgrading
[12:50] <soee> will reboot now
[12:54] <BluesKaj> the ninjas ppas are disorganized jumbled , and poorly linked .. a proper url containing the build is in order here.
[12:54] <soee> Riddell, upgrade 4.10.1 => 4.10.2 on Raring - finished without problems
[12:55] <Riddell> soee: awooga
[12:55] <Riddell> soee: able to do any iso testing?
[12:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: there is only one ninja PPA, and that is private. So you need to be either a ninja, or need to ask one to get access to it. And that's intentional
[12:56] <soee> Riddell, not now - im at work but i can test later after 20:00 cet
[12:59] <BluesKaj> yofel:  fine , but if you want testers then they should have access to a site containing said app. 
[13:00] <Riddell> BluesKaj: app?  it's a PPA and we give out details to anyone willing to test
[13:01] <yofel> ^
[13:01] <BluesKaj> anyway , if you guys can come up with a link , I'll gladly give KDE SC 4.10.2 a try
[13:02] <BluesKaj> app ok , I meant the conting ppa 
[13:02] <Riddell> BluesKaj: /msg'ed
[13:03] <BluesKaj> containing rather
[13:04] <Quintasan> testing 4.10.2
[13:06] <Quintasan> whatever
[13:06] <Quintasan> I might as well as reinstall to raring
[13:07] <smartboyhw> What happened?
[13:08] <ScottK> yofel: Why do we need a Kubuntu backport script?  Why not just use backportpackage?
[13:09] <yofel> ScottK: does backportpackage support package-specific sed commands that should be run during the backport?
[13:09] <ScottK> Like what?  What are you trying to change?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> ok ,installing now
[13:10] <yofel> ScottK: various things like boost version in control files, kde-runtime needs a patch and a few runtime deps removed for precise and so on
[13:10] <yofel> you need to do that *every* time
[13:10] <ScottK> I see.
[13:10] <ScottK> No, it doesn't, but it might make sense to see about merging that into the regular backportpackage rather than maintain something entirely our own.
[13:11] <ScottK> I can imagine use cases for such things outside Kubuntu.
[13:12] <yofel> true, would require porting the stuff to backportpackage then. it's python while kubuntu-batch-backport is bash
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I saw that Kubuntu guys will meet with CC tmr right?
[13:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it's in my calendar, not heard anything from them, do you know who would be good to contact?
[13:13] <apachelogger> ScottK, yofel: doesn't kbackport work on bzr?
[13:14] <yofel> what's kbackport?
[13:14] <apachelogger> if so we'd still want a harness anyway
[13:14] <apachelogger> our backport script thing
[13:14] <apachelogger> whatever it is called
[13:14] <yofel> no
[13:14] <apachelogger> brrr
[13:14] <apachelogger> isn't that crappy to use then?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Go to #ubuntu-community-team and find czajowski or lyz (aka pleia2) or even dholbach
[13:15] <yofel> apachelogger: how is using pull-ppa-source + debuild crappier to use than bzr branch and bzr builddeb?
[13:15] <apachelogger> perhaps I don't get what the script does
[13:16] <yofel> essentially pull-ppa-source, dch, run a script, debuild -S -us -uc
[13:16] <apachelogger> hm
[13:16] <apachelogger> sounds slow what with pull-ppa-source
[13:16] <yofel> that in a loop for all packages in the backport list
[13:17] <yofel> it is a bit when launchpad is starved on bandwidth :/
[13:17] <yofel> sure you *could* pull the original tars from somewhere else, but that's more special-handling than I wanted to do
[13:17] <apachelogger> hence why I thought it woudl use bzr
[13:17] <apachelogger> but oh well
[13:18] <yofel> this is the portable version of a script I wrote on a whim. It's not like changing it to use bzr would be a lot of work
[13:20] <shadeslayer> -- Installing: /build/buildd/ktp-common-internals-0.6.0/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libktpwidgetsprivate.so.0.6.0
[13:20] <shadeslayer> -- Installing: /build/buildd/ktp-common-internals-0.6.0/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libktpwidgetsprivate.so.5
[13:20] <shadeslayer> I don't even ....
[13:22] <BluesKaj> what's the word on the kde framework 5 , saw some artcles about it yesterday and how it's supposedly paving the way for wayland to replace X in the not too distant future ...is this just speculation or is there some truth to it?
[13:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you can do all sorts of weird things with library versions
[13:26] <murthy> hello everyone
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Hey murthy:)
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Got some time to do some testing?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ok ,reboot ..hope to be back soon :)
[13:27] <murthy> smartboyhw: nope, busy with nootka
[13:27] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[13:32] <murthy> Riddell: pm?
[13:34] <Riddell> murthy: can do
[13:34] <BluesKaj> KDE SC 4.10.2 seems ok so far , but the pager icons bug is still apparent , a small issue but annoying
[13:35] <Riddell> pager icons bug?
[13:35] <smartboyhw> pager?! Who uses that?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> in the pager settings there;s a show icons option in the virtual desktops in the panel , they aren't showing up
[13:36] <BluesKaj> I do . aamof I prefer them
[13:37] <smartboyhw> .......
[13:38]  * smartboyhw would want a old Macintosh rather than a pager
[13:39] <BluesKaj> uhm smartboyhw , not a pager device , the virtualk desktop pager in the panel 
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Kidding;P
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yeah sure :)
[14:08] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: What happened to http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> well
[14:13] <shadeslayer> I could keep using ec2 instances
[14:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: does lxc work yet?
[14:14] <yofel> with some manual adjustment of the pre-upgrade OS, it does.
[14:15] <yofel> I was a bit short on time lately, so I haven't worked out a scripted setup of that yet
[14:20] <Quintasan> welll
[14:21] <Quintasan> it werks(TM)
[14:21] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:22] <Riddell> murthy: nootka compiling away now in screen session
[14:23] <murthy> Riddell: ya, i have been watching all the way
[14:23] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:23] <Riddell> murthy: all yours :)
[14:23] <Quintasan> What is nootka anyways?
[14:23] <murthy> can you give me the log of what you did now, so that i will so the next time
[14:23] <murthy> Riddell: ^
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Music app
[14:24] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I could guess that since it sounds like one, what does it actually do
[14:24] <Riddell> murthy: you can get one through running "history" I guss
[14:24] <murthy> ok. so next time i have to just ssh and screen -x ?
[14:26] <Riddell> murthy: assuming screen is still running yes
[14:26] <Quintasan> That Nepomuk Cleaner should really inside the KCM
[14:26] <murthy> Riddell: ok
[14:26] <Quintasan> same for the Nepomuk Database backuping application
[15:09] <Quintasan> why the hell icedtea-7-plugin has deps on gnome
[15:09] <Quintasan> this is useless
[15:13] <tsimpson> it doesn't, it has deps on glib/gtk+
[15:13] <Quintasan> ostaną zainstalowane następujące dodatkowe pakiety:
[15:13] <Quintasan>   desktop-file-utils gconf-service gconf-service-backend gconf2 gconf2-common gvfs gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs icedtea-netx icedtea-netx-common libatk-wrapper-java
[15:13] <Quintasan>   libatk-wrapper-java-jni libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libgconf-2-4 libgconf2-4 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-bin libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libidl-common libidl0
[15:13] <Quintasan>   liborbit2 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common libudisks2-0 openjdk-7-jre policykit-1-gnome ttf-dejavu-extra udisks2
[15:13] <tsimpson> though someone obviously thought it would be funny if openjdk-7-jre recommended libgnome2-0
[15:13] <Quintasan> that's otally not gnome
[15:14] <tsimpson> --no-install-recommends to the rescue
[15:14] <Quintasan> woah
[15:14] <Quintasan> seriously
[15:14] <Quintasan> this shouldn't be there
[15:17] <tsimpson> it was a hard dependency in oneiric it seems, became a recommend in precise
[15:25] <murthy> smartboyhw: are you there?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> murthy: yep
[15:26] <smartboyhw> why?
[15:26] <murthy> smartboyhw: nootka error,
[15:26] <murthy> smartboyhw: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/nootka/usr/bin/nootka contains an unresolvable reference to symbol __aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr1@GCC_3.5:
[15:26] <smartboyhw> !?
[15:27] <murthy> smartboyhw: build succeeded for arm with 1 file, 1 line changed
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ^
[15:27] <smartboyhw> murthy: good
[15:27] <murthy> smartboyhw: you did the control file for nootka right?
[15:27] <smartboyhw> murthy: Wait a minute you are using the version from my main ppa right?
[15:28] <smartboyhw> That's the old version
[15:28] <Riddell> murthy: you fixed the patch?
[15:28] <murthy> smartboyhw: dont know, we have to ask Riddell
[15:28] <murthy> Riddell: ya, build succeeded
[15:28] <murthy> Riddell: except for the signing part
[15:28] <murthy> Riddell: gpg key error
[15:29] <Riddell> murthy: great
[15:29] <murthy> Riddell: how do i scroll up?
[15:29] <smartboyhw> murthy: Ah I remember: You need to delete qtmultimedia-dev and remove debian/docs
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Nice job on getting ARM done
[15:29] <murthy> smartboyhw: i had removed debian docs, have to remove qtmultimedia-dev
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Good:)
[15:29] <murthy> smartboyhw: credit goes to Riddell
[15:30] <smartboyhw> murthy: sure he is:)
[15:30] <smartboyhw> murthy: Strange why is gpg key having an error?
[15:31] <murthy> smartboyhw: i guess there is no key 
[15:31] <smartboyhw> murthy: What do you mean? 
[15:31] <murthy> smartboyhw: http://paste.kde.org/715088/
[15:32] <smartboyhw> You don't create a GPG key for packaging?
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Damn use your name instead of mine LOL
[15:33] <Riddell> it's a chroot on an insecure machine, no gpg key on there
[15:35] <murthy> Riddell: wait
[15:35] <murthy> Riddell: i did dpkg-source --commit already
[15:35] <murthy> screen just got terminated
[15:35] <smartboyhw> murthy: You clearly didn't change debian/changelog
[15:35] <murthy> smartboyhw: no
[15:35] <murthy> smartboyhw: I was just testing a change
[15:35] <murthy> smartboyhw: there wont be any changes to the changelog
[15:35] <murthy> oops
[15:35] <murthy> i am not sure
[15:36] <murthy> Riddell: whats happeniing?
[15:39] <Riddell> murthy: I'm grabbing your patch
[15:39] <Riddell> probably I killed the screen session in the process
[15:39] <murthy> Riddell: shall i put it in my bzr branch?
[15:40] <murthy> Riddell: will you be updating what smartboyhw said in debian/  ?
[15:42] <Riddell> murthy: yes can do
[15:42] <Riddell> i'll add a changelog
[15:43] <Riddell> murthy: uploaded!
[15:44] <Quintasan> YES
[15:44] <murthy> Riddell: cool
[15:44] <Quintasan> that reminds me I need to copy my gpg keys to mah laptop
[15:44] <murthy> Riddell: where can i see the build log?
[15:44] <Riddell> murthy: it'll appear on launchpad when it's built
[15:45] <murthy> ok
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Yeah
[15:46] <Riddell> yofel: can you make a magic status for 4.10.2 in quantal and precise?
[15:46] <Riddell> right, time to get on with some ISO testing
[15:46] <Riddell> go go iso testers!
[15:49] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:50] <BluesKaj> how long before KDE SC 4.10.2 is in the backports so i can remove the ninja ppa ?, the gpg error is annoying
[15:52] <yofel> Riddell: should be up, no?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> funny how little things annoy me nowadays :)
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Would it be good to add nootka into the repos after it has been built?
[15:54] <yofel> BluesKaj: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 0945A8E2
[15:54] <yofel> should resolve the key warning on ninjas
[15:56] <BluesKaj> thanks yofel :)
[15:56] <smartboyhw> Isn't 
[15:57] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj  a ninja?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> (testing purposes)
[15:57] <yofel> gpg warnings have nothing to do with that ^^
[15:57] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yes ninja ppa , smartboyhw_
[15:59] <murthy> Riddell: this is the changelog for nootka? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/nootka/+changelog
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> Back
[16:01] <murthy> smartboyhw: can you help me?
[16:01] <smartboyhw> murthy: With what?
[16:01] <murthy> smartboyhw: i need to see the patch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/nootka
[16:04] <smartboyhw> murthy: BTW all builds has failed for new -0ubuntu3
[16:04] <yofel> murthy: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/nootka/raring-proposed/files/head:/debian/patches/
[16:05] <murthy> checking
[16:05] <smartboyhw> yofel: -0ubuntu2 or -0ubuntu3?
[16:05] <yofel> ah, that's ubuntu2
[16:05] <yofel> stupid bzr importers
[16:06] <murthy> wrong patch i guess
[16:06] <murthy> Riddell: are you there?
[16:07] <murthy> yofel: this is the new patch?
[16:07] <murthy> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/nootka/raring-proposed/view/head:/debian/patches/qmaxqminarm.patch
[16:08] <murthy> smartboyhw: thats the new patch?
[16:09] <smartboyhw> murthy: -0ubuntu2 old patch
[16:10] <murthy> yofel: smartboyhw  this is the patch that has to be used http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/nootka/files/head:/debian/patches/
[16:10] <smartboyhw> murthy: Make sure your patch doesn't break
[16:10] <murthy> is this one used?
[16:10] <smartboyhw> amd64 & i386 build
[16:11] <smartboyhw> murthy: It is used in -0ubuntu3, but it hasn't been imported to that bzr branch
[16:11] <murthy> smartboyhw: please give me the link to the new patch
[16:11] <smartboyhw> murthy: NO LINK
[16:11] <smartboyhw> murthy: Be patient
[16:12] <smartboyhw> And wait for the UDD importer to import
[16:12] <murthy> smartboyhw: did this get uploaded? https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/nootka
[16:15] <smartboyhw> murthy: Create a new directory and dget -x https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/nootka_0.8.60%7Ebeta-0ubuntu3.dsc and look into the directory produced. It should have your patch
[16:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: Crap, I forgot to upload plasma-widget-redshift, think we still can do anything about this or I upload to PPA and then upload to S when it's open?
[16:16] <murthy> smartboyhw: from my observation Riddell has used the previous patch
[16:16] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, Riddell: Can FFe still be filed?
[16:16] <smartboyhw> murthy: Kill Riddell then
[16:16] <smartboyhw> LOL
[16:17]  * BluesKaj calls security
[16:18] <smartboyhw> murthy: According to http://launchpadlibrarian.net/136046028/nootka_0.8.60%7Ebeta-0ubuntu2_0.8.60%7Ebeta-0ubuntu3.diff.gz the diff shows you are correct
[16:18] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj lol
[16:18] <murthy> smartboyhw: means wrong patch?
[16:18] <smartboyhw> murthy: Yes
[16:18] <murthy> smartboyhw: thank god
[16:18]  * smartboyhw stares at Riddell
[16:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: eek!
[16:19] <Quintasan> One does not simply kill Riddell
[16:19] <murthy> I was afraid that i did something wrong
[16:19] <yofel> smartboyhw: FFE is possible till final freeze
[16:19] <yofel> so yes
[16:19] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Then?
[16:19] <Riddell> they tried that already, I came back from my island exile to thwart them
[16:20] <Quintasan> then we still can do something about that
[16:20] <yofel> though you might need a UIFE or so too by now
[16:20] <Quintasan> fcks
[16:20] <yofel> depending on what you want to do
[16:20] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: File an UIFe + FFe then
[16:20] <Quintasan> yofel: I was supposed to upload plasma-widget-redshift
[16:20] <Quintasan> I packaged it but forgot to upload
[16:20] <yofel> Quintasan: FFE would suffice I believe
[16:21] <Quintasan> We need Riddell and ScottK do the combowombo they did for my previous upload
[16:21] <smartboyhw> Yeah plasma-widget-redshift won't increase sales in UI 
[16:21]  * Riddell dances the combowombo with ScottK 
[16:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell lol
[16:21] <Riddell> murthy: nootka_0.8.60~beta-0ubuntu4_source.changes uploaded
[16:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what is plasma-widget-redshift?
[16:22] <smartboyhw> \o/
[16:22] <murthy> checking
[16:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Ask Quintasan
[16:22] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: This is KDE integration bit for Redshift which is supposed to automagically adjust the screen hue according to the Sun's position
[16:26] <smartboyhw> Someone ACK nootka in...
[16:26] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:27]  * sreich likes redshift
[16:32] <Riddell> sreich: really? that's useful?
[16:33] <yofel> Quintasan: what does it do at night? ^^
[16:33] <sreich> yofel: goes to the reddest mode there is
[16:33] <smartboyhw> yofel nice one;)
[16:33] <sreich> Riddell: it eliminates eyestrain and also helps you sleep afterwards
[16:33] <Quintasan> It tells you you should fucking go to bed already
[16:33] <Quintasan> :P
[16:34] <yofel> hm, I don't like looking at red screens all night :S
[16:34] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Mind language please....
[16:34] <sreich> yofel: blue screens are worse for eyestrain and such
[16:34] <sreich> blue light in general is quite unhealthy
[16:34] <smartboyhw> How about green?
[16:34] <yofel> true
[16:34] <Quintasan> sreich: I can already see you loving Windows
[16:34] <Quintasan> :P
[16:34] <sreich> haha
[16:34] <smartboyhw> Oh no
[16:35] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:35] <yofel> we should go back to sweet orange ubuntu :D
[16:35] <smartboyhw> We should go back to sweet blue Kubuntu:D
[16:35] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/plasma-widget-redshift_0.6-0ubuntu1.dsc
[16:36]  * Quintasan goes to shop for food
[16:37] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: What does -u in dget do?
[16:37] <Quintasan> unpack
[16:37] <smartboyhw> ah
[16:37] <ScottK> Actually no.
[16:37] <smartboyhw> I thought it auto unpacks for me.
[16:37] <ScottK> That's -x (for extract)
[16:37] <Quintasan> wat
[16:37] <ScottK> The -u will unpack even if the key doesn't verify.
[16:37] <Quintasan> yeah
[16:37] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Lol
[16:37] <Quintasan> my bad there smartboyhw
[16:37] <ScottK> So -xu is unpack unverified.
[16:37] <sreich> Riddell: read http://stereopsis.com/flux/research.html for detailed stuff
[16:38] <sreich> ""Recognizes that exposure to excessive light at night, including extended use of various electronic media, can disrupt sleep or exacerbate sleep disorders, especially in children and adolescents. This effect can be minimized by using dim red lighting in the nighttime bedroom environment.""
[16:38] <sreich> "The experimental research suggests that an average person reading on a tablet for a couple hours before bed may find that their sleep is delayed by about an hour. "
[16:38]  * sreich would prefer not having to toss and turn for an hour ;)
[16:39] <smartboyhw> murthy: The package + new patch is in and building
[16:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: best ask for a FFe
[16:40] <murthy> smartboyhw: ok
[16:40] <sreich> kinda useless for most of the day time though
[16:40] <smartboyhw> murthy: Did you remove qtmultimedia5-dev?
[16:40] <smartboyhw> I don't think you did
[16:41] <murthy> smartboyhw: from my branch?
[16:41] <smartboyhw> the powerpc build has an dependency wait.
[16:41] <smartboyhw> murthy: Basically yes
[16:41] <smartboyhw> The dep wait is qtmultimedia5-dec
[16:41] <murthy> smartboyhw: i did , https://code.launchpad.net/~murthy/+junk/nootka
[16:42] <smartboyhw> murthy, I advice you to kill Riddell again.
[16:42] <murthy> :)
[16:43]  * smartboyhw stares at Riddell again
[16:43] <Quintasan> well yeah
[16:43] <Quintasan> whatever
[16:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: redshift segfaults at start here so I'm not even bothering
[16:44] <Quintasan> I really do need food now
[16:44] <murthy> smartboyhw: i had already asked him to implement the changes you ie, the removal of the debian/docs and  the qtmultimedia depends
[16:44] <smartboyhw> murthy and he didn't (according to the diff)
[16:45] <murthy> smartboyhw: oh
[16:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: plasmoid loads ok for me, but I can't get it to do much
[16:45] <smartboyhw> yofel: Please suggest a way to kill Riddell for one hour:)
[16:46] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:46]  * smartboyhw gets extremely violent
[16:46] <ScottK> smartboyhw: You could do some ISO testing.
[16:46] <ScottK> Focus you energies in a productive way.
[16:46] <smartboyhw> ScottK: I am talking to you through mobile.
[16:47] <smartboyhw> I can't get to my computer
[16:47] <smartboyhw> And I should be asleep NOW
[16:47] <smartboyhw> And I haven't done any tests for Ubuntu Studio.
[16:47]  * skellat ponders which lullaby would be good for smartboyhw
[16:48] <smartboyhw> skellat: Grrr
[16:49] <murthy> smartboyhw: I could have helped with the testing but i am having a tight schedule because of exams, very sorry
[16:50] <smartboyhw> Everyone is busy this week it seems
[16:50] <murthy> smartboyhw: really?
[16:50] <smartboyhw> Tmr is Ching Ming Festival (a holiday to pay tributes to ancestors)
[16:51] <smartboyhw> murthy: lordievader unavailable, yofel unavailable
[16:51] <smartboyhw> I might be unavailable too tmr
[16:51] <murthy> smartboyhw: cool, enjoy the festival 
[16:51] <smartboyhw> murthy: Thats not enjoyable
[16:52] <smartboyhw> The core reason is that tmr I will be busy with Ubuntu Studioatters.
[16:53] <smartboyhw> s/Studioatters/Studio matters/
[16:53] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "The core reason is that tmr I will be busy with Ubuntu Studio matters."
[16:53] <murthy> oh
[16:54] <shadeslayer> studio hatters
[16:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: matters not hatters
[16:55] <shadeslayer> but hats are cool
[16:55] <smartboyhw> grr
[16:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer but thank you for providing ideas to our new merchandise
[16:56] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:56] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:57] <smartboyhw> back
[16:58] <smartboyhw> And re-back lol
[17:00] <smartboyhw> murthy: All the builds work (except Riddell needs to fix the dependency issue for powerpc)
[17:01] <Riddell> moi?
[17:01] <Riddell> why moi?
[17:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell em you didn't remove qtmultimedia5-dev for murthy
[17:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes my bad
[17:03] <murthy> smartboyhw: checking
[17:04] <murthy> smartboyhw: very nice, build succeeded, this is my first debian patch :)
[17:32] <apachelogger> our lightdm is still broken
[17:33] <apachelogger> huzzah
[17:33] <apachelogger> :(
[17:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: how?
[17:33] <apachelogger> black text on dark background
[17:33] <smartboyhw> Grrr
[17:36] <apachelogger> no JT around :S
[17:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: does the new doctor who episode get any better after the first minute?
[17:39] <murthy> Riddell: I am getting this error "scp: .: not a regular file"
[17:43] <murthy> apachelogger: are you going to fix lightdm greeter?
[17:44] <apachelogger> I wouldn't know how
[17:44] <apachelogger> d_ed wanted to though
[17:44] <smartboyhw> apachelogger let him do it!
[17:45] <murthy> apachelogger: we just dropped the new greeter?
[17:45] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:45] <murthy> lordievader: hi
[17:45] <lordievader> Hey murthy, how are you?
[17:45] <murthy> lordievader: fine, how are you?
[17:46] <lordievader> murthy: Bit busy, but furthermore allright :)
[17:46] <apachelogger> murthy: there was no new greeter
[17:46] <apachelogger> well there was, it just wasn;t in raring
[17:46] <murthy> apachelogger: the one with the animated clock?
[17:47] <apachelogger> and since according to the mailing list no one wants the theme sheytan proposed we are kinda stuck with what we have right now
[17:47] <murthy> apachelogger: ah, i remember now, its sheytan's theme
[17:47] <murthy> apachelogger: for 13.10?
[17:48] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:48] <apachelogger> it all depends on whether people want it ...
[17:48] <apachelogger> though I think upstream was going to include parts of it somehow or something
[17:48] <apachelogger> so we may end up with it via upstream anyway
[17:48] <murthy> seriously?
[17:54] <murthy> can someone help to use scp?
[18:03] <murthy> Riddell: need help with scp
[18:04] <yofel> murthy: are you sure the file you're copying actually exists?
[18:04] <murthy> yofel: ls shows it
[18:04] <yofel> tried sftp instead?
[18:05] <murthy> yofel: no, going to try
[18:09] <murthy> yofel: i just ran "sftp -P 100 xyz@abc: /home/file" and the prompt has changed to sftp>
[18:12] <murthy> yofel: got it
[18:15] <soee> can someone send me ninja ppa so i can test 4.10.2 on my laptop at home ?
[18:21] <yofel> soee: pm
[18:31] <ScottK> Nice: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Security-updates-break-ownCloud-installations-1834507.html
[19:19] <xnox> ScottK: Riddell: I've looked at libindicate-qt and messaging-menu. I don't feel like writting DBUS server in Qt and implementing libmessaging-menu like api both on the server and client size and then porting the plasma widget and then port the 6 apps that depend on it.
[19:20] <xnox> looking at the code it shouldn't be very difficult, but simply very boring =) as it's been implemented before in both gtk&qt and now it's redone with slightly more sane api.
[19:21] <xnox> I guess it could be done in stages - e.g. just do client size libindicate-qt & test it in a unity/gnome session. And then hope that somebody will port/write qt style server and plasma-widget.
[19:25] <ScottK> xnox: The Qt/Plasma stuff is unmaintained.  We'll probably just remove it then.
[19:25] <ScottK> Which I find unfortunate.
[19:26] <xnox> ScottK: at least porting the client api binding would be nice for Qt/Kde apps to integrate with Unity desktop. But I suspect there will be another iteration of all things messaging comming along with unitynext and desktop convergence in Qt5/Qml style anyway.
[19:26] <jussi> ladies and gents of the KC
[19:26] <jussi> I will not make it to the CC catchup tomorrow, can someone please pass on my apologies? 
[19:27] <jussi> ScottK: perhaps? 
[19:27] <ScottK> xnox: Since this is already accepted in various upstream projects, it'd be nice if Canonical did just ignore backwards compatibility for once, but I don't hold my breath.
[19:27] <ScottK> jussi: First I heard of it.
[19:27] <jussi> ScottK: iirc it was that they wanted to communicate that to us that I setup the ml...
[19:27] <jussi> anyway
[19:28] <jussi> its my birthday and I have other things to do
[19:28] <ScottK> How'd you hear about it?
[19:29] <xnox> ScottK: there is FFe in quantal cycle for porting stuff to messaging-menu. In gtk world I have only one reverse-depends left, and I could upload a massive patch to fix it up, but it would require an FFe/UIFe for that leaf universe package. In the kde world, I take it a few packages will need to disable compiling against libindicate and then libindicate[-qt] & plasma-widget can be dropped from the archive all together.
[19:30] <xnox> ScottK: do you want to do this for raring or do it in s-series?
[19:30] <ScottK> Does it still work now?
[19:30] <jussi> ScottK: apart from the fact Im subscribed to the CC wiki page, Im pretty sure we had an email about it several months back
[19:30] <xnox> ScottK: in Kde it does.
[19:30] <ScottK> xnox: Then let's leave it.
[19:31] <xnox> ScottK: for the 6 kde/qt apps together with the plasma widget. But none of them work on the unity/gnome desktop.
[19:31] <ScottK> Unfortunate that Canonical doesn't care about interoperaiblity.
[19:31] <ScottK> Not my problem.
[19:34] <jussi> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[19:35] <ScottK> I see.  Nice of them to reach out.
[19:37] <jussi> ScottK: you may want to raise that issue with them tomorrow...
[20:05] <jussi> do we still have a "full" version of kubuntu? 
[20:06] <yofel> there is kubuntu-full, but no DVD image if you meant that
[21:38] <apachelogger> argh
[21:38] <apachelogger> I dunno
[21:38] <apachelogger> raring doesn't feel as perfect as it should have been
[21:40] <apachelogger> kickoff's gone completely mad
[21:40] <apachelogger> 3 nepomuk entries of which I am not sure what they do and 2 of them appear in at least 2 categories
[22:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: blame vHanda ?
[22:26] <apachelogger> yes bad vHanda
[22:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: is it just me or is the wallpaper on lightdm not actually smoothly scaled?
[22:27] <apachelogger> seems to me it is not actually using a smoothing filter or something
[22:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: my netbook agrees
[22:31] <Riddell> ksplash has much better smoothing
[22:31] <Riddell> I wonder why, QML should just good at that sort of thing
[22:35] <Riddell> if you don't get your arm machines working with raring I wonder if it's worth me working out how to get one of these pandaboards to be online and available
[22:44] <apachelogger> aren't they working?
[22:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding lightdm I do think that git master does not have the problem
[22:45] <apachelogger> so we should be able to fix that
[22:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: that was to ScottK, his machines aren't working with raring
[22:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: should be a case of talking nicely to d_ed
[22:48] <apachelogger> I thought the raring thing was being addressed already
[23:28] <ScottK> It's on my TODO.