[00:00] <k1l> you can install "ubuntu-desktop"
[00:00] <k1l> that should bring you the whole unity and lightdm
[00:01] <hachre> .
[00:02] <k1l> hachre: you got your connection right?
[00:02] <hachre> not at all
[00:02] <hachre> my client is going crazy
[00:02] <hachre> and spawning more and more connections lol
[00:03] <Elfin> if I reinstall from the new iso, unity should be included, correct?
[00:03] <hachre> im giong to kill it
[00:03] <hachre> brb
[00:03] <k1l> Elfin: yes
[00:03] <Elfin> will it  be default?
[00:03] <k1l> yes
[00:04] <Elfin> perfect. thank you. oh and, do you have a link to an official changelog of some sort for 13.04?
[00:04] <Elfin> though I know some features are being kept secret (rumor)
[00:05] <k1l> there are no secrets
[00:07] <Elfin> well then yes, it is a rumor. is there a changelog somewhere? (im after the most noticeable changes, as I'm coming from 12.04LTS)
[00:21] <[Saint]> Is audio/video being slightly too fast a known issue?
[00:21] <[Saint]> I had a brief look, but I may have fudged the search terms.
[00:22] <Elfin> hmm.. if I'm not mistaken, 13.04 gave me the wrong graphics driver
[00:23] <Elfin> acer says i have Intel HD Graphics (Pentium B960) and Ubuntu says Intel Sandybridge Mobile
[00:35] <Elfin> important question (n00b question though sorry) if I install this daily build, will it update to the release version at release time?
[00:35] <[Saint]> Depending on your settings, yes.
[00:36] <Elfin> so using the disc I create to install on multiple pcs, will be as If I have the release cd just requiring some update? (sorry, I just want to make sure)
[00:37] <Elfin> you see, I'm low on dvds and the iso is bloated
[00:41] <[Saint]> It really doesn't matter how you install it. Whether you burn your own disc, buy one, use the net-installer - doesn't matter.
[00:41] <[Saint]> It will still prompt you (depending on your settings) to upgrade when the release drops.
[00:43] <Elfin> awesome. hopefully when I reinstall unity will come out of the shadows. i dont know if you were here for that issue
[00:43] <[Saint]> ...huh?
[00:44] <Elfin> my installation of raring neglected to have unity, unity shell, greeter, etc. I have to reinstall to hopefully have it.
[00:44] <[Saint]> you did "something wrong)TM)" then.
[00:44] <roasted> Anybody running Chrome?
[00:44] <roasted> I'm unable to install it on 13.04.
[00:45]  * [Saint] uses Chrome on 13.04
[00:45] <roasted> I have two 13.04 machines, one with chrome, one without.
[00:45] <roasted> The one without I just can't win against.
[00:45] <roasted> I run dpkg -i chrome.deb, it of course fails, apt-get -f install, it says 163 MB to be freed, and that's it.
[00:45] <roasted> I can't INSTALL It.
[00:46] <roasted> every single guide on the magical internet tells me to do exactly what I did
[00:46] <[Saint]> you're "doing it wrong(TM)".
[00:46] <[Saint]> http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
[00:46] <[Saint]> find your .deb, download it, click it, done.
[00:46] <Elfin> Saint: I bet I did, I will pay closer attention to the install this time.
[00:46] <roasted> that does not solve my problem
[00:46] <roasted> all that does is install chromium
[00:46] <roasted> I want to install chrome ;)
[00:46] <qengho> roasted: chromium-browser is insufficient?
[00:47] <roasted> I'm not implying that. But why am I unable to install chrome?
[00:47] <roasted> clearly it should be possible
[00:47] <roasted> I also noticed with chromium it's continually asking met o "run this time" for flash sites. Unsure about that... if that's just Chromium or what.
[00:47] <qengho> Well, no one in Ubuntu project made that package, and we don't know what's in it, so "should" doesn't mean a lot here.
[00:47] <roasted> I installed it on another system with 13.04, so it "should" be possible.
[00:48]  * [Saint] points out that he is using the packages from the link above, and it is in fact Chrome
[00:48] <roasted> orly?
[00:48] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[00:48] <Elfin> roasted: The run this time means that the plugin is outdated or something similar. It happens in chrome too, even on windows..
[00:48] <roasted> Elfin: I have yet to see that on Chrome on any OS I use. :(
[00:49] <qengho> roasted: a deb you download will do nothing but add a new APT source to your system.
[00:49] <qengho> I think.,
[00:49] <[Saint]> errr...kinda.
[00:49] <[Saint]> it does both.
[00:49] <Elfin> roasted: Maybe Chromium/Chrome doesn't have sufficient privilages to download and install plugin updates. Check your settings.
[00:49] <[Saint]> it installs the package, *and* adds the repo.
[00:49] <roasted> <[Saint] that link still failed
[00:49] <[Saint]> Works for me dude.
[00:50] <[Saint]> I literally just tried it then.
[00:50] <roasted> also, if I run it into software center, , I get Dependency is not satisfiable: libudev0 (>=147)
[00:50] <roasted> hmmm
[00:50] <designbybeck_> any of you running +1 yet in a semi-stable way? and/or if so do you just keep on using that build when the new one comes out this month? or do you do a full install over again?
[00:50] <roasted> brb
[00:50] <trism> yeah, libudev0 was deleted recently, so anyone who already has it can install google-chrome, everyone else fails with a missing dep
[00:50] <[Saint]> designbybeck_: yes - and, why would you?
[00:50] <Elfin> I plan to just update, designbybeck.
[00:51] <Elfin> Furthermore, I am running semi-stable.
[00:51] <qengho> designbybeck_: I've using R, what will be 13.04. I never reinstall.  I installed one machine in 2004 and one in 2008.
[00:51] <Elfin> There is no difference, is there?
[00:52]  * [Saint] too - I installed Ubuntu on this machine ~4 years ago :)
[00:52] <[Saint]> No need to trash the install to update - that's just silly.
[00:53] <Elfin> That's what I figured from our conversation earlier, Saint. I grasp that a reinstall is only needed to fix more serious errors and such.
[00:53] <designbybeck_> haha., didn't know if the "beta" leaves stuff behind or is backwards comaptable if it updates some repos or something like that
[00:53] <qengho> designbybeck_: well, don't run anything that's not released unless you expect to find bugs and report them on Launchpad.
[00:54] <[Saint]> Elfin: fwiw - a reinstall isn't even needed to fix "more serious" errors - people just do so because they're lazy and/or can't figure out how to solve their problems any other way.
[00:54] <[Saint]> you shouldn't ever need to reinstall.
[00:55] <qengho> designbybeck_: but, released is a statement of quality, not a feature of the system.  It shouldn't matter to the computer about "beta" or whatnot, and won't leave stuff behind or whatever.
[00:55] <Elfin> Suppose a buttload of packages wasn't installed. Would you reinstall or would you try to figure out which packages they were and install and configure them all?
[00:55] <[Saint]> the latter.
[00:55] <[Saint]> the former takes way more time.
[00:56] <designbybeck_> i have it running in a VM at the moment, was debating on taking it for a spin on the netbook
[00:56] <designbybeck_> i have 12.10 on there now and it seems fine for the lil' guy
[00:56] <qengho> Elfin: eh?  A metapackage will provide what is the basis of the system.  Installing "ubuntu-deskop" will get everything that was on the CD.
[00:56] <designbybeck_> 1gb/ atom dell 10mini
[00:57] <Elfin> I seem to disagree. I'm missing everything associated with unity, even missing some schemas, and I'm missing various other packages. Also, the wrong graphics driver is installed..
[00:57] <qengho> Elfin: "apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop"
[00:57] <Elfin> policy?
[00:58] <qengho> A wrong package that has an alternate is possible, but a CD wouldn't necessarily get that right either.
[00:58] <Elfin> -_- it says  Installed: (None)
[00:58] <qengho> Then you don't have what's on the CD.
[00:59] <Elfin> lol how is that possible?
[00:59] <qengho> You might have tried to remove a package that WAS on a previous CD, and the "ubuntu-desktop" package Depended on it, so you agreed to remove both.
[01:02] <qengho> Elfin: Or, you didn't use an Ubuntu CD, but another variant.  kubuntu, lubuntu, et c.  Those have different metapackages.
[01:08] <TheElfinGuy> must've lagged out
[01:18] <hachre> I'm not getting any kind of notification about new updates, I've let a test VM run for days - it's now days outdated and the update notification is set to check daily but I'm getting nothing... What's up with that? Is it broken?
[01:20] <roasted> trism: so how does one work around that lack of dependency? I guess it makes sense because my laptop was installed a week ago, but my desktop, just yesterday.
[01:30] <Elfin> lol guys. I burned Ubuntu GNOME to a disc, not the full ubuntu raring..
[01:31] <Elfin> I just ran the disc and it said Ubuntu GNOME
[01:31] <Elfin> So I AM going to reinstall
[01:32] <trism> roasted: someone worked around it earlier by installing the libudev0 package, which is still available here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/175-0ubuntu19 (click your arch under Builds)...otherwise going to have to wait for google to work around it
[03:00] <sary> !bug #1162027
[03:16] <roasted> has anybody added printers yet on 13.04? I'm curious if my printer-box-crashing issue is related to ubuntu gnome 13.04 or 13.04 as a whole.
[03:57] <otend> I think Synaptics pooed the bed.  My touchpad isn't registering clicks right now out of nowhere.
[03:57] <otend> Has this problem been encountered before?
[03:57] <otend> wait
[03:57] <otend> misdiagnosed yet again.  alt-tab is also out.
[03:57] <otend> I'm honestly not sure what's broken now.
[04:46] <hachre> roasted: I can add a printer to test it for you
[04:50] <hachre> roasted: I added a network printer via system-config-printer and it worked like a charm
[04:50] <hachre> roasted: im on unity 13.04 not gnome
[05:49] <sary> in addition to our Discussion earlier today in regards to Chromium project : http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/06/28/help-wanted-chromium-ppas-for-ubuntu http://goo.gl/2WHr1
[11:25] <qengho> sary: have you seen chromium lately in Ubuntu?  It's very close to up to date, often ahead of Google Chrome, even.
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:28] <streulma> hello, I found 2 bugs
[11:29] <streulma> first, I can't get to the installer disk choose screen on Mac, had to make a new partition table and then it works and then I had to repartition with the installer
[11:29] <streulma> then when I'm on the desktop, I can't change background colors
[12:43] <lq> hello everybody
[12:43] <lq>  my tty1 cant be senn in the screen ,the screen is just black entirely ,other ttys appear the same
[12:44] <lq> how to solve the problem?thank  you my english is poor ,sorry
[12:52] <lq> which window environment do you use now?
[13:19] <Bauer> guys, yesterday for the first time ever, my Linux restarted without my consent.. it showed up suddenly logout screen (where I select restart, shut down etc), I hit Esc, but it still rebooted
[13:19] <Bauer> Are there any logs to tell me what caused it?
[13:19] <Bauer> what triggered it
[13:21] <Bauer> I lost hours of work due to it, I want to know what happend
[13:47] <bjsnider> Bauer, i am very disturbed to hear this
[13:48] <Bauer> bjsnider: me too, those annoying restarts are the main catalyst for changing to linux for met, but the important thing now is to try and figure out what caused it... are there any logs I could look through?
[13:50] <bjsnider> Bauer, are you absolutely sure you didn't hit a key or something?
[13:51] <Bauer> bjsnider: well I specifically have a keyboard without  power keys, and if I did hit something in some weird wicked way, where would such action be logged? in what logfile?
[13:52] <bjsnider> it depends on what desktop you;re running
[13:52] <bjsnider> unity is in .xsession-errors
[13:52] <Bauer> the default one for 13.04, I think its GTK
[13:52] <bjsnider> gnome-shell isn't. don't know about the others
[13:53] <bjsnider> there's the /var/log directory too
[13:54] <bjsnider> you could check syslog there
[13:54] <Bauer> hmm first one has no timestamps.. btw it was a shut down yesterday, not restart (wrote wrong word here..)
[13:56] <bjsnider> well, obviously it's not goin gto automatically shut down
[13:56] <bjsnider> i could see automatic restarts after updates or whatever, but not shutdowns
[13:57] <Bauer> bjsnider: these are the last lines in syslog before system shut down: http://codepad.org/0twxRmnc
[13:57] <Bauer> I think the last 4 lines are relevant
[13:57] <Bauer> not sure what it means however
[13:57] <sublation> notify-osd and exaile are not playing nice together.  I can see the error in the terminal when exaile changes tracks
[13:57] <sublation>     WARNING : error showing OSD notification: Timeout was reached
[13:57] <sublation> WARNING : Perhaps notify-osd is not installed?
[13:58] <sublation> But it is installed and works without issue SOMETIMES
[13:58] <sublation> However, every now and again when the track changes the entire system will hang with no graphical updates on the monitor
[13:58] <sublation> However mouse still moves music still plays.   Wait 20 or 30 seconds for it to timeout and everything goes back to normal
[13:58] <sublation> Can disable Exailes use of notify-osd as a workaround \
[13:58] <sublation> But I want to see what is happening on notify-osd end when exail tries to use it.
[13:59] <sublation> how do I watch in real time what notify-osd is doing?
[13:59] <sublation> like I can with exail run from terminal
[14:04] <sublation> is it even possible?
[14:05] <bjsnider> i'd say so
[14:05] <bjsnider> it would have to be run from a console with a verbose switch though
[14:05] <bjsnider> and i'm not an expert in it
[14:06] <bjsnider> and there's probably no one here who is
[14:06] <sublation> because the problem may not be with how exaile and notify-osd are cooperating but how notify-osd and shitty ass nividia are cooperating
[14:06] <bjsnider> don't use profanity in here
[14:06] <sublation> notify-osd can't be run on its own  i don't think
[14:06] <sublation> sorry.  I have a deep seeded hatred for nividia drivers
[14:06] <bjsnider> sedated
[14:07] <bjsnider> seated i mean
[14:07] <bjsnider> well, you might see more from .xsession-errors, which is updated in real time
[14:07] <sublation> no I meant seeded... as in THEY planted it in me and it grew big and strong
[14:07] <bjsnider> and also running exaile from a console in a heavy verbose mode
[14:21] <GuySoft> hey all, is there a repo for python 2.7.3 for ubuntu 13.04. 2.7.4rc1 is unstable
[14:22] <Bauer> bjsnider: any ideas about the errors from my syslog?
[14:22] <bjsnider> no
[14:23] <Bauer> last 4 are exactly the time it shut down, more or less around 1am
[14:24] <Bauer> how do you suggest I proceed then?
[14:27] <bjsnider> file a bug
[14:29] <Bauer> on launchpad? to what package shall I attribute it?
[14:34] <bjsnider> that's a good question
[16:08] <abhi_> hello
[16:08] <abhi_> using ubuntu 13.04 now
[16:09] <abhi_> i'm having problem with lightdm
[16:09] <k1l> which problem
[16:09] <abhi_> after login my desktop wallpaper isn't coming
[16:09] <abhi_> the lightdm screen coming everytime as wallpaper
[16:09] <abhi_> everything other looking normal
[16:09] <abhi_> panel, unity etc. are normal
[16:10] <k1l> i have the same issue
[16:10] <abhi_> i tried to logout and login again
[16:10] <abhi_> this time no wallpaper is coming
[16:10] <abhi_> a black screen is there as wallpaper
[16:10] <k1l> sometimes its just black and sometimes it stays on the wallpaper with the ubuntu logo and the 13.04 in the left corner
[16:11] <abhi_> k1l: yes, exactly the same
[16:11] <abhi_> my system is up-to-date
[16:11] <abhi_> but problem not solved
[16:12] <abhi_> anyone with any solution?
[16:14] <k1l> i was to lazy to search on launchpad for the bug so far
[16:16] <abhi_> is there any bug report about this?
[16:37] <DJones> I must be the lucky one, I've still got a desktop wallpaper
[16:50] <penguin42> hmm, I've started getting some plasma shell crashes recently
[16:54] <GuySoft> hey all, is there a repo for python 2.7.3 for ubuntu 13.04. 2.7.4rc1 is unstable. i cant develop django apps like that. it broke app virtualenvs
[16:54] <GuySoft> ?
[16:59] <IdleOne> should file a bug on that.
[18:25] <johnjohn101> what is a decent xml viewer/editor?
[18:26] <bazhang> johnjohn101, apt-cache search xml returns some possibilities
[19:15] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, gedit does a good job with context highlighting and whatnot
[19:18] <johnjohn101> i installed something that it doesn't even show the correct stuff
[19:18] <johnjohn101> like wtf
[19:20] <IdleOne> more detail, less swearing
[19:20] <IdleOne> please
[19:22] <johnjohn101> sorry
[19:23] <johnjohn101> xacobeo is reporting the wrong name space
[19:42] <hsn> i am using 13.04 beta, virtual desktop switch is gone?
[19:48] <trism> hsn: I believe it is in System Settings/Appearance/Behavior (to turn it back on)
[19:57] <meetri> can someone help me mount a mac (afp) shared folder on the command line. I want it to automount
[19:58] <hsn> trism: you are right
[20:00] <genii-around> meetri: Probably like:  sudo mount -t afp  //username@server/sharename /mountpoint/place
[20:00] <GuySoft> heyall, how would i go about installing this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/python/2.7.3-0ubuntu7
[20:01] <bazhang> !addppa | GuySoft
[20:01] <meetri> genii-around, i get unknown filesystem type 'afp'
[20:02] <Pici> that doesn't look like a ppa
[20:02] <meetri> if it's easier to mount smb shares i'm open for that as well. I can do either or.
[20:02] <meetri> btw. they mount find using nautilus
[20:02] <genii-around> meetri: Try leaving out the -t afp     part then and see if it auto-chooses the correct type
[20:03] <hsn> in workspace switcher, i see 2x2 desktop grid and each destkop has yellow rectagle area
[20:03] <genii-around> If it's already mounted in nautilus, try: mount     ..at  the command-line to see what filesystem type is
[20:03] <meetri> genii-around, now i'm getting "mount error(95): Operation not supported"
[20:03] <hsn> and yellow area is about 2/3 of desktop size
[20:04] <genii-around> meetri: Try removing username@   part then. eg just //servername/sharename
[20:05] <GuySoft> bazhang, but ther is no user, its ubuntu , no tilda before the name
[20:08] <GuySoft> bazhang, how can I add a ppa from ubuntu, its not a user
[20:08] <meetri> genii-around, not sure how to make since of the results returned by mount,
[20:08] <meetri> genii-around, this seems like the most relavant line: gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/meetri/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse
[20:08] <hsn> is there some demo html5 application for checking integration with unity?
[20:08] <GuySoft> isnt there something like debian's snapshots?
[20:09] <bazhang> GuySoft, there is a link that says "downloadable files " and a .deb
[20:09] <bazhang> dl it, and software center will install it
[20:12] <genii-around> meetri: Yes, so gvfs is choosing the correct type automatically, no need to specify with the -t <filetype>  in this case.  And if it does not require username/password you can omit the username@ part as I earlier said
[20:12]  * genii-around wanders back to work
[20:13] <meetri> genii-around, so what i get now is: unknown filesystem type 'afp'
[20:14] <meetri> oops, sorry wrong error: i get "Unable to find suitable address."
[20:25] <GuySoft> bezhang, but i want the whole thing, that would not satisfy dependency problems
[20:27] <bazhang> GuySoft, see the middle left? depends on?
[20:36] <GuySoft> bazhang, ill just have to download ll manually. dependency trees are a mess , ill try replacing 7 packages based on versions
[20:39] <genii-around> meetri: Looks like you may need afpfs-ng and then can do:  sudo mount_afp afp://username:password@servername/sharename /mountpoint
[20:39] <genii-around> Meh
[23:47] <designbybeck> ok so the conclusion, was if you don't care if it is stable or not, install away and play play