[04:22] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[06:47] <jibel> good morning
[06:55] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va?
[06:55] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:56] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti!
[06:56] <didrocks> pitti: not sure if Arte is broadcasting the same program at the same hour. Yesterday, there were an interesting show on Google books
[06:56] <jibel> Bonjour didrocks ! Ça va bien et toi ?
[06:57] <didrocks> jibel: ça va :)
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: nous n'avons pas un TV :)
[06:57] <didrocks> pitti: you can watch Arte online :)
[06:57] <pitti> oui
[06:58] <pitti> didrocks: we just returned from Dresden yesterday, though
[06:58] <didrocks> oh? how was it? did you enjoy those days off?
[06:58] <pitti> didrocks: indeed I did, thanks! some days to meet family and friends again
[06:59] <didrocks> great :-)
[06:59] <pitti> quelques jours pour recontrer nous amis et famille
[06:59] <pitti> s/nous/nos/
[06:59] <didrocks> il a fait beau? vous avez bien pu en profiter?
[07:00] <pitti> didrocks: oui, mais il était très froid, et il a beaucoup neigé
[07:01] <mlankhorst> bonjour!
[07:01] <pitti> ça va mlankhorst
[07:02] <didrocks> pitti: argh :( ici, c'est un temps de printemps
[07:02] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[07:03] <pitti> didrocks: pas encore là
[07:04] <mlankhorst> ça va?
[07:04] <didrocks> ça va bien, et toi? :)
[07:05] <mlankhorst> ca va:/
[07:45] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:45] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment ça va ?
[07:46] <seb128> pitti, salut, ca va bien, et toi ? ton w.e de paques était bon ?
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: oui, il était bien, mais il faisait très froid
[07:47] <seb128> j'ai vu ta photo de bonhomme de neige sur g+
[07:47] <seb128> ici aussi il fait encore froid :-(
[07:47] <pitti> :)
[07:48] <pitti> seb128: "photo" est feminine ?
[07:48] <seb128> oui
[07:51] <jibel> pitti, "photo" est féminin ;)
[07:52] <seb128> salut jibel, ca va ?
[07:52] <pitti> car "féminin" est masculin :)
[07:52] <jibel> Salut seb128 , ça va bien et et toi ?
[07:52] <seb128> nickel ;-)
[08:06] <didrocks> (grand soleil à Lyon, c'est le printemps, venez, venez! ;))
[08:35] <xclaesse> seb128, desrt: FYI it is that commit that break tp-glib unit tests: https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=f91ef4ef15d220f6899c97aaf5b1c0a8f68cfe9a
[08:35] <seb128> xclaesse, hey, thanks
[08:36] <xclaesse> it seems intentional, so I guess it is tp-glib that should be updated accordinately, but I'm not an unicode guru
[08:36] <seb128> xclaesse, right, seems similar to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694669#c3
[08:36] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 694669 in general "consider unicode corrigendum #9" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[08:37] <xclaesse> seb128, aahhh
[08:37] <xclaesse> seb128, our test is a copy/paste of glib's
[08:38] <xclaesse> I'll just copy they patch then
[08:39] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[08:39] <seb128> I'm surprised nobody noticed/did something until now
[09:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:43] <czajkowski> I've been doing a raring update for the last 20 mins and it seems to have stopped mid way and wont budge, anyone seen/heard of this in the last few hours?
[09:53] <ogra_> czajkowski, hanging at unpacking or configuring the kernel ?
[09:59] <czajkowski> ogra_: says preconfiguring  packages....
[10:00] <ogra_> hmm, then its something different
[10:00] <czajkowski> bugger
[10:00] <ogra_> checked the terminal log ?
[10:00] <czajkowski> ogra_: thats what I see in the terminal log
[10:01] <czajkowski> ogra_: http://ubuntuone.com/45FaItkRRfnFzcTKq8RTa1
[10:01] <ogra_> ha, and i see myself in the background !
[10:02] <ogra_> :)
[10:02] <ogra_> probably the apt log has something in /var/log ....
[10:02] <czajkowski> was the safest irc channel to copy and show :)
[10:03] <czajkowski> paranodi if I shut down now I wont have a resuming laptop
[10:03] <davmor2> seb128: Good news with cjwatsons apt in place update-manager is now working again :)
[10:47] <xclaesse> seb128, tp-glib 0.20.2 released with unit test passing ;)
[10:49] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[10:56] <czajkowski> ogra_: any ideas how I get past http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5673254/
[10:57] <ogra_> kill the already running apt
[10:57] <seb128> czajkowski, that seems like the aptdaemon bug cjwatson fixed yesterday
[10:58] <czajkowski> I'm sure I already killed it stabbed it
[10:58] <seb128> czajkowski, kill any running dpkg process
[10:58] <seb128> czajkowski, ps ax | grep dpkg
[10:58] <czajkowski> oh more to kill cheers
[10:59] <seb128> czajkowski, dpkg -l | grep aptdaemon?
[10:59] <seb128> czajkowski, just checking what version you have
[10:59] <popey> 1.0.0ubuntu9 here
[10:59] <popey> and I killed stuff
[10:59] <seb128> that's the fixed version
[10:59] <seb128> when did it get installed?
[11:00] <seb128> and did you reboot your system since that time?
[11:00] <czajkowski> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5673263/
[11:00] <popey> 5 mins ago
[11:00] <popey> not rebooted since
[11:00] <popey> i.e. after I killed and then dpkg --configure -a'ed
[11:00] <seb128> ok
[11:01] <seb128> so I guess you didn't have the fixed version running
[11:01] <seb128> czajkowski, dpkg -l | grep aptdaemon
[11:01] <popey> i didnt have the fixed version installed
[11:01] <seb128> ok, good
[11:01] <seb128> popey, thanks
[11:01] <seb128> czajkowski, in any case kill those dpkg processes, install the new aptdaemon and then you can enjoy using update-manager again
[11:01] <czajkowski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673266/
[11:01] <czajkowski> seb128: cheers
[11:02] <seb128> k, you just got the updated version, so yeah, same bug
[11:02] <seb128> thanks for confirming ;-)
[11:03] <davmor2> seb128, popey, czajkowski: I have the fixed version install from yesterday but had to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to install it, My machine has been rebooted since then and todays updates have gone in no issues.
[11:03] <seb128> good
[11:03] <seb128> well, good for the "no issues"
[11:06] <AlanBell> hi, I have a missing background and icons in raring, fully updated with the ubuntu-desktop^ task installed
[11:06] <AlanBell> right click gives me a menu, I can choose background but all I get is this white (actually light grey) background
[11:07] <seb128> AlanBell, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons ?
[11:07] <AlanBell> ah actually the icons are there, they were offscreen or something, just arranged by name and they are all there
[11:07] <seb128> ok
[11:07] <seb128> ignore that question then ;-)
[11:07] <AlanBell> but on a grey background
[11:08] <AlanBell> it does this in a guest session too
[11:13] <seb128> weird
[11:13] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep nautilus?
[11:13] <seb128> is that the archive version or a ppa one?
[11:13] <seb128> does it work if you pick another wallpaper?
[11:14] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673288/
[11:15] <AlanBell> no, doesn't work with other wallpapers or plain colours, always the same grey
[11:21] <AlanBell> if I kill the nautilus -n that is running then the desktop goes black
[11:21] <AlanBell> run nautilus again and it goes grey
[11:24] <popey> looks like you're running nautilus from the gnome team ppa
[11:24] <AlanBell> oh
[11:24] <popey> version string matches https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[11:24] <AlanBell> I probably am
[11:24] <AlanBell> thought that was just gnome shell stuff
[11:38] <seb128> AlanBell, that's your issue then, broken ppa version ;-)
[11:50] <AlanBell> so it seems
[11:53] <ricotz> AlanBell, you can re-enable the background plugin of gnome-settings-daemon
[12:10] <AlanBell> ricotz: is that in gconf-editor somewhere?
[12:10] <AlanBell> or dconf-editor?
[12:15] <ricotz> yes, in dconf -- org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background
[13:01] <AlanBell> ok, I will log out and back in later and see if that worked
[15:15] <popey> seb128: got another machine with the aptdaemon issue, you dont want/need any info from it do you?
[15:15] <popey>   Installed: 1.0-0ubuntu8
[15:15] <popey>   Candidate: 1.0-0ubuntu9
[16:03] <tkamppeter> larsu, hi
[16:18] <seb128> popey, thanks, I just wanted to confirm that you were not seing the issue still on a machine with 0ubuntu9 installed (and in use)
[16:18] <popey> seb128: ok, will update then
[16:23] <desrt> pitti: this dia crasher.... weren't you going to upload a patched package?
[16:23] <desrt> i see reports that there is still the crash in raring
[16:46] <seb128> desrt, hey, do you have an agenda for the fdo summit? can I add something to discuss on your list? ;-)
[16:54] <desrt> seb128: we do
[16:54] <desrt> what do you want discussed?
[16:56] <seb128> desrt, accountsservices
[16:56] <seb128> 1- if other desktops plan to use it
[16:56] <desrt> interesting
[16:56] <seb128> 2- if the GNOME guys are wanting to make it a real freedesktop project
[16:56] <seb128> it's on fdo but they are letting patches that don't benefit gnome-shell sit there or refuse to add features they don't need
[16:57] <desrt> ya.... that's a bit suspicious
[16:57] <desrt> particularly if other people are coming with patches
[16:57] <seb128> like we have patches to get the user keyboard locale and backport stored along the other infos there, mterry upstreamed them
[16:57] <seb128> ups
[16:57] <seb128> backport->background
[16:57] <seb128> (autofingers)
[16:57] <desrt> who is the main upstream contact for that these days?  ray?
[16:57] <seb128> yes
[16:57] <desrt> it's a bit of a meaningless conversation if he's not there :p
[16:58] <seb128> well, it would be good to see if other desktops are wanting to use it
[16:58] <seb128> that's an useful piece of infra
[16:58] <mterry> seb128, I threw them upstream, but I don't recall much interest
[16:58] <seb128> mterry, right, which is sort of my point ... if we can't get patches upstream and nobody out of GNOME is using it, it's becoming a GNOME tech
[16:59] <seb128> mterry, I'm trying to evaluate if we should keep it in our stack
[16:59] <seb128> it would be good, but not if it ends up being a "you need to maintain a fork because upstream doesn't want to include features they don't need"
[17:00]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:32] <seb128> xclaesse, do you think you would have any time to review https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697197 from Trevinho this week? ;-) he would like us to distro patch that to empathy for raring to fix focus issues in unity
[17:32] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 697197 in General "Empathy ignores the platform-data when activated" [Major,Assigned]
[17:32] <seb128> xclaesse, I would prefer an upstream review before distro patching it ;-)
[17:38] <seb128> mterry, did you upstream your accountsservices patches for 0012-add-keyboard-layout-support.patch
[17:38] <seb128> ?
[17:39] <mterry> seb128, I don't recall offhand
[17:39] <mterry> seb128, let me see if I can find the bug in their bugzilla
[17:40] <seb128> mterry, I found the one about the background, you didn't add the patch but they never replied either about whether they would be wanting to do that
[17:41] <mterry> seb128, looks like no.  I think I was waiting for their preferred approach for the background patch
[17:43] <seb128> mterry, ok, can you add it?
[17:44] <mterry> seb128, sure.  Do I have any other similar patches to accountsservice?
[17:44] <mterry> (while you're there)
[17:45] <mterry> seb128, ah, has-message
[17:45] <mterry> seb128, but that's maybe not something upstream cares about
[17:46] <seb128> mterry, layouts
[17:46] <seb128> mterry, but desrt is talking to them about adding a generic key/value storage
[17:46] <mterry> seb128, that's 0012-add-keyboard-layout-support.patch right?
[17:46] <seb128> mterry, yes
[17:47] <desrt> i already designed it
[17:47] <desrt> it's going to be awesome
[17:47] <mterry> desrt, oh really?  that would be useful, yeah
[17:47] <desrt> the problem with key/value is that people can store too much junk there
[17:47] <desrt> like, unprivileged apps can put anything
[17:47] <mterry> desrt, you mean the problem is that people would use it?  :)
[17:47] <desrt> so we probably want schemas to be installed by the apps that would consume the data
[17:47] <mterry> I know what you mean though
[17:47] <desrt> ie: lightdm wants to read background, so it would put a file for background there
[17:48] <desrt> and we reject any attempts to write data that doesn't have a registered consumer
[17:48] <desrt> i figure that the appropriate response to dealing with writes to invalid keys is to do a kernel panic
[17:48] <desrt> since it's a system-level service and all
[17:48] <mterry> desrt, this sounds like dconf with a special database path
[17:48] <desrt> mterry: well... it's per-user, but outside of the user's homedir
[17:49] <desrt> so it's neither system-level dconf nor user-level dconf
[17:49] <mterry> desrt, yeah we can't just drop in dconf and fix it, but it sounds pretty similar
[17:49] <desrt> well... it's a way to store preferences, in the end
[17:50] <desrt> so ya
[17:50] <mterry> but also the abililty for apps to register schemas etc
[17:50] <desrt> ya
[17:50] <desrt> you have me thinking now.....
[17:51] <mterry> desrt, +1 on kernel panic btw
[17:52] <desrt> glad you agree
[17:52] <desrt> i'm sure there will be haters
[17:52] <desrt> but i know they're wrong
[17:52] <mterry> developer might not notice a simple crash dialog
[17:52] <mterry> desrt, but also, if there's a way we could just reuse dconf for the accountsservice, that would be swell
[17:53] <desrt> mterry: for the per-user data, you mean?
[17:53] <mterry> desrt, yeah
[17:53] <mterry> desrt, how advanced are these discussions with upstream?  Like, should I still bother trying to upstream these patches we have for one-off features?
[17:53] <desrt> mterry: upstream will take the patch if i write it
[17:53] <desrt> i'd like to keep it simple for now, though
[17:54] <desrt> like, add a dbus interface and expose a client library api
[17:54] <desrt> nothing more
[17:54] <mterry> sure
[17:54] <desrt> gonna go walk larsu to security and grab some lunch now
[17:59] <Trevinho> pitti: hey, I've noticed one thing in my laptop... I'have that Upower's HhibernateAllowed() result != logind's CanHibernate()... And this lead to the fact that unity shutdown dialog (when pressing the power button) shows the hibernate option, but the indicator-session doesn't...
[18:00] <Trevinho> pitti: so, I think we should fix that as well, isn't it?
[18:00] <Trevinho> (to support logind)
[18:34] <mterry> seb128, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63086
[18:34] <ubot2`> Freedesktop bug 63086 in general "Add KeyboardLayouts property" [Enhancement,New]
[18:46] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[19:00] <jbicha> tkamppeter: did you see bug 1157814? fixing it would beat having to use a usb stick to transfer files to another computer to use the printer
[19:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1157814 in cups-filters (Ubuntu) "Xerox Workcentre doesn't print any more in Ubuntu 12.10 and newer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157814
[22:52] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: synced liblangtag 0.4.0-6. thanks for your work on it.