[04:22] Bonjour tout le monde ! [06:47] good morning [06:55] salut jibel, ça va? [06:55] bonjour didrocks [06:56] guten morgen pitti! [06:56] pitti: not sure if Arte is broadcasting the same program at the same hour. Yesterday, there were an interesting show on Google books [06:56] Bonjour didrocks ! Ça va bien et toi ? [06:57] jibel: ça va :) [06:57] didrocks: nous n'avons pas un TV :) [06:57] pitti: you can watch Arte online :) [06:57] oui [06:58] didrocks: we just returned from Dresden yesterday, though [06:58] oh? how was it? did you enjoy those days off? [06:58] didrocks: indeed I did, thanks! some days to meet family and friends again [06:59] great :-) [06:59] quelques jours pour recontrer nous amis et famille [06:59] s/nous/nos/ [06:59] il a fait beau? vous avez bien pu en profiter? [07:00] didrocks: oui, mais il était très froid, et il a beaucoup neigé [07:01] bonjour! [07:01] ça va mlankhorst [07:02] pitti: argh :( ici, c'est un temps de printemps [07:02] hey mlankhorst [07:03] didrocks: pas encore là [07:04] ça va? [07:04] ça va bien, et toi? :) [07:05] ca va:/ [07:45] hey desktopers [07:45] bonjour seb128, comment ça va ? [07:46] pitti, salut, ca va bien, et toi ? ton w.e de paques était bon ? [07:47] seb128: oui, il était bien, mais il faisait très froid [07:47] j'ai vu ta photo de bonhomme de neige sur g+ [07:47] ici aussi il fait encore froid :-( [07:47] :) [07:48] seb128: "photo" est feminine ? [07:48] oui [07:51] pitti, "photo" est féminin ;) [07:52] salut jibel, ca va ? [07:52] car "féminin" est masculin :) [07:52] Salut seb128 , ça va bien et et toi ? [07:52] nickel ;-) [08:06] (grand soleil à Lyon, c'est le printemps, venez, venez! ;)) [08:35] seb128, desrt: FYI it is that commit that break tp-glib unit tests: https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=f91ef4ef15d220f6899c97aaf5b1c0a8f68cfe9a [08:35] xclaesse, hey, thanks [08:36] it seems intentional, so I guess it is tp-glib that should be updated accordinately, but I'm not an unicode guru [08:36] xclaesse, right, seems similar to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694669#c3 [08:36] Gnome bug 694669 in general "consider unicode corrigendum #9" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [08:37] seb128, aahhh [08:37] seb128, our test is a copy/paste of glib's [08:38] I'll just copy they patch then [08:39] xclaesse, thanks [08:39] I'm surprised nobody noticed/did something until now === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:42] aloha [09:43] I've been doing a raring update for the last 20 mins and it seems to have stopped mid way and wont budge, anyone seen/heard of this in the last few hours? [09:53] czajkowski, hanging at unpacking or configuring the kernel ? [09:59] ogra_: says preconfiguring packages.... [10:00] hmm, then its something different [10:00] bugger [10:00] checked the terminal log ? [10:00] ogra_: thats what I see in the terminal log [10:01] ogra_: http://ubuntuone.com/45FaItkRRfnFzcTKq8RTa1 [10:01] ha, and i see myself in the background ! [10:02] :) [10:02] probably the apt log has something in /var/log .... [10:02] was the safest irc channel to copy and show :) [10:03] paranodi if I shut down now I wont have a resuming laptop [10:03] seb128: Good news with cjwatsons apt in place update-manager is now working again :) [10:47] seb128, tp-glib 0.20.2 released with unit test passing ;) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [10:49] xclaesse, thanks [10:56] ogra_: any ideas how I get past http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5673254/ [10:57] kill the already running apt [10:57] czajkowski, that seems like the aptdaemon bug cjwatson fixed yesterday [10:58] I'm sure I already killed it stabbed it [10:58] czajkowski, kill any running dpkg process [10:58] czajkowski, ps ax | grep dpkg [10:58] oh more to kill cheers === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g| [10:59] czajkowski, dpkg -l | grep aptdaemon? === alan_g| is now known as alan_g [10:59] czajkowski, just checking what version you have [10:59] 1.0.0ubuntu9 here [10:59] and I killed stuff [10:59] that's the fixed version [10:59] when did it get installed? [11:00] and did you reboot your system since that time? [11:00] seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5673263/ [11:00] 5 mins ago [11:00] not rebooted since [11:00] i.e. after I killed and then dpkg --configure -a'ed [11:00] ok [11:01] so I guess you didn't have the fixed version running [11:01] czajkowski, dpkg -l | grep aptdaemon [11:01] i didnt have the fixed version installed [11:01] ok, good [11:01] popey, thanks [11:01] czajkowski, in any case kill those dpkg processes, install the new aptdaemon and then you can enjoy using update-manager again [11:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673266/ [11:01] seb128: cheers [11:02] k, you just got the updated version, so yeah, same bug [11:02] thanks for confirming ;-) [11:03] seb128, popey, czajkowski: I have the fixed version install from yesterday but had to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to install it, My machine has been rebooted since then and todays updates have gone in no issues. [11:03] good [11:03] well, good for the "no issues" [11:06] hi, I have a missing background and icons in raring, fully updated with the ubuntu-desktop^ task installed [11:06] right click gives me a menu, I can choose background but all I get is this white (actually light grey) background [11:07] AlanBell, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons ? [11:07] ah actually the icons are there, they were offscreen or something, just arranged by name and they are all there [11:07] ok [11:07] ignore that question then ;-) [11:07] but on a grey background [11:08] it does this in a guest session too === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:13] weird [11:13] dpkg -l | grep nautilus? [11:13] is that the archive version or a ppa one? [11:13] does it work if you pick another wallpaper? [11:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673288/ [11:15] no, doesn't work with other wallpapers or plain colours, always the same grey [11:21] if I kill the nautilus -n that is running then the desktop goes black [11:21] run nautilus again and it goes grey [11:24] looks like you're running nautilus from the gnome team ppa [11:24] oh [11:24] version string matches https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 [11:24] I probably am [11:24] thought that was just gnome shell stuff [11:38] AlanBell, that's your issue then, broken ppa version ;-) [11:50] so it seems [11:53] AlanBell, you can re-enable the background plugin of gnome-settings-daemon === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:10] ricotz: is that in gconf-editor somewhere? [12:10] or dconf-editor? [12:15] yes, in dconf -- org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:01] ok, I will log out and back in later and see if that worked === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:15] seb128: got another machine with the aptdaemon issue, you dont want/need any info from it do you? [15:15] Installed: 1.0-0ubuntu8 [15:15] Candidate: 1.0-0ubuntu9 [16:03] larsu, hi [16:18] popey, thanks, I just wanted to confirm that you were not seing the issue still on a machine with 0ubuntu9 installed (and in use) [16:18] seb128: ok, will update then [16:23] pitti: this dia crasher.... weren't you going to upload a patched package? [16:23] i see reports that there is still the crash in raring [16:46] desrt, hey, do you have an agenda for the fdo summit? can I add something to discuss on your list? ;-) [16:54] seb128: we do [16:54] what do you want discussed? [16:56] desrt, accountsservices [16:56] 1- if other desktops plan to use it [16:56] interesting [16:56] 2- if the GNOME guys are wanting to make it a real freedesktop project [16:56] it's on fdo but they are letting patches that don't benefit gnome-shell sit there or refuse to add features they don't need [16:57] ya.... that's a bit suspicious [16:57] particularly if other people are coming with patches [16:57] like we have patches to get the user keyboard locale and backport stored along the other infos there, mterry upstreamed them [16:57] ups [16:57] backport->background [16:57] (autofingers) [16:57] who is the main upstream contact for that these days? ray? [16:57] yes === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [16:57] it's a bit of a meaningless conversation if he's not there :p [16:58] well, it would be good to see if other desktops are wanting to use it [16:58] that's an useful piece of infra [16:58] seb128, I threw them upstream, but I don't recall much interest [16:58] mterry, right, which is sort of my point ... if we can't get patches upstream and nobody out of GNOME is using it, it's becoming a GNOME tech [16:59] mterry, I'm trying to evaluate if we should keep it in our stack [16:59] it would be good, but not if it ends up being a "you need to maintain a fork because upstream doesn't want to include features they don't need" [17:00] * didrocks waves good evening [17:32] xclaesse, do you think you would have any time to review https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697197 from Trevinho this week? ;-) he would like us to distro patch that to empathy for raring to fix focus issues in unity [17:32] Gnome bug 697197 in General "Empathy ignores the platform-data when activated" [Major,Assigned] [17:32] xclaesse, I would prefer an upstream review before distro patching it ;-) [17:38] mterry, did you upstream your accountsservices patches for 0012-add-keyboard-layout-support.patch [17:38] ? [17:39] seb128, I don't recall offhand [17:39] seb128, let me see if I can find the bug in their bugzilla [17:40] mterry, I found the one about the background, you didn't add the patch but they never replied either about whether they would be wanting to do that [17:41] seb128, looks like no. I think I was waiting for their preferred approach for the background patch [17:43] mterry, ok, can you add it? [17:44] seb128, sure. Do I have any other similar patches to accountsservice? [17:44] (while you're there) [17:45] seb128, ah, has-message [17:45] seb128, but that's maybe not something upstream cares about [17:46] mterry, layouts [17:46] mterry, but desrt is talking to them about adding a generic key/value storage [17:46] seb128, that's 0012-add-keyboard-layout-support.patch right? [17:46] mterry, yes [17:47] i already designed it [17:47] it's going to be awesome [17:47] desrt, oh really? that would be useful, yeah [17:47] the problem with key/value is that people can store too much junk there [17:47] like, unprivileged apps can put anything [17:47] desrt, you mean the problem is that people would use it? :) [17:47] so we probably want schemas to be installed by the apps that would consume the data [17:47] I know what you mean though [17:47] ie: lightdm wants to read background, so it would put a file for background there [17:48] and we reject any attempts to write data that doesn't have a registered consumer [17:48] i figure that the appropriate response to dealing with writes to invalid keys is to do a kernel panic [17:48] since it's a system-level service and all [17:48] desrt, this sounds like dconf with a special database path [17:48] mterry: well... it's per-user, but outside of the user's homedir [17:49] so it's neither system-level dconf nor user-level dconf [17:49] desrt, yeah we can't just drop in dconf and fix it, but it sounds pretty similar [17:49] well... it's a way to store preferences, in the end [17:50] so ya [17:50] but also the abililty for apps to register schemas etc [17:50] ya [17:50] you have me thinking now..... [17:51] desrt, +1 on kernel panic btw [17:52] glad you agree [17:52] i'm sure there will be haters [17:52] but i know they're wrong [17:52] developer might not notice a simple crash dialog [17:52] desrt, but also, if there's a way we could just reuse dconf for the accountsservice, that would be swell [17:53] mterry: for the per-user data, you mean? [17:53] desrt, yeah [17:53] desrt, how advanced are these discussions with upstream? Like, should I still bother trying to upstream these patches we have for one-off features? [17:53] mterry: upstream will take the patch if i write it [17:53] i'd like to keep it simple for now, though [17:54] like, add a dbus interface and expose a client library api [17:54] nothing more [17:54] sure [17:54] gonna go walk larsu to security and grab some lunch now === greyback is now known as greyback|eod [17:59] pitti: hey, I've noticed one thing in my laptop... I'have that Upower's HhibernateAllowed() result != logind's CanHibernate()... And this lead to the fact that unity shutdown dialog (when pressing the power button) shows the hibernate option, but the indicator-session doesn't... [18:00] pitti: so, I think we should fix that as well, isn't it? [18:00] (to support logind) [18:34] seb128, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63086 [18:34] Freedesktop bug 63086 in general "Add KeyboardLayouts property" [Enhancement,New] [18:46] mterry, thanks [19:00] tkamppeter: did you see bug 1157814? fixing it would beat having to use a usb stick to transfer files to another computer to use the printer [19:00] Launchpad bug 1157814 in cups-filters (Ubuntu) "Xerox Workcentre doesn't print any more in Ubuntu 12.10 and newer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157814 === francisco is now known as Guest66331 === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:52] Sweetshark: synced liblangtag 0.4.0-6. thanks for your work on it.