[00:00] <roasted> What would make Nautilus open with hidden files visible by default?
[03:41] <roasted> anybody offhand know what to run in terminal to bring up the printers dialog window?
[03:41] <roasted> mine is crashing immediately when I select a printer to add. I want to run it in term to see if there's an obvious error.
[03:42] <timonti> lpr?
[03:42] <timonti> cat filename > /dev/lp
[03:42] <roasted> I don't know what that is
[03:43] <timonti> check out the lp / lpr command for printing.
[03:44] <roasted> lp and lpr launch nothing in terminal
[03:44] <roasted> I'm not familiar with them at all :(
[03:47] <darkxst> roasted, you can get a printer panel with 'system-config-printer'
[03:47] <darkxst> but its not the same panel that you would get in g-c-c
[03:48] <roasted> installing now
[03:48] <roasted> it's frustrating because the printer box crashes any time I try to add a printer
[03:48] <roasted> do you have printers installed?
[03:49] <darkxst> yes, but I can't even add printers under g-c-c for some reason
[03:49] <roasted> what are you referencing when you say gcc
[03:49] <darkxst> gnome-control-center (system settings)
[03:51] <roasted> so if you go into system settings and click printer, then add a printer, does yours crash too?
[03:51] <roasted> (also, system-config-printer let me add the printer successfully without issue)
[03:51] <darkxst> 'add' and 'unlock' are greyed out currently ;(
[03:53] <roasted> what's funny is... now that I added a printer via system-config-printer, I can add more in gcc -  printers
[03:53] <roasted> I deleted the printer and re-added it in gcc
[03:55] <roasted> ah, but remove --purge system-config-printer-gnome and it crahses all over again in gcc
[03:55] <roasted> sigh
[03:55] <darkxst> maybe it needs that ;)
[03:55] <roasted> yep, reinstalled it but di dn't open it and added a printer in gcc without issue
[03:58] <darkxst> ok, can you file a bug
[03:59] <darkxst> it probably should be added to ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:59] <roasted> yeah I'm trying to find out where to post it now
[03:59] <roasted> alwyas so confusing imo
[04:00] <darkxst> 'ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center'
[04:14] <roasted> thanks
[04:14] <roasted> reported - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1163674
[04:14] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1163674 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Adding a printer crashes Gnome Control Center (System Settings)" [Undecided,New]
[04:45] <sary> Salutations!
[04:47] <sary> !bug #1163651
[04:47] <ubot5`> bug 1163651 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Gnome shell crashed with "apport" complaining about lack of memory to automatically analyse the problem " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163651
[04:49] <sary> jbicha: i hope you don't mind me subscribing you the this bug!
[04:52] <sary> this issue got me confused.
[04:54] <sary> I'm also thinking about uprading to 3.8 for testing , unless more debugging or a backtrace is needed for 3.6 .
[08:52] <darkxst> sary, wouldn't worry about that if its a one-off
[08:52] <darkxst> could have been anything that blew out memory usage
[09:58] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[09:59] <darkxst> ok to copy these into staging? https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/js17
[09:59] <darkxst> g-s just has the periodic GC patch
[10:00] <darkxst> and gnome-sushi is just a  rebuild against gjs+js17
[10:06] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, yeah, do that
[10:06] <ricotz> make sure the gnome-sushi version is higher than the gnome3 ppa one
[10:07] <ricotz> and fix the gnome-shell changelog
[10:07] <darkxst> oh, what happened to the newline, I wonder!
[10:39] <darkxst> ricotz, also there are a whole bunch of bugs that appear when systemd is installed, but none of the gnome stuff is built against it (g-s just has runtime detection)
[10:39] <darkxst> maybe we should explicitly break that, if we are not going to use it
[10:41] <darkxst> for example lock screen will break if gdm and accountsservice aren't built with systemd
[10:41] <darkxst> (logind)
[10:42] <darkxst> gnome-control-center can't 'unlock' anything
[10:43] <darkxst> nautilus can't mount gvfs drives
[10:46] <darkxst> I guess the list goes on and on, and this is all in the archives now (just not installed by default)
[10:47] <ricotz> darkxst, the systemd package was very in flux and settled now, so it would be fine to look into using it
[10:47] <ricotz> darkxst, but some problem might be caused due not syncing with ubuntu again
[10:48] <ricotz> e.g. gdm doesnt include the latest raring changes
[10:48] <ricotz> unlocking things in g-c-c seems to work here
[10:49] <ricotz> so are gvfs mount in nautilus
[10:49] <darkxst> ricotz, do you have libpam-systemd installed?
[10:49] <ricotz> darkxst, no
[10:50] <darkxst> try install that, and see all the bugs
[10:50] <darkxst> all of which go away once I install my logind packages from my ppa
[10:51] <ricotz> ok
[10:52] <darkxst> I think it comes down to a combination of run-time detection and packages build explicitly without systemd/logind
[10:54] <ricotz> probably
[10:59] <darkxst> and actually logind works really well from my testing, provided dbus/polkit (from pitti ppa) and the few things in my ppa, are build against it
[17:39] <roasted> hello friends
[17:39] <roasted> anybody having their entire GUI crash when they open Nautilus for a 2nd time on 13.04 with Gnome3 PPA? 3.8.0.1
[18:10] <camelinahat> I see the downloads section on the beta2 builds, but there's no download to be had? Would the download be the same as the daily-build from the April 2nd?
[18:12] <roasted> Duplicated the crash on a Macbook Pro with both OSS Nouvea driver + Proprietary Nvidia driver, along with a separate ultrabook with Intel GPU. Filing bug now.
[18:22] <roasted> new finding - it only happens if Nautilus is the only active window. hmm.
[18:29] <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1164086
[18:56] <jbicha> camelinahat: I just asked in #ubuntu-release so it's being worked on
[18:59] <camelinahat> jbicha: Awesome thanks. I know in my virtual machine when I installed the daily build from yesterday, then installed the gnome3 ppa, gdm failed to completely load (it would show the background but not progress any further). I wanted to try the beta2 build and see what kind of details I can get before saying too much. But it was after a clean install.
[19:01] <jbicha> camelinahat: did you use dist-upgrade? I've heard of several people that didn't do that who had problems
[19:02] <camelinahat> jbicha: Nope. Downloaded the daily image. Erased entire disk during install. once installed did sudo apt-get update/update. Then added the gnome3 ppa (not staging). Another update/upgrade and gdm doesn't complete loading after reboots
[19:04] <jbicha> camelinahat: ok, you need to use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after adding the GNOME3 PPA
[19:05] <camelinahat> jbicha: Hmm okay I'll give that a try too. Thanks.
[19:13] <camelinahat> jbicha: Thanks that seems to have corrected it.
[19:23] <roasted> if I put the gnome3 ppa on a 12.10 box would I get past gnome 3.6?
[19:24] <camelinahat> roasted: Nope. See: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3?field.series_filter=quantal (You'll just get more complete 3.6)
[19:38] <roasted> thanks. I'll just have to be patient. I'm loving  3.7+ but everyday in 13.04 in hitting a new bug. :P
[20:03] <sary> roasted: :) you got that right ...
[20:04] <sary> !bug #1163651
[20:06] <sary> roasted: gnome 3.8 for Raring , #see : https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/msg00273.html , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2121738
[20:35] <roasted> those additional ppas are a little scary considering I'm working with my work laptop.... :P
[21:26] <sary> roasted: in your case, sure thing .. i just added those ppa's on this testing machine, doing apt-get update , upgrade , dist-upgrade .. lets see how ot goes.
[21:27] <sary> Going,goin .. not yet!
[21:39] <roasted> sary: how's it working?
[21:47] <sary> roasted: the upgrade process is still going ..
[21:48] <roasted> ah
[21:48] <roasted> sary: do you have a batter indicator?
[21:54] <roasted> battery, rather.
[21:59] <sary> unpacking and installing ..
[22:00] <roasted> I haven't had a battery icon on any system since 3.6. I almost feel ike it's an add-on package that I'm forgetting or something.
[22:34] <sary> Going,going ...
[22:35] <sary> Gone!
[22:35] <roasted> you're fully updated?
[22:35] <roasted> 3.8 on 12.10?
[22:50] <sary> Back.
[22:50] <sary> Kaboom! wlah!
[22:50] <roasted> how's it working?
[22:52] <sary> roasted: i went smoth and successfully! ;)
[22:52] <roasted> you're on 12.10 with 3.8?
[22:52] <sary> i/is/it
[22:52] <sary> That's right.
[22:52] <roasted> do you have a battery indicator?
[22:53] <sary> No!
[22:53] <roasted> and you're on a laptop?
[22:53] <sary> Yes.
[22:53] <sary> Hold up ..
[22:53] <roasted> what's up with the battery indicator
[22:55] <darkxst> roasted, perhaps its not finding your battery
[22:55] <roasted> darkxst: on 5 different laptops?
[22:56] <darkxst> roasted, I have a battery indicator here
[22:56] <roasted> are you on 13.04 with Gnome3 PPA?
[22:56] <darkxst> roasted, yes + staging
[22:57] <roasted> I wonder if staging brought it back.
[22:57] <roasted> I'm only running Gnome3
[22:57] <roasted> I haven't seen a battery indicator since the 3.6 days
[23:01] <darkxst> roasted, looks like dbus interface was renamed
[23:01] <darkxst> probably it will work if you install gnome-settings-daemon via staging
[23:01] <roasted> or, if I just add staging itself?
[23:01] <darkxst> roasted, yeh thats what I meant
[23:01] <roasted> let me try that. I can always ppa-purge it
[23:04] <sary> roasted: I forgo to mention that my laptop battery is is dead, and it's running on AC power .
[23:08] <sary> http://imgur.com/DSxNw1N
[23:10] <roasted> you're missing the battery icon...
[23:10] <sary> so, this internal error i got .. is about evolution-calender-factory .. should i report it!
[23:11] <darkxst> sary, yeh
[23:12] <sary> darkxst: okay.
[23:16] <sary> darkxst: negative regarding " gnome-settings-daemon "  #see http://imgur.com/7XYrIZc
[23:16] <roasted> woooooo! staging brought back my battery indicator!
[23:16] <sary> Yay!
[23:18] <sary> !bug #1164204
[23:19] <sary> oh! it's marked as private.
[23:21] <roasted> staging didn't fix my nautilus crash though :(  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1164086
[23:21] <roasted> but it's nice seeing my battery charge
[23:24] <roasted> brightness and lock missing all together from system settings.
[23:25] <roasted> sigh, alright. 12.10 and 3.6, here we come.
[23:25] <darkxst> sary you probably need to logout and back in again
[23:25] <darkxst> roasted, brightness and lock was removed
[23:25] <roasted> why
[23:25] <darkxst> those settings have been moved  to different panels
[23:25] <roasted> oh
[23:26] <roasted> I searched for brightness and "power" was the only thing highlighted.
[23:27] <darkxst> lock is under privacy
[23:27] <darkxst> brightness under power
[23:27] <roasted> I have no brightness under power...
[23:32] <sary> I do have both.
[23:33] <roasted> maybe it's just my  macbook.
[23:33] <roasted> I'll add staging to my toshiba and see.
[23:34] <roasted> nice, software center is crashing on startup on my toshiba.
[23:34] <sary> looks like there are few changes in 3.8, but overall it's an amazing improvements.
[23:35] <roasted> 3.8 is really nice
[23:35] <roasted> but there's enough show stopping bugs to make me go back on certain systems of importance
[23:35] <darkxst> roasted, http://askubuntu.com/questions/244853/brightness-controls-dont-work-on-macbook-stuck-on-high-nvidia-geforce-9400m
[23:37] <sary> roasted: lucky you, how did you got ubuntu on your Macbook! i've been strugling for 2 weeks in a row to have a dual boot on my Mac!
[23:37] <roasted> sary: I am dual booting.
[23:37] <roasted> refit
[23:38] <roasted> install that on the Mac
[23:38] <roasted> on the OSX side of the Mac, rather
[23:38] <roasted> I have a 256GB SSD.. I put 50GB as OSX, installed OSX 10.8, left the rest unallocated, and then installed Ubuntu behind it
[23:39] <sary> nice ;)
[23:40] <sary> http://askubuntu.com/questions/274478/how-to-create-an-ubuntu-bootable-usb-drive-in-mac-os-x
[23:41] <sary> i couldn't even pass step one ..
[23:42] <sary> do you mind walking me through this!
[23:43] <sary> i know it might be off-topic here , but am sure the kind folks here will pass this :)
[23:50] <darkxst> sary try unetbootin
[23:52] <roasted> I added the x11 entry for the macbook
[23:52] <roasted> rebooted
[23:52] <roasted> now I can't get a GUI, and recovery mode from the BIOS screen locks up
[23:52] <roasted> linux on this macbook has been the most problematic thing ever
[23:53] <roasted> at least, dual booting. I've had linux on 100% of the HDD on iMacs and they've been absolutely fine
[23:53] <sary> darkxst: I thought about that, but on Unetbootin website it's stated that the tool will only boot on PC's not mac's .
[23:53] <darkxst> oh
[23:54] <sary> I've also tried with another GUI tool linux for mac .. didn't work .
[23:58] <sary> I'm just not quite sure what am doing wrong to dd the iso on mac! i mean i managed to dd ubuntu 12.04 on the exact mac to the same usb drive .. and this is how i got ubuntu installed on this old Dell laptop.
[23:59] <sary> and it's also mentioned that the start up creater won't make a bootable usb stick either.