[00:00] hi wade|shull [00:00] wow a response [00:00] how are you === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [00:01] wow I am so tired of trying to make all this work [00:01] I am wondering if it is worth it [00:01] time to totally reinstall ubuntu I guess [00:02] hey wade|shull [00:02] I am well [00:02] I think the deal is that it is quite late in europe right now [00:03] yeah [00:03] too bad there isn't a crack pot east coast team :) [00:03] wade|shull, in time ;) [00:03] well, it's late on the East Coast as well :) [00:03] it is only 8 [00:04] wade|shull, there is a mailing list [00:04] how does the mailing list help [00:04] the thing is, I am new to ubuntu [00:04] not qml [00:04] wade|shull, ok, so what are you trying to do? [00:04] ubuntu itself is killing me [00:04] there is a slight chance I can help [00:04] I'm sorry to hear that [00:05] wade|shull, I may be able to unblock you from that [00:05] or send you to the right place [00:05] well the tabs don't work correctly and everytime I run the qmlscene ubuntu throws an error and shuts everything down [00:05] what's up? [00:05] wade|shull, is this on your desktop while developing? [00:05] so I think I am going to reinstall it all and start over [00:05] yes [00:05] I haven't had a chance to buy a nexus 7 yet [00:05] boy I wish [00:06] wade|shull, so all your problems are running the sdk on Ubuntu so far? [00:06] this ui is amazing compared to what Nokia gave us [00:06] when you run your apps, they die? [00:06] yeah [00:06] they do now [00:06] when I first started this wasn't a problem [00:06] I think I did something [00:06] hmmmm [00:06] I am going to start over and see what comes of it [00:06] because this is too awesome to give up on [00:07] it isn't a worry because it is on second computer [00:07] so not like I am losing much [00:07] will fresh install and follow directions again [00:07] on the go mobile site [00:07] and punch out my apps [00:07] wade|shull, :-) [00:07] do you have any in the works? [00:08] hello jono_ [00:08] hey wade|shull [00:08] sorry you are having some problems [00:08] if you re-install and continue to have issues, let us know [00:08] chalk it up to ubuntu newbie [00:08] I have messed with debian, but that was all command line and web stuff [00:08] wade|shull, we love newbies here [00:08] most of this is all new to me [00:08] part of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct :) [00:09] :) [00:09] mhall119, due to timezone stuff, I'm wondering if mhall119 might be a good die for you to ping [00:09] I will bring my qml knowledge how about that - I was a Qt Ambassador before Nokia ditched us [00:09] dang it [00:09] hope that program keeps going [00:09] "good guy to ping" [00:10] wade|shull, also in your morning, you can ask bzoltan and kaleo_ [00:10] sounds good [00:10] they are strong drivers, but it is 1am for htem right now [00:10] is it alright to idle in this channel, or do they only want active people in here [00:10] wade|shull, it's totally alright to idle [00:10] you are most welcome [00:11] sweet thanks [00:11] wade|shull, have you tried making a default Ubuntu app and making sure that runs? [00:11] well I was using the Demo - the Showcase app as my comparison [00:11] and it crashes now as well [00:12] and before it started crashing the Tabs component started acting up [00:12] yikes [00:12] wade|shull, are you using 13.04? [00:12] 12.10 [00:12] ok [00:12] I'm on 13.04 [00:12] I didn't even know there was a 13, thought it was only 12.04 or 12.10 [00:13] wade|shull, there is always the current development release [00:13] the moment after we released 12.10, we started working on 13.04 [00:13] and it goes into beta on Thursday [00:13] very nice [00:13] so we are close to releasing it [00:13] :) [00:13] so you are on the ground floor [00:13] awesome [00:14] wade|shull, are you getting any output in QtCreator or anything about the crash? [00:14] if so, you might consider logging a bug [00:14] well the funny part was it was working all good until there were some package updates [00:14] and like I said I don't know what I am doing so I think an update screwed with something [00:14] I am most of the way done with my app [00:15] so once I get it going again it won't take long [00:15] wade|shull, cool [00:15] would be nice if the team could know what broke for you, so they can fix it [00:15] I bet if you update tomorrow, there is a good chance it will be fixed [00:15] yeah I am doing it right now so I can see if I can get some more info for everyone [00:15] if not, come back and ping me, and I'll try to help you hunt down someone who can help [00:15] wade|shull, what's your app? [00:16] I am working on two of them [00:16] Soundcloud and Trello [00:16] soundcloud! cool [00:16] the Grateful Dead post a lot of music there, so I know it well :) [00:17] * rickspencer3 looks up trello [00:17] yeah I had it wrote for my n950 so it is just a porting issue with the new ubuntu qml components [00:17] niiice [00:17] trello looks cool too [00:17] it is a very slick 'To Do' site [00:18] I'm looking at screenshots now [00:18] very impressed with their layout [00:18] does it have an API? [00:18] yes [00:19] wade|shull, I'm sure kaleo_ will be very interested in how you are using Ubuntu Components to write your apps [00:19] I hope you catch him tomorrow [00:19] I will try [00:19] it is the only reason I have ventured into the Ubuntu world to be honest [00:19] Hello, so I have touch installed on nexus 7, I'm a longtime ubuntu user and am quite familiar with android. I boot it up and a little confused on setting up a user. [00:20] wilee-nilee, hi [00:20] I don't think there is "setting up a user" on ubuntu touch [00:20] rickspencer3, Hi [00:20] hi wilee-nilee [00:20] what are you trying to do, exactly? [00:21] rickspencer3, trying to just get it setup I appera to be in a preview gui [00:21] wilee-nilee, yeah [00:21] a lot of the experience is hard coded still [00:22] the welcome screen and the contacts and everything, none of that is real data yet [00:22] yeah, do I need to ssh [00:22] wilee-nilee, ssh to talk to the device, you mean? [00:23] rickspencer3, Yeah, I'm not familiar with ssh but was looking through the links and the adb stuff, just trying to get orientated. [00:23] wilee-nilee, ok [00:23] so, depends on what you are trying to do [00:24] wilee-nilee, if you want to just use what is there, you can just configure your wireless, browser the web, use facebook, etc... [00:24] if you are trying to write an application, you can install the sdk, and QtCreator will help you talk to the device for running your app and stuff [00:24] rickspencer3, Cool, I was hoping for a user, you know somewhat similar in concept to the ported desktop versions. === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [00:25] wilee-nilee, yeah, so far there is a default user [00:25] and you can't configure other ones [00:25] but Ubuntu Touch is inherently multi-user and there will be a GUI for it [00:25] rickspencer3, cool I see, looks like anice setup, beter for a phone as is I suppose [00:26] wilee-nilee, I think it will be good for all form factors! [00:26] :) [00:26] or using the services you have mentioned [00:26] yeah, just checking it outfor fun no biggie [00:27] So how do I shutdown a app runing like the gallery [00:28] rickspencer3, I appreciate the general outline. [00:28] wilee-nilee, did you install the daily? [00:28] rickspencer3, yeah [00:29] that's good [00:29] it gets better each day [00:29] rickspencer3, I used the phablet loading [00:29] with "-l"? === Lloir is now known as Lloir|zZzZzZz [00:30] rickspencer3, Not sure just ran the instructions hold on, [00:30] phablet-flash -l gives you the very latest build [00:30] without the "-l" you get an older one [00:31] rickspencer3, Ah, yeah I ran phablet-flash -b -l heh there is the -l Doh [00:32] rickspencer3, So I gues my only real problem is turn off a running app is this possible? [00:32] I looked around and have not figured that out anyway, [00:33] wilee-nilee, yes [00:33] drag from the bottom until a small translucent black box appears [00:33] drag your finger into that box [00:33] this invokes "the hud" [00:33] there is an "x" button in the hud that will close the app [00:33] rickspencer3, cool, [00:34] (among other things) [00:34] rickspencer3, is the hud at the bottom? [00:35] wilee-nilee, swipe from below the bottom of the screen upwards [00:35] and continue to drag up until you see the hud button appear [00:36] rickspencer3, Looks like a magnifying glass? [00:37] yes, that's the one [00:37] keep dragging until your finger is in it to activate it [00:38] rickspencer3, Doh I got it now, thanks man. ;) [00:38] wilee-nilee, np ;) [00:39] rickspencer3, Looks like a nice setup it will be nice to see it grow in popularity hopefully, have agood thanks again. [00:39] a good day* [00:39] hey wilee-nilee [00:39] thanks man [00:40] I'm just stepping out for some food with my family [00:40] I'll bbl [00:40] :) === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [01:36] janimo: after running source build/envsetup.sh, you can run 'mka TARGET_KERNEL_BINARIES' [01:36] that will only build the kernel [01:37] but in case you already have a valid build environment, running brunch will always try to build the kernel [01:37] even if nothing changed there === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [04:05] Hello [04:32] hi i am in big trouble [04:32] i was running ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 [04:32] and the yestrday decided to restore to the android [04:32] while trying to do that [04:32] when i run the step [04:33] ./flash-all.sh [04:33] it finally fails with error as [04:33] EOCD not found, not Zip error: Segmentation fault (core dumped) [04:54] rsalveti, thanks === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [06:45] good morning [06:45] bfiller, good work on the summary! [07:06] good morning === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:37] dholbach, shouldnt the touch summary be posted on planet too ? [08:37] ogra_, I'm not sure if bfiller is on planet [08:58] dholbach, well, does bill go on doing the summaries ? i think UbuntuTouch should have something like the canonical blog or the fridge to ppost such announcements to planet [08:59] ogra_, I don't know whose responsibility it's going to be - I did the first, rsalveti the second and bfiller did the third now [08:59] thats what i mean :) [08:59] the person changes, the assigned blog shouldnt ... so that planet gets the summaries too [08:59] I understand [09:00] we haven't figured this out, but I agree that the great work which happens here should have more publicity [09:00] yup [09:00] just a thought ... no hurry to have it :) [09:02] hi all [09:17] hi, someone to help me with galaxy note? === Wuestenschiff is now known as Desertship === Desertship is now known as Wuestenschiff === Lloir|zZzZzZz is now known as Lloir [09:57] Actually, does anyone uses the alpha daily, at all? [09:57] alpha daily ? [09:58] I mean ubuntu touch [10:10] dholbach: hi. since dpm is away, can you modify http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile ? [10:14] utp, many people do, since its the best way to test your deveklopd apps etc [10:14] dholbach: more precisely this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1162121/comments/1 [10:14] *developed [10:14] Launchpad bug 1162121 in Ubuntu QtCreator Plugins "wrong dependencies in ppa for raring final beta" [Undecided,Confirmed] === k1l_ is now known as k1l === ubot5` is now known as ubot5 [10:31] Mirv, just to confirm - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" will be enough on raring? [10:34] dholbach: that's true currently. with a future perspective, I'm not sure if it'd be better to keep instructing people to enable the PPAs however - I don't think we're going to update everything in the archives post-release, and already there's a newer ubuntu-ui-toolkit in SDK PPA [10:34] I don't understand :) [10:34] dholbach: what that means is that if it's deemed so (PPAs enabled also for raring users), the raring special case could be simply removed and the same instructions of adding PPAs and installing ubuntu-sdk would apply to all Ubuntu users [10:35] on raring it's that most of the stuff comes from archives, but we may push newer Qt:s to the PPA also for raring users [10:36] archives = archive.ubuntu.com vs. PPAs [10:37] Mirv, so what do you want me to do now? make it "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" in the raring case for now? and you go back and come to a conclusion of where future sdk changes are going to be pushed? [10:37] dholbach: that sounds correct [10:37] all rightie [10:38] and yes some conclusion would be needed :) === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch [10:39] mhall119, can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1162121/comments/1 (make it "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" in the raring case) - I seem to have problems editing the page in WP (I can only see the picture) [10:39] Launchpad bug 1162121 in Ubuntu QtCreator Plugins "wrong dependencies in ppa for raring final beta" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:39] bzoltan: ^ maybe on your todo list already but we need to reach a consensus on whether we start to support raring via official updates to all users or via PPAs, with the current status of raring archives being something that works but will not be up-to-date when development continues [10:39] Mirv, sorry, have to defer to mhall119 [10:39] dholbach: np [10:40] Mirv: you are right, it is on my todo list [10:41] I would vote for PPAs, since new Qt releases might be problematic as stable release upgrades, but it's just something where all stakeholders need to be heard [10:41] Mirv: I think I want both the achive and the PPA ... the later would be the unstable daily and the archive the stable [10:42] bzoltan: ok, that's one option as well, and it'd be the "support via archives" since PPAs would only be offered as an option, not something recommended [10:42] Mirv: exactly [10:43] just not sure how new features like Qt 5.1 and ubuntu-ui-toolkit going into stable release would work out. [10:46] Mirv: I do not know that either... rolling release would make it easier on this field [10:46] but that is a small segment of the whole distro :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik [11:28] Just got a nexus ten through the door, I'm almost ready to get really stuck into this stuff! === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [11:45] tmoenicke: hi, have time for a quick question about the OSK ? === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:37] bzoltan: Mirv: just let me know if I need to update developer.u.c/gomobile [12:42] Mirv: just so I understand correcly, specifically installing ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins is not needed on Raring? [12:50] nerochiaro: yep [12:54] mhall119: I don't have that installed here === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:55] mhall119: qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu is the correct package [12:56] mhall119: yes, not anymore (and it got renamed) [12:56] mhall119: as of yesterday ubuntu-sdk now pulls in the plugin as well, as the new creator with the plugin was uploaded to raring archives. previously it existed only in the PPA. [12:58] excellent === heathjs is now known as heath [12:59] Mirv: ok, I'll update the site [13:01] mhall119: thanks! [13:02] popey: I feel we need some kind of "The Doctor is: IN" sign [13:02] hah [13:02] and a bulb [13:03] * popey pats the couch.. sit down mhall119, tell me your troubles [13:07] so for those that are here, every Wednesday at this time popey and I will make sure we're around to answer your questions, or help you solve a problem, anything you need when developing your Ubuntu SDK app [13:08] * ogra_ serves some coffee to the room [13:09] obviously this is a UK clinic then [13:10] hey [13:10] <- not british [13:10] If it were UK, we'd serve tea and biscuits. [13:10] but i'm only the coffee guy indeed [13:10] well we certainly don't have people bringing us coffee under the US healthcare system [13:11] well, since it is virtual coffee it was pretty easy to steal it from rsalveti's kitchen ... [13:11] its a good brazillian brand ;) [13:11] heh [13:13] mhall119: it's now missing one "&&" from before the "sudo apt-get update" [13:14] Mirv: fixed [13:15] thanks again [13:15] np [13:15] we have indeed opted for tea. No biscuits though. [13:16] howdy ckpringle [13:17] * ckpringle tilts hat [13:17] mhall119: do we have any plans for tutorial videos to get people started in developing apps? [13:17] beyond currency conversion [13:18] well fixing the currency converter is first [13:18] oof [13:18] #action .... [13:18] dpm already has an action for that [13:18] but he's using up his vacation days this week [13:18] ok [13:19] I was thinking more "next steps" [13:19] I want to spend some time, hopefully soon, on the new API website so people can link their own tutorials [13:19] i realise things are somewhat in flux tho [13:19] but I need to hack up qdoc or write an xslt [13:21] so, popey, have you written an Ubuntu SDK app yet? === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [13:21] Nope. I have one planned though [13:22] mhall119: what's that? [13:22] ckpringle: what's what? [13:23] popey: did you see the podcast downloader? [13:23] mhall119: an SDK app - there is the component showcase app already, which shows sdk components [13:23] yeah! checked it out but it didn't run for me, needed some additional module installing [13:23] ckpringle: I meant an app using the new SDK [13:23] mhall119: ah ok [13:24] ckpringle: trying to distinguish them from Gtk apps when I talk about it [13:24] file:///home/alan/phablet/code/catchpodder/controllers/PodcastController.qml:24 module "Catchpodderplugins" is not installed [13:24] that [13:24] No readme ☹ [13:24] hmmm... [13:24] * netcurli is the developer of catchpodder [13:25] hah! [13:25] I did not know how to include the plugin project [13:25] netcurli: it looks excellent [13:25] i see ./Catchpodderplgins/libFileDownload.so [13:25] what do I "do" with that/ [13:25] and where is the upstream source? [13:25] popey: try qmlscene -I ./plugins/ Catchpodder.qml [13:26] ooh, it starts [13:26] probably won't work though [13:26] oh? [13:26] the source for the plugin is currently only on my computer [13:26] I mean, I totally know what I'm talking about [13:26] Mirv: what's the right way to package a qml plugin? [13:26] i get what looks like a webkit window with "undefined" in it [13:27] we could do with a "packaging qml plugins" document [13:27] popey: yeah, you need to click on a podast episode first, to get content into that webview [13:27] popey: +1, I'll publish it as soon as someone writes it [13:28] netcurli: if you put the source of the plugin in a separate branch, we can find you some help to get it packaged [13:28] I do like that this has turned from developers coming to ask for help into us asking developers for help [13:29] the point is, help is being given [13:29] :) [13:30] +1 [13:30] catchpodder is going to be on my next Ubuntu SDK Apps blog post [13:31] I already have 5 more apps to showcase [13:31] http://popey.com/~alan/catchpodder.png is what I see when i run it [13:31] and I published on Monday [13:31] but but but.. we'll have no apps for our phone... [13:32] if you build it, they will come [13:32] Yes Kevin. [13:32] mhall119: what's a catch pod? [13:32] Catchpodder is a podcast downloader [13:32] ckpringle: a clever name [13:33] it catches podcasts [13:33] podcast downloaders (like itunes) are often called "pod catchers" [13:33] mhall119: oh i SEE [13:33] flips it and reverses [13:33] there's a famous one called BashPodder, this one builds on that name and is awesome. [13:33] popey: you should have three tabs, when you open the app [13:33] on the first one you can add a new podcast [13:34] * popey bzr pulls [13:34] i wasn't up to date [13:34] \o/ segfault qmlscene [13:35] i have 3 tabs, first two are completely blank [13:35] one has a pane and a blank button [13:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673607/ is what i see when I run it netcurli [13:37] the first tab is where the podcasts go, there should be an "add" button in the toolbar [13:38] btw.: I uploaded the plugin source to https://code.launchpad.net/~djfun/catchpodder/filedownload [13:38] thanks [13:38] it never renders anything in the first two panes [13:38] you're testing in qmlscene? [13:38] on 13.04? [13:39] I am testing in qmlscene on 12.10 [13:39] hmm [13:39] I dont have any 12.10 systems here i can test on [13:39] you have the toolbar in the first tab? [13:39] no [13:39] can you show me a screenshot of what it should look like? [13:41] netcurli: popey: are you guys both on 64bit? [13:41] I am just clearing my database and then look, how it will look like, when there is nothing there [13:41] yes, I am on 64-bit 13.04 [13:41] I am also on 64bit [13:41] yeah, I'm on 32bit, can't load the compiled plugin [13:42] yeah, you probably want to remove that binary blob from the build [13:42] s/build/trunk/ [13:42] popey: we should definitely think about providing a curated "all of the apps" PPA [13:42] +1 [13:43] So there's "default", "core" and "non-core" [13:43] netcurli: so, first things first, put the plugin code in a separate branch under the catchpodder project on LP [13:44] it is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~djfun/catchpodder/filedownload [13:44] popey: http://djfun.de/ubuntu/screenshot_qmlscene_034.png [13:45] there should be a toolbar, you can swipe up from the bottom [13:45] * popey pulls up from the bottom [13:45] ok, two buttons and no icons [13:45] thats better! [13:45] yeah, thats where the error messages come from [13:46] you should be able to add a podcast now [13:46] yup, done [13:46] and with refresh I think, it loads the episodes [13:47] ah, it remembers which casts I subscribed to on restart [13:47] is that localstorage? sqllite? [13:47] found 18 episode(s) for podcast 1 [13:47] QtQuick.LocalStorage [13:48] blimey, it plays [13:48] \o/ it runs [13:48] almost [13:48] popey: what's the URL for UUPC? [13:48] http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastMp3-high?format=xml [13:48] had that handy of course [13:48] audio playback stutters [13:49] yeah, it plays at the moment the file directly from the server [13:49] netcurli: you should look into using PageStack instead of Tabs [13:49] gotcha [13:49] I think it'll give you the navigation you want [13:49] this is great stuff [13:50] netcurli: for example, PageStack will automatically give you a Back button on the toolbar [13:51] and prevents the user from changing to another page unless they click on a podcast/episode ListItem [13:51] yes, I have seen that. but I wanted to have the episode list somewhere directly accessible [13:51] looks like you're using libsoup? [13:51] the list with all episodes from all podcast [13:52] +s [13:52] libsoup? [13:53] yeah, I'm seeing hits on the backend server from a client calling itself libsoup [13:53] I am doing a XMLHttpRequest from javascript [13:54] hmm, interesting. [13:57] mhall119: I think I can try using a pagestack and then compare which one is more usable [13:57] netcurli: what are you using filedownload for? [13:57] currently only for the podcast image [13:58]