[00:00] <rickspencer3> hi wade|shull
[00:00] <wade|shull> wow a response
[00:00] <wade|shull> how are you
[00:01] <wade|shull> wow I am so tired of trying to make all this work
[00:01] <wade|shull> I am wondering if it is worth it
[00:01] <wade|shull> time to totally reinstall ubuntu I guess
[00:02] <rickspencer3> hey wade|shull
[00:02] <rickspencer3> I am well
[00:02] <rickspencer3> I think the deal is that it is quite late in europe right now
[00:03] <wade|shull> yeah
[00:03] <wade|shull> too bad there isn't a crack pot east coast team :)
[00:03] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, in time ;)
[00:03] <rickspencer3> well, it's late on the East Coast as well :)
[00:03] <wade|shull> it is only 8
[00:04] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, there is a mailing list
[00:04] <wade|shull> how does the mailing list help
[00:04] <wade|shull> the thing is, I am new to ubuntu
[00:04] <wade|shull> not qml
[00:04] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, ok, so what are you trying to do?
[00:04] <wade|shull> ubuntu itself is killing me
[00:04] <rickspencer3> there is a slight chance I can help
[00:04] <rickspencer3> I'm sorry to hear that
[00:05] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, I may be able to unblock you from that
[00:05] <rickspencer3> or send you to the right place
[00:05] <wade|shull> well the tabs don't work correctly and everytime I run the qmlscene ubuntu throws an error and shuts everything down
[00:05] <rickspencer3> what's up?
[00:05] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, is this on your desktop while developing?
[00:05] <wade|shull> so I think I am going to reinstall it all and start over
[00:05] <wade|shull> yes
[00:05] <wade|shull> I haven't had a chance to buy a nexus 7 yet
[00:05] <wade|shull> boy I wish
[00:06] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, so all your problems are running the sdk on Ubuntu so far?
[00:06] <wade|shull> this ui is amazing compared to what Nokia gave us
[00:06] <rickspencer3> when you run your apps, they die?
[00:06] <wade|shull> yeah
[00:06] <wade|shull> they do now
[00:06] <wade|shull> when I first started this wasn't a problem
[00:06] <wade|shull> I think I did something
[00:06] <rickspencer3> hmmmm
[00:06] <wade|shull> I am going to start over and see what comes of it
[00:06] <wade|shull> because this is too awesome to give up on
[00:07] <wade|shull> it isn't a worry because it is on second computer
[00:07] <wade|shull> so not like I am losing much
[00:07] <wade|shull> will fresh install and follow directions again
[00:07] <wade|shull> on the go mobile site
[00:07] <wade|shull> and punch out my apps
[00:07] <jono_> wade|shull, :-)
[00:07] <wade|shull> do you have any in the works?
[00:08] <wade|shull> hello jono_
[00:08] <jono_> hey wade|shull
[00:08] <jono_> sorry you are having some problems
[00:08] <jono_> if you re-install and continue to have issues, let us know
[00:08] <wade|shull> chalk it up to ubuntu newbie
[00:08] <wade|shull> I have messed with debian, but that was all command line and web stuff
[00:08] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, we love newbies here
[00:08] <wade|shull> most of this is all new to me
[00:08] <rickspencer3> part of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct :)
[00:09] <wade|shull> :)
[00:09] <rickspencer3> mhall119, due to timezone stuff, I'm wondering if mhall119 might be a good die for you to ping
[00:09] <wade|shull> I will bring my qml knowledge how about that - I was a Qt Ambassador before Nokia ditched us
[00:09] <rickspencer3> dang it
[00:09] <wade|shull> hope that program keeps going
[00:09] <rickspencer3> "good guy to ping"
[00:10] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, also in your morning, you can ask bzoltan and kaleo_
[00:10] <wade|shull> sounds good
[00:10] <rickspencer3> they are strong drivers, but it is 1am for htem right now
[00:10] <wade|shull> is it alright to idle in this channel, or do they only want active people in here
[00:10] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, it's totally alright to idle
[00:10] <rickspencer3> you are most welcome
[00:11] <wade|shull> sweet thanks
[00:11] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, have you tried making a default Ubuntu app and making sure that runs?
[00:11] <wade|shull> well I was using the Demo - the Showcase app as my comparison
[00:11] <wade|shull> and it crashes now as well
[00:12] <wade|shull> and before it started crashing the Tabs component started acting up
[00:12] <rickspencer3> yikes
[00:12] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, are you using 13.04?
[00:12] <wade|shull> 12.10
[00:12] <rickspencer3> ok
[00:12] <rickspencer3> I'm on 13.04
[00:12] <wade|shull> I didn't even know there was a 13, thought it was only 12.04 or 12.10
[00:13] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, there is always the current development release
[00:13] <rickspencer3> the moment after we released 12.10, we started working on 13.04
[00:13] <rickspencer3> and it goes into beta on Thursday
[00:13] <wade|shull> very nice
[00:13] <rickspencer3> so we are close to releasing it
[00:13] <rickspencer3> :)
[00:13] <wade|shull> so you are on the ground floor
[00:13] <wade|shull> awesome
[00:14] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, are you getting any output in QtCreator or anything about the crash?
[00:14] <rickspencer3> if so, you might consider logging a bug
[00:14] <wade|shull> well the funny part was it was working all good until there were some package updates
[00:14] <wade|shull> and like I said I don't know what I am doing so I think an update screwed with something
[00:14] <wade|shull> I am most of the way done with my app
[00:15] <wade|shull> so once I get it going again it won't take long
[00:15] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, cool
[00:15] <rickspencer3> would be nice if the team could know what broke for you, so they can fix it
[00:15] <rickspencer3> I bet if you update tomorrow, there is a good chance it will be fixed
[00:15] <wade|shull> yeah I am doing it right now so I can see if I can get some more info for everyone
[00:15] <rickspencer3> if not, come back and ping me, and I'll try to help you hunt down someone who can help
[00:15] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, what's your app?
[00:16] <wade|shull> I am working on two of them
[00:16] <wade|shull> Soundcloud and Trello
[00:16] <rickspencer3> soundcloud! cool
[00:16] <rickspencer3> the Grateful Dead post a lot of music there, so I know it well :)
[00:17]  * rickspencer3 looks up trello
[00:17] <wade|shull> yeah I had it wrote for my n950 so it is just a porting issue with the new ubuntu qml components
[00:17] <rickspencer3> niiice
[00:17] <rickspencer3> trello looks cool too
[00:17] <wade|shull> it is a very slick 'To Do' site
[00:18] <rickspencer3> I'm looking at screenshots now
[00:18] <wade|shull> very impressed with their layout
[00:18] <rickspencer3> does it have an API?
[00:18] <wade|shull> yes
[00:19] <rickspencer3> wade|shull, I'm sure kaleo_ will be very interested in how you are using Ubuntu Components to write your apps
[00:19] <rickspencer3> I hope you catch him tomorrow
[00:19] <wade|shull> I will try
[00:19] <wade|shull> it is the only reason I have ventured into the Ubuntu world to be honest
[00:19] <wilee-nilee> Hello, so I have touch installed on nexus 7, I'm a longtime ubuntu user and am quite familiar with android. I boot it up and a little confused on setting up a user.
[00:20] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, hi
[00:20] <rickspencer3> I don't think there is "setting up a user" on ubuntu touch
[00:20] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Hi
[00:20] <rickspencer3> hi wilee-nilee
[00:20] <rickspencer3> what are you trying to do, exactly?
[00:21] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, trying to just get it setup I appera to be in a preview gui
[00:21] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, yeah
[00:21] <rickspencer3> a lot of the experience is hard coded still
[00:22] <rickspencer3> the welcome screen and the contacts and everything, none of that is real data yet
[00:22] <wilee-nilee> yeah, do I need to ssh
[00:22] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, ssh to talk to the device, you mean?
[00:23] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Yeah, I'm not familiar with ssh but was looking through the links and the adb stuff, just trying to get orientated.
[00:23] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, ok
[00:23] <rickspencer3> so, depends on what you are trying to do
[00:24] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, if you want to just use what is there, you can just configure your wireless, browser the web, use facebook, etc...
[00:24] <rickspencer3> if you are trying to write an application, you can install the sdk, and QtCreator will help you talk to the device for running your app and stuff
[00:24] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Cool, I was hoping for a user, you know somewhat similar in concept to the ported desktop versions.
[00:25] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, yeah, so far there is a default user
[00:25] <rickspencer3> and you can't configure other ones
[00:25] <rickspencer3> but Ubuntu Touch is inherently multi-user and there will be a GUI for it
[00:25] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, cool I see, looks like anice setup, beter for a phone as is I suppose
[00:26] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, I think it will be good for all form factors!
[00:26] <rickspencer3> :)
[00:26] <wilee-nilee> or using the services you have mentioned
[00:26] <wilee-nilee> yeah, just checking it outfor fun no biggie
[00:27] <wilee-nilee> So how do I shutdown a app runing like the gallery
[00:28] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, I appreciate the general outline.
[00:28] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, did you install the daily?
[00:28] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, yeah
[00:29] <rickspencer3> that's good
[00:29] <rickspencer3> it gets better each day
[00:29] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, I used the phablet loading
[00:29] <rickspencer3> with "-l"?
[00:30] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Not sure just ran the instructions hold on,
[00:30] <rickspencer3> phablet-flash -l gives you the very latest build
[00:30] <rickspencer3> without the "-l" you get an older one
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Ah, yeah I ran phablet-flash -b -l  heh there is the -l Doh
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, So I gues my only real problem is turn off a running app is this possible?
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> I looked around and have not figured that out anyway,
[00:33] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, yes
[00:33] <rickspencer3> drag from the bottom until a small translucent black box appears
[00:33] <rickspencer3> drag your finger into that box
[00:33] <rickspencer3> this invokes "the hud"
[00:33] <rickspencer3> there is an "x" button in the hud that will close the app
[00:33] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, cool,
[00:34] <rickspencer3> (among other things)
[00:34] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, is the hud at the bottom?
[00:35] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, swipe from below the bottom of the screen upwards
[00:35] <rickspencer3> and continue to drag up until you see the hud button appear
[00:36] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Looks like a magnifying glass?
[00:37] <rickspencer3> yes, that's the one
[00:37] <rickspencer3> keep dragging until your finger is in it to activate it
[00:38] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Doh I got it now, thanks man. ;)
[00:38] <rickspencer3> wilee-nilee, np ;)
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> rickspencer3, Looks like a nice setup it will be nice to see it grow in popularity hopefully, have agood thanks again.
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> a good day*
[00:39] <rickspencer3> hey wilee-nilee
[00:39] <rickspencer3> thanks man
[00:40] <rickspencer3> I'm just stepping out for some food with my family
[00:40] <rickspencer3> I'll bbl
[00:40] <rickspencer3> :)
[01:36] <rsalveti> janimo: after running source build/envsetup.sh, you can run 'mka TARGET_KERNEL_BINARIES'
[01:36] <rsalveti> that will only build the kernel
[01:37] <rsalveti> but in case you already have a valid build environment, running brunch will always try to build the kernel
[01:37] <rsalveti> even if nothing changed there
[04:05] <CPCookieMan_> Hello
[04:32] <vikceo> hi i am in big trouble
[04:32] <vikceo> i was running ubuntu touch on my nexus 7
[04:32] <vikceo> and the yestrday decided to restore to the android
[04:32] <vikceo> while trying to do that
[04:32] <vikceo> when i run the step
[04:33] <vikceo> ./flash-all.sh
[04:33] <vikceo> it finally fails with error as
[04:33] <vikceo> EOCD not found, not Zip error: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:54] <janimo> rsalveti, thanks
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <dholbach> bfiller, good work on the summary!
[07:06] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:37] <ogra_> dholbach, shouldnt the touch summary be posted on planet too ?
[08:37] <dholbach> ogra_, I'm not sure if bfiller is on planet
[08:58] <ogra_> dholbach, well, does bill go on doing the summaries ? i think UbuntuTouch should have something like the canonical blog or the fridge to ppost such announcements to planet
[08:59] <dholbach> ogra_, I don't know whose responsibility it's going to be - I did the first, rsalveti the second and bfiller did the third now
[08:59] <ogra_> thats what i mean :)
[08:59] <ogra_> the person changes, the assigned blog shouldnt ... so that planet gets the summaries too
[08:59] <dholbach> I understand
[09:00] <dholbach> we haven't figured this out, but I agree that the great work which happens here should have more publicity
[09:00] <ogra_> yup
[09:00] <ogra_> just a thought ... no hurry to have it :)
[09:02] <utp> hi all
[09:17] <Peto> hi, someone to help me with galaxy note?
[09:57] <utp> Actually, does anyone uses the alpha daily, at all?
[09:57] <ogra_> alpha daily ?
[09:58] <utp> I mean ubuntu touch
[10:10] <Mirv> dholbach: hi. since dpm is away, can you modify http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile ?
[10:14] <ogra_> utp, many people do, since its the best way  to test your deveklopd apps etc
[10:14] <Mirv> dholbach: more precisely this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1162121/comments/1
[10:14] <ogra_> *developed
[10:14] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1162121 in Ubuntu QtCreator Plugins "wrong dependencies in ppa for raring final beta" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:31] <dholbach> Mirv, just to confirm - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" will be enough on raring?
[10:34] <Mirv> dholbach: that's true currently. with a future perspective, I'm not sure if it'd be better to keep instructing people to enable the PPAs however - I don't think we're going to update everything in the archives post-release, and already there's a newer ubuntu-ui-toolkit in SDK PPA
[10:34] <dholbach> I don't understand :)
[10:34] <Mirv> dholbach: what that means is that if it's deemed so (PPAs enabled also for raring users), the raring special case could be simply removed and the same instructions of adding PPAs and installing ubuntu-sdk would apply to all Ubuntu users
[10:35] <Mirv> on raring it's that most of the stuff comes from archives, but we may push newer Qt:s to the PPA also for raring users
[10:36] <Mirv> archives = archive.ubuntu.com vs. PPAs
[10:37] <dholbach> Mirv, so what do you want me to do now? make it "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" in the raring case for now? and you go back and come to a conclusion of where future sdk changes are going to be pushed?
[10:37] <Mirv> dholbach: that sounds correct
[10:37] <dholbach> all rightie
[10:38] <Mirv> and yes some conclusion would be needed :)
[10:39] <dholbach> mhall119, can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1162121/comments/1 (make it "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" in the raring case) - I seem to have problems editing the page in WP (I can only see the picture)
[10:39] <Mirv> bzoltan: ^ maybe on your todo list already but we need to reach a consensus on whether we start to support raring via official updates to all users or via PPAs, with the current status of raring archives being something that works but will not be up-to-date when development continues
[10:39] <dholbach> Mirv, sorry, have to defer to mhall119
[10:39] <Mirv> dholbach: np
[10:40] <bzoltan> Mirv:  you are right, it is on my todo list
[10:41] <Mirv> I would vote for PPAs, since new Qt releases might be problematic as stable release upgrades, but it's just something where all stakeholders need to be heard
[10:41] <bzoltan> Mirv: I think I want both the achive and the PPA ... the later would be the unstable daily and the archive the stable
[10:42] <Mirv> bzoltan: ok, that's one option as well, and it'd be the "support via archives" since PPAs would only be offered as an option, not something recommended
[10:42] <bzoltan> Mirv:  exactly
[10:43] <Mirv> just not sure how new features like Qt 5.1 and ubuntu-ui-toolkit going into stable release would work out.
[10:46] <bzoltan> Mirv:  I do not know that either... rolling release would make it easier on this field
[10:46] <bzoltan> but that is a small segment of the whole distro :)
[11:28] <JamesMR> Just got a nexus ten through the door, I'm almost ready to get really stuck into this stuff!
[11:45] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: hi, have time for a quick question about the OSK ?
[12:37] <mhall119> bzoltan: Mirv: just let me know if I need to update developer.u.c/gomobile
[12:42] <mhall119> Mirv: just so I understand correcly, specifically installing ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins is not needed on Raring?
[12:50] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: yep
[12:54] <popey> mhall119: I don't have that installed here
[12:55] <popey> mhall119: qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu is the correct package
[12:56] <Mirv> mhall119: yes, not anymore (and it got renamed)
[12:56] <Mirv> mhall119: as of yesterday ubuntu-sdk now pulls in the plugin as well, as the new creator with the plugin was uploaded to raring archives. previously it existed only in the PPA.
[12:58] <popey> excellent
[12:59] <mhall119> Mirv: ok, I'll update the site
[13:01] <Mirv> mhall119: thanks!
[13:02] <mhall119> popey: I feel we need some kind of "The Doctor is: IN" sign
[13:02] <popey> hah
[13:02] <popey> and a bulb
[13:03]  * popey pats the couch.. sit down mhall119, tell me your troubles
[13:07] <mhall119> so for those that are here, every Wednesday at this time popey and I will make sure we're around to answer your questions, or help you solve a problem, anything you need when developing your Ubuntu SDK app
[13:08]  * ogra_ serves some coffee to the room
[13:09] <mhall119> obviously this is a UK clinic then
[13:10] <ogra_> hey
[13:10] <ogra_> <- not british
[13:10] <popey> If it were UK, we'd serve tea and biscuits.
[13:10] <ogra_> but i'm only the coffee guy indeed
[13:10] <mhall119> well we certainly don't have people bringing us coffee under the US healthcare system
[13:11] <ogra_> well, since it is virtual coffee it was pretty easy to steal it from rsalveti's kitchen ...
[13:11] <ogra_> its a good brazillian brand ;)
[13:11] <mhall119> heh
[13:13] <Mirv> mhall119: it's now missing one "&&" from before the "sudo apt-get update"
[13:14] <mhall119> Mirv: fixed
[13:15] <Mirv> thanks again
[13:15] <mhall119> np
[13:15] <ckpringle> we have indeed opted for tea. No biscuits though.
[13:16] <mhall119> howdy ckpringle
[13:17]  * ckpringle tilts hat
[13:17] <popey> mhall119: do we have any plans for tutorial videos to get people started in developing apps?
[13:17] <popey> beyond currency conversion
[13:18] <mhall119> well fixing the currency converter is first
[13:18] <popey> oof
[13:18] <popey> #action ....
[13:18] <mhall119> dpm already has an action for that
[13:18] <mhall119> but he's using up his vacation days this week
[13:18] <popey> ok
[13:19] <popey> I was thinking more "next steps"
[13:19] <mhall119> I want to spend some time, hopefully soon, on the new API website so people can link their own tutorials
[13:19] <popey> i realise things are somewhat in flux tho
[13:19] <mhall119> but I need to hack up qdoc or write an xslt
[13:21] <mhall119> so, popey, have you written an Ubuntu SDK app yet?
[13:21] <popey> Nope. I have one planned though
[13:22] <ckpringle> mhall119: what's that?
[13:22] <mhall119> ckpringle: what's what?
[13:23] <mhall119> popey: did you see the podcast downloader?
[13:23] <ckpringle> mhall119: an SDK app - there is the component showcase app already, which shows sdk components
[13:23] <popey> yeah! checked it out but it didn't run for me, needed some additional module installing
[13:23] <mhall119> ckpringle: I meant an app using the new SDK
[13:23] <ckpringle> mhall119: ah ok
[13:24] <mhall119> ckpringle: trying to distinguish them from Gtk apps when I talk about it
[13:24] <popey> file:///home/alan/phablet/code/catchpodder/controllers/PodcastController.qml:24 module "Catchpodderplugins" is not installed
[13:24] <popey> that
[13:24] <popey> No readme ☹
[13:24] <mhall119> hmmm...
[13:24]  * netcurli is the developer of catchpodder
[13:25] <popey> hah!
[13:25] <netcurli> I did not know how to include the plugin project
[13:25] <popey> netcurli: it looks excellent
[13:25] <popey> i see ./Catchpodderplgins/libFileDownload.so
[13:25] <popey> what do I "do" with that/
[13:25] <popey> and where is the upstream source?
[13:25] <mhall119> popey: try qmlscene -I ./plugins/ Catchpodder.qml
[13:26] <popey> ooh, it starts
[13:26] <mhall119> probably won't work though
[13:26] <mhall119> oh?
[13:26] <netcurli> the source for the plugin is currently only on my computer
[13:26] <mhall119> I mean, I totally know what I'm talking about
[13:26] <mhall119> Mirv: what's the right way to package a qml plugin?
[13:26] <popey> i get what looks like a webkit window with "undefined" in it
[13:27] <popey> we could do with a "packaging qml plugins" document
[13:27] <netcurli> popey: yeah, you need to click on a podast episode first, to get content into that webview
[13:27] <mhall119> popey: +1, I'll publish it as soon as someone writes it
[13:28] <mhall119> netcurli: if you put the source of the plugin in a separate branch, we can find you some help to get it packaged
[13:28] <popey> I do like that this has turned from developers coming to ask for help into us asking developers for help
[13:29] <mhall119> the point is, help is being given
[13:29] <mhall119> :)
[13:30] <popey> +1
[13:30] <mhall119> catchpodder is going to be on my next Ubuntu SDK Apps blog post
[13:31] <mhall119> I already have 5 more apps to showcase
[13:31] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/catchpodder.png is what I see when i run it
[13:31] <mhall119> and I published on Monday
[13:31] <popey> but but but.. we'll have no apps for our phone...
[13:32] <mhall119> if you build it, they will come
[13:32] <popey> Yes Kevin.
[13:32] <ckpringle> mhall119: what's a catch pod?
[13:32] <popey> Catchpodder is a podcast downloader
[13:32] <mhall119> ckpringle: a clever name
[13:33] <mhall119> it catches podcasts
[13:33] <popey> podcast downloaders (like itunes) are often called "pod catchers"
[13:33] <ckpringle> mhall119: oh i SEE
[13:33] <mhall119> flips it and reverses
[13:33] <popey> there's a famous one called BashPodder, this one builds on that name and is awesome.
[13:33] <netcurli> popey: you should have three tabs, when you open the app
[13:33] <netcurli> on the first one you can add a new podcast
[13:34]  * popey bzr pulls
[13:34] <popey> i wasn't up to date
[13:34] <popey> \o/ segfault qmlscene
[13:35] <popey> i have 3 tabs, first two are completely blank
[13:35] <popey> one has a pane and a blank button
[13:35] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673607/ is what i see when I run it netcurli
[13:37] <netcurli> the first tab is where the podcasts go, there should be an "add" button in the toolbar
[13:38] <netcurli> btw.: I uploaded the plugin source to https://code.launchpad.net/~djfun/catchpodder/filedownload
[13:38] <popey> thanks
[13:38] <popey> it never renders anything in the first two panes
[13:38] <popey> you're testing in qmlscene?
[13:38] <popey> on 13.04?
[13:39] <netcurli> I am testing in qmlscene on 12.10
[13:39] <popey> hmm
[13:39] <popey> I dont have any 12.10 systems here i can test on
[13:39] <netcurli> you have the toolbar in the first tab?
[13:39] <popey> no
[13:39] <popey> can you show me a screenshot of what it should look like?
[13:41] <mhall119> netcurli: popey: are you guys both on 64bit?
[13:41] <netcurli> I am just clearing my database and then look, how it will look like, when there is nothing there
[13:41] <popey> yes, I am on 64-bit 13.04
[13:41] <netcurli> I am also on 64bit
[13:41] <mhall119> yeah, I'm on 32bit, can't load the compiled plugin
[13:42] <popey> yeah, you probably want to remove that binary blob from the build
[13:42] <popey> s/build/trunk/
[13:42] <mhall119> popey: we should definitely think about providing a curated "all of the apps" PPA
[13:42] <popey> +1
[13:43] <popey> So there's "default", "core" and "non-core"
[13:43] <mhall119> netcurli: so, first things first, put the plugin code in a separate branch under the catchpodder project on LP
[13:44] <netcurli> it is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~djfun/catchpodder/filedownload
[13:44] <netcurli> popey: http://djfun.de/ubuntu/screenshot_qmlscene_034.png
[13:45] <netcurli> there should be a toolbar, you can swipe up from the bottom
[13:45]  * popey pulls up from the bottom
[13:45] <popey> ok, two buttons and no icons
[13:45] <popey> thats better!
[13:45] <netcurli> yeah, thats where the error messages come from
[13:46] <netcurli> you should be able to add a podcast now
[13:46] <popey> yup, done
[13:46] <netcurli> and with refresh I think, it loads the episodes
[13:47] <popey> ah, it remembers which casts I subscribed to on restart
[13:47] <popey> is that localstorage? sqllite?
[13:47] <popey> found 18 episode(s) for podcast 1
[13:47] <netcurli> QtQuick.LocalStorage
[13:48] <popey> blimey, it plays
[13:48] <mhall119> \o/ it runs
[13:48] <popey> almost
[13:48] <mhall119> popey: what's the URL for UUPC?
[13:48] <popey> http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastMp3-high?format=xml
[13:48] <popey> had that handy of course
[13:48] <popey> audio playback stutters
[13:49] <netcurli> yeah, it plays at the moment the file directly from the server
[13:49] <mhall119> netcurli: you should look into using PageStack instead of Tabs
[13:49] <popey> gotcha
[13:49] <mhall119> I think it'll give you the navigation you want
[13:49] <popey> this is great stuff
[13:50] <mhall119> netcurli: for example, PageStack will automatically give you a Back button on the toolbar
[13:51] <mhall119> and prevents the user from changing to another page unless they click on a podcast/episode ListItem
[13:51] <netcurli> yes, I have seen that. but I wanted to have the episode list somewhere directly accessible
[13:51] <popey> looks like you're using libsoup?
[13:51] <netcurli> the list with all episodes from all podcast
[13:52] <netcurli> +s
[13:52] <netcurli> libsoup?
[13:53] <popey> yeah, I'm seeing hits on the backend server from a client calling itself libsoup
[13:53] <netcurli> I am doing a XMLHttpRequest from javascript
[13:54] <popey> hmm, interesting.
[13:57] <netcurli> mhall119: I think I can try using a pagestack and then compare which one is more usable
[13:57] <mhall119> netcurli: what are you using filedownload for?
[13:57] <netcurli> currently only for the podcast image
[13:58] <mhall119> you might be able to just use the URL for that
[13:59] <popey> that wont be nice if you're listening offline?
[13:59] <popey> unless you cache it
[13:59] <netcurli> yeah, the goal is that it works offline
[13:59] <mhall119> yeah, caching remote media is something I'm going to have a chat with the SDK team about, right now actually
[13:59] <mhall119> aquarius wants it too
[14:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I sent an email (I think) a while back to do the whole grid as part of the build
[14:00] <rsalveti> sergiusens: grid?
[14:01] <sergiusens> rsalveti: GRID_UNIT_PX
[14:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: oh, you mean using system prop?
[14:01] <sergiusens> rsalveti: webkit dpr and the deprecated FORM_FACTOR
[14:01] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yes
[14:01] <rsalveti> I'd prefer not to tune and change that if possible
[14:01] <rsalveti> and control it from the ubuntu side
[14:01] <mister_zombie> Will I destroy my nexus 7 if I try ubuntu touch or is it somewhat, remotely safe?
[14:02] <rsalveti> but I see your point
[14:02] <mister_zombie> (The brick-warning got me worried.)
[14:02] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok, but it does make porting and enabling a bit more tedious
[14:02] <rsalveti> form_factor is something that we need to remove at some point
[14:02] <rsalveti> and the webkit one will go away as well
[14:02] <popey> mister_zombie: others have successfully flashed, and re-flashed back to Android.. (myself included)
[14:02] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[14:02] <pmcgowan> mister_zombie: you should be safe to revert if you want, just make sure its well charged
[14:02] <popey> Bricking chances are low IMO.
[14:02] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: i noticed that if you have a text field in QML that has focus (so that the OSK is showing), if you destroy the text field the OSK doesn't go away. i'm not sure if it should, but it seems logical to do so
[14:03] <mister_zombie> Will try. I'll do the flashing only while on charge.
[14:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I have some MRs for you too
[14:05] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sure
[14:05] <sergiusens> HApproved btw
[14:05] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we need to sync regarding raring as well
[14:05] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but got in a meeting now, we can sync after our stand up
[14:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yes, lets do that
[14:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/grab_latest/+merge/156837
[14:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/start_adb_first/+merge/156848
[14:08] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: the changelog today reported an error at the top
[14:08] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: interesting
[14:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled.changelog\
[14:08] <ogra_> oh, lovely
[14:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: is there a way you can create a _tags_ file in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/ ?
[14:08] <rsalveti> seems another lab issue
[14:09] <rsalveti> fatal: unable to connect to phablet.ubuntu.com:
[14:09] <rsalveti> phablet.ubuntu.com[0: 91.189.95.18]: errno=No route to host
[14:09] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: and some changes that got in are not reflected
[14:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, with what content ?
[14:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, i'm currently just blindly pulling from hjenkins
[14:09] <ogra_> -h
[14:09] <sergiusens> ogra_: with the tags... for now, just mwc-demo, but in the future all others, same thing for the 'raring' name
[14:09]  * ogra_ doesnt get that 
[14:10] <ogra_> what tags from where ?
[14:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: where does that code run?
[14:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: so if you go to that link you will see 'mwc-demo'
[14:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: that's a link, and there may be many more, right?
[14:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: I want to know if I can put them in some sort of manifest
[14:11] <ogra_> ah, well, the cdimage code puts a releases dir in place normally
[14:11] <sergiusens> mmrazik: seems the server IP change caused more problems still
[14:11] <ogra_> which then has the different released images
[14:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: yes, I see, like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/
[14:12] <ogra_> right
[14:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: but it would be nice to get them in some manifest
[14:13] <ogra_> hmm, why ?
[14:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: to download and present a list for people wanting to use a 'revision'
[14:13] <ogra_> arent the versions enough ?
[14:13] <ogra_> seems like duplication to me
[14:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: well if I wanted to use phablet-flash --get-avail-revisions what would I do?
[14:14] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: thanks for observing that. it does not unset the focus, i will check this.
[14:14] <ogra_> get the list in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/
[14:14] <ogra_> (in case of edubuntu)
[14:14] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: do you need me to file a bug so it can be tracked ?
[14:14] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: that would be good, yes
[14:14] <sergiusens> ogra_: that means I have to parse html though
[14:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, i would rather think that phablet-flash automatically pulls the latest stable by default ... phablet-flash -d pulls the last development version (daily)
[14:15] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: against what project ?
[14:15] <ogra_> i highly doubt anyone will use quantal once we have a working raring image
[14:16] <ogra_> and i seriously hope we will soon stop being behind on revisions like we are atm
[14:16] <ogra_> i.e. development version should be S ... stable version should be R
[14:16] <ogra_> we are totally off from the distro schedule ... that needs to change soon
[14:16] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: lets have it in maliit-framework for now
[14:16] <ogra_> and then it shouldnt matter anymore
[14:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: the tool will pull latest by default now
[14:17] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: launchpad tells me that there's no such project
[14:18] <ogra_> sergiusens, yep, saw that, thats awesome ...
[14:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: regarding raring, before leaving last week I think I had most if not all of it bootstrapped
[14:18] <ogra_> yes, well, raring releases soon ...
[14:18] <ogra_> so we're still behind
[14:19] <ogra_> we are rolling images for just a few weeks ...
[14:19] <ogra_> and then should switch to S as soon as S opens
[14:19] <ogra_> (/me fouond all that raring business pretty pointless from the beginning, but people wanted it)
[14:20] <ogra_> we need to get in sync with the distro ASAP
[14:20] <ogra_> having interim raring images doesnt really help with that
[14:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: well, I don't think we ever wanted a raring build (at least not me), just make the code sync to it as close as possible
[14:21]  * sergiusens wasn't here for the original discussion though
[14:21] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I expected we would make a raring buid
[14:21] <pmcgowan> or that it would simply switch over
[14:21] <ogra_> sergiusens, heh, seems there is some discrepancy in expectations between developers and managers :)
[14:21] <pmcgowan> shocking that
[14:21] <ogra_> haha
[14:21] <popey> in _canonical_ ?!
[14:21] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: touch-preview-images
[14:21] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: there is, I just said I didn't agree with it, that's all, still working on it
[14:21] <ogra_> same here
[14:22] <ogra_> i find it a massive waste of developer time :)
[14:22] <pmcgowan> which?
[14:22] <ogra_> but i raised that before
[14:22] <ogra_> pmcgowan, doing raring images
[14:22] <pmcgowan> are you suggesting go straight to s when it opens?
[14:22] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I've also been kept out of the loop on some workitems that were discussed and some duplication seems to be taking place too
[14:22] <pmcgowan> I am ok with that
[14:22] <ogra_> pmcgowan, exactly
[14:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens: that is part of the jenkins build process
[14:22] <ogra_> pmcgowan, well, now we are close to have raring builds and many people have put time into it ...
[14:23] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, found it, I'm logging an RT
[14:23] <pmcgowan> if raring build is really that much overhead we could skip, but seems pretty automatic
[14:23] <ogra_> i think now its to late to drop them ... else the waste will just be bigger
[14:23] <rsalveti> sergiusens: so jenkins wasn't able to grab stuff from phablet
[14:23] <rsalveti> cool
[14:24] <ogra_> rsalveti, jenkins changed its IP ...
[14:24] <ogra_> i would guess its a FW issue
[14:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: it's a firewall issue
[14:27] <ogra_> yep
[14:27] <ogra_> we had that with syncs to cdimage as well
[14:29] <sergiusens> ogra_: this one is a bit different though
[14:29] <ogra_> well, FW open for the old IP but not moved was mine ... i would expect something similar
[14:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: thing is, the IP of the place where the build takes place shouldn't have changed in this case
[14:30] <ogra_> oh
[14:35] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1163958 please confirm it
[14:36] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: great thx
[14:36] <davmor2> popey: I hope the podcaster app utilises U1 so you don't need to download it a dozen times ;)
[14:36] <popey> thats a tip idea davmor2
[14:36] <popey> *top
[14:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: do I remember incorrectly or did the browser have tests that used some local pages at some point ? or is there any other app that installs some data files for autopilot tests that you know about ?
[14:39] <sergiusens> rsalveti: problem with network seems to have been a generic network error
[14:40] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: the browser does have tests that use local pages, but those pages are generated during the tests in a temporary location, and deleted afterwards
[14:40] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ah, ok, so not a good example for what i need to do (have pre-filled sqlite databases to setup tests for notepad)
[14:41] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: nope, unless you can create those databases at runtime
[14:41] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, thought the same as well
[14:41] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: but even then, I suppose you want them in a well-known location, not a temp directory
[14:42] <rsalveti> but cool, next one should work fine then
[14:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: not generate them from scratch, but you gave an idea. maybe i wipe the existing one clean without deleting it and INSERT new rows with the content i want. probably more readable as well, though it's more overhead in the tests too as opposed to just copying a binary before starting the test
[14:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I added some guards in the build script... if this happens again the build will fail
[14:49] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ok, cool
[14:55] <rsalveti> cyphermox: I'm applying the patches, and just noticed the init changes has a disabled entry
[14:55] <rsalveti> an not oneshot, so I wonder who triggers hciattach
[14:56] <rsalveti> cyphermox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673803/
[14:56] <rsalveti> did you test that without the ubuntu package running at the ubuntu container?
[14:56] <rsalveti> just to be sure, as I don't have a nexus 7 to test
[14:56] <rsalveti> but the patches looks good
[14:58] <mhall119> pmcgowan: so is there going to be a Raring phablet image?
[14:58]  * mhall119 tries to catch up
[14:58] <rsalveti> mhall119: yup, hopefully this week still
[14:59] <rsalveti> the first one should come out today
[14:59] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[15:01] <rsalveti> bfiller: sergiusens: ricmm_: sync?
[15:08] <cyphermox> rsalveti: bttest triggers hciattach
[15:08] <cyphermox> btenable I mean
[15:09] <cyphermox> I know it's confusing but there are some magic things done by bttest alongside starting hciattach
[15:09] <rsalveti> cyphermox: cool, thought about that but just wanted some confirmation :-)
[15:10] <thisguy> rsalveti: I'm back again I know you probably getting tired of me but you've been giving me good help well I've had this building problem for two days and I have been trying to fix it i keep getting this.....   make: *** No rule to make target `/home/jon/[target_directory]/out/target/product/shooter/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libgenlock_intermediates/export_includes', needed by `/home/jon/[target_directory]/out/target/product/shooter/o
[15:10] <rsalveti> cyphermox: will apply them
[15:10] <cyphermox> ok
[15:10] <cyphermox> rsalveti: we'll make it nicer later, but I guess bttest works for now
[15:10] <cyphermox> just kind of ridiculous to be using *that* with a name like it, to enable bluetooth
[15:11]  * cyphermox will start on the nexus4 bluetooth this afternoon
[15:20] <rsalveti> cyphermox: right, that's fine
[15:36] <rsalveti> sergiusens: updated https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/grab_latest/+merge/156837
[15:36] <rsalveti> time for lunch now
[15:40] <sergiusens> rsalveti: answered
[15:51] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ok, approved
[16:02] <davmor2> Hey guys you really need to change that user string on the browser currently google wants to install the app on my iphone :D
[16:15] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/session-manager/releasing_new_config_files/+merge/156899
[16:19] <netcurli> I added a branch to the catchpodder launchpad project where I put a pagestack version instead of tabs. if someone wants to try that out, go ahead :)
[16:39] <awe> rsalveti, stacked MRs created for raring ofono: https://code.launchpad.net/~awe/phablet-extras/ofono-raring/+merge/156908
[16:46] <oSoMoN>  mhall119: ping
[17:15]  * mhall119 pongs, but nobody is there
[17:18] <mhall119> pmcgowan: do we have some convention for naming the core apps and their files?
[17:18] <mhall119> currently I'm using ubuntu-<name>-app for the project, <name>.qml for the main QML file, and ubuntu-<name>-app.desktop for the desktop file
[17:23] <DrCode> hi all
[17:23] <DrCode> whats up
[17:25] <mhall119> hi DrCode
[17:26] <DrCode> dose ubuntu-phone can work in Samsung S3 or only google nexus?
[17:27] <mhall119> there's a community port for the s3 (various versions of the S3 actually)
[17:27] <DrCode> wow, where? I didn't know
[17:27] <DrCode> I am planning to buy new phone
[17:27] <mhall119> DrCode: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Work_in_progress
[17:28] <DrCode> ok
[17:28] <DrCode> thankyou
[17:28] <mhall119> np
[17:29] <pmcgowan> mhall119: no, we didnt realy want the ubuntu prefix, but other than simple names like clock-app I have no suggestion
[17:29] <mhall119> ok
[17:35] <mhall119> !devices is You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:35] <mhall119> !devices
[17:35] <mhall119> ubot5: ping
[17:35] <mhall119> ubot5 !devices is You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:35] <mhall119> ubot5: !devices is You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:37] <mhall119> !devices
[17:37] <mhall119> \o/
[17:38] <usererror> is there any sort of a legible change log?
[17:39] <sergiusens> usererror: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled.changelog
[17:39] <usererror> excellent :)
[17:39] <usererror> hmm
[17:39] <sergiusens> usererror: that one is empty though, so look at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130402/quantal-preinstalled.changelog for a ref
[17:39] <usererror> "Android repo sync:" .. well, it is a legible change log.. an empty one though
[17:39] <usererror> lol
[17:39] <usererror> ahh, much better :)
[17:41] <usererror> thank you sergiusens :)
[17:42] <sergiusens> np
[18:29] <moocow1452> Anyone home?
[18:32] <moocow1452> Anyone here know their way around Brunch?
[18:32] <rsalveti> cyphermox: we can just remove brcm-patchram-plus-nexus7 from the seeds now, right?
[18:32] <cyphermox> yes absolutelyt
[18:33] <rsalveti> ok, let me create an mr
[18:33] <moocow1452> I'm trying to build Ubuntu for my Nook Color, and was wondering how to add it (encore) as a lunch combo, or if that was even the problem.
[18:34] <cyphermox> enabling the bluetooth chip on the mako seems pretty straightforward, i'll be done in a few minutes hopefully
[18:34] <cyphermox> rsalveti: ^
[18:34] <cyphermox> with one other minimal patch like the one I sent before
[18:34] <rsalveti> cyphermox: awesome, no run-time firmware hacks?
[18:34] <cyphermox> yeah
[18:34] <cyphermox> but it's already shipped :)
[18:34] <rsalveti> great
[18:35] <cyphermox> next step is going to be to factor out what's in bttest and make it nicer
[18:35] <rsalveti> right
[18:36] <cyphermox> assuming there's some firmware blobs from qualcomm for bluetooth, getting the source for their patcher (if there is source for it)
[18:36] <moocow1452> Anyway, can anyone give me a couple pointers in how to build touch now that I got the repos localized, and all patched up?
[18:37] <cyphermox> moocow1452: p->c , p->f
[18:37] <cyphermox> moocow1452: you mean running envsetup.sh and brunch?
[18:37] <moocow1452> That's it cyphermox.
[18:37] <cyphermox> you already added it to brunch?
[18:37] <cyphermox> I mean, with the xml doo-da and all of which I know nothing ? :)
[18:38] <cyphermox> or do you want to do that first, and then build
[18:38] <moocow1452> I never touched brunch. All I know is that I run brunch encore and it goes partway with the build until this error pops up.
 I'm trying to build Ubuntu for my Nook Color, and was wondering how to add it (encore) as a lunch combo, or if that was even the problem.
[18:39] <cyphermox> ok
[18:39] <cyphermox> what error?
[18:40] <moocow1452> One second
[18:41] <moocow1452> make: *** No rule to make target `/home/user/Nook/out/host/linux-x86/bin/mkimage', needed by `/home/user/Nook/out/target/product/encore/ramdisk.ub'.  Stop.
[18:41] <moocow1452> make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[18:41] <rsalveti> cyphermox: sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~manhattan-team/manhattan/manhattan-quantal-armhf_removing_brcm_rfkill/+merge/156944
[18:41] <rsalveti> if anyone could top approve
[18:42] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I did lower, I'll let cyphermox do top
[18:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: thanks
[18:43] <cyphermox> ah, I don't have access
[18:45] <moocow1452> cyphermox, am I just sol with trying to figure out what goes where?
[18:46] <cyphermox> moocow1452: where does mkimage come from
[18:46] <moocow1452> mkimage?
[18:47] <moocow1452> Wait, updated the repo, now I got something new.
[18:49] <sergiusens> cyphermox: mkimage is in the android build tree
[18:50] <sergiusens> cyphermox: s/build/source/
[18:50] <moocow1452> cyphermox, I don't think I got one.
[18:50] <cyphermox> sergiusens: yeah but it didn't get build
[18:50] <cyphermox> moocow1452: ^
[18:50] <cyphermox> brb
[18:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: mind top approving https://code.launchpad.net/~manhattan-team/manhattan/manhattan-quantal-armhf_removing_brcm_rfkill/+merge/156944 ?
[18:56] <rsalveti> seems cyphermox is not part of the team, for some unknown reason
[18:57] <moocow1452> We're all hobbyest or volunteers, we're as part of the team as we want to be now that the code is out in the open, right?
[19:07] <DanWin> Hello, at last I have successfully ported ubuntu-touch to my Neo V, but using the latest daily images of ubuntu there is no ubuntu-session starting and I can't start it manually. And when using the old mwc-demo version it works, but the keyboard doesn't fit into the screen. Does anybody know a way how to fix that?
[19:15] <moocow1452> DanWin, I think there was something in the email list archives about manually specifying screen sizes.
[19:16] <moocow1452> DanWin, were you able to use Brunch to build your image?
[19:17] <DanWin> moocow1452: yes, everything has successfully build using 'brunch haida', I'm currently uploading the image.
[19:18] <moocow1452> I've been trying to build for encore, and it's been choking on my mkimage.
[19:19] <moocow1452> DanWin, did you have a problem with that, or is it just me?
[19:22] <DanWin> No, I had no problems with that. Maybe you don't have not enough RAM to make it.
[19:24] <DanWin> moocow452, I don't find anything useful about the screen sizes for me at the mailing list, because it is for the new daily images, but I have to use the old mwc-demo version.
[19:36] <moocow1452> DanWin, sorry, can't help you then.
[20:08] <cyphermox> moocow1452: poke. did you manage to make it work?
[20:09] <cyphermox> rsalveti: indeed I'm not in the team that owns the branch for the seeds... but I wonder if that shouldn't be moved at least to ~phablet-team
[20:09] <rsalveti> cyphermox: probably, but I think we'll stick with this team until we're building it at cdimage
[20:09] <rsalveti> which should happen after s
[20:10] <cyphermox> rsalveti: you'd get more potential reviewers though
[20:10] <cyphermox> and the benefit of the branch not being private as it is now :/
[20:10] <rsalveti> yup
[20:10] <cyphermox> but yeah, I guess that's subject to changing very much when we make it for S
[20:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: do you know why it needs to be under the private team?
[20:10] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yeah
[20:11] <cyphermox> moocow1452: if you're still struggling with your build maybe I can help now
[20:13] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I was thinking about moving the raring config to the public it that means anything to you
[20:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, we could make it under ~phablet-team
[20:14] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the previous quantal one has passwords in that I'd rather not publish ;-)
[20:14] <cyphermox> moocow1452: I think what you're missing for mkimage is probably just to add system/extras/mkimage to build/core/main.mk
[20:14] <rsalveti> right, indeed
[20:15] <cyphermox> ugh
[20:15] <rsalveti> now the ppas are all public
[20:15] <ogra_> err
[20:15] <cyphermox> otoh the seeds aren't the place to keep passwords ;)
[20:15] <sergiusens> cyphermox: we were using private PPAs back then
[20:15] <cyphermox> but when I looked it seems super complicated when it could be much simpler though
[20:15] <cyphermox> sergiusens: well, yeah
[20:16] <cyphermox> but I thought the seeds would have been less coupled with the actual upload ;)
[20:16] <cyphermox> oh, wait
[20:16] <cyphermox> yeah, I understand ;D
[20:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, any reason to not use https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring ?
[20:16] <ogra_> (and the tarsk and metapackage of that)
[20:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, I get 502 bad gateway
[20:17] <ogra_> *task
[20:17] <rsalveti> ogra_: nops, that is after we get at least one build working
[20:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: that was a joke ;-)
[20:17] <ogra_> heh, dont scare me at night !
[20:17] <ogra_> :)
[20:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: well launchpad has been sort of broken today for me and rsalveti :-)
[20:17] <ogra_> evil
[20:17]  * sergiusens thinks it might be a south america thing
[20:17] <rsalveti> yup, getting a bunch of 502 here
[20:17] <rsalveti> ricmm_: faults
[20:18] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I don't understand how it would be related to having one successful build though. but you're more aware of the details than I am
[20:18] <rsalveti> cyphermox: it's not directly connected, it's just that we're first trying to see if the packages and dependencies are in place at the ppa
[20:18] <rsalveti> so we can generate the task/meta package
[20:18] <cyphermox> ogra_: the seeds we were modifying before though where using a quite different structure
[20:19] <cyphermox> rsalveti: ok
[20:19] <ogra_> well, dont you guys use live-build to roll the rootfs ?
[20:19] <ogra_> and i assume you also use the main archive together with your PPAs
[20:20] <ogra_> so using the ubuntu-touch task should really not be any prob
[20:20] <rsalveti> yup, we'll do
[20:20] <ogra_> (i would even think trons easier)
[20:20] <ogra_> *tons
[20:20] <rsalveti> it's just that our focus now is getting the packages in place
[20:23] <cyphermox> rsalveti: any help you need for that?
[20:23] <cyphermox> rsalveti: btw I'll fix the ubuntu_chroot crashing when you don't pass shell, that's quite annoying
[20:23] <rsalveti> cyphermox: sergiusens was working now to solve the issues with hud
[20:23] <rsalveti> cyphermox: cool, thanks
[20:25] <sergiusens> cyphermox: sounds good (ubuntu_chroot)... keep in mind that init in android calls it without arguments
[20:25] <cyphermox> interesting, that code hasn't changed since I pulled my copy :)
[20:25] <cyphermox> sergiusens: ack
[20:26] <sergiusens> cyphermox: it was a half fix to avoid breakage there, but it wasn't revisited ever since we made the whole thing land on git
[20:30] <cyphermox> couldn't we make the init script call with an argument?
[20:31] <cyphermox> the behavior right now is not especially fixable, it just runs through everything and happily shuts down  it seems
[20:32] <cyphermox> or I can just make sure ubuntu_chroot checks if uchroot is running before starting it again
[20:34] <geeknux> hello
[20:34] <cyphermox> right, it's just doing everything as expected now, and happily shutting down when init returns, even if it was because it failed
[20:35] <geeknux> is there any converter to convert Android exported contact list to ubuntu touch?
[20:38] <rsalveti> cyphermox: cool
[20:39] <cyphermox> yuck
[20:39] <cyphermox> my cat just drooled on me :(
[20:40] <rsalveti> urgh hehe
[21:17] <moocow1452> There a cyphermox in the house?
[21:17] <cyphermox> moocow1452: yeah
[21:17] <moocow1452> Anything on Mkimage that might help?
[21:17] <cyphermox> moocow1452: I think what you're missing for mkimage is probably just to add system/extras/mkimage to build/core/main.mk
[21:18] <moocow1452> just gedit that in?
[21:18] <cyphermox> yeah
[21:19] <cyphermox> around the middle of the file you'll see a long list of subdirs
[21:19] <cyphermox> there should already be system/extras/ext4 something near the end
[21:19] <cyphermox> just add system/extras/mkimage after it, otherwise mkimage won't be built
[21:19] <moocow1452> Done and done, lighting up.
[21:20] <cyphermox> moocow1452: you *do* need to go through brunch again
[21:20] <moocow1452> I ran brunch encore, seems to be doing all sorts of things with all sorts of colors.
[21:21] <cyphermox> arf, I stupidly built and flashed a system image on my nexus4 without first retrieving the binary blobs >.<
[21:21] <cyphermox> moocow1452: mkimage only runs near the end yeah
[21:23] <moocow1452> cyphermox, can't you recover the binary whatzits from the Nexus site?
[21:23] <cyphermox> yeah, but I still need to download the image first
[21:23] <krabador> please team.... help the porting community to support hardware of devices....
[21:23] <moocow1452> And thanks for the help, hasn't errored yet.
[21:23] <krabador> i can't wait other months for calls in i9100...
[21:23] <cyphermox> moocow1452: is it getting farther than before?
[21:23] <cyphermox> krabador: what's up?
[21:24] <moocow1452> krabador, we're just as much the team as you are.
[21:24] <cyphermox> krabador: you're welcome to start hacking on your own device, it's not as scary as it looks ;)
[21:24] <krabador> cyphermox, yes i know
[21:24] <moocow1452> Way farther, cyphermox, lines of codes and messages and warnings and blue and brown font colors, but I haven't been kicked out yet.
[21:25] <moocow1452> krabador, I have the coding aptitude of a well educated rock, and I managed to get something cranked out.
[21:26] <krabador> moocow1452, great :D
[21:27] <moocow1452> I don't think anyone has any of the phones talking calls yet though, save the nexus builds.
[21:28] <rsalveti> jhodapp:
[21:28] <rsalveti> I/qtaguid (  129): Tagging socket 33 with tag 3f500000000(1013) for uid 32011 failed errno=-13
[21:28] <rsalveti> I/qtaguid (  129): Untagging socket 33 failed errno=-13
[21:28] <rsalveti> this is just a permission denied issue
[21:28] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah
[21:28] <rsalveti> but from the code, it seems it would not trigger any error
[21:28] <rsalveti> problem is
[21:28] <rsalveti> I/ChromiumHTTPDataSourceSupport(  129): Request failed with status 4 and os_error -102
[21:28] <rsalveti> http://androidxref.com/4.2.2_r1/xref/frameworks/av/media/libstagefright/chromium_http/support.cpp#287
[21:29] <rsalveti> but let's try to solve this permission error to see if it'd indeed cause any side effect
[21:30] <rsalveti> the socket tagging is just used by android so it can track what kind of data the apps are using
[21:30] <jhodapp> rsalveti, ah -102 is connection refused
[21:31] <jhodapp> rsalveti, interesting...I'll have to double check that it is in fact connecting to my local web server
[21:31] <rsalveti> jhodapp: right
[21:31] <rsalveti> jhodapp: I assume you're running over hybris at the ubuntu side
[21:31] <rsalveti> uid 32011 is the phablet user
[21:31] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yes, via the actual media player
[21:31] <rsalveti> right
[21:32] <jhodapp> rsalveti, I was thrown off by the tagging issue, thanks for looking at that
[21:33] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/no-redownload/+merge/156979
[21:36] <rsalveti> jhodapp: to fix the tag issue, run sudo chmod 666 /proc/net/xt_qtaguid/ctrl
[21:36] <rsalveti> then run your media app again
[21:37] <jhodapp> rsalveti, awesome, thanks
[21:38] <rsalveti> jhodapp: let me know if that is enough to get rid of that error messages
[21:38] <jhodapp> rsalveti, will do, thanks
[21:40] <DanWin> Hello, now I have successfully ported ubuntu-touch to my Neo V, but using the latest daily images of ubuntu there is no ubuntu-session starting and I can't start it manually. And when using the old mwc-demo version it works, but the keyboard doesn't fit into the screen. Does anybody know a way how to get the keyboard fit the screen size?
[21:43] <moocow1452> Gonna get dinner, hopfully compiler done by then. l8r
[21:43] <moocow1452> with an 8
[21:50] <kgunn> rsalveti: ping
[21:50] <rsalveti> kgunn: pong
[21:51] <kgunn> rsalveti: how are you my friend? :)
[21:51] <rsalveti> kgunn: good, and you?
[21:51] <kgunn> rsalveti: good, talking to kevin dubois on the mir team....he has some code for
[21:52] <kgunn> hybris which i think we'd like to point someone to
[21:52] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/aal+/shared-pthread-poc
[21:52] <kgunn> basically its a nexus7 specific issue in egl
[21:52] <kgunn> that creates the need for this....
[21:53] <kgunn> so if we want nexus7 w/o surfaceflinger to be functional...we'd need this change (or something like it)
[21:53] <kgunn> are you the man to speak to ?
[21:54] <rsalveti> kgunn: sure, we discussed about this change a few weeks ago, but it wasn't clean enough to be merged
[21:54] <rsalveti> guess I can sync with him tomorrow to see how we can plan such merge
[21:54] <rsalveti> as it'll be needed by mir
[21:54] <RobbyF> will MIR be in desktop 13.04?
[21:54] <kgunn> sure...i keep nagging him & he seems a little reluctant
[21:55] <kgunn> rsalveti: mainly he's working on nexus4 anyway...so 7 not on his radar, but plenty of folks rely on that
[21:55] <rsalveti> RobbyF: we should have it around may at least for the phablet image (enabled by default I mean)
[21:55] <rsalveti> kgunn: right
[21:55] <kgunn> yep
[21:56] <kgunn> we're thinking about a dev branch for desktop w/ unitynext/mir as an optional session around midsummer
[21:56] <ogra_> RobbyF, no
[21:56] <kgunn> rsalveti: so should kevin just create a MP to capture all the feedback on the hybris changes?
[21:57] <kgunn> rsalveti: or what do you recommend?
[21:57] <rsalveti> iirc it needed a bit of clean up first before the mr
[21:57] <rsalveti> let me sync with him first
[21:57] <kgunn> cool...i'll leave you to it (he'll probably curse me when you ping him :)
[21:57] <ogra_> RobbyF, there is #ubuntu-mir btw
[21:58] <kgunn> but i really want to run mir on my n7! using public instructions
[21:58] <RobbyF> thanks, :)
[21:58] <rsalveti> kgunn: sure, np
[21:58] <Pajn> According to the plans it looks like MIR will be introduced to the desktop in 14.04. Is this correct?
[21:58] <ogra_> 13.10 was the plan i think
[21:59] <kgunn> RobbyF: Pajn also check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec
[21:59] <kgunn> roadmap at the bottom
[22:00] <Pajn> yea, checked that. But can't understand if it says MIR in 13.10 or 14.04 for the desktop
[22:02] <rsalveti> sergiusens: at https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/no-redownload/+merge/156979 you add a new file to tag that the download was completed
[22:03] <kgunn> Pajn: consider the plan to be 14.04 as converged (default unitynext/mir)
[22:03] <rsalveti> sergiusens: what happens if the file is corrupted or not downloaded but you also have the .done file
[22:03] <Pajn> ok, thanks!
[22:03] <kgunn> prior to that it will be an optional session...target 13.10
[22:03] <kgunn> prior to that...dev branch
[22:03] <Pajn> ok, sounds good.
[22:04] <sergiusens> rsalveti: so I would need to revalidate... good point
[22:04] <rsalveti> sergiusens: seems it'd still validate via md5, but it'd not download/redownload
[22:04] <rsalveti> until the user erases the file
[22:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I'd prefer a solution that would skip the download in case the md5 matches the file
[22:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok, sounds good to me
[22:06] <rsalveti> the only problem is that we're not checking for the md5 integrity
[22:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: just that I once added an option to not validate :-)
[22:07] <rsalveti> right
[22:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I can just remove that
[22:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: let me go with a removal
[22:07] <rsalveti> yeah, I think so
[22:08] <rsalveti> only problem then is that the flash will fail in case the user just got the files and not the md5 ones
[22:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: so for that case the skip validation option would be useful
[22:08] <rsalveti> not sure if we want to cover that though
[22:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: it actually would of not worked until today...
[22:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I'll just remove the cruft
[22:11] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, ok
[22:13] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, what the heck is going on? I can use the browser in my Nexus 7!
[22:13] <rickspencer3> \o/
[22:14] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: hah, cool
[22:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens: let me know once you update the mr
[22:16] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, who may I congratulate on fixing that pesky bug in the osk?
[22:18] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: probably tmoenicke
[22:18] <rickspencer3> thanks tmoenicke!
[23:06] <moocow1452> Anyone home? cyphermox?
[23:07] <cyphermox> yeah, running out for a while though
[23:07] <cyphermox> just ask and I'll answer as soon as I'm back (in a few minutes)
[23:07] <moocow1452> make: *** [TARGET_KERNEL_BINARIES] Error 2
[23:07] <moocow1452> Error 2 mean anything?
[23:08] <cyphermox> no, you'll need to pastebin more of the previous lines
[23:08] <cyphermox> use a pastebin (http://paste.ubuntu.com/)
[23:09] <moocow1452> Entire thing, or just the error lines that don't look like anything else?
[23:10] <moocow1452> The entire thing scrolls off into the sunset with the terminal I'm working with, so the whole shebang might be an issue.
[23:15] <cyphermox> Moocow1452 the last 10 or 20 lines is probably enough
[23:21] <moocow1452> Here's what seems relevant. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675101/
[23:33] <moocow1452> cyphermox, did post the pastebin, didn't know if you caught it though.
[23:39] <cyphermox> yeah I was still out, kinda
[23:39] <cyphermox> so, no, it still does not include the necessary bits
[23:40] <cyphermox> moocow1452: basically, you're looking for what comes just before the "waiting for unfinished tasks" or whatever is written that looks like that
[23:45] <moocow1452> Nothing in what's cached, can I run it from the top and somehow log everything?
[23:46] <cyphermox> you might be able to just run make again and it will show the error
[23:49] <moocow1452> Bit I caught at the beginning. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675144/
[23:49] <moocow1452> Whatever else I could salvage at the end. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675146/
[23:50] <moocow1452> Ran from another brunch encore.