| ali1234 | is the thing about killing WUBI legit? | 00:48 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | i really really really hope it is true | 00:49 |
| hamitron | omg no! | 01:04 |
| hamitron | :/ | 01:04 |
| === soreau is now known as geaux | ||
| nigelb | AlanBell: ping? I need some help with meetingology :) | 06:26 |
| AlanBell | morning nigelb | 06:56 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:14 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 07:17 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:28 |
| brobostigon | morning daubers | 07:29 |
| popey | ali1234: yes | 07:47 |
| popey | (morning) | 07:47 |
| jacobw | Morning | 07:52 |
| === andrewdeane is now known as awd | ||
| feisar | Morning, anyone familiar with Nagios? hi, if my Nagios server is outside my LAN do I need a public IP for each NRPE client I want to monitor? | 08:02 |
| jacobw | feisar: you need to be able to reach the hosts you want to monitor | 08:05 |
| jacobw | feisar: if your LAN is 10.2.3.0/24 and your Nagios server is a VPS at 4.3.2.1, then it must have a route to 10.2.3.0/24 through your own network or a tunnel in to your network | 08:08 |
| JamesTait | Happy Tweed Day, everyone! :-D | 08:15 |
| feisar | jacobw: ah a tunnel in sounds like a good idea, thanks | 08:16 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:23 |
| kvarley | \0 | 08:29 |
| ali1234 | well, this is unusual | 08:55 |
| ali1234 | laptop works fine wwith ubuntu, HDMI out and wifi don't work in windows | 08:55 |
| === knightwise is now known as Knightwise | ||
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:04 |
| ali1234 | is intel HD 4000 another lemon? | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | well it didn't taste all that nice, that's all I know | 10:12 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: why so works well here | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | HDMI doesn't work | 10:15 |
| davmor2 | yeah it does both my laptops have it and it works fine for me | 10:15 |
| ali1234 | it works in ubuntu | 10:16 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't work in windows | 10:16 |
| ali1234 | it just makes the monitor turn on and off | 10:16 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: you know you are in the ubuntu channel right why would we care about windows ;) My new laptop came with window 8 and the hdmi worked fine, my old one had windows 7 and it's hdmi worked fine and earlier and latter version of hd4000 intel gfx and both work fine under ubuntu | 10:19 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: that was pluging into a tv rather than a monitor, so maybe it is a monitor issue rather than intel? | 10:20 |
| ali1234 | looks like a cable issue | 10:22 |
| ali1234 | although the cable works fine with the dvd player | 10:22 |
| ali1234 | my monitor does not seem to like it | 10:22 |
| ali1234 | are there different types of hdmi cable? | 10:22 |
| popey | there are | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: as far as I'm aware no, though my hd cable is the one that came with my ps3 I just unplug it and plug in a laptop to prove a point to love film :) | 10:25 |
| popey | "hdmi 1.3" | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | ah wait ofcourse there is the newer one with a power line to switch the channel like the scart leads do | 10:26 |
| ali1234 | but then why does it work in ubuntu with one cable, but in windows it needs the other cable? | 10:28 |
| ali1234 | this makes no sense | 10:28 |
| ali1234 | HDMI sucks | 10:28 |
| ali1234 | (i just tested with another cable and it works fine) | 10:28 |
| popey | does HDCP need more/different pins? | 10:29 |
| popey | and is windows enforcing HDCP | 10:29 |
| ali1234 | well the not working cable is off our DVD player | 10:31 |
| ali1234 | it works fine with that | 10:31 |
| ali1234 | blu ray player sorry | 10:31 |
| ali1234 | you'd think that would have HDCP | 10:31 |
| ali1234 | you're probably right anyway | 10:32 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: so you were being harsh on intel hd4000 chip and it wants an apology or it goes on strike ;) | 10:32 |
| ali1234 | meh | 10:32 |
| ali1234 | i never actually said it was intel's fault | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: it forgives you then ;) | 10:40 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk | ||
| === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g| | ||
| === alan_g| is now known as alan_g | ||
| * AlanBell has no desktop background still :( | 11:01 | |
| AlanBell | I have installed ubuntu-desktop^ | 11:01 |
| AlanBell | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673260/ is .xsession_errors | 11:02 |
| popey | is nautilus running? | 11:03 |
| AlanBell | yes | 11:04 |
| AlanBell | and right click does give a menu | 11:04 |
| popey | and right click, change background does what? | 11:04 |
| AlanBell | just no icons on the desktop it is white, and that was in a guest session | 11:04 |
| popey | I would ask in #ubuntu-desktop pls | 11:05 |
| AlanBell | pops up the background chooser | 11:05 |
| AlanBell | and has no effect | 11:05 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| * popey hugs Myrtti | 12:21 | |
| Myrtti | I thought everyone knew about irssinotifier for android :-D | 12:22 |
| popey | clearly not! :D | 12:22 |
| MartijnVdS | there's knowing.. and then there's caring ;) | 12:22 |
| Myrtti | (it's also one of the reasons why my phone is set to go silent between midnight and 0630) | 12:23 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: there is knowing and there is sharing, popey is the person we all come to to learn stuff how dare he not know ;) | 12:34 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: true :) | 12:37 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea | ||
| jacobw | IRC is not serious business | 14:32 |
| SuperMatt | I don't know | 14:32 |
| SuperMatt | I know of some people that have assumed it is | 14:32 |
| jacobw | People assume all kind of silly things | 14:34 |
| jacobw | See: 'God' | 14:34 |
| SuperMatt | I don't know, God isn't all that much of a silly assumption. The issue is that it's now (mostly) proven wrong | 14:37 |
| SuperMatt | and of course, that assumes that God has been asssumed, rather than taught | 14:38 |
| SuperMatt | I'm sure many people these days would never actually assume God based on evidence, etc | 14:38 |
| popey | !religioun | 14:41 |
| popey | bah! | 14:41 |
| popey | !religion | 14:41 |
| lubotu3 | Some topics are controversial and often end in negativity. Take care on subjects like war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling, baiting, hostility or repetition are not. If you are asked to stop, do so politely. Disputes to !appeals, please adhere to !freenode Policy and the !CodeOfConduct | 14:41 |
| SuperMatt | I'll stop o/ | 14:43 |
| * bootkigftrgds starts it off again .. | 14:43 | |
| bootkigftrgds | Is it true that 13.04 will get rid of "Wubi" ?? | 14:44 |
| === bootkigftrgds is now known as redtape | ||
| SuperMatt | I believe so | 14:44 |
| redtape | AlanBell: ping | 14:44 |
| redtape | AlanBell: Do you have any 12.10 DVD'd of Ubuntu left over ?? | 14:45 |
| redtape | **DVD's .. ? | 14:46 |
| SuperMatt | I should have picked one up when I was at canonical yesterday | 14:46 |
| redtape | sod it ..I'll just burn one for him .. | 14:46 |
| redtape | he's a restaurant chain owner with a music license .. with Win7 problems .. so a possible convert on my hitlist .. | 14:47 |
| redtape | Oh . I may given him the wrong one .. I gave him Ubuntu desktop amd64 .. is that the right one ?? | 15:03 |
| directhex | as opposed to? | 15:04 |
| jacobw | That is the right one for 95% of people | 15:04 |
| redtape | as opposed to the ubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386 | 15:05 |
| redtape | jacobw: thought so .. just checking.. | 15:05 |
| directhex | i386 is appropriate for pentium 4 and athlon xp and atom processors. in most other cases 64-bit is appropriate | 15:06 |
| directhex | ymmv. ianal. iddqd. | 15:06 |
| jacobw | i386 is really i686 and is only for 32 bit x86 processors; it'll work on 64 bit too, but it's suboptimal to run i686 on a 64 bit capable CPU, especially if you want to address more than 4GB without PAE | 15:07 |
| redtape | oh .. I think he is intel as he is trying it out on an "emachines " laptop .. sorry 4 the confusion. | 15:07 |
| jacobw | Yes, YMMV, IANAL .. IDDQD? | 15:07 |
| SuperMatt | impulse 9! | 15:10 |
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| kvarley | Story after story about features being delayed for 13.04. Don't people/writers realise things take time - no point pushing stuff out when it's not ready. | 15:12 |
| penguin42 | nod, it takes quite a lot of bravery to actually not-ship something, it's better than shipping something completely screwed | 15:13 |
| kvarley | Ubuntu is so good because it strikes a balance between cutting edge and stability. People seem to forget that when they want new stuff. | 15:14 |
| kvarley | Is Ubuntu still based on Debian? Or is still built for Ubuntu now? | 15:14 |
| SuperMatt | Ubuntu has always been based on debian testing | 15:15 |
| kvarley | SuperMatt: When they say "testing" they really mean usable but not guaranteed stable? | 15:17 |
| kvarley | I tried stable the other day and the XFCE packages are so old on squeeze | 15:17 |
| czajkowski | any ubuntu server users here - http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ubuntu-juju | 15:18 |
| kvarley | How can I search for printers that have good linux support and have separate colour cartridges? The wiki docs seem to be massively out of date | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | kvarley: What about openprinting.org ? | 15:22 |
| kvarley | penguin42: checking it out, thanks | 15:22 |
| SuperMatt | kvarley: my mistake, it's based on debian unstable. But Canonical do everything they can to stable it up a bit more, such as upgrade/downgrade packages | 15:22 |
| AlanBell | redtape: I have a handful of them left | 15:24 |
| SuperMatt | soooooo any word yet on a release party? :D | 15:31 |
| AlanBell | SuperMatt: not yet :/ | 15:32 |
| SuperMatt | I quite liked the place we were at last time | 15:33 |
| AlanBell | the official beard of the raring ringtail release party has been announced though, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y73w3pEaYJk/UK0BneTAdWI/AAAAAAAABM0/70C75mGAJBQ/s1600/lemur.jpg | 15:35 |
| SuperMatt | hah | 15:35 |
| SuperMatt | I wouldn't mind organising it, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes | 15:35 |
| AlanBell | that would be rather helpful :) | 15:35 |
| SuperMatt | who normally gets the ball rolling? | 15:36 |
| SuperMatt | there are some nice pubs on the southbank near Canonical | 15:37 |
| SuperMatt | ooh, maybe the golden hind | 15:37 |
| AlanBell | we suggest a pub and canonical say OK | 15:39 |
| AlanBell | April 25th is the date by the look of the schedule | 15:39 |
| AlanBell | dunno if it will be the last evar release party | 15:39 |
| SuperMatt | well I would like to propose The Old Thames Side Inn | 15:39 |
| SuperMatt | you think it might be worth taking this to the ubuntu-uk mailing list? | 15:40 |
| bigcalm | Is there a way of intergrating new email notifications, for imap accounts, into unity without running a desktop client? | 15:40 |
| AlanBell | very nice | 15:40 |
| bigcalm | I'm trying to ditch Thunderbird | 15:40 |
| AlanBell | SuperMatt: I will email Marianna now and suggest that | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | AlanBell: cool, thanks :) | 15:41 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: do you use gmail? | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | I've been before, it has a large-ish outdoor area | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | I'm sure we can book a few tables | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | bigcalm: what are you replacing it with? | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: those are the IMAP accounts I'm thinking of. Though I need to think of something for my Outlook account | 15:42 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: the gmail webapp | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | SuperMatt: web mail. I just need notifying when new emails come in | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: does it work for multiple accounts? | 15:42 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I don't know I don't actually use it | 15:44 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I don't know how hard it would be to create a new instance either | 15:46 |
| SuperMatt | bigcalm: what you can do is install the labs thing for gmail, which puts a count in the title. This is great because pinned tabs in chrom* and firefox will flash when a new email has come in | 15:48 |
| SuperMatt | I rely on this quite heavily and it works well | 15:48 |
| popey | xnox: ☹ bug 1163997 | 15:49 |
| lubotu3 | Error: Launchpad bug 1163997 could not be found | 15:49 |
| SuperMatt | personally though, I've just switched to running my own mail server | 15:49 |
| popey | usb startup disk creator seems a bit flaky in raring | 15:49 |
| SuperMatt | slow? | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | SuperMatt: great, except I might not have a web browser open or be looking at the workspace with it on. I need something that intergrates with the existing email notifyer icon and turns blue upon new emails. Along with an audio alert | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: looks like it is one account, but I'm sure you can have a play with it and make a dupe of the code base and add a secondary app for work mail | 15:50 |
| SuperMatt | well, I'm gonna be serious now... python supports imap, I don't imagine it'd be a huge issue to write something that can connect to your server and then send something to notify-osd | 15:50 |
| SuperMatt | I've been looking for a reason to stretch my pythonic muscles | 15:50 |
| bigcalm | SuperMatt: want to write it for me? I don't do python (much) | 15:50 |
| bigcalm | :) | 15:50 |
| SuperMatt | It's a good little project, and a small daemon is all it needs | 15:50 |
| SuperMatt | though I'm sure there are about a million questions one could ask about how it should function | 15:51 |
| SuperMatt | do you need to see a summary of each email as it comes in, or just the number of unread emails? | 15:51 |
| bigcalm | gnome-gmail-notifier seems to support multiple accounts. Wonder if it works | 15:51 |
| xnox | popey: is that the right bug number? | 15:52 |
| popey | yes, it's currently private | 15:52 |
| bigcalm | SuperMatt: a new message count against each configured account would be a good start | 15:52 |
| popey | subscribed you to it | 15:52 |
| SuperMatt | multiple accounts! /o\ | 15:53 |
| Myrtti | does gnome-gmail-notifier actually work nowadays? | 15:53 |
| Myrtti | gm-notify doesn't because API was changed. | 15:53 |
| SuperMatt | there is one issue... storing passwords... surely that'd be done in plaintext? | 15:53 |
| SuperMatt | no, there has to be a better way | 15:54 |
| popey | uhm | 15:54 |
| popey | we have online accounts | 15:54 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: installed, trying to figure out how to get to it. I have a feeling it might be a gnome2 thingy only | 15:54 |
| popey | would make more sense to use that | 15:54 |
| SuperMatt | oh wait, I could store in the keyring | 15:54 |
| popey | system settings -> online accounts, add a gmail account and then query that from python? | 15:55 |
| SuperMatt | oh yeah | 15:57 |
| SuperMatt | thanks popey | 15:57 |
| SuperMatt | though it wouldn't help with my server, but at least I could grab details from multiple sources | 15:58 |
| SuperMatt | so check online accounts for gmail, or store password in the keyring for other imap accounts | 15:58 |
| SuperMatt | unless you guys wanna chuck personal mail servers into online accounts ;) | 15:59 |
| SuperMatt | or is it down to me to write that? | 15:59 |
| popey | well.. | 15:59 |
| Myrtti | well then again I'm on Debian nowadays so the problems of the online accounts and webmail webapps and unity extensions are mainly academic interest issues for me. | 15:59 |
| popey | Myrtti: debian has online accounts too | 15:59 |
| popey | via gnome | 15:59 |
| SuperMatt | I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to add "generic imap account" and "generic pop3 account" | 15:59 |
| Myrtti | popey: yeah, but since I don't like Gnome Shell, I'm not using Gnome. | 16:00 |
| popey | SuperMatt: yeah, that would be interesting - speak to mardy or kenvandine in #ubuntu-desktop perhaps? see what the roadmap is | 16:00 |
| Myrtti | instead I tweaked XFCE4 to look a bit like Unity. | 16:00 |
| popey | yeah, i saw, looks neat | 16:00 |
| popey | I have my mac setup like that too | 16:00 |
| popey | dock on the left | 16:00 |
| SuperMatt | popey: will do, thanks | 16:01 |
| mgdm | I've had the dock on the right for so long that Unity takes a bit of getting used to | 16:01 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: can't it be moved to the right? | 16:02 |
| mgdm | Not in Unity, no | 16:02 |
| mgdm | left or GTFO :) | 16:02 |
| bigcalm | Goodness | 16:02 |
| SuperMatt | bigcalm: keep prodding me about this project btw. I might be able to have something simple up and running in a few weeks. It certainly wouldn't be perfect, and may have security issues, but you can be my first alpha tester ;) | 16:19 |
| bigcalm | SuperMatt: sure, glad you're interested in tackling the problem :) | 16:24 |
| MartijnVdS | he's solving The Problem®? | 16:29 |
| SuperMatt | my mind went to some very bad jokes just now | 16:29 |
| SuperMatt | thank Darwin it's home time | 16:30 |
| SuperMatt | cheerio! | 16:30 |
| popey | bigcalm: my virgin connection is odd today | 16:41 |
| popey | wonder if my cm needs a reboot | 16:42 |
| popey | connections keep pausing for 10 seconds at a time | 16:42 |
| bigcalm | popey: not had that, what I've had is outages of 30+ mins with the superhub showing no connection | 16:43 |
| bigcalm | popey: power cycling on the cards? :) | 16:43 |
| popey | I imagine so | 16:43 |
| popey | maybe lateron | 16:43 |
| popey | wifey is out tonight so hacking fun | 16:43 |
| davmor2 | popey: I had that yesterday evening but then it went away and has been fine since | 16:44 |
| davmor2 | popey: I rebooted my router and the super hub | 16:45 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| * bigcalm lumbers off Wolverhampton | 17:36 | |
| * MartijnVdS watches bigcalm fall | 17:36 | |
| bigcalm | +towards | 17:36 |
| MartijnVdS | no Wilhelm scream> | 17:36 |
| bigcalm | :D | 17:37 |
| bigcalm | Hayley and I make a point of listening out for that scream in each film we watch | 17:37 |
| MartijnVdS | *aaaugh* | 17:37 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: Once you've heard it, you can't un-hear it :) It's even in some games now | 17:38 |
| bigcalm | Nice | 17:38 |
| bigcalm | Right, off I pop | 17:39 |
| bigcalm | Toodles | 17:39 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 17:39 |
| TrevorH1 | I'm trying to upgrade an 8.04 LTS server to 10.04 LTS and I boot the new kernel and it hangs either just after the "XFS mounting filesystem xvda2" if the filesystem is clean or after the "Ending XFS recovery on filesystem xvda2 (logdev: internal)". I can however boot the old 8.04 kernel which seems odd since the release notes say it'll hang! | 17:55 |
| TrevorH1 | this is a VM running under xen on Centos 5.9 and it's a clone of the one I'll actually be upgrading for real | 17:57 |
| TrevorH1 | be grateful for any ideas about what might be the cause, it seems to have finished mounting the root f/s xvda2 | 17:57 |
| popey | has the filesystem name changed in the new kernel/ | 17:58 |
| popey | ? | 17:58 |
| popey | I had that | 17:58 |
| popey | i.e. no longer xvda but sda or similar | 17:58 |
| TrevorH1 | you mean the label? | 17:58 |
| popey | sorry, no device name | 17:58 |
| popey | also, what kernel are you using/ | 17:59 |
| popey | bah, stupid ? key | 17:59 |
| TrevorH1 | 2.6.32-46-generic is what the upgrade process installed | 17:59 |
| popey | should be okay | 18:00 |
| * popey goes to put kids to bed... back later | 18:00 | |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 18:08 |
| mungbean | want to rotate a screen using xrandr but it literally rotates and doesn't fill the view properly - any ideas? | 19:03 |
| popey | what is the output of just running xrandr before and after rotating? | 19:04 |
| mungbean | i was doing xrandr -o left | 19:04 |
| mungbean | i'll try it popey | 19:04 |
| mungbean | doesn't fix it | 19:05 |
| TrevorH1 | I reckon my 10.04 hang is in the initramfs code, perhaps because the new kernel seems to be including virtio* modules that the old one did not | 19:07 |
| popey | i didnt say it would | 19:07 |
| popey | I was asking to see the output | 19:07 |
| penguin42 | TrevorH1: Are you using a virtual machine? | 19:08 |
| popey | TrevorH1: there is a virt specific kernel | 19:08 |
| popey | well, there was | 19:08 |
| mungbean | actually i think it works popey, just the wine kindle app doesnt work with t | 19:09 |
| mungbean | my eee pc getting new lease of life | 19:13 |
| mungbean | except i need to find the cpu scaling thing again...feels sluggish | 19:14 |
| popey | eee 900? | 19:14 |
| mungbean | 701 | 19:15 |
| mungbean | (last time i do early adoption) | 19:15 |
| mungbean | running lubuntu 12.10 | 19:17 |
| mungbean | its become my sofa arm companion during paternity leave | 19:18 |
| * penguin42 would think you'd want something ARM powered for that | 19:22 | |
| mungbean | bahdum chish | 19:22 |
| mungbean | i tried chromium OS on this thing actually, bu failed | 19:24 |
| mungbean | congrats you are "Established middle class" | 19:26 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: If he'd used something ARM-powered he wouldn't need paternity leave, now would he | 19:27 |
| TrevorH1 | popey: penguin42: yes, this is a xen VM | 19:27 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: haha | 19:28 |
| * penguin42 doesn't know Xen foo | 19:30 | |
| TrevorH1 | I've checked the 8.04 initrd and it doesn't appear to have any virtualised drivers | 19:31 |
| penguin42 | 8.04 is OLD | 19:31 |
| penguin42 | 10.04 is only Old | 19:31 |
| TrevorH1 | yes, 1 month left until EOL hence the attempt to migrate :) | 19:32 |
| penguin42 | TrevorH1: Will it boot into the fallback/debug (can't remember the exact name) in grub ? | 19:32 |
| TrevorH1 | my predecessor's predecessor was an ubuntu fan and this is the last most difficult system left | 19:32 |
| penguin42 | TrevorH1: So you've gone up from 8.04 to 10.04 and it currently won't boot? | 19:33 |
| TrevorH1 | yes, I've followed the wiki page on dist-upgrade and there's a warning in there saying "make sure you boot with the new kernel or it'll hang" but I have the opposite, it'll still boot with the 8.04 kernel but the 10.04 one stops just after saying it's mounting the root fs, no panic, no error, just stop | 19:34 |
| penguin42 | ok, try the recovery/debug option in the boot it might give you some more info | 19:35 |
| penguin42 | TrevorH1: Ideally I'd try and get upto 12.04 but it's right to try and get 10.04 to boot first | 19:35 |
| TrevorH1 | 2 years more life is probably enough to get us off this one... 2TB of phone call recordings :( | 19:36 |
| TrevorH1 | I wonder if it might be because the root fs is XFS | 19:36 |
| TrevorH1 | though I'm really in poke'n'hope mode at the moment | 19:36 |
| penguin42 | TrevorH1: Unlikely to be because it's XFS (although XFS doesn't like unclean shutdowns if you had any) as I say, try and get it up in the recovery boot and at least see if there is any diag | 19:42 |
| * penguin42 admits to not liking XFS, but that was only one bad experience.... | 19:43 | |
| penguin42 | (a long time ago) | 19:43 |
| === victor9098_ is now known as victor9098 | ||
| TrevorH1 | yeah I have 60 or 70 other systems that are all CentOS on ext3/4, this one is the last ubuntu/xfs one left | 19:44 |
| TrevorH1 | I share your dislike of xfs, well it has its place, I use it on a 4TB f/s that contains huge files | 19:45 |
| zleap | or in here if it wont work from im | 20:04 |
| zleap | or pm what ever they are called | 20:04 |
| zleap | private message | 20:04 |
| zleap | hmm | 20:07 |
| mungbean | watching a war programme that was made in canada and redubbed in englissh. shame that we have to watch non britih versions of this stuff | 20:09 |
| TrevorH1 | bingo, not hung at all, just no console! old kernel used console=xvc0, new one wants console=hvc0 | 20:09 |
| zleap | wb tombrough | 20:09 |
| MartijnVdS | TrevorH1: because change is good! | 20:10 |
| MartijnVdS | wait.. | 20:10 |
| penguin42 | TrevorH1: Now, do you feel lucky enough to go to 12.04 ? | 20:11 |
| zleap | tombrough, try identifying anyway | 20:12 |
| TrevorH1 | I have yet to test all the applications that are meant to run on this machine! | 20:12 |
| TrevorH1 | I suspect half of them are already going to complain about glibc versions etc | 20:12 |
| MartijnVdS | They're that fragile? | 20:13 |
| TrevorH1 | I've got no idea yet, I'll let you know when they don't work :) | 20:14 |
| TrevorH1 | does upstart work with old-style initscripts in some sort of compatibility mode f.e? | 20:14 |
| MartijnVdS | Upstart starts old-style initscripts properlyt | 20:18 |
| Klettbar | what is tamiya tape | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | tape for making models i guess | 20:24 |
| mungbean | masking tape | 20:24 |
| mungbean | why u asK?# | 20:24 |
| mungbean | its the best one, | 20:24 |
| redtape | ali1234: I'm just watching Jono .. [ http://youtu.be/Jnh7kW_XMY0?t=11m23s ] It seems there is more about what's 'Not' in 13.04 than Is .. No Wubi, No Smart-scopes, No In-dash payment system. Wow I feel sorry for those under Mark getting a thick ear this month. | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | why u tell me this? | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | wubi is good riddance | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | it never worked right and just killed people's machines | 20:28 |
| redtape | Oh, I forgot , you are not interested in chit-chat, sorry, my mistake. | 20:28 |
| Klettbar | what means "to get a thick ear"? | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | if someone wants to try ubuntu without repartitioning they should just use virtualbox | 20:28 |
| redtape | troo. | 20:29 |
| AlanBell | wubi isn't well tested as nobody has got windows to test it on | 20:29 |
| redtape | or re-engineer Wubi .... (?) | 20:29 |
| zleap | lolk | 20:29 |
| zleap | lol / has windows but can't install linux without wubi | 20:29 |
| redtape | I think Wubi is MIT, anyway .. it's American company if I recall .. maybe not | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | yeah basically the problem with wubi is it is designed for noobs and only noobs use it. so when it breaks, nobody knows how to fix it. | 20:30 |
| * zleap erm has windows but can install linux without wubi | 20:30 | |
| zleap | i remember installing slackware to a fat 32 system years ago | 20:30 |
| zleap | back in about 95 | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | it's a great example of why expanding the userbase at the cost of driving away anyone with knowledge and experience is a really bad idea | 20:31 |
| redtape | I tried Anti-X on my old Win95 computer recently . Works well. | 20:31 |
| redtape | ali1234: Yeah, Ive gotta sort that out.. | 20:32 |
| redtape | leaves. | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | what was the FAT hack to get unixy permissions again? | 20:33 |
| MartijnVdS | I used it back in the 90s | 20:34 |
| mgdm | ummm | 20:35 |
| mgdm | I know the one you mean | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | does anyone know some software that can emulate a USB CD writer in hardware? | 20:35 |
| mgdm | muLinux used it | 20:35 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: umsdos? | 20:35 |
| mgdm | that's the one | 20:35 |
| MartijnVdS | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT_filesystem_and_Linux#Installing_Linux_on_and_booting_it_from_FAT_volumes_using_umsdos | 20:35 |
| MartijnVdS | http://linux.voyager.hr/umsdos/ | 20:36 |
| czajkowski | popey: http://s556.photobucket.com/user/theresanjesse/media/hairlesspug.jpg.html | 21:14 |
| popey | ew | 21:15 |
| Myrtti | outdoors looking at the stars ♥ | 21:20 |
| brobostigon | :) | 21:20 |
| Myrtti | that was fun | 21:23 |
| dogmatic69 | Anyone able to say what /proc/ is? | 21:58 |
| dogmatic69 | baobab has it listed as 140TB which is impossible as the drive is 63GB | 21:59 |
| shauno | it doesn't physically exist, so it shouldn't be used in disk measurements | 22:00 |
| shauno | it's just a bunch of kernel structures exposed as a filesystem | 22:00 |
| popey | saw this and thought of ikonia and directhex http://imgur.com/gallery/PdsRTKM | 22:21 |
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