[00:48] <ali1234> is the thing about killing WUBI legit?
[00:49] <ali1234> i really really really hope it is true
[01:04] <hamitron> omg no!
[01:04] <hamitron> :/
[06:26] <nigelb> AlanBell: ping? I need some help with meetingology :)
[06:56] <AlanBell> morning nigelb
[07:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:28] <daubers> Morning
[07:29] <brobostigon> morning daubers
[07:47] <popey> ali1234: yes
[07:47] <popey> (morning)
[07:52] <jacobw> Morning
[08:02] <feisar> Morning, anyone familiar with Nagios? hi, if my Nagios server is outside my LAN do I need a public IP for each NRPE client I want to monitor?
[08:05] <jacobw> feisar: you need to be able to reach the hosts you want to monitor
[08:08] <jacobw> feisar: if your LAN is 10.2.3.0/24 and your Nagios server is a VPS at 4.3.2.1, then it must have a route to 10.2.3.0/24 through your own network or a tunnel in to your network
[08:15] <JamesTait> Happy Tweed Day, everyone! :-D
[08:16] <feisar> jacobw: ah a tunnel in sounds like a good idea, thanks
[08:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:29] <kvarley> \0
[08:55] <ali1234> well, this is unusual
[08:55] <ali1234> laptop works fine wwith ubuntu, HDMI out and wifi don't work in windows
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:07] <ali1234> is intel HD 4000 another lemon?
[10:12] <SuperMatt> well it didn't taste all that nice, that's all I know
[10:14] <davmor2> ali1234: why so works well here
[10:15] <ali1234> HDMI doesn't work
[10:15] <davmor2> yeah it does both my laptops have it and it works fine for me
[10:16] <ali1234> it works in ubuntu
[10:16] <ali1234> it doesn't work in windows
[10:16] <ali1234> it just makes the monitor turn on and off
[10:19] <davmor2> ali1234: you know you are in the ubuntu channel right why would we care about windows ;)  My new laptop came with window 8 and the hdmi worked fine, my old one had windows 7 and it's hdmi worked fine and earlier and latter version of hd4000 intel gfx and both work fine under ubuntu
[10:20] <davmor2> ali1234: that was pluging into a tv rather than a monitor, so maybe it is a monitor issue rather than intel?
[10:22] <ali1234> looks like a cable issue
[10:22] <ali1234> although the cable works fine with the dvd player
[10:22] <ali1234> my monitor does not seem to like it
[10:22] <ali1234> are there different types of hdmi cable?
[10:25] <popey> there are
[10:25] <davmor2> ali1234: as far as I'm aware no, though my hd cable is the one that came with my ps3 I just unplug it and plug in a laptop to prove a point to love film :)
[10:25] <popey> "hdmi 1.3"
[10:26] <davmor2> ah wait ofcourse there is the newer one with a power line to switch the channel like the scart leads do
[10:28] <ali1234> but then why does it work in ubuntu with one cable, but in windows it needs the other cable?
[10:28] <ali1234> this makes no sense
[10:28] <ali1234> HDMI sucks
[10:28] <ali1234> (i just tested with another cable and it works fine)
[10:29] <popey> does HDCP need more/different pins?
[10:29] <popey> and is windows enforcing HDCP
[10:31] <ali1234> well the not working cable is off our DVD player
[10:31] <ali1234> it works fine with that
[10:31] <ali1234> blu ray player sorry
[10:31] <ali1234> you'd think that would have HDCP
[10:32] <ali1234> you're probably right anyway
[10:32] <davmor2> ali1234: so you were being harsh on intel hd4000 chip and it wants an apology or it goes on strike ;)
[10:32] <ali1234> meh
[10:33] <ali1234> i never actually said it was intel's fault
[10:40] <davmor2> ali1234: it forgives you then ;)
[11:01]  * AlanBell has no desktop background still :(
[11:01] <AlanBell> I have installed ubuntu-desktop^
[11:02] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673260/ is .xsession_errors
[11:03] <popey> is nautilus running?
[11:04] <AlanBell> yes
[11:04] <AlanBell> and right click does give a menu
[11:04] <popey> and right click, change background does what?
[11:04] <AlanBell> just no icons on the desktop it is white, and that was in a guest session
[11:05] <popey> I would ask in #ubuntu-desktop pls
[11:05] <AlanBell> pops up the background chooser
[11:05] <AlanBell> and has no effect
[12:21]  * popey hugs Myrtti 
[12:22] <Myrtti> I thought everyone knew about irssinotifier for android :-D
[12:22] <popey> clearly not! :D
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> there's knowing.. and then there's caring ;)
[12:23] <Myrtti> (it's also one of the reasons why my phone is set to go silent between midnight and 0630)
[12:34] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: there is knowing and there is sharing, popey is the person we all come to to learn stuff how dare he not know ;)
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: true :)
[14:32] <jacobw> IRC is not serious business
[14:32] <SuperMatt> I don't know
[14:32] <SuperMatt> I know of some people that have assumed it is
[14:34] <jacobw> People assume all kind of silly things
[14:34] <jacobw> See: 'God'
[14:37] <SuperMatt> I don't know, God isn't all that much of a silly assumption. The issue is that it's now (mostly) proven wrong
[14:38] <SuperMatt> and of course, that assumes that God has been asssumed, rather than taught
[14:38] <SuperMatt> I'm sure many people these days would never actually assume God based on evidence, etc
[14:41] <popey> !religioun
[14:41] <popey> bah!
[14:41] <popey> !religion
[14:43] <SuperMatt> I'll stop o/
[14:43]  * bootkigftrgds starts it off again ..
[14:44] <bootkigftrgds> Is it true that 13.04 will get rid of "Wubi" ??
[14:44] <SuperMatt> I believe so
[14:44] <redtape> AlanBell: ping
[14:45] <redtape> AlanBell: Do you have any 12.10 DVD'd of Ubuntu left over ??
[14:46] <redtape> **DVD's .. ?
[14:46] <SuperMatt> I should have picked one up when I was at canonical yesterday
[14:46] <redtape> sod it ..I'll just burn one for him ..
[14:47] <redtape> he's a restaurant chain owner with a music license .. with Win7 problems .. so a possible convert on my hitlist ..
[15:03] <redtape> Oh . I may given him the wrong one .. I gave him Ubuntu desktop amd64 .. is that the right one ??
[15:04] <directhex> as opposed to?
[15:04] <jacobw> That is the right one for 95% of people
[15:05] <redtape> as opposed to the ubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386
[15:05] <redtape> jacobw: thought so .. just checking..
[15:06] <directhex> i386 is appropriate for pentium 4 and athlon xp and atom processors. in most other cases 64-bit is appropriate
[15:06] <directhex> ymmv. ianal. iddqd.
[15:07] <jacobw> i386 is really i686 and is only for 32 bit x86 processors; it'll work on 64 bit too, but it's suboptimal to run i686 on a 64 bit capable CPU, especially if you want to address more than 4GB without PAE
[15:07] <redtape> oh .. I think he is intel as he is trying it out on an "emachines " laptop .. sorry 4 the confusion.
[15:07] <jacobw> Yes, YMMV, IANAL .. IDDQD?
[15:10] <SuperMatt> impulse 9!
[15:12] <kvarley> Story after story about features being delayed for 13.04. Don't people/writers realise things take time - no point pushing stuff out when it's not ready.
[15:13] <penguin42> nod, it takes quite a lot of bravery to actually not-ship something, it's better than shipping something completely screwed
[15:14] <kvarley> Ubuntu is so good because it strikes a balance between cutting edge and stability. People seem to forget that when they want new stuff.
[15:14] <kvarley> Is Ubuntu still based on Debian? Or is still built for Ubuntu now?
[15:15] <SuperMatt> Ubuntu has always been based on debian testing
[15:17] <kvarley> SuperMatt: When they say "testing" they really mean usable but not guaranteed stable?
[15:17] <kvarley> I tried stable the other day and the XFCE packages are so old on squeeze
[15:18] <czajkowski> any ubuntu server users here - http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ubuntu-juju
[15:20] <kvarley> How can I search for printers that have good linux support and have separate colour cartridges? The wiki docs seem to be massively out of date
[15:22] <penguin42> kvarley: What about openprinting.org ?
[15:22] <kvarley> penguin42: checking it out, thanks
[15:22] <SuperMatt> kvarley: my mistake, it's based on debian unstable. But Canonical do everything they can to stable it up a bit more, such as upgrade/downgrade packages
[15:24] <AlanBell> redtape: I have a handful of them left
[15:31] <SuperMatt> soooooo any word yet on a release party? :D
[15:32] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: not yet :/
[15:33] <SuperMatt> I quite liked the place we were at last time
[15:35] <AlanBell> the official beard of the raring ringtail release party has been announced though, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y73w3pEaYJk/UK0BneTAdWI/AAAAAAAABM0/70C75mGAJBQ/s1600/lemur.jpg
[15:35] <SuperMatt> hah
[15:35] <SuperMatt> I wouldn't mind organising it, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes
[15:35] <AlanBell> that would be rather helpful :)
[15:36] <SuperMatt> who normally gets the ball rolling?
[15:37] <SuperMatt> there are some nice pubs on the southbank near Canonical
[15:37] <SuperMatt> ooh, maybe the golden hind
[15:39] <AlanBell> we suggest a pub and canonical say OK
[15:39] <AlanBell> April 25th is the date by the look of the schedule
[15:39] <AlanBell> dunno if it will be the last evar release party
[15:39] <SuperMatt> well I would like to propose The Old Thames Side Inn
[15:40] <SuperMatt> you think it might be worth taking this to the ubuntu-uk mailing list?
[15:40] <bigcalm> Is there a way of intergrating new email notifications, for imap accounts, into unity without running a desktop client?
[15:40] <AlanBell> very nice
[15:40] <bigcalm> I'm trying to ditch Thunderbird
[15:41] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: I will email Marianna now and suggest that
[15:41] <SuperMatt> AlanBell: cool, thanks :)
[15:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: do you use gmail?
[15:41] <SuperMatt> I've been before, it has a large-ish outdoor area
[15:41] <SuperMatt> I'm sure we can book a few tables
[15:42] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: what are you replacing it with?
[15:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: those are the IMAP accounts I'm thinking of. Though I need to think of something for my Outlook account
[15:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: the gmail webapp
[15:42] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: web mail. I just need notifying when new emails come in
[15:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: does it work for multiple accounts?
[15:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know I don't actually use it
[15:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know how hard it would be to create a new instance either
[15:48] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: what you can do is install the labs thing for gmail, which puts a count in the title. This is great because pinned tabs in chrom* and firefox will flash when a new email has come in
[15:48] <SuperMatt> I rely on this quite heavily and it works well
[15:49] <popey> xnox: ☹  bug 1163997
[15:49] <SuperMatt> personally though, I've just switched to running my own mail server
[15:49] <popey> usb startup disk creator seems a bit flaky in raring
[15:49] <SuperMatt> slow?
[15:49] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: great, except I might not have a web browser open or be looking at the workspace with it on. I need something that intergrates with the existing email notifyer icon and turns blue upon new emails. Along with an audio alert
[15:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: looks like it is one account, but I'm sure you can have a play with it and make a dupe of the code base and add a secondary app for work mail
[15:50] <SuperMatt> well, I'm gonna be serious now... python supports imap, I don't imagine it'd be a huge issue to write something that can connect to your server and then send something to notify-osd
[15:50] <SuperMatt> I've been looking for a reason to stretch my pythonic muscles
[15:50] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: want to write it for me? I don't do python (much)
[15:50] <bigcalm> :)
[15:50] <SuperMatt> It's a good little project, and a small daemon is all it needs
[15:51] <SuperMatt> though I'm sure there are about a million questions one could ask about how it should function
[15:51] <SuperMatt> do you need to see a summary of each email as it comes in, or just the number of unread emails?
[15:51] <bigcalm> gnome-gmail-notifier seems to support multiple accounts. Wonder if it works
[15:52] <xnox> popey: is that the right bug number?
[15:52] <popey> yes, it's currently private
[15:52] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: a new message count against each configured account would be a good start
[15:52] <popey> subscribed you to it
[15:53] <SuperMatt> multiple accounts! /o\
[15:53] <Myrtti> does gnome-gmail-notifier actually work nowadays?
[15:53] <Myrtti> gm-notify doesn't because API was changed.
[15:53] <SuperMatt> there is one issue... storing passwords... surely that'd be done in plaintext?
[15:54] <SuperMatt> no, there has to be a better way
[15:54] <popey> uhm
[15:54] <popey> we have online accounts
[15:54] <bigcalm> Myrtti: installed, trying to figure out how to get to it. I have a feeling it might be a gnome2 thingy only
[15:54] <popey> would make more sense to use that
[15:54] <SuperMatt> oh wait, I could store in the keyring
[15:55] <popey> system settings -> online accounts, add a gmail account and then query that from python?
[15:57] <SuperMatt> oh yeah
[15:57] <SuperMatt> thanks popey
[15:58] <SuperMatt> though it wouldn't help with my server, but at least I could grab details from multiple sources
[15:58] <SuperMatt> so check online accounts for gmail, or store password in the keyring for other imap accounts
[15:59] <SuperMatt> unless you guys wanna chuck personal mail servers into online accounts ;)
[15:59] <SuperMatt> or is it down to me to write that?
[15:59] <popey> well..
[15:59] <Myrtti> well then again I'm on Debian nowadays so the problems of the online accounts and webmail webapps and unity extensions are mainly academic interest issues for me.
[15:59] <popey> Myrtti: debian has online accounts too
[15:59] <popey> via gnome
[15:59] <SuperMatt> I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to add "generic imap account" and "generic pop3 account"
[16:00] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, but since I don't like Gnome Shell, I'm not using Gnome.
[16:00] <popey> SuperMatt: yeah, that would be interesting - speak to mardy or kenvandine in #ubuntu-desktop perhaps? see what the roadmap is
[16:00] <Myrtti> instead I tweaked XFCE4 to look a bit like Unity.
[16:00] <popey> yeah, i saw, looks neat
[16:00] <popey> I have my mac setup like that too
[16:00] <popey> dock on the left
[16:01] <SuperMatt> popey: will do, thanks
[16:01] <mgdm> I've had the dock on the right for so long that Unity takes a bit of getting used to
[16:02] <bigcalm> mgdm: can't it be moved to the right?
[16:02] <mgdm> Not in Unity, no
[16:02] <mgdm> left or GTFO :)
[16:02] <bigcalm> Goodness
[16:19] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: keep prodding me about this project btw. I might be able to have something simple up and running in a few weeks. It certainly wouldn't be perfect, and may have security issues, but you can be my first alpha tester ;)
[16:24] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: sure, glad you're interested in tackling the problem :)
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> he's solving The Problem®?
[16:29] <SuperMatt> my mind went to some very bad jokes just now
[16:30] <SuperMatt> thank Darwin it's home time
[16:30] <SuperMatt> cheerio!
[16:41] <popey> bigcalm: my virgin connection is odd today
[16:42] <popey> wonder if my cm needs a reboot
[16:42] <popey> connections keep pausing for 10 seconds at a time
[16:43] <bigcalm> popey: not had that, what I've had is outages of 30+ mins with the superhub showing no connection
[16:43] <bigcalm> popey: power cycling on the cards? :)
[16:43] <popey> I imagine so
[16:43] <popey> maybe lateron
[16:43] <popey> wifey is out tonight so hacking fun
[16:44] <davmor2> popey: I had that yesterday evening but then it went away and has been fine since
[16:45] <davmor2> popey: I rebooted my router and the super hub
[17:36]  * bigcalm lumbers off Wolverhampton
[17:36]  * MartijnVdS watches bigcalm fall
[17:36] <bigcalm> +towards
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> no Wilhelm scream>
[17:37] <bigcalm> :D
[17:37] <bigcalm> Hayley and I make a point of listening out for that scream in each film we watch
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> *aaaugh*
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Once you've heard it, you can't un-hear it :) It's even in some games now
[17:38] <bigcalm> Nice
[17:39] <bigcalm> Right, off I pop
[17:39] <bigcalm> Toodles
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> \o
[17:55] <TrevorH1> I'm trying to upgrade an 8.04 LTS server to 10.04 LTS and I boot the new kernel and it hangs either just after the "XFS mounting filesystem xvda2" if the filesystem is clean or after the "Ending XFS recovery on filesystem xvda2 (logdev: internal)". I can however boot the old 8.04 kernel which seems odd since the release notes say it'll hang!
[17:57] <TrevorH1> this is a VM running under xen on Centos 5.9 and it's a clone of the one I'll actually be upgrading for real
[17:57] <TrevorH1> be grateful for any ideas about what might be the cause, it seems to have finished mounting the root f/s xvda2
[17:58] <popey> has the filesystem name changed in the new kernel/
[17:58] <popey> ?
[17:58] <popey> I had that
[17:58] <popey> i.e. no longer xvda but sda or similar
[17:58] <TrevorH1> you mean the label?
[17:58] <popey> sorry, no device name
[17:59] <popey> also, what kernel are you using/
[17:59] <popey> bah, stupid ? key
[17:59] <TrevorH1> 2.6.32-46-generic is what the upgrade process installed
[18:00] <popey> should be okay
[18:00]  * popey goes to put kids to bed... back later
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:03] <mungbean> want to rotate a screen using xrandr but it literally rotates and doesn't fill the view properly - any ideas?
[19:04] <popey> what is the output of just running xrandr before and after rotating?
[19:04] <mungbean> i was doing xrandr -o left
[19:04] <mungbean> i'll try it popey
[19:05] <mungbean> doesn't fix it
[19:07] <TrevorH1> I reckon my 10.04 hang is in the initramfs code, perhaps because the new kernel seems to be including virtio* modules that the old one did not
[19:07] <popey> i didnt say it would
[19:07] <popey> I was asking to see the output
[19:08] <penguin42> TrevorH1: Are you using a virtual machine?
[19:08] <popey> TrevorH1: there is a virt specific kernel
[19:08] <popey> well, there was
[19:09] <mungbean> actually i think it works popey, just the wine kindle app doesnt work with t
[19:13] <mungbean> my eee pc getting new lease of life
[19:14] <mungbean> except i need to find the cpu scaling thing again...feels sluggish
[19:14] <popey> eee 900?
[19:15] <mungbean> 701
[19:15] <mungbean> (last time i do early adoption)
[19:17] <mungbean> running lubuntu 12.10
[19:18] <mungbean> its become my sofa arm companion during paternity leave
[19:22]  * penguin42 would think you'd want something ARM powered for that
[19:22] <mungbean> bahdum chish
[19:24] <mungbean> i tried chromium OS on this thing actually, bu failed
[19:26] <mungbean> congrats you are "Established middle class"
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: If he'd used something ARM-powered he wouldn't need paternity leave, now would he
[19:27] <TrevorH1> popey: penguin42: yes, this is a xen VM
[19:28] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: haha
[19:30]  * penguin42 doesn't know Xen foo
[19:31] <TrevorH1> I've checked the 8.04 initrd and it doesn't appear to have any virtualised drivers
[19:31] <penguin42> 8.04 is OLD
[19:31] <penguin42> 10.04 is only Old
[19:32] <TrevorH1> yes, 1 month left until EOL hence the attempt to migrate :)
[19:32] <penguin42> TrevorH1: Will it boot into the fallback/debug (can't remember the exact name) in grub ?
[19:32] <TrevorH1> my predecessor's predecessor was an ubuntu fan and this is the last most difficult system left
[19:33] <penguin42> TrevorH1: So you've gone up from 8.04 to 10.04 and it currently won't boot?
[19:34] <TrevorH1> yes, I've followed the wiki page on dist-upgrade and there's a warning in there saying "make sure you boot with the new kernel or it'll hang" but I have the opposite, it'll still boot with the 8.04 kernel but the 10.04 one stops just after saying it's mounting the root fs, no panic, no error, just stop
[19:35] <penguin42> ok, try the recovery/debug option in the boot it might give you some more info
[19:35] <penguin42> TrevorH1: Ideally I'd try and get upto 12.04 but it's right to try and get 10.04 to boot first
[19:36] <TrevorH1> 2 years more life is probably enough to get us off this one... 2TB of phone call recordings :(
[19:36] <TrevorH1> I wonder if it might be because the root fs is XFS
[19:36] <TrevorH1> though I'm really in poke'n'hope mode at the moment
[19:42] <penguin42> TrevorH1: Unlikely to be because it's XFS (although XFS doesn't like unclean shutdowns if you had any) as I say, try and get it up in the recovery boot and at least see if there is any diag
[19:43]  * penguin42 admits to not liking XFS, but that was only one bad experience....
[19:43] <penguin42> (a long time ago)
[19:44] <TrevorH1> yeah I have 60 or 70 other systems that are all CentOS on ext3/4, this one is the last ubuntu/xfs one left
[19:45] <TrevorH1> I share your dislike of xfs, well it has its place, I use it on a 4TB f/s that contains huge files
[20:04] <zleap> or in here if it wont work from im
[20:04] <zleap> or pm what ever they are called
[20:04] <zleap> private message
[20:07] <zleap> hmm
[20:09] <mungbean> watching a war programme that was made in canada and redubbed in englissh. shame that we have to watch non britih versions of this stuff
[20:09] <TrevorH1> bingo, not hung at all, just no console! old kernel used console=xvc0, new one wants console=hvc0
[20:09] <zleap> wb tombrough
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> TrevorH1: because change is good!
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> wait..
[20:11] <penguin42> TrevorH1: Now, do you feel lucky enough to go to 12.04 ?
[20:12] <zleap> tombrough, try identifying anyway
[20:12] <TrevorH1> I have yet to test all the applications that are meant to run on this machine!
[20:12] <TrevorH1> I suspect half of them are already going to complain about glibc versions etc
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> They're that fragile?
[20:14] <TrevorH1> I've got no idea yet, I'll let you know when they don't work :)
[20:14] <TrevorH1> does upstart work with old-style initscripts in some sort of compatibility mode f.e?
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Upstart starts old-style initscripts properlyt
[20:22] <Klettbar> what is tamiya tape
[20:24] <ali1234> tape for making models i guess
[20:24] <mungbean> masking tape
[20:24] <mungbean> why u asK?#
[20:24] <mungbean> its the best one,
[20:27] <redtape> ali1234: I'm just watching Jono .. [ http://youtu.be/Jnh7kW_XMY0?t=11m23s ] It seems there is more about what's 'Not' in 13.04 than Is .. No Wubi, No Smart-scopes, No In-dash payment system. Wow I feel sorry for those under Mark getting a thick ear this month.
[20:27] <ali1234> why u tell me this?
[20:28] <ali1234> wubi is good riddance
[20:28] <ali1234> it never worked right and just killed people's machines
[20:28] <redtape> Oh, I forgot , you are not interested in chit-chat, sorry, my mistake.
[20:28] <Klettbar> what means "to get a thick ear"?
[20:28] <ali1234> if someone wants to try ubuntu without repartitioning they should just use virtualbox
[20:29] <redtape> troo.
[20:29] <AlanBell> wubi isn't well tested as nobody has got windows to test it on
[20:29] <redtape>  or re-engineer Wubi .... (?)
[20:29] <zleap> lolk
[20:29] <zleap> lol / has windows but can't install linux without wubi
[20:30] <redtape> I think Wubi is MIT, anyway .. it's American company if I recall .. maybe not
[20:30] <ali1234> yeah basically the problem with wubi is it is designed for noobs and only noobs use it. so when it breaks, nobody knows how to fix it.
[20:30]  * zleap erm  has windows but can install linux without wubi
[20:30] <zleap> i remember installing slackware to a fat 32 system years ago
[20:30] <zleap> back in about 95
[20:31] <ali1234> it's a great example of why expanding the userbase at the cost of driving away anyone with knowledge and experience is a really bad idea
[20:31] <redtape> I tried Anti-X on my old Win95 computer recently . Works well.
[20:32] <redtape> ali1234: Yeah, Ive gotta sort that out..
[20:33] <redtape> leaves.
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> what was the FAT hack to get unixy permissions again?
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> I used it back in the 90s
[20:35] <mgdm> ummm
[20:35] <mgdm> I know the one you mean
[20:35] <ali1234> does anyone know some software that can emulate a USB CD writer in hardware?
[20:35] <mgdm> muLinux used it
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: umsdos?
[20:35] <mgdm> that's the one
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT_filesystem_and_Linux#Installing_Linux_on_and_booting_it_from_FAT_volumes_using_umsdos
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> http://linux.voyager.hr/umsdos/
[21:14] <czajkowski> popey: http://s556.photobucket.com/user/theresanjesse/media/hairlesspug.jpg.html
[21:15] <popey> ew
[21:20] <Myrtti> outdoors looking at the stars ♥
[21:20] <brobostigon> :)
[21:23] <Myrtti> that was fun
[21:58] <dogmatic69> Anyone able to say what /proc/ is?
[21:59] <dogmatic69> baobab has it listed as 140TB which is impossible as the drive is 63GB
[22:00] <shauno> it doesn't physically exist, so it shouldn't be used in disk measurements
[22:00] <shauno> it's just a bunch of kernel structures exposed as a filesystem
[22:21] <popey> saw this and thought of ikonia and directhex http://imgur.com/gallery/PdsRTKM