| knome | he's sleeping:) | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | me too -> | 00:06 |
| lderan | zzz | 00:07 |
| bluesabre | lazy people | 00:09 |
| bluesabre | wake up | 00:09 |
| bluesabre | knome, ochosi | 00:09 |
| bluesabre | :) | 00:09 |
| * lderan is defeated by the supybot this evening, tomorrow it shall fear my wrath | 00:11 | |
| dlumberg | anyone around? | 00:17 |
| skellat | dlumberg: What's up? | 00:24 |
| dlumberg | where are the screensaver settings in 13.04? | 00:26 |
| skellat | Hmm | 00:26 |
| dlumberg | they should be in settings manager... | 00:27 |
| dlumberg | that's where they've been since I started using x in 11.x... | 00:28 |
| skellat | Which screensaver package do you have installed? | 00:28 |
| dlumberg | whatever comes default with the 13.04 beta | 00:28 |
| dlumberg | clean install | 00:28 |
| skellat | Okay | 00:29 |
| dlumberg | hhrrrrmmm wait a second... | 00:29 |
| dlumberg | it's actually ubuntu studio | 00:29 |
| skellat | Okay | 00:30 |
| skellat | That'll be something I'm not running then | 00:30 |
| dlumberg | does it show up in xubuntu? | 00:30 |
| dlumberg | it's running, I know that... I usually go in and kill the daemon from settings manager | 00:30 |
| zequence | Ubuntu Studio is not perfectly in sync with Xubuntu on some of those things | 00:30 |
| skellat | I'll need to download an image to check. I'm waiting on the Beta 2 respins to finish by Thursday for release. | 00:30 |
| dlumberg | I just asked in #ubuntustudio if anyone else is missing it | 00:31 |
| dlumberg | I'll report back if anyone responds | 00:31 |
| dlumberg | my bad, I did a dpkg get-selections set-selections migrate when I came to 13.04 so I added gnome-screensaver f*d it up | 02:56 |
| ochosi | skellat: hmyah, was asleep already, i'm back now though | 09:09 |
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| knome | bluesabre, lazy people? it was 3am... | 18:12 |
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| Unit193 | knome: Could always gpg encrypt the message, but clearly couldn't send them to you, and while pleia2 is CC, she nomnom'd you. :P | 19:31 |
| knome | Unit193, hmm? | 20:53 |
| skellat | Unit193: Are you talking about handling election of the new Xubuntu Project Leader in the manner by which we handle elections within Ubuntu Ohio? | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | Would work. | 20:57 |
| knome | tell us, nothing is set in stone yet | 20:57 |
| skellat | knome: The basic gist is that since we assume within Ubuntu Ohio that everybody has signed the CoC as a precondition for election participation, you have to have a gpg key to do that. We have an election administrator receive ballots via encrypted e-mail that are authenticated against the person's declared key on Launchpad and the administrator publishes anonymized totals. | 20:59 |
| knome | mhm | 21:00 |
| skellat | A particular address and key are created to specifically send to so that things can be archived | 21:00 |
| knome | that sounds fair to me | 21:02 |
| skellat | It would be a matter of the administrator creating a new key just for the election, publishing *that* public key, and then everybody sending e-mails to the address attached to that public key | 21:02 |
| knome | the only thing that's suboptimal in this is that the whole voting goes through one person | 21:03 |
| skellat | They then publish the message archive and the keys so that anybody can review it later | 21:04 |
| skellat | That would be both the secret and public keys | 21:04 |
| skellat | Paul Tagliamonte set up the methodology for us in Ohio way back when | 21:05 |
| skellat | For the most part, it actually mirrors a wee bit how I administer civil elections when I'm wearing my Precinct Election Officer hat | 21:07 |
| knome | i see | 21:08 |
| skellat | The difference there is that the precinct team is bi-partisan with two Democrats and two Republicans administering the poll on election day but that's the only major difference | 21:09 |
| skellat | Also, this gives a completely traceable vote trail in case of disputes. When I actually do something like work during the presidential election we have no way of matching a ballot paper back to who marked it. We can only check off the electoral roll that you actually voted. | 21:13 |
| skellat | So, say lyz & I have the keys and serve as election administrators we could receive ballots individually, make our own totals, and then check to see if our numbers match. | 21:14 |
| knome | pleia2 said she's not around when we're voting | 21:17 |
| skellat | Well, that was a hypothetical | 21:18 |
| knome | sure. | 21:18 |
| knome | i'm not against it, but i feel like i'm disqualified to work much more on the voting | 21:18 |
| skellat | Understandable | 21:19 |
| knome | it has to be team-driven, and i can approve it if you set it up | 21:19 |
| skellat | Alrighty | 21:19 |
| skellat | Let me think about how to set it up easily and I'll ping you later | 21:19 |
| knome | sure. plese do on the channel or the mailing list. no need to do private messages :) | 21:19 |
| skellat | Okay | 21:21 |
| knome | another viable option is a LP bug. | 21:21 |
| skellat | How so? | 21:22 |
| knome | don't know against what, since you can't really file bugs against teams :P | 21:22 |
| knome | or blueprint. | 21:22 |
| knome | whatever you see fit, but please do it in public | 21:23 |
| skellat | Definitely | 21:23 |
| knome | thanks | 21:23 |
| skellat | First step on my end will be to generate a new key | 21:23 |
| skellat | I'll drop something on the mailing list later tonight probably | 21:23 |
| Noskcaj | if we need a gpg key to vote, or nominate. i give up | 21:24 |
| knome | Noskcaj, please tell me what the problem is? | 21:24 |
| knome | Noskcaj, do you think that's not fair for all nominees? | 21:24 |
| Noskcaj | knome, i've never been able to get a GPG key made, and i can't be the only one. | 21:25 |
| knome | skellat, regardless if we do the voting with keys or not, can you get Noskcaj set one up? | 21:26 |
| skellat | Noskcaj: What goes wrong when you try? That's one of the things I know I'd have to cover in any instructions I'd even try to put together. | 21:26 |
| Noskcaj | i have to go to school now, i'll try and get a key later | 21:26 |
| skellat | knome: Definitely. This is a relatively easy thing to walk through from the commandline. | 21:26 |
| knome | thanks | 21:26 |
| pleia2 | he needs one to sign the CoC anyway | 21:27 |
| skellat | Yep | 21:27 |
| skellat | We can clear that away two | 21:27 |
| knome | well, | 21:27 |
| skellat | s/two/too | 21:27 |
| pleia2 | and yeah, I'll be in mexico on my honeymoon :) | 21:27 |
| knome | nothing says he needs to to be a nominee, or to be a member of -users | 21:27 |
| knome | he only needs to do that if he gets elected and would become a member of the -team | 21:28 |
| pleia2 | I have a script that collects public email addresses from a launchpad team so then you can plug them in to condorcet | 21:28 |
| pleia2 | anyone who doesn't have a public address just emails the person who set it up to request to be added | 21:29 |
| pleia2 | fwiw | 21:29 |
| pleia2 | it's what we use for CC elections | 21:29 |
| knome | theoretically speaking, how do you verify that person is actually a member of the LP team? | 21:29 |
| pleia2 | we trust them | 21:30 |
| pleia2 | turns out ballot stuffing has, you know, never happened | 21:30 |
| skellat | pleia2: Is there a way to determine how many members of -users don't have the CoC signed? If so, we could take care of two things at once with the Ohio-style route. | 21:30 |
| knome | :) | 21:30 |
| knome | skellat, i would imagine most people in the team are not interested in voting | 21:30 |
| pleia2 | skellat: would have to look at launchpadlib api, I'm not sure if that's one of the criteria | 21:30 |
| skellat | Okay | 21:30 |
| pleia2 | I doubt most people have signed though, the nature of the team is "users" not contributors, and users are much less inclined | 21:31 |
| skellat | I'd otherwise be using signing the CoC as an example of using your new key in any directions written | 21:31 |
| knome | i agree with pleia2 that the -devel list is a good medium to send out voting information | 21:31 |
| knome | anybody who's interested in development and/or leaders should be following that list | 21:31 |
| knome | otoh, if that's not considered fair, we might as well do a LP poll. | 21:32 |
| skellat | Okay | 21:32 |
| skellat | Okay, how do we set up a LP poll? | 21:32 |
| knome | just create one. | 21:32 |
| knome | not sure if creating a poll automatically means everybody in the team is mailed | 21:33 |
| skellat | I don't know but I also am not empowered to create a poll for xubuntu-users on LP | 21:34 |
| knome | apparently polls can't start less than 12 hours after they are created | 21:37 |
| skellat | Hmm | 21:38 |
| Unit193 | skellat: I haven't read all the backlog yet, but that's not quite right. | 21:42 |
| skellat | Unit193: What did I miss? | 21:43 |
| Unit193 | (Or, that's not how it happened last time) Encryption was an option, but you'd just send it to the council email address, encrypted against the email of the council members. | 21:43 |
| skellat | Unit193: Last time I looked at the council's archive, only 2 or 3 votes didn't encrypt. All the rest did. | 21:44 |
| Unit193 | Last one, I was one and you may have been the other that encrypted. :P (We could be looking at different ones, though.) | 21:45 |
| skellat | Unit193: Yeah, and we've got the new one cropping up where we've got 2 out of 3 seats to fill on Ohio's council | 21:45 |
| skellat | And only one nominee | 21:46 |
| Unit193 | I said "not it" already. | 21:50 |
| skellat | Yeah | 21:51 |
| skellat | And I'm hearing the clarion call to haul myself to the kitchen | 21:55 |
| * skellat wanders off | 21:55 | |
| Unit193 | skellat: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-us-ohio-council@lists.launchpad.net/mail2.html | 21:58 |
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