[00:05] <knome> he's sleeping:)
[00:06] <knome> me too ->
[00:07] <lderan> zzz
[00:09] <bluesabre> lazy people
[00:09] <bluesabre> wake up
[00:09] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi
[00:09] <bluesabre> :)
[00:11]  * lderan is defeated by the supybot this evening, tomorrow it shall fear my wrath
[00:17] <dlumberg> anyone around?
[00:24] <skellat> dlumberg: What's up?
[00:26] <dlumberg> where are the screensaver settings in 13.04?
[00:26] <skellat> Hmm
[00:27] <dlumberg> they should be in settings manager...
[00:28] <dlumberg> that's where they've been since I started using x in 11.x...
[00:28] <skellat> Which screensaver package do you have installed?
[00:28] <dlumberg> whatever comes default with the 13.04 beta
[00:28] <dlumberg> clean install
[00:29] <skellat> Okay
[00:29] <dlumberg> hhrrrrmmm wait a second...
[00:29] <dlumberg> it's actually ubuntu studio
[00:30] <skellat> Okay
[00:30] <skellat> That'll be something I'm not running then
[00:30] <dlumberg> does it show up in xubuntu?
[00:30] <dlumberg> it's running, I know that... I usually go in and kill the daemon from settings manager
[00:30] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is not perfectly in sync with Xubuntu on some of those things
[00:30] <skellat> I'll need to download an image to check.  I'm waiting on the Beta 2 respins to finish by Thursday for release.
[00:31] <dlumberg> I just asked in #ubuntustudio if anyone else is missing it
[00:31] <dlumberg> I'll report back if anyone responds
[02:56] <dlumberg> my bad, I did a dpkg get-selections set-selections migrate when I came to 13.04 so I added gnome-screensaver f*d it up
[09:09] <ochosi> skellat: hmyah, was asleep already, i'm back now though
[18:12] <knome> bluesabre, lazy people? it was 3am...
[19:31] <Unit193> knome: Could always gpg encrypt the message, but clearly couldn't send them to you, and while pleia2 is CC, she nomnom'd you. :P
[20:53] <knome> Unit193, hmm?
[20:56] <skellat> Unit193: Are you talking about handling election of the new Xubuntu Project Leader in the manner by which we handle elections within Ubuntu Ohio?
[20:57] <Unit193> Would work.
[20:57] <knome> tell us, nothing is set in stone yet
[20:59] <skellat> knome: The basic gist is that since we assume within Ubuntu Ohio that everybody has signed the CoC as a precondition for election participation, you have to have a gpg key to do that.  We have an election administrator receive ballots via encrypted e-mail that are authenticated against the person's declared key on Launchpad and the administrator publishes anonymized totals.
[21:00] <knome> mhm
[21:00] <skellat> A particular address and key are created to specifically send to so that things can be archived
[21:02] <knome> that sounds fair to me
[21:02] <skellat> It would be a matter of the administrator creating a new key just for the election, publishing *that* public key, and then everybody sending e-mails to the address attached to that public key
[21:03] <knome> the only thing that's suboptimal in this is that the whole voting goes through one person
[21:04] <skellat> They then publish the message archive and the keys so that anybody can review it later
[21:04] <skellat> That would be both the secret and public keys
[21:05] <skellat> Paul Tagliamonte set up the methodology for us in Ohio way back when
[21:07] <skellat> For the most part, it actually mirrors a wee bit how I administer civil elections when I'm wearing my Precinct Election Officer hat
[21:08] <knome> i see
[21:09] <skellat> The difference there is that the precinct team is bi-partisan with two Democrats and two Republicans administering the poll on election day but that's the only major difference
[21:13] <skellat> Also, this gives a completely traceable vote trail in case of disputes.  When I actually do something like work during the presidential election we have no way of matching a ballot paper back to who marked it.  We can only check off the electoral roll that you actually voted.  
[21:14] <skellat> So, say lyz & I have the keys and serve as election administrators we could receive ballots individually, make our own totals, and then check to see if our numbers match.
[21:17] <knome> pleia2 said she's not around when we're voting
[21:18] <skellat> Well, that was a hypothetical
[21:18] <knome> sure.
[21:18] <knome> i'm not against it, but i feel like i'm disqualified to work much more on the voting
[21:19] <skellat> Understandable
[21:19] <knome> it has to be team-driven, and i can approve it if you set it up
[21:19] <skellat> Alrighty
[21:19] <skellat> Let me think about how to set it up easily and I'll ping you later
[21:19] <knome> sure. plese do on the channel or the mailing list. no need to do private messages :)
[21:21] <skellat> Okay
[21:21] <knome> another viable option is a LP bug.
[21:22] <skellat> How so?
[21:22] <knome> don't know against what, since you can't really file bugs against teams :P
[21:22] <knome> or blueprint.
[21:23] <knome> whatever you see fit, but please do it in public
[21:23] <skellat> Definitely
[21:23] <knome> thanks
[21:23] <skellat> First step on my end will be to generate a new key
[21:23] <skellat> I'll drop something on the mailing list later tonight probably
[21:24] <Noskcaj> if we need a gpg key to vote, or nominate. i give up
[21:24] <knome> Noskcaj, please tell me what the problem is?
[21:24] <knome> Noskcaj, do you think that's not fair for all nominees?
[21:25] <Noskcaj> knome, i've never been able to get a GPG key made, and i can't be the only one. 
[21:26] <knome> skellat, regardless if we do the voting with keys or not, can you get Noskcaj set one up?
[21:26] <skellat> Noskcaj: What goes wrong when you try?  That's one of the things I know I'd have to cover in any instructions I'd even try to put together.
[21:26] <Noskcaj> i have to go to school now, i'll try and get a key later
[21:26] <skellat> knome: Definitely.  This is a relatively easy thing to walk through from the commandline.
[21:26] <knome> thanks
[21:27] <pleia2> he needs one to sign the CoC anyway
[21:27] <skellat> Yep
[21:27] <skellat> We can clear that away two
[21:27] <knome> well,
[21:27] <skellat> s/two/too
[21:27] <pleia2> and yeah, I'll be in mexico on my honeymoon :)
[21:27] <knome> nothing says he needs to to be a nominee, or to be a member of -users
[21:28] <knome> he only needs to do that if he gets elected and would become a member of the -team
[21:28] <pleia2> I have a script that collects public email addresses from a launchpad team so then you can plug them in to condorcet
[21:29] <pleia2> anyone who doesn't have a public address just emails the person who set it up to request to be added
[21:29] <pleia2> fwiw
[21:29] <pleia2> it's what we use for CC elections
[21:29] <knome> theoretically speaking, how do you verify that person is actually a member of the LP team?
[21:30] <pleia2> we trust them
[21:30] <pleia2> turns out ballot stuffing has, you know, never happened
[21:30] <skellat> pleia2: Is there a way to determine how many members of -users don't have the CoC signed?  If so, we could take care of two things at once with the Ohio-style route.
[21:30] <knome> :)
[21:30] <knome> skellat, i would imagine most people in the team are not interested in voting
[21:30] <pleia2> skellat: would have to look at launchpadlib api, I'm not sure if that's one of the criteria
[21:30] <skellat> Okay
[21:31] <pleia2> I doubt most people have signed though, the nature of the team is "users" not contributors, and users are much less inclined
[21:31] <skellat> I'd otherwise be using signing the CoC as an example of using your new key in any directions written
[21:31] <knome> i agree with pleia2 that the -devel list is a good medium to send out voting information
[21:31] <knome> anybody who's interested in development and/or leaders should be following that list
[21:32] <knome> otoh, if that's not considered fair, we might as well do a LP poll.
[21:32] <skellat> Okay
[21:32] <skellat> Okay, how do we set up a LP poll?
[21:32] <knome> just create one.
[21:33] <knome> not sure if creating a poll automatically means everybody in the team is mailed
[21:34] <skellat> I don't know but I also am not empowered to create a poll for xubuntu-users on LP
[21:37] <knome> apparently polls can't start less than 12 hours after they are created
[21:38] <skellat> Hmm
[21:42] <Unit193> skellat: I haven't read all the backlog yet, but that's not quite right.
[21:43] <skellat> Unit193: What did I miss?
[21:43] <Unit193> (Or, that's not how it happened last time)  Encryption was an option, but you'd just send it to the council email address, encrypted against the email of the council members.
[21:44] <skellat> Unit193: Last time I looked at the council's archive, only 2 or 3 votes didn't encrypt.  All the rest did.
[21:45] <Unit193> Last one, I was one and you may have been the other that encrypted. :P  (We could be looking at different ones, though.)
[21:45] <skellat> Unit193: Yeah, and we've got the new one cropping up where we've got 2 out of 3 seats to fill on Ohio's council
[21:46] <skellat> And only one nominee
[21:50] <Unit193> I said "not it" already.
[21:51] <skellat> Yeah
[21:55] <skellat> And I'm hearing the clarion call to haul myself to the kitchen
[21:55]  * skellat wanders off
[21:58] <Unit193> skellat: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-us-ohio-council@lists.launchpad.net/mail2.html