[01:35]  * Riddell fails kubuntu active image
[01:38] <Riddell> and the arm image doesn't work :(
[01:40] <Riddell> bug 1164239
[01:40]  * Riddell sleeps
[02:22] <ScottK> Lubuntu had trouble with their ac100 image. Dunno if it's related.
[10:05] <smartboyhw> Hello!!!!
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so the arm + active aren't going in?
[10:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no I guess not :(
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, erm:(
[10:08] <Riddell> arm doesn't load up ubiquity at all and active crashes
[10:08] <smartboyhw> :(
[10:13] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[10:15] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah:(
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, is nootka fixed?
[10:21] <smartboyhw> I mean for powerpc
[10:24] <Riddell> dunno I've not looked at it
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ....
[10:25] <smartboyhw> Might be good to fix it today
[10:25] <Riddell> how's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/Beta2/Kubuntu
[10:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, looking:P
[10:26] <Riddell> http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.2_quantal.html too needs fixed
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, +1
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah a hell lot of errors
[10:27] <smartboyhw> I'm restarting cantor build because I can't find log
[10:27] <smartboyhw> And i386 builds good
[10:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah looks fine
[10:29] <smartboyhw> I am restarting kalgebra Quantal amd64
[10:29] <smartboyhw> The dependencies should be Ok now
[10:31] <smartboyhw> khangman restart
[10:32] <smartboyhw> Basically after restarting everything should be good for Quantal
[10:33] <Riddell> I wonder why pykde didn't get uploaded
[10:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good question hmm
[10:40] <Riddell> uploaded, hopefully that'll tell us if the compile failure in raring is an issue in pykde or in qt
[10:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[10:42]  * Riddell turns attention to http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.2_precise.html
[10:43] <Riddell> hmm, more issues there
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eee:(
[10:49]  * shadeslayer looks
[10:49] <shadeslayer> how is it that kalzium is waiting on boost 0.o
[10:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I think boost is being rebuilt
[10:50] <Quintasan> but you might want to check that
[10:50] <Riddell> cos there's no libboost-python1.49-dev in precise?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes, but shouldn't the backport script have taken care of that
[10:51] <Riddell> nothing in the backports script about it
[10:51] <Riddell> oh there is
[10:52] <Riddell> the precise one gets applied to all and should handle it
[10:52] <smartboyhw> Script fail?
[10:52] <Riddell> hum
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you guys got good to go builds, we don't:(
[10:53] <smartboyhw> we = Ubuntu Studio
[10:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how about upgrade testcases?
[11:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: mm I've not done that one
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[11:08] <smartboyhw> !testers | please help test the upgrades and report the results in the ISO QA Tracker
[11:08] <smartboyhw> :P
[11:13] <soee> yofel, i tested 4.10.2 on may laptop yesterday, all was fine
[11:13] <Riddell> soee: great thanks
[11:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer, smartboyhw: oh I see what I did wrong with the backport script to not get the hooks applied
[11:14] <soee> Riddell, should i test some ISO on VM ?
[11:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[11:14] <smartboyhw> soee, no need
[11:14] <soee> ok
[11:14] <smartboyhw> The builds are pretty much ready
[11:14] <smartboyhw> Except the arm + active
[11:14] <Riddell> soee: yes that would be very good if you could
[11:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: there's a need, I don't trust myself as the only tester
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm?
[11:15] <shadeslayer> you can probably re upload you know :P
[11:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I will
[11:15] <shadeslayer> 12.04.3 or whatever :D
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what went wrong?
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh OK
[11:15] <smartboyhw> I am testing the Studio ones myself here though
[11:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: calling the script with the wrong argument
[11:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:16] <soee> Riddell, where can i find download links ?
[11:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: then you're very trusting on yourself :)
[11:17] <Riddell> soee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20130403/
[11:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I have another tester this time
[11:17] <smartboyhw> And we have our project lead
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I need to remind you that Ubuntu Studio is ALWAYS not enough of testers
[11:22] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: We don't have enough testers here as well
[11:22] <Quintasan> :P
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, we are much short of it
[11:23] <Quintasan> yofel: u[pgrade qa borked
[11:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I installed Beta 2 on my PC yesterday, I'll use that as a reference
[11:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: ping
[11:29] <Quintasan> ehh
[11:29]  * Quintasan looks at the plasma active
[11:30] <Quintasan> wait
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, oh?
[11:32]  * Quintasan wonders where the hell are i386 images for active
[11:33] <Quintasan> nvm
[11:33] <Quintasan> got it
[11:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: tell me it's not just me it crashes for
[11:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll try
[11:34] <Quintasan> I will look into it if it actually does crash here
[11:34] <Quintasan> will try in vbox and then liveusb
[11:38] <soee> the latest muon release is marked as stable ?
[11:38] <Quintasan> soee: ... we usually provide stable versions of package managers
[11:39] <Quintasan> soee: are you on raring?
[11:39] <soee> Quintasan, yes
[11:39] <Quintasan> !info muon raring
[11:40] <Quintasan> soee: looks like 2.0 is in raring, that should be stable unless JontheEchidna says otherwise
[11:40] <soee> Quintasan, ok thank you
[11:43] <Tm_T> I successfully upgraded packages from ninjas-ppa on quantal
[11:43] <Tm_T> no conflicts or other issues
[11:44] <Tm_T> will reboot the machine in few moments to see how the full stack works now
[11:44] <Tm_T> anything particular I should keep an eye on?
[11:49] <Quintasan> Tm_T: Just do what you usually do
[11:49] <Quintasan> It's better imo than doing things on purpose
[11:50] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[11:50] <Tm_T> although what I usually do is basicly launch terminals, browsers, and then sit on those two weeks
[11:51] <Tm_T> oh, Kontact ofcourse too
[11:51] <Quintasan> Tm_T: You might want to test Muon :P
[11:51] <Quintasan> oh, that actually will do a lot of testing
[11:51] <Tm_T> Quintasan: is Muon like Wajig but with GUI? (;
[11:51]  * Tm_T hides
[11:51] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Kill him ^
[11:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, Plasma Workspace died two times here and suddenly started
[12:03]  * Quintasan does liveusb
[12:05] <smartboyhw> What happened!?
[12:05] <yofel> Riddell: you do not backport pykde
[12:05] <yofel> Riddell: too many python3.3 specific changes in raring
[12:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: pong?
[12:06] <yofel> Quintasan: which upgrade qa?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: does auto-upgrade-tester + lxc work ? and more importantly, does it work on the buyvm storage server?
[12:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: works more or less, but with 256M of memory it looks bad
[12:08] <yofel> mostly because during the one test I did on the storage server it launched lightdm, which used ~100M of memory for some reason
[12:08] <yofel> didn't have time to debug it
[12:11] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: define looks bad?
[12:11] <shadeslayer> does it not complete?
[12:12] <Quintasan> yofel: webpage
[12:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: Moderately bad news
[12:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: LiveUSB works on my laptop
[12:12] <Quintasan> It boots up just fine, no crashes
[12:12] <Quintasan> but I can't test it since I don't have a touch screen and dunno how to enable mouse there :X
[12:13] <Quintasan> In vbox it does crash but the workspace dies
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, hmm Riddell has some strange board then
[12:14] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: How about you test it before assuming something?
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, no. Still testing Ubuntu Studio (installing to get the post-installation things done, and I still need to get on with the upgrades)
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio is my 1st priority
[12:15] <smartboyhw> Followed by Kubuntu of course;)
[12:15] <Quintasan> Then I'd appreciate if you didn't jump to conslusion that early
[12:15] <Quintasan> It might be my board that's strange because it works here whereas it should not
[12:15] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, that is a pre-conclusion:P
[12:16] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:16] <Quintasan> Don't assume stuff without evidence then
[12:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: right, fails at some point
[12:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: We need more testing for Active
[12:16] <yofel> Quintasan: that points to shadeslayer's server
[12:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: fix qa webpage as well
[12:16] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[12:16] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:16] <shadeslayer> I'll renable ec2 stuff then
[12:16] <yofel> and that's broken till we have  a successful upgrade path
[12:17] <yofel> yeah, best do that, at least until raring is ou
[12:17] <yofel> *out
[12:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: 
[12:18] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-keyring_3.6.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):^M
[12:18] <yofel>  unable to make backup link of `./usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon' before installing new version: Cannot allocate memory^M
[12:19] <yofel> lets try again
[12:19] <yofel> *sigh*
[12:19] <yofel> 15124 root      20   0  104m 102m 5788 S   0.0 42.7   0:00.09 lightdm                                                                                                                          
[12:20] <Riddell> yofel: ah hah
[12:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: it crashes but then works?
[12:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: In VBox it crashed twice and the started up
[12:20] <ovidiu-florin> when will the next kernel update planned fot precise?
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, and the *what* started up?
[12:21] <ovidiu-florin> for*
[12:21] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, ask in #ubuntu-kernel please:)
[12:21] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[12:21] <ovidiu-florin> thank you 
[12:21] <smartboyhw> We aren't the ones maintaining the -generic kernel
[12:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: using LiveUSB it started with no problems but I could not do anything because I couldn't get a cursor :P
[12:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah the cursor now doesn't show which is a bit annoying
[12:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Quintasan +1
[12:23] <Quintasan> mmkay
[12:23] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you should propose to the Kubuntu Council of buying a Intel Atom powered tablet:P
[12:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: so something starts lightdm which takes a batshit amount of resident memory?
[12:24] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: intel tablets are crap
[12:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, it boots a normally installed system (with lightdm) and runs upgrade, so that kinda makes sense
[12:24] <yofel> set lightdm to manual now
[12:24] <shadeslayer> aha
[12:24] <shadeslayer> manual?
[12:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, well at least we can actually test...
[12:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: echo manual > /etc/init/lightdm.override
[12:25] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: We can buy tablets but you need a person which would work on that most of the time where it's not viable at this moment
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Just a suggestion:P
[12:26] <Quintasan> we still need to get packaging sorted out to make sure it complies with standards and what upstream wants
[12:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: or well ... just write a script that watches for the lightdm process and does stops it in the lxc?
[12:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: why stop it when I can trivially prevent it from starting...
[12:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:27]  * shadeslayer rages at KWallet
[12:27] <Riddell> 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2 uploaded to ninjas
[12:28] <Quintasan> urgh
[12:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How is ktp 0.6?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: waiting for desktop-applets to finish building https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring
[12:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Is that the last thing?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> indeed
[12:29] <Quintasan> wait
[12:29] <Quintasan> why are you building it there?
[12:29] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa/+packages
[12:29] <shadeslayer> that's for raring
[12:30] <shadeslayer> and the telepathy-kde ppa's are for final release
[12:30] <Quintasan> Put everydamn stable release there
[12:30] <Quintasan> 0.6 is stable derp
[12:30] <Quintasan> stable == not daily in case of ktp
[12:30] <Quintasan> :P
[12:30] <shadeslayer> you want me to upload without QA? :D
[12:31] <Tm_T> Virtuoso is eating all CPU here
[12:31] <yofel> it does that from time to time
[12:31] <shadeslayer> likewise
[12:31] <yofel> should be nice'd
[12:31] <Tm_T> yofel: the problem is, it haven't done it this way for years
[12:32] <Tm_T> yes I know it eats some cpu in time to time, but this much this long hasn't been normal for some time anymore
[12:32] <yofel> hm, maybe vHanda might know what it would be doing
[12:32] <Tm_T> I have forgotten how to debug this as it has been working so nicely (:
[12:33] <Tm_T> other than that, all seems to work just fine here
[12:33] <soee> yofel, remide ne one more time the author of homerun pls ?
[12:33] <shadeslayer> agateau: 
[12:33] <agateau> soee: that would be me
[12:34] <Quintasan> agateau has arrived!
[12:34] <soee> agateau, is it possible to to add context menu to trash icon that contain "Empty trash" action?
[12:34] <soee> atm trash icon is located in favourite places
[12:34] <agateau> soee: should be doable yes
[12:34] <agateau> soee: file a bug on bugs.kde.org so that I do not forget it
[12:34] <soee> agateau, ok thank you
[12:36] <Quintasan>  krdc 	 4:4.8.55-0ubuntu1~ppa4
[12:36] <Quintasan>  krfb 	 4:4.8.55-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[12:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^ we need those in PPA?
[12:36] <shadeslayer> nah
[12:36] <shadeslayer> nuke em
[12:37] <Quintasan> PURGING WITH FIRE
[12:37] <soee> agateau, what component should i set ?
[12:37] <agateau> soee: "sources"
[12:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer:  >0.5.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~precise1~ppa1
[12:38] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:38] <Quintasan> you wat m8?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> hm?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> what's that?
[12:38] <agateau> we put some ppa in your ppa so you can ppa while you ppa
[12:38] <Quintasan> agateau++
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer:  ktp-send-file 	 0.5.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~precise1~ppa1
[12:39] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:39] <shadeslayer> the name
[12:39] <Quintasan> I'd purge the whole repo actually shadeslayer
[12:39] <shadeslayer> why
[12:39] <Quintasan> we need to get things there straight
[12:39] <shadeslayer> the reason it's probably like that is because I ran the backportpackage script on the PPA packages
[12:39] <Quintasan> why do we have logger 0.5.2 for 12.04 and 0.5.3 for 12.10?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> no big deal, we can fix with the 0.6 upload
[12:39] <Quintasan> I'm killing it with fire
[12:39] <Quintasan> all of it
[12:39] <shadeslayer> eh
[12:39] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:40] <shadeslayer> well
[12:40] <shadeslayer> don't delete the glib packages
[12:40] <Quintasan> mmkay
[12:40] <shadeslayer> just only delete the ktp packages plz
[12:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: can I kill qt-gstreamer as well?
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, stay calm:)
[12:41] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:41] <shadeslayer> it's required
[12:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: qt-gstreamer and telepathty-glib are left
[12:42] <shadeslayer> cool
[12:42] <Quintasan> the rest was nuked
[12:42] <Quintasan> Now, we can't upload 0.6 to raring, can we?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> sure we can
[12:43] <shadeslayer> !info kde-telepathy-contact-list
[12:43] <shadeslayer> !info kde-telepathy-contact-list raring
[12:43] <Quintasan> How exactly do you think we can do it?
[12:43] <soee> agateau, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317825
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we got a FFe for it?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> and 0.6 will be a bug fix only upload?
[12:43] <Quintasan> nope.avi
[12:43] <Quintasan> we already got ffe?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:43] <Quintasan> wow
[12:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer actually gets things done
[12:44] <Quintasan> :P
[12:44] <shadeslayer> because I'm awesome :P
[12:44] <Quintasan> Will you upload that or you want me to do that?
[12:44] <shadeslayer> I'll upload it later tonight
[12:44] <shadeslayer> actually
[12:44] <Quintasan> I'll do the backporting then
[12:45] <shadeslayer> will probably upload tomorrow
[12:45] <shadeslayer> desktop-applets will build in 8 hours :(
[12:45] <Quintasan> Why?
[12:45] <Quintasan> ffs
[12:45] <Quintasan> postponed till tomorrow then
[12:46] <Tm_T> Virtuoso is still eating the cpu
[12:47] <Tm_T> ok, have to go home, will do something about that when I can
[12:48] <Tm_T> uff crap
[12:48] <Tm_T> "display settings" is only gamma settings now
[12:48] <Tm_T> there's no way configuring monitor setup anymore?
[12:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: go skip build queue if you need it. Ninjas will eat up build time too, so if you keep it low you'll have it built in 14h or so
[12:52] <yofel> Tm_T: kscreen didn't get installed for you?
[12:53] <Tm_T> no it didn't, new package that isn't dependency?
[12:53] <yofel> it's recommended by kubuntu-desktop
[12:53] <Tm_T> ...recommended but not dependency?
[12:54] <Tm_T> yofel: how does that work?
[12:54] <yofel> you should be able to remove it and replace it with kde-workspace-randr
[12:54] <yofel> so not a hard dependency
[12:54] <Tm_T> I see
[12:55] <yofel> it *should* be installed on upgrades though
[12:55] <Tm_T> it wasn't, neither kde-workspace-randr
[12:55] <Tm_T> so dependency that has OR with those two?
[12:55] <yofel> no idea how to do that with seeds
[12:55] <yofel> Riddell: ^ ?
[12:56] <yofel> Riddell: did you update the meta package for the backports yet btw.? (same issue)
[12:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: any ideas why running sudo python bin/auto-upgrade-tester -b UpgradeTestBackendEC2 share/profiles/kubuntu share/profiles/kubuntu-backports/ only tests the kubuntu profile?
[12:57] <shadeslayer> http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/
[12:57] <Riddell> yofel: nope, needs to depend on kde-workspace-randr ?
[12:57] <yofel> Riddell: yes
[12:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: because of ProfileName=kubuntu
[12:58] <shadeslayer> huh?
[12:58] <yofel> share/profiles/kubuntu-backports/DistUpgrade.cfg  -> ProfileName=kubuntu
[12:58] <yofel> should be kubuntu-backports
[12:58] <shadeslayer> oh lol
[12:59] <shadeslayer> needs fixing
[13:01] <shadeslayer> uhm
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you kill my instance?
[13:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh I killed everything, are you using it?
[13:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: stopped killing now
[13:05] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[13:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't think it worked
[13:09] <shadeslayer> unless it appends the output to the current html page
[13:12] <yofel> my test run is still running for now, which is good
[13:12] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:13] <Riddell> "About 3 hours 24 minutes remaining" maybe running an upgrade test on a netbook wasn't such a good idea
[13:16] <shadeslayer> upgrade also running on ec2
[13:16] <shadeslayer> so not to worry
[13:17]  * Riddell fires up kde-l10n
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw uploading ktp tonight won't matter
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we're in beta freeze
[13:19] <Quintasan> What is Freeze?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ?
[13:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: you can upload anyway
[13:20] <shadeslayer> true
[13:20] <shadeslayer> but it won't really matter :P
[13:21] <yofel> yeah ^^
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh that isn't really a great idea;P
[13:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: l10n isn't?
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the upgrade test:P
[13:23] <yofel> *headdesk*
[13:23] <Riddell> ah well down to 1 hour 9 minutes now :)
[13:24] <yofel> forgot to apply the grub-pc fix in LXC...
[13:24]  * yofel tries again
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[13:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: there's a fix for that?
[13:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: sure, copy script from raring into container before upgrade
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hah
[13:27] <yofel> brrrrr, you can only have one PostBootstrapScript
[13:28] <Riddell> yofel: what's grub-pc and LXC?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> yeah :|
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: instead of using EC2 to test upgrades we can use LXC ( Linux Containers )
[13:29] <shadeslayer> cost effective if you can find a powerful enough server
[13:30] <yofel> Riddell: LXC is kinda chroots being used as VM's, and we had an issue that zz-update-grub (kernel postinst hook) fails during upgrade becase it has no rootfs device in LXC (fixed in raring)
[13:39] <shadeslayer> 13.10? 0.o
[13:40] <Riddell> ah, similar to vserver we use on sladen's servers
[13:40] <smartboyhw> 0.o We don't even know the name for 13.10 yet
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sladen's server?
[13:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the ones I use for e-mail and whatnot, starsky.19inch.net
[13:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:43] <yofel> smartboyhw: launchpad has targets for 3 releases in the feature too (s-series, t-series, u-series)
[13:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, I know
[13:43] <smartboyhw> OK guys let us play a name-guessing game (LOL)
[13:43] <yofel> nah, we can do that in 2 weeks
[13:44] <smartboyhw> ...
[13:44] <yofel> an well, might as well do it now ^^
[13:45] <yofel> I'll go with skimpy skunk
[13:45] <genii-around> sexy swan
[13:45] <shadeslayer> sexy ScottK
[13:46]  * ScottK looks up.
[13:46] <Riddell> smartboy scallywag
[13:48] <smartboyhw> !?!?!?!?!?!
[13:48]  * smartboyhw tores Riddell apart
[13:48] <Riddell> 13.10: the saucy shadeslayer 
[13:48] <smartboyhw> scallyway shadeslayer :P
[13:48] <smartboyhw> soda soee :P
[13:49] <apachelogger_> Quintasan: on trello -> options-settings-last option
[13:49] <apachelogger_> also make more people admin :P
[13:49] <soee> what?
[13:49] <smartboyhw> soee, your IRC nick will be included in the next S release codename:P
[13:50]  * genii-around sips and ponders if sasquatch could be considered an animal name
[13:50] <soee> ah yes i know it already, they told me ill be the next release face
[13:50] <shadeslayer> superb shadeslayer
[13:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, boo;P
[13:51] <yofel> slothful shadeslayer
[13:51] <smartboyhw> smarter smartboyhw (using two actual IRC nicks here) 
[13:51] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:52]  * apachelogger_ has 300 bug notifications in his inbox -.-
[13:53] <smartboyhw> apachelogger_, uh oh. Mark them all as read:P
[13:53] <apachelogger_> no?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> ^
[13:53] <shadeslayer> that's what I'd do :D
[13:53] <Quintasan> wat
[13:53] <Quintasan> what is S codename
[13:53] <Quintasan> :P
[13:54] <yofel> as I said, slothful shadeslayer ^^
[13:54] <apachelogger_> bug 1163632
[13:54] <apachelogger_> :(
[13:55] <Quintasan> k
[13:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:56] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:56] <shadeslayer> Profile 'share/profiles/kubuntu' FAILED
[13:57] <apachelogger_> vHanda: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/110469044/ThreadStacktrace.txt
[13:57] <apachelogger_> bug 1026567
[13:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: keep a look at http://kyofel2.dyndns.org/upgrade/
[14:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: question, does BuyVM auto bill you?
[14:08] <shadeslayer> or do you have to authorize repeat payments ?
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: heh
[14:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: dunno, ask me again in 2 months
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you prepared anything for CC meeting?:P
[14:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: anyway, bought the storage KVM :D
[14:14] <shadeslayer> I'm going run owncloud on it ^_^
[14:18] <soee> how can i format flash drive ?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> sudo mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdX
[14:19] <shadeslayer> where X is something that maps to your flash drive
[14:25] <soee> shadeslayer, sudo: mkfs.vfat: command not found
[14:25] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:26] <shadeslayer> soee: do you have dosfstools
[14:26] <shadeslayer> wtf?
[14:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: ImportError: cannot import name MAXREPEAT
[14:27] <shadeslayer> have you seen that before>
[14:27] <soee> shadeslayer, my mistake .. i was trying this on my VPS o.O wrong terminal tab
[14:27] <soee> anyway: mkfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/sdb: Device or resource busy
[14:27] <shadeslayer> I suspect that's drom some weird EC2 stuff
[14:27] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:28] <shadeslayer> soee: you need to unmount it first
[14:28] <shadeslayer> soee: and you should probably add 1/2/something after sdb
[14:28] <soee> shadeslayer, but if i unmount it, it wont be seen ?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> it will be
[14:29] <shadeslayer> sudo eject /dev/sdb
[14:29] <shadeslayer> then run mkfs on the partition
[14:29] <soee> soee@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdb
[14:29] <soee> mkfs.vfat 3.0.14 (23 Jan 2023)
[14:29] <soee> /dev/sdb: No medium found
[14:30] <shadeslayer> did you physically remove the drive?
[14:30] <soee> no
[14:30] <shadeslayer> or well, just remove it and insert it again, but don't mount it
[14:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: not really
[14:30] <yofel> WARNING: /home/auto-upgrade-tester/auto-upgrade-testing/share/scripts/kubuntu_lxc_fixes not found
[14:30] <yofel> drat
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: I recommend testing using the fake backend first :P
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: any recommendations on what NIC/IDE I should use on my awesome VPS?
[14:34] <yofel> virtio (experimental)
[14:34] <yofel> works prefectly fine for me
[14:34] <shadeslayer> even the NIC?
[14:35] <yofel> that dosn't matter much, but according to the wiki the realtek one is limited to 100Mbit
[14:35] <yofel> or whatever the default is
[14:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: one issue I had during install was that IPv4 DHCP failed, so you need to add the public IP and some DNS by hand in d-i
[14:36] <shadeslayer> good thing you're here
[14:36] <shadeslayer> bah, I have to *install* the OS? :(
[14:37] <apachelogger_> vHanda: Nepomuk2::ServiceManager::runningServices why does that function use a non-const-iterator?
[14:37] <yofel> sure, KVM comes with *nothing*. d-i is fast
[14:37] <shadeslayer> so ... do I use VNC?
[14:37] <yofel> for the initial setup you'll have to use VNC, yeah
[14:37] <shadeslayer> no java :|
[14:38] <yofel> bwahaha
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ew
[14:39] <shadeslayer> pulls in libgnome2-bin
[14:40] <shadeslayer> ew ew ew
[14:42] <shadeslayer> muwhahaha
[14:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't need no java
[14:43] <shadeslayer> vncviewer ftw
[14:43] <shadeslayer> vncviewer ftw
[14:43] <shadeslayer> er
[14:44] <yofel> brrrrrrr
[14:47] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:48] <yofel> the PostBootstrapScript calling code in the LXC backend is junk
[14:50] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[14:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: d-i says I have 2 ethernet interfaces
[14:51] <yofel> yeah, take the first one
[14:51] <shadeslayer> k
[14:51] <yofel> I'm not sure what eth1 is for, maybe the internal one
[14:51] <shadeslayer> probably
[14:52] <shadeslayer> DHCP will fail right?
[14:52] <yofel> right
[14:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: netmask is whatever d-i fills in?
[14:56] <yofel> yeah
[14:56] <yofel> gateway is X.X.X.1
[14:56] <yofel> for DNS use anything (like 8.8.8.8)
[14:57] <yofel> after that it  should just work
[14:57] <shadeslayer> actually, frantech has it's own DNS 
[14:57] <shadeslayer> 209.141.41.194
[14:57]  * yofel gone for a bit, shopping for dinner
[14:57] <yofel> ah, good to know, didn't find that last time
[14:57] <shadeslayer> er
[14:57] <shadeslayer> 205.185.112.68
[15:00] <shadeslayer> I have the purple screen of death xD
[15:00] <yofel> @_@
[15:01] <yofel> ok, gone for real now, bbiab
[15:01] <shadeslayer> cya
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Wow Quantal KDE is clean now:)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> s/KDE/KDE SC 4.10.2 backporting status page/
[15:05] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Wow Quantal KDE SC 4.10.2 backporting status page is clean now:)"
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Someone move it to backports PPA:P
[15:06] <soee> this is strange
[15:06] <smartboyhw> soee, what is strange?
[15:07] <soee> i have 8 GB flash drive but if i try to copy file ~ 6BG it will copy exactly 4GB and stops with message cant write to ...
[15:07] <soee> but then i can opy other files there
[15:07] <soee> fat32 is limited to 4GB ?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> soee, weirdo
[15:08] <soee> it is fat32: /dev/sdb1            8064    15116735     7554336    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[15:09] <BluesKaj> fat32 is 4g max , yes
[15:09] <soee> ah and yes it is fat32 problem, it may have max 4gb file
[15:09] <soee> ok do you know if TV will handle usb stick with ntfs ?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> soee:  it should
[15:10] <soee> shadeslayer, can i format flash drive to ntfs using your magic commands ?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:10] <shadeslayer> mkfs.ntfs
[15:11] <apachelogger_> FWIW, vfat doesn't have the size limit and it is entirely possible that the TV in fact supports it too
[15:12] <apachelogger_> ntfs is the better choice in general though
[15:12] <apachelogger_> fat is made to loose data don't you know ;)
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think the Quantal KDE SC 4.10.2 can be pulled to Backports PPA..
[15:18] <soee> shadeslayer, for ntfs do i need any external packages ? now if i type mkfs.ntfs it tells me that comment not found
[15:19] <soee> also when using partitionmanager 
[15:20] <soee> there is no option to choose ntfs ?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ntfs-3g is your friend
[15:25] <soee> yes it is installed but partitionmanager do not support ntfs for me
[15:26] <soee> had to use gparted :<
[15:29] <BluesKaj> soee, yeah ntfs isn't available in partition manager , suggest you burn a gparted live cd and keep it around for partioning ...had one for yrs and it's very handy 
[15:31] <BluesKaj> dunno why there's no ntfs format option in partition manager , makes no sense
[15:31] <soee> true and app page stats it supports
[15:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you tested it?
[15:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no not prepared anything, what do you think we should bring up?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, get the testers to test:P
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and prepare what?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> !testers | please help test the 12.10 packages in ninjas PPA all built
[15:37] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for the CC meeting
[15:37] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, , not using 12.10 anymore 
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good question
[15:38] <smartboyhw> I will be attending it on mobile
[15:38] <smartboyhw> And because I want to ask how many Regional membership board nominations 'ave they received (LOL)
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, talk about how we are faring with Blue Systems and finding contributors?
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Dunno who actually put Kubuntu in there:P
[15:40] <Riddell> they did, they want meetings every 6 months or so which I think is a great idea
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Got cha sleep, secretly attend in mobile:P
[15:43] <smartboyhw> In mobile
[16:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: why would kde-runtime build-dep on qapt?
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: you added it when you made kubuntu_langpack_install.diff :P
[16:11] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh yes, so I did :)
[16:12] <apachelogger_> kde bug 291519
[16:12] <smartboyhw> That's a fixed.bug so?
[16:13] <apachelogger_> so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nepomuk-core/+bugs
[16:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Try to get as many Kubuntu Council members as you can for CC meeting
[16:14] <Riddell> Darkwing, apachelogger_, JontheEchidna, jussi, ScottK: meeting with community council in 45 mins in #ubuntu-meeting, what shall we talk about?
[16:15] <apachelogger_> not sure there is anything to talk about? :P
[16:15]  * smartboyhw will be attending as a Kubuntu member
[16:16] <Riddell> apachelogger_: all harmonious in the ubuntu community?
[16:16] <smartboyhw> apachelogger_ that is what I thought;)
[16:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell can't be
[16:16] <smartboyhw> Maybe the CC wants to talk about how the new release arrangement affects.Kubuntu?
[16:17] <apachelogger_> there is a history of shitty nepomuk exists
[16:18] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:19] <apachelogger_> nepomuk doesn't use strigi anymore does it?
[16:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I'd like to talk about why they're taking money claiming it's for "better support of kubuntu" and not putting it towards better support of kubuntu
[16:20] <smartboyhw> Good
[16:21]  * apachelogger_ did not even want to look into nepomuk :'(
[16:22] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:22] <BluesKaj> nepomuk and akonadi/kmail and kontact can be totally left out as default installs for kubuntu anytime and I won't miss them 
[16:23] <apachelogger_> ohh
[16:23] <apachelogger_> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:23] <smartboyhw> !?!!!?!?!?!?!???!!!?!!??!?!
[16:24] <apachelogger_> no
[16:24] <apachelogger_> actually
[16:24] <apachelogger_> what
[16:24] <apachelogger_> Oo
[16:24] <apachelogger_> ahhhh
[16:24] <apachelogger_> just as I thought
[16:24] <apachelogger_> muhahaha
[16:25] <apachelogger_> OTOH
[16:25]  * BluesKaj waits , patiently
[16:25] <smartboyhw> apachelogger_ stop the weird noise...
[16:25] <apachelogger_> and here I thought I got rid of smartboyhw :(
[16:25] <apachelogger_> so
[16:25] <apachelogger_> nepomukserver has messed up stateness
[16:26] <ScottK> Riddell: It would have been nice for them to have mentioned it to us recently rather than just assume we read their wiki page (unless there was some communication I missed).
[16:26] <smartboyhw> apachelogger_ you can't get rid of me;P
[16:26] <apachelogger_> the server object is a child of qapp but also used in signalhandlers for hup/int/quit/term
[16:27] <apachelogger_> now if you have process exist qapp cleans up rubbish such as its children
[16:27] <apachelogger_> if then a signal interrupts it starts quitting while it was already quitting
[16:28] <apachelogger_> so it starts working on a half destructed object tree, which explains the endless amount of crash variants all originating in the sighandler
[16:29] <Riddell> ScottK: I think they sent me the date after the last meeting 6 months ago
[16:29] <ScottK> That's a long time to remember.
[16:29] <ScottK> I reminder a week or so in advance might be nice.
[16:30] <Riddell> I know, good thing we have smartboyhw to remind us :)
[16:31] <ScottK> jussi was around reminding yesterday too.
[16:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, so the upgrade itself worked, but 2 tests failed (X and search for *.dpkg-dist) which is caused by my modifications to fix the upgrade
[16:36] <shadeslayer> mmm
[16:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: so I guess we can use this as long as we modify the tests
[16:36] <shadeslayer> I guess yeah :)
[16:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: so, question, how does one expose a service inside an lxc to the public internets?
[16:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: NAT
[16:38] <yofel> you'll have to add some routing redirects in iptables
[16:39] <shadeslayer> and is that the default behaviour?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:51] <smartboyhw> 9 minutes to CC - KC meeting:)
[17:00] <smartboyhw> Guys, Community Council meeting with Kubuntu now!
[17:21] <vHanda> apachelogger_: BluesKaj: did something happen to piss you guys off?
[17:21] <apachelogger_> nepomuk :P
[17:21] <apachelogger_> see what I wrote
[17:21] <Quintasan> lol
[17:21] <vHanda> well, that was 4 years ago!
[17:21] <apachelogger_> no
[17:21] <apachelogger_> now!
[17:22] <apachelogger_> essentially nepomukserver needs to not try to quit when the signalhandler is called after exit
[17:22] <Mamarok> hm, Riddell, did you remove yourself off the kubuntu-users ML or was this a bounce action?
[17:22] <apachelogger_> supposedly unsettings s_server after .exec(); ought to be enough to make that happen
[17:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: I've not done anything, did I get kicked off by the bouncer?
[17:23] <apachelogger_> but I am not too much into posix so I would not bet on that
[17:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: apparently, yes, your jriddell.org address
[17:23] <BluesKaj> vHanda, piss me off , like what ?
[17:24] <vHanda> BluesKaj: nevermind.
[17:24] <vHanda> apachelogger_: fixed with 4.11
[17:25] <apachelogger_> vHanda: cool
[17:25] <vHanda> apachelogger_: is it causing a crash?
[17:25] <apachelogger_> non-realistic ones
[17:25] <vHanda> with 4.11 I just call QCoreApplication::quit when the signal handler is called
[17:25] <vHanda> and that cleans up everything
[17:25] <apachelogger_> we are only getting reports because we ahve a fallback backtrace collector that acts up when someone crashes on logout
[17:26] <apachelogger_> s/someone/something
[17:26] <vHanda> could you point me to the crash reports please?
[17:26] <apachelogger_> vHanda: bug 1163632
[17:26] <apachelogger_> and duplicates
[17:27] <apachelogger_> in almost all cases the regular exit_handlers get run (i.e. qapp cleans up children) and then a signal hits and works on a partially destructed object tree
[17:27] <vHanda> oh, it's the server, I thought you meant one of the processes
[17:27] <vHanda> this hasn't been fixed
[17:27] <apachelogger_> awww
[17:28] <vHanda> apachelogger_: it's alright, the fix is quite simple and can be done for 4.10.3
[17:28] <apachelogger_> yay \o/
[17:29] <apachelogger_> vHanda++
[17:29]  * apachelogger_ returns to look at kmix code :S
[17:29] <vHanda> do you have any idea if I can check for similar backtraces of bugs.kde.org?
[17:29] <vHanda> automatically
[17:30] <apachelogger_> vHanda: do an advanced search for QHashData::detach_helper2
[17:31] <vHanda> will do. thanks
[17:31] <Darkwing> Anyone have an idea what happened? I upgraded from the LTS to 12.10... http://paste.kde.org/716054/
[17:31] <apachelogger_> though I think all reports on your end should be from nepomukservicestub which had a similar symptom
[17:40] <Riddell> I'm out for a few hours, if beta 2 gets released it should be all ready, just needs a notice on the website
[18:19] <yofel> Darkwing: EOFError: EOF read where not expected -> usually means some file got truncated. Try running debsums -S to verify that the packages are intact
[19:24] <soee> last weekend time changed here in Poland, now i want to change my system time but if i change hout it is again old value after system reboot :/
[19:27] <BluesKaj> soee, sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[19:30] <soee> BluesKaj, worket but i had to change clock font to get new value oO
[19:31] <BluesKaj> soee, weird :)
[19:51] <soee> thunderbird ->
[19:51] <soee> The application had a problem and crashed.
[19:51] <soee> Unfortunately, the crash reporter is unable to submit a report for this crash.
[19:51] <soee> Details: The application did not identify itself.
[19:52] <soee> wtf, system monitor ->
[19:52] <soee> Plik /home/soee/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/ProcessTable.sgrd zawiera niepoprawny format XML.
[19:53] <soee> it states this file contains incorrect XML format
[20:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: \o/ http://kyofel2.dyndns.org/upgrade.old/
[20:36] <shadeslayer> hurrah :D
[20:36] <yofel> now let me get that into the branch
[20:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw is it just me or is owncloud super slow
[20:37] <shadeslayer> opening the admin interface takes *forever*
[20:38] <yofel> dunno, haven't used it much
[20:38] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:38] <shadeslayer> well, https://glaedr.dyndns.org/owncloud/ is what I have now :)
[20:39] <shadeslayer> just need to figure out a way to get mysql under control
[20:39] <shadeslayer> fwiw that's running in a lxc :P
[20:41] <yofel> sounds overengeneered, but if you need that... ^^
[20:41] <shadeslayer> well, I don't want to add stuff to the host OS
[20:41] <shadeslayer> want it to be as clean as possibel
[20:41] <shadeslayer> *possible
[20:57] <yofel> *SIGH*
[20:57] <yofel> %(AutoUpgradeTesterSharedDir) is a mess
[21:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:02] <shadeslayer> anyway
[21:02] <shadeslayer> really past my bed time, night
[21:02] <yofel> 'night
[21:31] <Riddell> anyone tested precise and quantal 4.10.2?
[21:45] <yofel> at least one person tested 4.10.2 I believe
[21:46] <yofel> did you get kde-workspace-randr worked out?
[21:46] <yofel> hm... nobody updated akonadi?
[21:47] <Riddell> oh good points
[21:47] <Riddell> I'll get onto them
[22:05] <soee> any idea whats going on: Plik /home/soee/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/ProcessTable.sgrd zawiera niepoprawny format XML.
[22:05] <soee> incorrect XML format ?
[22:06] <soee> and netbeans just stopped working after generating ~ 150 warning popup windows
[22:06] <yofel> can you pastebin that file?
[22:07] <yofel> well, I just had to fix invalid SQL in owncould 5.0.3 to get it working
[22:08] <soee> yofel, ProcessTable.sgrd is empty
[22:08] <yofel> hm, you *could* say that empty is invalid... except that it shouldn't be empty
[22:09] <soee> oO
[22:09] <soee> how can i list running processes so i can kill netbeans ?
[22:09] <yofel> ps -e | grep netbeans
[22:09] <yofel> soee: removing the file might make it work again? And please file a bug
[22:09] <soee> what shoudl this do ?
[22:10] <soee> yofel, but i have no idea why this happen
[22:10] <yofel> ps should show you what the netbeans process is, you can then 'kill <pid>' it
[22:10] <yofel> soee: well, me neither :S
[22:10] <soee> it returns nothing
[22:10] <yofel> but it shouldn't be completely failing either
[22:10] <yofel> oh... then it's java maybe
[22:11] <soee> yes that helped
[22:12] <soee> ok removing those files helped
[22:12] <soee> new one was created and i can run system monitor naw
[23:10] <Riddell> what am I doing wrong? http://paste.kde.org/716294/
[23:49] <Riddell> dddd