[00:32] <troulouliou_dev> hi is gnome-panel still present in 13.04 ?
[01:08] <bjsnider> no
[01:27] <centaur5> I just installed raring last week and yesterday added the network-manager-openvpn package. It's able to connect to all my VPN servers that are on 12.04 but my 1 server on 10.04 fails. Any ideas?
[02:21] <hays> final beta tomorrow?  exciting
[02:43] <johnjohn1011> what is the support time for 13.04?
[03:45] <ironhalik_> What day is it? When should I expect the beta to be released? :>
[04:02] <bjsnider> 25th
[04:02] <bjsnider> oh, you'r enot talking about the final release
[04:02] <bjsnider> final beta release april 4
[04:03] <ironhalik> I'm just wondering how it works with timezones and stuff
[04:03] <ironhalik> I'm planning on reinstalling raring on one of my machines, and would prefer the beta image instead of the daily ones
[04:05] <bjsnider> in my experience it is not released at an exact predictable moment
[04:06] <bjsnider> in other words, it will not be april 4, 12:00 gmt exactly or something
[04:06] <bjsnider> in a general sense it will be april 4
[04:12] <ironhalik> I guess I'll have to be patient :>
[04:32] <tyrog> ironhalik: There are not major differences between daily from today and beta, if any at all
[04:33] <ironhalik> I kinda know, but there's always lots of updated packages after a milestone is hit
[04:34] <tyrog> ironhalik: you are waiting for the Ubuntu image, with the unity desktop?
[04:36] <ironhalik> yup, the default amd64 one
[04:37] <tyrog> ironhalik: Im using the daily from today, it installed just fine. Also Unity is very snappy, and haven't found major problems yet :)
[04:37] <ironhalik> I guess if the beta wont be out after I come back from work, I'll got with the daily
[04:39] <tyrog> There are no fixed hours for Ubuntu releases. They release it when they announce it. I think they released Ubuntu 10.10 at 10/10/2010 at 10:10:10 o'clock, but that was an exception xD
[04:39] <ironhalik> ;D
[07:35] <Noskcaj> can someone test the gnubuntu and xubuntu raring beta 2 iso's, they release tomorrow and need testing
[07:51] <dmatt> Noskcaj: it might help if you provide a link, where people can find those iso's to test
[07:52] <Noskcaj> dmatt, i was more aiming at current tests, but i'll get it now
[07:52] <Noskcaj> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds
[08:50] <rohdef> can it really be true that maven3 isn't in the apt repositories?
[08:57] <tibi> Hi! I've just installed Ubuntu 13.04; on top of it I've installed kde-full, then kubuntu-desktop. Problem is when logging in, I don't get a kde session, just the wallpaper from kdm. Any ideas?
[09:16] <rohdef> tibi, make sure that you selected KDE as the session in KDM
[09:16] <rohdef> there should be a menu somewhere if I recall correctly
[09:28] <theadmin> On http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ -- " Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine." -- does this mean Ubuntu is going back to CD media?
[11:14] <fanysCZ> hello guys, does anybody know when  we can expect Mesa 9.1.1 in raring?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:31] <Atlantic777> anyone having problems with installing libopencv-dev?
[13:31] <Atlantic777> it seems that some dependencies aren't available
[13:38] <bjsnider> Atlantic777, be more specific
[15:10] <jpozlovsky> hello, when will be 13.04 Beta released?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> jpozlovsky, within 3 hours I think
[15:13] <jpozlovsky> smartboyhw, ok thanks for info!
[15:25] <roasted> sorry if I sound like a moron, but has 13.04 been in alpha this whole time I've been running it?
[15:26] <roasted> oh, it was beta, just not final beta.
[15:28] <minas> I have noticed in 13.04 that when scrolling the mouse in the unity launcher, instead of scrolling the icons, the application on which the cursor is pointing gains focus. is this a bug?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> minas, probly a "feature" :)
[15:38] <roasted> Anybody running 13.04 with Gnome 3.8?
[15:39] <minas> BluesKaj, feature?? How am I going to scroll now?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> minas, I was being sarcastic ..I have no idea how
[15:39] <minas> I know :)
[15:40] <minas> I hope it's a bug that will get fixed soon
[15:47] <roasted> sooooo nobody on 3.8?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> roasted, running 3.8.0-16 here
[16:16] <zerick> Hi guys, I'm using ubuntu 13.04, after a shutdown it suddenly started not recognizing any network device :( It's not present in lspci, lshw and dmesg output.
[16:28] <roasted> BluesKaj: I meant Gnome 3.8 :/
[16:29] <BluesKaj> zerick, ifconfig ?
[16:29] <zerick> BluesKaj: Just input lo interface
[16:31] <BluesKaj> zerick, which network devices then ?
[16:32] <zerick> BluesKaj: It used to be present an eth0
[16:34] <zerick> BluesKaj: I just install some packages (nothing related to kernel o modules) and then this machine failed with net interfaces
[16:35] <zerick> BluesKaj: Actually I have in total six machines, two of them have this problem with the nic
[16:35] <zerick> BluesKaj: the other ones are working, at the moment, fine
[16:35] <BluesKaj> zerick, are you using network manager?
[16:35] <zerick> BluesKaj: No
[16:35] <zerick> BluesKaj: I installed ubuntu server
[16:36] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:36] <zerick> any idea?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> did you try sudo dhclient eth0
[16:42] <BluesKaj> zerick,^
[16:47] <zerick> BluesKaj: it's using static address, but what is strange for me is that seems not to be present physically
[16:48] <BluesKaj> can you see the network devices in the file manager places or network , zerick ?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> zerick, your /etc/network/interfaces file shouldn't reflect any changes , but /etc/resolv.conf might ..are you aware that /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base  , and the nameservers etc should be entered there now ?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> I have to go for a few mins...BBL
[17:03] <BluesKaj> ok back again
[17:09] <bjsnider> roasted, 3.8 isn't available except in a ppa
[17:09] <bjsnider> and it's got a bunch of problems
[17:10] <roasted> Yeah - I'm using the Gnome3 PPA.
[17:13] <bjsnider> is it buggy?
[17:14] <bjsnider> there's no other incentive for me to use raring. i've been using gnome 3.6 for 6 months already, and i use gnome-shell, so there wouldn't be any change
[17:14] <bjsnider> there would be a kernel upgrade, but without any performance improvements
[17:17] <zerick> BluesKaj, well, I set IP configuration manually (I have no desktop installed) and as I said first, when I run lspci, lshw or dmesg any info about the eth0 or Ethernet is present, when in the past it WAS present.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> zerick, use nano to edit files in ubuntu server terminal
[17:19] <zerick> BluesKaj: My config is ok, the mii-tool doesn't detect my NIC
[17:20] <BluesKaj> zerick, not familiar with mii-tool
[17:20] <zerick> BluesKaj: it displays NIC's link status
[17:20] <BluesKaj> does ifconfig show anything like an IP gatewat etc
[17:20] <BluesKaj> gateway
[17:20] <zerick> BluesKaj: it is blinking (and was working)
[17:21] <zerick> BluesKaj: Yeah, of course, all my network config is static
[17:21] <zerick> BluesKaj: i'm not using dhcp
[17:22] <BluesKaj> zerick, did , sudo dhclient eth0 , show any output ?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> zerick, yes I'm static behind the router as well
[17:23] <zerick> BluesKaj: When I do ifup it outputs: Cannot find device 'eth0' Failed to bring up eth0
[17:24] <BluesKaj> yes zerick , but what does dhclient do ?
[17:24] <zerick> BluesKaj: up to this point, my problem is with the NIC, not the config, even if I run dhclient, it will not work since there is no link
[17:25] <BluesKaj> dhclient is supposed to link it
[17:26] <zerick> dhclient eth0 > cannot  find device "eth0"
[17:26] <zerick> BluesKaj
[17:26] <BluesKaj> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[17:26] <BluesKaj> zerick,^
[17:27] <bjsnider> zerick, can't bring up eth0 i'd say you don't have a working driver for your lan chip
[17:27] <zerick> bjsnider: my conclusion too, but, I didn't install nothing that could erase them
[17:27] <bjsnider> is loopback there?
[17:28] <zerick> bjsnider: it was a fresh install
[17:28] <bjsnider> ifconfig -- doe sit show loopback?
[17:28] <zerick> bjsnider: used the generic (or default) drivers and was working fine
[17:28] <zerick> bjsnider: yes, it shows
[17:28] <BluesKaj> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[17:28] <bjsnider> try pinging it
[17:29] <zerick> bjsnider: it responses
[17:29] <bjsnider> \check dmesg for relevant messages
[17:29] <zerick> bjsnider: There's no related message por Ethernet
[17:29] <zerick> *messages
[17:30] <bjsnider> what lan chip is it?
[17:30] <zerick> bjsnider: its a VIA one
[17:30] <zerick> bjsnider: I don't remember the number
[17:30] <bjsnider> oh, that's good
[17:30] <bjsnider> i was worried it might have poor support in linux
[17:30] <bjsnider> *rolls eyes*
[17:30] <zerick> bjsnider: it has dissapeared from lspci
[17:31] <zerick> bjsnider: lol :) yeah, that's very strange
[17:31] <bjsnider> not in lspci, check the bios to see if it's enabled
[17:31] <zerick> bjsnider: it has good support
[17:32] <bjsnider> if it's not in lspci it's dead or not getting electricity
[17:32] <bjsnider> ie. disabled in bios
[17:32] <zerick> bjsnider: I will run a live cd right now, to check whether is the NIC
[17:32] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VIA
[17:33] <bjsnider> everything will be via
[17:33] <bjsnider> probably a via chipset
[17:33] <zerick> Yes
[17:33] <zerick> Everything
[17:33] <bjsnider> (use intel)
[17:33] <bjsnider> whoops, didn't say that
[17:33] <zerick> does cases better grepping Ethernet
[17:33] <BluesKaj> yeah probly just your firewire and soundcard if applicable
[17:34] <zerick> bjsnider: Anyway, thanks
[17:34] <zerick> :)
[17:36] <BluesKaj> zerick, did you try , sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[17:36] <bjsnider> won't work
[17:36] <zerick> BluesKaj: Man, as I said, my problem is not config is the network card
[17:36] <bjsnider> problem is the lan chip is not seen by the kernel
[17:36] <BluesKaj> it might wake it up
[17:37] <zerick> BluesKaj: it won't
[17:37] <zerick> BluesKaj: But thanks for your time
[17:37] <bjsnider> lower level than a linux service
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ok , if you you won't , fine
[17:39] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, he's running ubuntu server btw , it's not an ordinary desktop install
[17:39] <bjsnider> doesn't matter
[17:39] <bjsnider> this problem is much lower down the stack than that
[17:39] <bjsnider> this is a problem that is actually below the operating system
[17:40] <BluesKaj> what could delete the nic , if it was running fine previously without any updates or upgrades
[17:41] <bjsnider> i suppose it got turned off in the bios
[17:41] <bjsnider> that would stop the board from sending an electric current to it
[17:42] <BluesKaj> how could it be turned off in the bios if he just rebooted
[17:42] <bjsnider> i dunno
[17:42] <BluesKaj> makes no sense unless it failed completely
[17:42] <bjsnider> it could have
[17:44] <zerick> bjsnider: live cd not detecting, I think they (because there are two NIC's) dead
[17:44] <bjsnider> ouch
[17:44] <bjsnider> is ther a green light on the back of the board where the rj45 ports are?
[17:46] <zerick> yes
[17:46] <zerick> they are blinking
[17:46] <BluesKaj>  a conflict maybe
[17:47] <bjsnider> they're blinking and they're green, not yellow?
[17:48] <zerick> this one has only yellow color
[17:48] <zerick> and orange
[17:48] <bjsnider> well, that indicates a problem i believe
[17:48] <bjsnider> so that also suggests bad hardware
[17:50] <bjsnider> yellow/orange = no connection
[17:51] <zerick> well, but, never was a green one
[17:52] <bjsnider> if you say so
[17:54] <johnjohn101> 3 more weeks!!
[18:13] <luciano> Hello! Will there be an official beta for 13.04? I see it's scheduled for April 4th, however there are only daily builds
[18:13] <bazhang> !schedule
[18:15] <BluesKaj> luciano, heard a rumour , the beta might available today , dunno exactly when or if it's even true
[18:16] <bjsnider> the alphas and betas don't always appear at exact predictable times
[18:16] <bjsnider> repeating what i said in here last night
[18:16] <bjsnider> should keep that in the clipboard i guess
[18:20] <tyrog> Hello. Beta is scheduled for today right? thanks
[18:20] <johnjohn101> will there be any real changes from the what i have loaded now from the daily?
[18:21] <tyrog> johnjohn101: Nothing. If you keep the daily updated, you already have the beta
[18:22] <johnjohn101> it's a pretty solid release so far. I'm running on vmware player and have no real issues.  still running 12.04 on home desktop and it's so stable, that it's tough to upgrade
[18:23] <tyrog> johnjohn101: I agree. This is one of the best Ubuntu betas I have ever tried. Haven't found flaws yet and is much faster than 12.10, that was a poor release imo
[18:26] <BluesKaj> 12.10 with KDE was just fine here
[18:27] <tyrog> BluesKaj: Right. I really wanted to mention the Unity version. KDE in 12.10 was fine. But in 13.04 it is even better too
[18:27] <johnjohn101> 12.10 wasn't enough of a change for me to move off of 12.04. still a decent release
[18:27] <BluesKaj> kubuntu 13.04 is quite stable now too , even with the kde 4.10,2 rc
[18:28] <johnjohn101> i'm using kde for the first time in a long time but still prefer unity in a lot of ways
[18:29] <tyrog> The fact is that with KDE you should be able to create a Unity-like environment, or anything you want to. With unity you are mostly stuck with what they give you. Still I like unity too
[18:30] <BluesKaj> some ppl get hooked on the brown-orange and earth tones :)
[18:30] <BluesKaj> ofunity/gnome
[18:31] <johnjohn101> i miss the old 9.04 tones
[18:31] <BluesKaj> makes them feel all warm and fuzzy
[18:31] <tyrog> I think Unity provides a good out of the box experience, and is an interface that doesn't get in the way. I think it suits most users tastes and is also easy to work with, that's why it is the default
[18:32] <tyrog> BluesKaj: you have to admit that default KDE looks very bland in comparison to either Gnome shell or unity
[18:32] <tyrog> Only the icons are better than gnome's
[18:32] <BluesKaj> didn't like unity from the start ..went back to kde after 2 weeks ...more used to the way things work on kde
[18:33] <tyrog> johnjohn101: 12.04 seems to be better each day. I can't make up my mind as well. Is 13.04 going to be a rolling release after 25th April?
[18:33] <johnjohn101> i tried going back to the old gnome 2 desktop and unity is MUCH better
[18:34] <tyrog> BluesKaj: If you were used to KDE and know how to fine-tune it to the maximum there might be no competition on the desktop for it xD
[18:35] <BluesKaj> tyrog, yeah , it's more familiar to old windows guys like I used to be before I started with linux
[18:36] <BluesKaj> zerick, green means connected,  and amber is the traffic
[18:36] <tyrog> Me two, and most people :) . I found the Unity interface weird in the beginning too.
[18:37] <tyrog> johnjohn101: GTK3 looks better, there is no doubt on that. And if you enjoy the Dash, then unity is definitely for you
[18:40] <johnjohn101> dash is the best
[18:40] <johnjohn101> tyrog, will be interesting when unity moves to QT
[18:41] <johnjohn101> i hope it looks exactly the same
[18:41] <tyrog> yes. And with Mir, graphics drivers may stabilize forever xD
[18:41] <tyrog> I don't. I hope it looks even better
[18:41] <johnjohn101> i wonder if Mir is coming to 13.10?  or will wait until 14.04
[18:42] <tyrog> Hard to guess at the moment
[18:43] <tyrog> I don't know if I will be following the proposed rolling release after 13.04
[18:44] <tyrog> Or keep with 13.04 and upgrade. This should be an advantageous path in terms of stability vs. the rolling release model
[18:48] <johnjohn101> rolling release just seems like there are too many possibilities to get everything out of sync
[18:49] <IdleOne> there is no rolling release being followed for Ubuntu.
[18:50] <IdleOne> the support durations have been changed to 9 months for non-lts releases.
[18:50] <IdleOne> that is all that has changed.
[18:51] <johnjohn101> 9 months is not that much time
[18:52] <tyrog> IdleOne: If they can provide me with development releases as good as Raring, then fine by me xD
[18:52] <IdleOne> johnjohn101: if you need/want a longer supported version there is still LTS releases which will continue to have 5 years of support.
[18:53] <tyrog> I think Ubuntu should give more attention to the LTS after it is released. Provide more updated packages in the main repositories, so we do not depend very much on PPAs
[18:53] <tyrog> But yeah, 12.04 LTS is also awesome, just like 13.04 is. Hard to decide which one I will be using the most xD
[18:57] <tyrog> IdleOne: I read many commentaries suggesting LTS releases for most people. Still, I think most people use the interim releases. Not everyone needs the absolute stability of an LTS and for the most part the interim releases are at least "ok"
[18:58] <tim> hi, is it possible to install plasma-scriptengine-ruby on ubuntu 13.04?
[18:58] <bazhang> !find plasma-scriptengine-ruby
[18:59] <bazhang> tim, it appears so ^
[18:59] <tim> bazhang: well, apt-get is not able to locate package plasma-scriptengine-ruby
[19:01] <bazhang> tim try updating your sources.list then
[19:01] <tim> bazhang: with what?
[19:01] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update
[19:02] <bazhang> make sure all the necessary repos are enabled
[19:02] <tim> bazhang: that was my question ...
[19:02] <bazhang> !info plasma-scriptengine-ruby
[19:02] <bazhang> tim and I just gave you the answer...
[19:02] <tim> ah
[19:02] <tim> hm interesting
[19:03] <bazhang> np
[19:04] <tim> ah, the distribution upgrade failed on one of my machines, remove too many repos ... had some other issues before
[20:51] <sary> Salutations!
[20:52] <sary> micahg,Hi .. you there!
[21:22] <micahg> sary: yes?
[22:03] <hays> so should i upgrade to the beta for fun? :)
[22:10] <bazhang> depends if your idea of fun includes bug fixing
[23:15] <hays> hmm,, well it can
[23:15] <hays> depending on the bug :)
[23:22] <Bauer> hmm after 13.04 hits final, will it become an LTS?
[23:25] <Bauer> rebooting, brb
[23:29] <tyrog> Bauer: 12.04 is the current LTS. 14.04 is the next one. 13.04 will only have 9 months support
[23:32] <Bauer> tyrog: I see, thanks
[23:50] <gilly345> I feel like an apple fanboy. I'm waiting for the Final Beta release of raring :-) periodically checking for the .iso to appear.
[23:52] <penguin42> hey just install and upgrade
[23:54] <ironhalik> gilly345: it's almost like standing in line at some apple store ;>