| troulouliou_dev | hi is gnome-panel still present in 13.04 ? | 00:32 |
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| bjsnider | no | 01:08 |
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| centaur5 | I just installed raring last week and yesterday added the network-manager-openvpn package. It's able to connect to all my VPN servers that are on 12.04 but my 1 server on 10.04 fails. Any ideas? | 01:27 |
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| hays | final beta tomorrow? exciting | 02:21 |
| johnjohn1011 | what is the support time for 13.04? | 02:43 |
| ironhalik_ | What day is it? When should I expect the beta to be released? :> | 03:45 |
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| bjsnider | 25th | 04:02 |
| bjsnider | oh, you'r enot talking about the final release | 04:02 |
| bjsnider | final beta release april 4 | 04:02 |
| ironhalik | I'm just wondering how it works with timezones and stuff | 04:03 |
| ironhalik | I'm planning on reinstalling raring on one of my machines, and would prefer the beta image instead of the daily ones | 04:03 |
| bjsnider | in my experience it is not released at an exact predictable moment | 04:05 |
| bjsnider | in other words, it will not be april 4, 12:00 gmt exactly or something | 04:06 |
| bjsnider | in a general sense it will be april 4 | 04:06 |
| ironhalik | I guess I'll have to be patient :> | 04:12 |
| tyrog | ironhalik: There are not major differences between daily from today and beta, if any at all | 04:32 |
| ironhalik | I kinda know, but there's always lots of updated packages after a milestone is hit | 04:33 |
| tyrog | ironhalik: you are waiting for the Ubuntu image, with the unity desktop? | 04:34 |
| ironhalik | yup, the default amd64 one | 04:36 |
| tyrog | ironhalik: Im using the daily from today, it installed just fine. Also Unity is very snappy, and haven't found major problems yet :) | 04:37 |
| ironhalik | I guess if the beta wont be out after I come back from work, I'll got with the daily | 04:37 |
| tyrog | There are no fixed hours for Ubuntu releases. They release it when they announce it. I think they released Ubuntu 10.10 at 10/10/2010 at 10:10:10 o'clock, but that was an exception xD | 04:39 |
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| ironhalik | ;D | 04:39 |
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| Noskcaj | can someone test the gnubuntu and xubuntu raring beta 2 iso's, they release tomorrow and need testing | 07:35 |
| dmatt | Noskcaj: it might help if you provide a link, where people can find those iso's to test | 07:51 |
| Noskcaj | dmatt, i was more aiming at current tests, but i'll get it now | 07:52 |
| Noskcaj | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds | 07:52 |
| rohdef | can it really be true that maven3 isn't in the apt repositories? | 08:50 |
| tibi | Hi! I've just installed Ubuntu 13.04; on top of it I've installed kde-full, then kubuntu-desktop. Problem is when logging in, I don't get a kde session, just the wallpaper from kdm. Any ideas? | 08:57 |
| rohdef | tibi, make sure that you selected KDE as the session in KDM | 09:16 |
| rohdef | there should be a menu somewhere if I recall correctly | 09:16 |
| theadmin | On http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ -- " Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine." -- does this mean Ubuntu is going back to CD media? | 09:28 |
| fanysCZ | hello guys, does anybody know when we can expect Mesa 9.1.1 in raring? | 11:14 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:38 |
| Atlantic777 | anyone having problems with installing libopencv-dev? | 13:31 |
| Atlantic777 | it seems that some dependencies aren't available | 13:31 |
| bjsnider | Atlantic777, be more specific | 13:38 |
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| jpozlovsky | hello, when will be 13.04 Beta released? | 15:10 |
| smartboyhw | jpozlovsky, within 3 hours I think | 15:12 |
| jpozlovsky | smartboyhw, ok thanks for info! | 15:13 |
| roasted | sorry if I sound like a moron, but has 13.04 been in alpha this whole time I've been running it? | 15:25 |
| roasted | oh, it was beta, just not final beta. | 15:26 |
| minas | I have noticed in 13.04 that when scrolling the mouse in the unity launcher, instead of scrolling the icons, the application on which the cursor is pointing gains focus. is this a bug? | 15:28 |
| BluesKaj | minas, probly a "feature" :) | 15:38 |
| roasted | Anybody running 13.04 with Gnome 3.8? | 15:38 |
| minas | BluesKaj, feature?? How am I going to scroll now? | 15:39 |
| BluesKaj | minas, I was being sarcastic ..I have no idea how | 15:39 |
| minas | I know :) | 15:39 |
| minas | I hope it's a bug that will get fixed soon | 15:40 |
| roasted | sooooo nobody on 3.8? | 15:47 |
| BluesKaj | roasted, running 3.8.0-16 here | 16:13 |
| zerick | Hi guys, I'm using ubuntu 13.04, after a shutdown it suddenly started not recognizing any network device :( It's not present in lspci, lshw and dmesg output. | 16:16 |
| roasted | BluesKaj: I meant Gnome 3.8 :/ | 16:28 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, ifconfig ? | 16:29 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: Just input lo interface | 16:29 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, which network devices then ? | 16:31 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: It used to be present an eth0 | 16:32 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: I just install some packages (nothing related to kernel o modules) and then this machine failed with net interfaces | 16:34 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: Actually I have in total six machines, two of them have this problem with the nic | 16:35 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: the other ones are working, at the moment, fine | 16:35 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, are you using network manager? | 16:35 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: No | 16:35 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: I installed ubuntu server | 16:35 |
| BluesKaj | ok | 16:36 |
| zerick | any idea? | 16:36 |
| BluesKaj | did you try sudo dhclient eth0 | 16:41 |
| BluesKaj | zerick,^ | 16:42 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: it's using static address, but what is strange for me is that seems not to be present physically | 16:47 |
| BluesKaj | can you see the network devices in the file manager places or network , zerick ? | 16:48 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, your /etc/network/interfaces file shouldn't reflect any changes , but /etc/resolv.conf might ..are you aware that /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base , and the nameservers etc should be entered there now ? | 16:49 |
| BluesKaj | I have to go for a few mins...BBL | 16:50 |
| BluesKaj | ok back again | 17:03 |
| bjsnider | roasted, 3.8 isn't available except in a ppa | 17:09 |
| bjsnider | and it's got a bunch of problems | 17:09 |
| roasted | Yeah - I'm using the Gnome3 PPA. | 17:10 |
| bjsnider | is it buggy? | 17:13 |
| bjsnider | there's no other incentive for me to use raring. i've been using gnome 3.6 for 6 months already, and i use gnome-shell, so there wouldn't be any change | 17:14 |
| bjsnider | there would be a kernel upgrade, but without any performance improvements | 17:14 |
| zerick | BluesKaj, well, I set IP configuration manually (I have no desktop installed) and as I said first, when I run lspci, lshw or dmesg any info about the eth0 or Ethernet is present, when in the past it WAS present. | 17:17 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, use nano to edit files in ubuntu server terminal | 17:18 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: My config is ok, the mii-tool doesn't detect my NIC | 17:19 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, not familiar with mii-tool | 17:20 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: it displays NIC's link status | 17:20 |
| BluesKaj | does ifconfig show anything like an IP gatewat etc | 17:20 |
| BluesKaj | gateway | 17:20 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: it is blinking (and was working) | 17:20 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: Yeah, of course, all my network config is static | 17:21 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: i'm not using dhcp | 17:21 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, did , sudo dhclient eth0 , show any output ? | 17:22 |
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| BluesKaj | zerick, yes I'm static behind the router as well | 17:22 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: When I do ifup it outputs: Cannot find device 'eth0' Failed to bring up eth0 | 17:23 |
| BluesKaj | yes zerick , but what does dhclient do ? | 17:24 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: up to this point, my problem is with the NIC, not the config, even if I run dhclient, it will not work since there is no link | 17:24 |
| BluesKaj | dhclient is supposed to link it | 17:25 |
| zerick | dhclient eth0 > cannot find device "eth0" | 17:26 |
| zerick | BluesKaj | 17:26 |
| BluesKaj | sudo ifconfig eth0 up | 17:26 |
| BluesKaj | zerick,^ | 17:26 |
| bjsnider | zerick, can't bring up eth0 i'd say you don't have a working driver for your lan chip | 17:27 |
| zerick | bjsnider: my conclusion too, but, I didn't install nothing that could erase them | 17:27 |
| bjsnider | is loopback there? | 17:27 |
| zerick | bjsnider: it was a fresh install | 17:28 |
| bjsnider | ifconfig -- doe sit show loopback? | 17:28 |
| zerick | bjsnider: used the generic (or default) drivers and was working fine | 17:28 |
| zerick | bjsnider: yes, it shows | 17:28 |
| BluesKaj | sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart | 17:28 |
| bjsnider | try pinging it | 17:28 |
| zerick | bjsnider: it responses | 17:29 |
| bjsnider | \check dmesg for relevant messages | 17:29 |
| zerick | bjsnider: There's no related message por Ethernet | 17:29 |
| zerick | *messages | 17:29 |
| bjsnider | what lan chip is it? | 17:30 |
| zerick | bjsnider: its a VIA one | 17:30 |
| zerick | bjsnider: I don't remember the number | 17:30 |
| bjsnider | oh, that's good | 17:30 |
| bjsnider | i was worried it might have poor support in linux | 17:30 |
| bjsnider | *rolls eyes* | 17:30 |
| zerick | bjsnider: it has dissapeared from lspci | 17:30 |
| zerick | bjsnider: lol :) yeah, that's very strange | 17:31 |
| bjsnider | not in lspci, check the bios to see if it's enabled | 17:31 |
| zerick | bjsnider: it has good support | 17:31 |
| bjsnider | if it's not in lspci it's dead or not getting electricity | 17:32 |
| bjsnider | ie. disabled in bios | 17:32 |
| zerick | bjsnider: I will run a live cd right now, to check whether is the NIC | 17:32 |
| BluesKaj | lspci | grep VIA | 17:32 |
| bjsnider | everything will be via | 17:33 |
| bjsnider | probably a via chipset | 17:33 |
| zerick | Yes | 17:33 |
| zerick | Everything | 17:33 |
| bjsnider | (use intel) | 17:33 |
| bjsnider | whoops, didn't say that | 17:33 |
| zerick | does cases better grepping Ethernet | 17:33 |
| BluesKaj | yeah probly just your firewire and soundcard if applicable | 17:33 |
| zerick | bjsnider: Anyway, thanks | 17:34 |
| zerick | :) | 17:34 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, did you try , sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart | 17:36 |
| bjsnider | won't work | 17:36 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: Man, as I said, my problem is not config is the network card | 17:36 |
| bjsnider | problem is the lan chip is not seen by the kernel | 17:36 |
| BluesKaj | it might wake it up | 17:36 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: it won't | 17:37 |
| zerick | BluesKaj: But thanks for your time | 17:37 |
| bjsnider | lower level than a linux service | 17:37 |
| BluesKaj | ok , if you you won't , fine | 17:37 |
| BluesKaj | bjsnider, he's running ubuntu server btw , it's not an ordinary desktop install | 17:39 |
| bjsnider | doesn't matter | 17:39 |
| bjsnider | this problem is much lower down the stack than that | 17:39 |
| bjsnider | this is a problem that is actually below the operating system | 17:39 |
| BluesKaj | what could delete the nic , if it was running fine previously without any updates or upgrades | 17:40 |
| bjsnider | i suppose it got turned off in the bios | 17:41 |
| bjsnider | that would stop the board from sending an electric current to it | 17:41 |
| BluesKaj | how could it be turned off in the bios if he just rebooted | 17:42 |
| bjsnider | i dunno | 17:42 |
| BluesKaj | makes no sense unless it failed completely | 17:42 |
| bjsnider | it could have | 17:42 |
| zerick | bjsnider: live cd not detecting, I think they (because there are two NIC's) dead | 17:44 |
| bjsnider | ouch | 17:44 |
| bjsnider | is ther a green light on the back of the board where the rj45 ports are? | 17:44 |
| zerick | yes | 17:46 |
| zerick | they are blinking | 17:46 |
| BluesKaj | a conflict maybe | 17:46 |
| bjsnider | they're blinking and they're green, not yellow? | 17:47 |
| zerick | this one has only yellow color | 17:48 |
| zerick | and orange | 17:48 |
| bjsnider | well, that indicates a problem i believe | 17:48 |
| bjsnider | so that also suggests bad hardware | 17:48 |
| bjsnider | yellow/orange = no connection | 17:50 |
| zerick | well, but, never was a green one | 17:51 |
| bjsnider | if you say so | 17:52 |
| johnjohn101 | 3 more weeks!! | 17:54 |
| luciano | Hello! Will there be an official beta for 13.04? I see it's scheduled for April 4th, however there are only daily builds | 18:13 |
| bazhang | !schedule | 18:13 |
| ubottu | Raring Ringtail (13.04) release milestones can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule | 18:13 |
| BluesKaj | luciano, heard a rumour , the beta might available today , dunno exactly when or if it's even true | 18:15 |
| bjsnider | the alphas and betas don't always appear at exact predictable times | 18:16 |
| bjsnider | repeating what i said in here last night | 18:16 |
| bjsnider | should keep that in the clipboard i guess | 18:16 |
| tyrog | Hello. Beta is scheduled for today right? thanks | 18:20 |
| johnjohn101 | will there be any real changes from the what i have loaded now from the daily? | 18:20 |
| tyrog | johnjohn101: Nothing. If you keep the daily updated, you already have the beta | 18:21 |
| johnjohn101 | it's a pretty solid release so far. I'm running on vmware player and have no real issues. still running 12.04 on home desktop and it's so stable, that it's tough to upgrade | 18:22 |
| tyrog | johnjohn101: I agree. This is one of the best Ubuntu betas I have ever tried. Haven't found flaws yet and is much faster than 12.10, that was a poor release imo | 18:23 |
| BluesKaj | 12.10 with KDE was just fine here | 18:26 |
| tyrog | BluesKaj: Right. I really wanted to mention the Unity version. KDE in 12.10 was fine. But in 13.04 it is even better too | 18:27 |
| johnjohn101 | 12.10 wasn't enough of a change for me to move off of 12.04. still a decent release | 18:27 |
| BluesKaj | kubuntu 13.04 is quite stable now too , even with the kde 4.10,2 rc | 18:27 |
| johnjohn101 | i'm using kde for the first time in a long time but still prefer unity in a lot of ways | 18:28 |
| tyrog | The fact is that with KDE you should be able to create a Unity-like environment, or anything you want to. With unity you are mostly stuck with what they give you. Still I like unity too | 18:29 |
| BluesKaj | some ppl get hooked on the brown-orange and earth tones :) | 18:30 |
| BluesKaj | ofunity/gnome | 18:30 |
| johnjohn101 | i miss the old 9.04 tones | 18:31 |
| BluesKaj | makes them feel all warm and fuzzy | 18:31 |
| tyrog | I think Unity provides a good out of the box experience, and is an interface that doesn't get in the way. I think it suits most users tastes and is also easy to work with, that's why it is the default | 18:31 |
| tyrog | BluesKaj: you have to admit that default KDE looks very bland in comparison to either Gnome shell or unity | 18:32 |
| tyrog | Only the icons are better than gnome's | 18:32 |
| BluesKaj | didn't like unity from the start ..went back to kde after 2 weeks ...more used to the way things work on kde | 18:32 |
| tyrog | johnjohn101: 12.04 seems to be better each day. I can't make up my mind as well. Is 13.04 going to be a rolling release after 25th April? | 18:33 |
| johnjohn101 | i tried going back to the old gnome 2 desktop and unity is MUCH better | 18:33 |
| tyrog | BluesKaj: If you were used to KDE and know how to fine-tune it to the maximum there might be no competition on the desktop for it xD | 18:34 |
| BluesKaj | tyrog, yeah , it's more familiar to old windows guys like I used to be before I started with linux | 18:35 |
| BluesKaj | zerick, green means connected, and amber is the traffic | 18:36 |
| tyrog | Me two, and most people :) . I found the Unity interface weird in the beginning too. | 18:36 |
| tyrog | johnjohn101: GTK3 looks better, there is no doubt on that. And if you enjoy the Dash, then unity is definitely for you | 18:37 |
| johnjohn101 | dash is the best | 18:40 |
| johnjohn101 | tyrog, will be interesting when unity moves to QT | 18:40 |
| johnjohn101 | i hope it looks exactly the same | 18:41 |
| tyrog | yes. And with Mir, graphics drivers may stabilize forever xD | 18:41 |
| tyrog | I don't. I hope it looks even better | 18:41 |
| johnjohn101 | i wonder if Mir is coming to 13.10? or will wait until 14.04 | 18:41 |
| tyrog | Hard to guess at the moment | 18:42 |
| tyrog | I don't know if I will be following the proposed rolling release after 13.04 | 18:43 |
| tyrog | Or keep with 13.04 and upgrade. This should be an advantageous path in terms of stability vs. the rolling release model | 18:44 |
| johnjohn101 | rolling release just seems like there are too many possibilities to get everything out of sync | 18:48 |
| IdleOne | there is no rolling release being followed for Ubuntu. | 18:49 |
| IdleOne | the support durations have been changed to 9 months for non-lts releases. | 18:50 |
| IdleOne | that is all that has changed. | 18:50 |
| johnjohn101 | 9 months is not that much time | 18:51 |
| tyrog | IdleOne: If they can provide me with development releases as good as Raring, then fine by me xD | 18:52 |
| IdleOne | johnjohn101: if you need/want a longer supported version there is still LTS releases which will continue to have 5 years of support. | 18:52 |
| tyrog | I think Ubuntu should give more attention to the LTS after it is released. Provide more updated packages in the main repositories, so we do not depend very much on PPAs | 18:53 |
| tyrog | But yeah, 12.04 LTS is also awesome, just like 13.04 is. Hard to decide which one I will be using the most xD | 18:53 |
| tyrog | IdleOne: I read many commentaries suggesting LTS releases for most people. Still, I think most people use the interim releases. Not everyone needs the absolute stability of an LTS and for the most part the interim releases are at least "ok" | 18:57 |
| tim | hi, is it possible to install plasma-scriptengine-ruby on ubuntu 13.04? | 18:58 |
| bazhang | !find plasma-scriptengine-ruby | 18:58 |
| ubottu | Found: plasma-scriptengine-ruby | 18:58 |
| bazhang | tim, it appears so ^ | 18:59 |
| tim | bazhang: well, apt-get is not able to locate package plasma-scriptengine-ruby | 18:59 |
| bazhang | tim try updating your sources.list then | 19:01 |
| tim | bazhang: with what? | 19:01 |
| bazhang | sudo apt-get update | 19:01 |
| bazhang | make sure all the necessary repos are enabled | 19:02 |
| tim | bazhang: that was my question ... | 19:02 |
| bazhang | !info plasma-scriptengine-ruby | 19:02 |
| ubottu | plasma-scriptengine-ruby (source: kde-workspace): Ruby script engine for Plasma. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.1b-0ubuntu5 (raring), package size 20 kB, installed size 209 kB | 19:02 |
| bazhang | tim and I just gave you the answer... | 19:02 |
| tim | ah | 19:02 |
| tim | hm interesting | 19:02 |
| bazhang | np | 19:03 |
| tim | ah, the distribution upgrade failed on one of my machines, remove too many repos ... had some other issues before | 19:04 |
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| sary | Salutations! | 20:51 |
| sary | micahg,Hi .. you there! | 20:52 |
| micahg | sary: yes? | 21:22 |
| hays | so should i upgrade to the beta for fun? :) | 22:03 |
| bazhang | depends if your idea of fun includes bug fixing | 22:10 |
| hays | hmm,, well it can | 23:15 |
| hays | depending on the bug :) | 23:15 |
| Bauer | hmm after 13.04 hits final, will it become an LTS? | 23:22 |
| Bauer | rebooting, brb | 23:25 |
| tyrog | Bauer: 12.04 is the current LTS. 14.04 is the next one. 13.04 will only have 9 months support | 23:29 |
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| Bauer | tyrog: I see, thanks | 23:32 |
| gilly345 | I feel like an apple fanboy. I'm waiting for the Final Beta release of raring :-) periodically checking for the .iso to appear. | 23:50 |
| penguin42 | hey just install and upgrade | 23:52 |
| ironhalik | gilly345: it's almost like standing in line at some apple store ;> | 23:54 |
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