[00:32] hi is gnome-panel still present in 13.04 ? === Jikai is now known as Jikan [01:08] no === Jikan is now known as Jikai === Jikai is now known as Jikan [01:27] I just installed raring last week and yesterday added the network-manager-openvpn package. It's able to connect to all my VPN servers that are on 12.04 but my 1 server on 10.04 fails. Any ideas? === Jikan is now known as Jikai === Jikai is now known as Jikan [02:21] final beta tomorrow? exciting [02:43] what is the support time for 13.04? [03:45] What day is it? When should I expect the beta to be released? :> === ironhalik_ is now known as ironhalik [04:02] 25th [04:02] oh, you'r enot talking about the final release [04:02] final beta release april 4 [04:03] I'm just wondering how it works with timezones and stuff [04:03] I'm planning on reinstalling raring on one of my machines, and would prefer the beta image instead of the daily ones [04:05] in my experience it is not released at an exact predictable moment [04:06] in other words, it will not be april 4, 12:00 gmt exactly or something [04:06] in a general sense it will be april 4 [04:12] I guess I'll have to be patient :> [04:32] ironhalik: There are not major differences between daily from today and beta, if any at all [04:33] I kinda know, but there's always lots of updated packages after a milestone is hit [04:34] ironhalik: you are waiting for the Ubuntu image, with the unity desktop? [04:36] yup, the default amd64 one [04:37] ironhalik: Im using the daily from today, it installed just fine. Also Unity is very snappy, and haven't found major problems yet :) [04:37] I guess if the beta wont be out after I come back from work, I'll got with the daily [04:39] There are no fixed hours for Ubuntu releases. They release it when they announce it. I think they released Ubuntu 10.10 at 10/10/2010 at 10:10:10 o'clock, but that was an exception xD === elky` is now known as elky [04:39] ;D === gac_ is now known as gac === nyuszika1 is now known as nyuszika7h [07:35] can someone test the gnubuntu and xubuntu raring beta 2 iso's, they release tomorrow and need testing [07:51] Noskcaj: it might help if you provide a link, where people can find those iso's to test [07:52] dmatt, i was more aiming at current tests, but i'll get it now [07:52] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds [08:50] can it really be true that maven3 isn't in the apt repositories? [08:57] Hi! I've just installed Ubuntu 13.04; on top of it I've installed kde-full, then kubuntu-desktop. Problem is when logging in, I don't get a kde session, just the wallpaper from kdm. Any ideas? [09:16] tibi, make sure that you selected KDE as the session in KDM [09:16] there should be a menu somewhere if I recall correctly [09:28] On http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ -- " Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine." -- does this mean Ubuntu is going back to CD media? [11:14] hello guys, does anybody know when we can expect Mesa 9.1.1 in raring? [12:38] Hiyas all [13:31] anyone having problems with installing libopencv-dev? [13:31] it seems that some dependencies aren't available [13:38] Atlantic777, be more specific === Jikan is now known as Jikai === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh === SoulOfTheInterne is now known as ToBeFree [15:10] hello, when will be 13.04 Beta released? [15:12] jpozlovsky, within 3 hours I think [15:13] smartboyhw, ok thanks for info! [15:25] sorry if I sound like a moron, but has 13.04 been in alpha this whole time I've been running it? [15:26] oh, it was beta, just not final beta. [15:28] I have noticed in 13.04 that when scrolling the mouse in the unity launcher, instead of scrolling the icons, the application on which the cursor is pointing gains focus. is this a bug? [15:38] minas, probly a "feature" :) [15:38] Anybody running 13.04 with Gnome 3.8? [15:39] BluesKaj, feature?? How am I going to scroll now? [15:39] minas, I was being sarcastic ..I have no idea how [15:39] I know :) [15:40] I hope it's a bug that will get fixed soon [15:47] sooooo nobody on 3.8? [16:13] roasted, running 3.8.0-16 here [16:16] Hi guys, I'm using ubuntu 13.04, after a shutdown it suddenly started not recognizing any network device :( It's not present in lspci, lshw and dmesg output. [16:28] BluesKaj: I meant Gnome 3.8 :/ [16:29] zerick, ifconfig ? [16:29] BluesKaj: Just input lo interface [16:31] zerick, which network devices then ? [16:32] BluesKaj: It used to be present an eth0 [16:34] BluesKaj: I just install some packages (nothing related to kernel o modules) and then this machine failed with net interfaces [16:35] BluesKaj: Actually I have in total six machines, two of them have this problem with the nic [16:35] BluesKaj: the other ones are working, at the moment, fine [16:35] zerick, are you using network manager? [16:35] BluesKaj: No [16:35] BluesKaj: I installed ubuntu server [16:36] ok [16:36] any idea? [16:41] did you try sudo dhclient eth0 [16:42] zerick,^ [16:47] BluesKaj: it's using static address, but what is strange for me is that seems not to be present physically [16:48] can you see the network devices in the file manager places or network , zerick ? [16:49] zerick, your /etc/network/interfaces file shouldn't reflect any changes , but /etc/resolv.conf might ..are you aware that /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten by /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base , and the nameservers etc should be entered there now ? [16:50] I have to go for a few mins...BBL [17:03] ok back again [17:09] roasted, 3.8 isn't available except in a ppa [17:09] and it's got a bunch of problems [17:10] Yeah - I'm using the Gnome3 PPA. [17:13] is it buggy? [17:14] there's no other incentive for me to use raring. i've been using gnome 3.6 for 6 months already, and i use gnome-shell, so there wouldn't be any change [17:14] there would be a kernel upgrade, but without any performance improvements [17:17] BluesKaj, well, I set IP configuration manually (I have no desktop installed) and as I said first, when I run lspci, lshw or dmesg any info about the eth0 or Ethernet is present, when in the past it WAS present. [17:18] zerick, use nano to edit files in ubuntu server terminal [17:19] BluesKaj: My config is ok, the mii-tool doesn't detect my NIC [17:20] zerick, not familiar with mii-tool [17:20] BluesKaj: it displays NIC's link status [17:20] does ifconfig show anything like an IP gatewat etc [17:20] gateway [17:20] BluesKaj: it is blinking (and was working) [17:21] BluesKaj: Yeah, of course, all my network config is static [17:21] BluesKaj: i'm not using dhcp [17:22] zerick, did , sudo dhclient eth0 , show any output ? === Jikai is now known as Jikan [17:22] zerick, yes I'm static behind the router as well [17:23] BluesKaj: When I do ifup it outputs: Cannot find device 'eth0' Failed to bring up eth0 [17:24] yes zerick , but what does dhclient do ? [17:24] BluesKaj: up to this point, my problem is with the NIC, not the config, even if I run dhclient, it will not work since there is no link [17:25] dhclient is supposed to link it [17:26] dhclient eth0 > cannot find device "eth0" [17:26] BluesKaj [17:26] sudo ifconfig eth0 up [17:26] zerick,^ [17:27] zerick, can't bring up eth0 i'd say you don't have a working driver for your lan chip [17:27] bjsnider: my conclusion too, but, I didn't install nothing that could erase them [17:27] is loopback there? [17:28] bjsnider: it was a fresh install [17:28] ifconfig -- doe sit show loopback? [17:28] bjsnider: used the generic (or default) drivers and was working fine [17:28] bjsnider: yes, it shows [17:28] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [17:28] try pinging it [17:29] bjsnider: it responses [17:29] \check dmesg for relevant messages [17:29] bjsnider: There's no related message por Ethernet [17:29] *messages [17:30] what lan chip is it? [17:30] bjsnider: its a VIA one [17:30] bjsnider: I don't remember the number [17:30] oh, that's good [17:30] i was worried it might have poor support in linux [17:30] *rolls eyes* [17:30] bjsnider: it has dissapeared from lspci [17:31] bjsnider: lol :) yeah, that's very strange [17:31] not in lspci, check the bios to see if it's enabled [17:31] bjsnider: it has good support [17:32] if it's not in lspci it's dead or not getting electricity [17:32] ie. disabled in bios [17:32] bjsnider: I will run a live cd right now, to check whether is the NIC [17:32] lspci | grep VIA [17:33] everything will be via [17:33] probably a via chipset [17:33] Yes [17:33] Everything [17:33] (use intel) [17:33] whoops, didn't say that [17:33] does cases better grepping Ethernet [17:33] yeah probly just your firewire and soundcard if applicable [17:34] bjsnider: Anyway, thanks [17:34] :) [17:36] zerick, did you try , sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [17:36] won't work [17:36] BluesKaj: Man, as I said, my problem is not config is the network card [17:36] problem is the lan chip is not seen by the kernel [17:36] it might wake it up [17:37] BluesKaj: it won't [17:37] BluesKaj: But thanks for your time [17:37] lower level than a linux service [17:37] ok , if you you won't , fine [17:39] bjsnider, he's running ubuntu server btw , it's not an ordinary desktop install [17:39] doesn't matter [17:39] this problem is much lower down the stack than that [17:39] this is a problem that is actually below the operating system [17:40] what could delete the nic , if it was running fine previously without any updates or upgrades [17:41] i suppose it got turned off in the bios [17:41] that would stop the board from sending an electric current to it [17:42] how could it be turned off in the bios if he just rebooted [17:42] i dunno [17:42] makes no sense unless it failed completely [17:42] it could have [17:44] bjsnider: live cd not detecting, I think they (because there are two NIC's) dead [17:44] ouch [17:44] is ther a green light on the back of the board where the rj45 ports are? [17:46] yes [17:46] they are blinking [17:46] a conflict maybe [17:47] they're blinking and they're green, not yellow? [17:48] this one has only yellow color [17:48] and orange [17:48] well, that indicates a problem i believe [17:48] so that also suggests bad hardware [17:50] yellow/orange = no connection [17:51] well, but, never was a green one [17:52] if you say so [17:54] 3 more weeks!! [18:13] Hello! Will there be an official beta for 13.04? I see it's scheduled for April 4th, however there are only daily builds [18:13] !schedule [18:13] Raring Ringtail (13.04) release milestones can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule [18:15] luciano, heard a rumour , the beta might available today , dunno exactly when or if it's even true [18:16] the alphas and betas don't always appear at exact predictable times [18:16] repeating what i said in here last night [18:16] should keep that in the clipboard i guess [18:20] Hello. Beta is scheduled for today right? thanks [18:20] will there be any real changes from the what i have loaded now from the daily? [18:21] johnjohn101: Nothing. If you keep the daily updated, you already have the beta [18:22] it's a pretty solid release so far. I'm running on vmware player and have no real issues. still running 12.04 on home desktop and it's so stable, that it's tough to upgrade [18:23] johnjohn101: I agree. This is one of the best Ubuntu betas I have ever tried. Haven't found flaws yet and is much faster than 12.10, that was a poor release imo [18:26] 12.10 with KDE was just fine here [18:27] BluesKaj: Right. I really wanted to mention the Unity version. KDE in 12.10 was fine. But in 13.04 it is even better too [18:27] 12.10 wasn't enough of a change for me to move off of 12.04. still a decent release [18:27] kubuntu 13.04 is quite stable now too , even with the kde 4.10,2 rc [18:28] i'm using kde for the first time in a long time but still prefer unity in a lot of ways [18:29] The fact is that with KDE you should be able to create a Unity-like environment, or anything you want to. With unity you are mostly stuck with what they give you. Still I like unity too [18:30] some ppl get hooked on the brown-orange and earth tones :) [18:30] ofunity/gnome [18:31] i miss the old 9.04 tones [18:31] makes them feel all warm and fuzzy [18:31] I think Unity provides a good out of the box experience, and is an interface that doesn't get in the way. I think it suits most users tastes and is also easy to work with, that's why it is the default [18:32] BluesKaj: you have to admit that default KDE looks very bland in comparison to either Gnome shell or unity [18:32] Only the icons are better than gnome's [18:32] didn't like unity from the start ..went back to kde after 2 weeks ...more used to the way things work on kde [18:33] johnjohn101: 12.04 seems to be better each day. I can't make up my mind as well. Is 13.04 going to be a rolling release after 25th April? [18:33] i tried going back to the old gnome 2 desktop and unity is MUCH better [18:34] BluesKaj: If you were used to KDE and know how to fine-tune it to the maximum there might be no competition on the desktop for it xD [18:35] tyrog, yeah , it's more familiar to old windows guys like I used to be before I started with linux [18:36] zerick, green means connected, and amber is the traffic [18:36] Me two, and most people :) . I found the Unity interface weird in the beginning too. [18:37] johnjohn101: GTK3 looks better, there is no doubt on that. And if you enjoy the Dash, then unity is definitely for you [18:40] dash is the best [18:40] tyrog, will be interesting when unity moves to QT [18:41] i hope it looks exactly the same [18:41] yes. And with Mir, graphics drivers may stabilize forever xD [18:41] I don't. I hope it looks even better [18:41] i wonder if Mir is coming to 13.10? or will wait until 14.04 [18:42] Hard to guess at the moment [18:43] I don't know if I will be following the proposed rolling release after 13.04 [18:44] Or keep with 13.04 and upgrade. This should be an advantageous path in terms of stability vs. the rolling release model [18:48] rolling release just seems like there are too many possibilities to get everything out of sync [18:49] there is no rolling release being followed for Ubuntu. [18:50] the support durations have been changed to 9 months for non-lts releases. [18:50] that is all that has changed. [18:51] 9 months is not that much time [18:52] IdleOne: If they can provide me with development releases as good as Raring, then fine by me xD [18:52] johnjohn101: if you need/want a longer supported version there is still LTS releases which will continue to have 5 years of support. [18:53] I think Ubuntu should give more attention to the LTS after it is released. Provide more updated packages in the main repositories, so we do not depend very much on PPAs [18:53] But yeah, 12.04 LTS is also awesome, just like 13.04 is. Hard to decide which one I will be using the most xD [18:57] IdleOne: I read many commentaries suggesting LTS releases for most people. Still, I think most people use the interim releases. Not everyone needs the absolute stability of an LTS and for the most part the interim releases are at least "ok" [18:58] hi, is it possible to install plasma-scriptengine-ruby on ubuntu 13.04? [18:58] !find plasma-scriptengine-ruby [18:58] Found: plasma-scriptengine-ruby [18:59] tim, it appears so ^ [18:59] bazhang: well, apt-get is not able to locate package plasma-scriptengine-ruby [19:01] tim try updating your sources.list then [19:01] bazhang: with what? [19:01] sudo apt-get update [19:02] make sure all the necessary repos are enabled [19:02] bazhang: that was my question ... [19:02] !info plasma-scriptengine-ruby [19:02] plasma-scriptengine-ruby (source: kde-workspace): Ruby script engine for Plasma. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.1b-0ubuntu5 (raring), package size 20 kB, installed size 209 kB [19:02] tim and I just gave you the answer... [19:02] ah [19:02] hm interesting [19:03] np [19:04] ah, the distribution upgrade failed on one of my machines, remove too many repos ... had some other issues before === azend is now known as unrobo === unrobo is now known as azend [20:51] Salutations! [20:52] micahg,Hi .. you there! [21:22] sary: yes? [22:03] so should i upgrade to the beta for fun? :) [22:10] depends if your idea of fun includes bug fixing [23:15] hmm,, well it can [23:15] depending on the bug :) [23:22] hmm after 13.04 hits final, will it become an LTS? [23:25] rebooting, brb [23:29] Bauer: 12.04 is the current LTS. 14.04 is the next one. 13.04 will only have 9 months support === roasted_ is now known as roasted [23:32] tyrog: I see, thanks [23:50] I feel like an apple fanboy. I'm waiting for the Final Beta release of raring :-) periodically checking for the .iso to appear. [23:52] hey just install and upgrade [23:54] gilly345: it's almost like standing in line at some apple store ;>